Re: Scrolling stack windows?

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi John,

Group all objects and set the rect of this new group to the rect of  
the card (you may need to make adjustemnts if you have a menubar). Set  
the hScrollba, vScrollbar and the lockLoc of the group to true. Now  
you have something that's very close to a scrolling window.


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On 8 okt 2008, at 03:36, John Tregea wrote:


Hello again fellow Revolutionaries : )

I have built an interface where users can keep on adding new layers of
information down a stack window by clicking a button at the bottom  
of the
bottom most layer (the button clones the last group and re-populates  
the

fields to suit the new context).

Because the users frequently want to display 6 or 7 layers one below  
the

other they quickly run out of screen space.

I believe there are no scrollbars that I can turn on in the stack  
window

like I can on a text field? I hope I am wrong? But if I am correct can
anyone point me to examples of scrollbars being used to scroll  
multiple

groups within a window?

Regards

John Tregea


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Re: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live

2008-10-08 Thread Geoff Canyon


On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

I don't use Geoff plugin but I assume that you'll find a 'save this  
stack' somewhere in Geoff code when closing or quitting.
Checking last modified file date will probably confirm that the  
stack auto saves.


The troll comes out from under the bridge...

Yes, Navigator auto-saves when it closes. In my defense, when I wrote  
that there was no such thing as a legacy format, and (if I remember  
correctly) I wanted to avoid having a preferences file.


As others have suggested, locking messages, saving Navigator in the  
old format and quitting all in one command should do the trick. So  
would re-downloading it, since I think all versions on my site are old- 
format. Not sure about that though.


Heading back under the bridge now.
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Re: VISTA Printing Woes

2008-10-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
You are right.  There is a world of complexity out there.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:08 AM, John Tregea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This email made me laugh. It is a perfect example of why Revolution is such
 a brave and difficult product to deliver. Vista, printer brands, trays of
 paper and oh yes, Japanese :)

 Not laughing at the problem Nicolas, just the amazing complexity of the
 environment and the seemingly endless number of things we can all think of
 to do with it...

 Sorry I can't answer the question, if only the OS was speaking Mandarin?

 John



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas
 Cueto
 Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:47 PM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: VISTA Printing Woes

 Hello,

 A 2.9-built standalone's printing function suddenly no
 longer works -- kind of.

 Looking thru the archives, a likely culprit is Vista.

 Anyway. I say kind of, cause I did finally manage
 to get a print-out when I over-rode my printer's
 automatic paper-tray selection option and, instead,
 manually selected front-loading tray. And only the
 frond-loading tray option words; none of the other
 three in-built trays works when selected.

 The (Ipsio) printer is on a network, and MS-Office
 applications (Word, Excel) have no problems
 printing. Oh, and I'm on a Japanese version of
 Vista.

 By the way. The problem also occurs with the Rev
 development environment.

 Hopefully, someone has more info on this problem.
 But I'm posting mostly to offer a possible work-around.

 Cheers,

 Nicolas Cueto
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RE: Scrolling stack windows?

2008-10-08 Thread John Tregea
Great news. Thanks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chipp Walters
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 8:32 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scrolling stack windows?

copy button 1 to group 1

It works.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:08 AM, John Tregea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can
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Re: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live

2008-10-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
The Troll wrote my only must-have utility for Rev.  I love it.  (If I ever
continue working with Rev on Linux I think the stsmlxEditor will be my other
must-have utility).

I did get round the problem with the stackfileversion, but it took several
hours to find out what was going wrong.  It wasn't your fault.  It's a bug
in the Rev preferences.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

  I don't use Geoff plugin but I assume that you'll find a 'save this stack'
 somewhere in Geoff code when closing or quitting.
 Checking last modified file date will probably confirm that the stack auto
 saves.


 The troll comes out from under the bridge...

 Yes, Navigator auto-saves when it closes. In my defense, when I wrote that
 there was no such thing as a legacy format, and (if I remember correctly) I
 wanted to avoid having a preferences file.

 As others have suggested, locking messages, saving Navigator in the old
 format and quitting all in one command should do the trick. So would
 re-downloading it, since I think all versions on my site are old-format. Not
 sure about that though.

 Heading back under the bridge now.

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RE: Scrolling stack windows?

2008-10-08 Thread John Tregea
Dear Mark,

Thanks for that. I think I would have to ungroup the existing top level
group then select whatever number of clones groups the user is displaying
and regroup them. Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can
copy into a card?

Thanks and regards

John

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark
Schonewille
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 6:32 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Scrolling stack windows?

Hi John,

Group all objects and set the rect of this new group to the rect of  
the card (you may need to make adjustemnts if you have a menubar). Set  
the hScrollba, vScrollbar and the lockLoc of the group to true. Now  
you have something that's very close to a scrolling window.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/

Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See
http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html 
  for more info.

On 8 okt 2008, at 03:36, John Tregea wrote:

 Hello again fellow Revolutionaries : )

 I have built an interface where users can keep on adding new layers of
 information down a stack window by clicking a button at the bottom  
 of the
 bottom most layer (the button clones the last group and re-populates  
 the
 fields to suit the new context).

 Because the users frequently want to display 6 or 7 layers one below  
 the
 other they quickly run out of screen space.

 I believe there are no scrollbars that I can turn on in the stack  
 window
 like I can on a text field? I hope I am wrong? But if I am correct can
 anyone point me to examples of scrollbars being used to scroll  
 multiple
 groups within a window?

 Regards

 John Tregea

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Re: Scrolling stack windows?

2008-10-08 Thread Chipp Walters
copy button 1 to group 1

It works.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:08 AM, John Tregea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can
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Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client

2008-10-08 Thread Mikey
Charles,
If someone else doesn't chime in here shortly, search the group
archive for SMTP library.

I'm up to my chair in alligators today, so I'm going to be
more-or-less offline until next week.
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RE: VISTA Printing Woes

2008-10-08 Thread John Tregea
This email made me laugh. It is a perfect example of why Revolution is such
a brave and difficult product to deliver. Vista, printer brands, trays of
paper and oh yes, Japanese :)

Not laughing at the problem Nicolas, just the amazing complexity of the
environment and the seemingly endless number of things we can all think of
to do with it...

Sorry I can't answer the question, if only the OS was speaking Mandarin?

John



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cueto
Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:47 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: VISTA Printing Woes

Hello,

A 2.9-built standalone's printing function suddenly no
longer works -- kind of.

Looking thru the archives, a likely culprit is Vista.

Anyway. I say kind of, cause I did finally manage
to get a print-out when I over-rode my printer's
automatic paper-tray selection option and, instead,
manually selected front-loading tray. And only the
frond-loading tray option words; none of the other
three in-built trays works when selected.

The (Ipsio) printer is on a network, and MS-Office
applications (Word, Excel) have no problems
printing. Oh, and I'm on a Japanese version of
Vista.

By the way. The problem also occurs with the Rev
development environment.

Hopefully, someone has more info on this problem.
But I'm posting mostly to offer a possible work-around.

Cheers,

Nicolas Cueto
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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Ken Ray

 Thanks Chipp.  That's a nice compliment coming from the guy who's built
 probably 3 times as many demos and tools!  I'm quite grateful for the
 contributions that you, Eric Chatonet, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Shao Sean,
 and many others have made.  That's how we all learn (at least I do) so I'm
 glad to contribute a few things where I can.

I agree 100%, Scott... plus the best part (IMHO) is that each person who
contributes does so from a different background so you get to see not only
different ways to solve a specific problem, but it also can cause one to
make the next intuitive leap to add on to what's been contributed.

Oh, BTW I also love the site... I saw a bunch of stuff I hadn't realized
you'd done and spent an hour or so cruising...

:-)


Great work!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC?

2008-10-08 Thread Ken Ray


 You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS
 X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run
 well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the
 suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in
 whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else
 here still has it. You could try a Google on vMac on a stick.) Ken Ray
 has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe
 he'll chime in with that link.

Here you go:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re-2: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client

2008-10-08 Thread runrev260805
Hi Charles,


look at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm for altEmailHarness

or download it directly here

http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altEmailHarness.rev

This stack helped me to understand how the smtp library from Shao Sean works.

I am using the smtp library quite often in my stacks. But be aware, that 
sending attachments is not directly supported.

Regards,

Matthias


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client (08-Okt-2008 
0:40)
From:Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
 Mikey-3
 
 
 No, I have no experience with the SMTP library! Are there any tutorials or
 sample stacks that illustrate the use of the SMTP library?
 
 
 Mikey-3 wrote:
  
  Are you aware of the SMTP library?  That would be the way you would
  normally send email from RR without getting anything else involved.
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problems building a rev-valentina standalone on mac

2008-10-08 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello,

I just switched from SQLite to Valentina and got it to run so far and fast
in my Win XP DIE, but now I am struggeling with building the Mac standalone.
I followed all Valentina docs, with running the deployment script etc, what
seems to work fine, but my standalone on Mac doesn't find Valentina. At
least VDatabase_Constructor() returns empty, without any error message.
Ruslan told me that I have to get the v4rev.bundle in my app externals
folder, but there isn't this bundle and I don't know how to get such a
bundle in my app bundle. Actually I have done two things in my rev stack:

1. added the following to the external references property of the stack:

V4Rev_2\V4Rev_win.dll

V4Rev_2/V4Rev_Macho

 

2. Standalone app settings: Select inclusions for the standalone app:

- Script Libraries: Database and Valentina2 (no Valentina3 available)

- Database Support: Valentina2 (no Valentina3 available)

 

What am I missing? Anybody with Valentina experience can help me starting?

Thanks Tiemo

 

 

 

 

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Jim Ault
On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Recently, Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not
 spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,
 
 Nah, that's OK.  I get it -- she's right. :-)

Not exactly, Scott.  Your contributions and willingness to explore the
limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community
lively and worth-while.  Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge
will also have some commercial side.

If you were merely saying come see my business, that to me is spamming.
In this case, you have been a strong contributor for years and so much of
what you have done is a professional level tutorial, available as a free
download, and you will answer any questions on the list.

I have not only learned from your free collection of stacks, I have set the
bar far higher for my output to my clients.  When I incorporate the graphic
ideas you demonstrate (like Get In Line, Ball Clock, WindowLab, Weather),
everyone is quite impressed and sees my software as more professional.  I
feel so good about making a Rev product look polished and professional and
modern.  By following your lead, I am a better programmer.

Your examples have are quite welcome and like all of us, we would host them
on some part of our existing web sites.  Of course, not everything you do is
free and directly related to Rev, but your download section is inspirational
and priceless.

If you kept your work a secret it would be a loss to the Rev community.
So if you are not going to post here, put me on your announcement email
list.  The same goes for Eric, Chipp, Ken, Jacque, Devin, Andre, Alex,
Wilhelm, Mark, and so many others.  I want to be connected to what is
happening with our community members, and it seems that this use-list is the
only efficient way of making that happen.

Thanks!

Perhaps   [ANN-OT]   would be an acceptable compromise.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


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List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread Michael
Hi:

I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all possible
messages that can be sent in Rev?

Thanks,

m

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Andre Garzia
Err Folks,

I don't think it was really OT... I really liked the announcement.
Scott is one of the most briliant guys here and the fact that he
reworked his site and is providing free things for us, is enough for
sending an email.

We were never a explicity Revolution-Topic-Only group... anyone tired
of receiving emails should change to digest or switch to web based
interface.

Scott congratulations again on your business and tools! I just spent
couple hours looking thru your stacks... Swarms are so cool!

Andre

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Mark Schonewille
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think it
 would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic. Just start
 the announcement stating that the location for free Rev-related downloads
 has changed and make the design change a side-note.

 Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly
 off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a
 regular basis to this list.

 --
 Best regards,

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 On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote:

 On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Recently, Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not
 spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,

 Nah, that's OK.  I get it -- she's right. :-)

 Not exactly, Scott.  Your contributions and willingness to explore the
 limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community
 lively and worth-while.  Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge
 will also have some commercial side.

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Trevor DeVore

On Oct 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I  
think it would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on- 
topic. Just start the announcement stating that the location for  
free Rev-related downloads has changed and make the design change a  
side-note.


Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the updates  
to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic.


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Re: List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Michael,

Try this in the message box:

put the commandNames  cr  the functionNames  cr  the propertyNames

It might also be interesting for you to search the dictionary for  
names. You will see that there are also driverNames, constantNames  
etc.


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On 8 okt 2008, at 20:45, Michael wrote:


Hi:

I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all  
possible

messages that can be sent in Rev?

Thanks,

m

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Eric Chatonet

Bonsoir Scott,

I can't stay without replying to all messages I have seen about your  
post:

First your new website just 'says ' what you are able: kudos.
I would be so glad to master graphics as you do.
Second, I would like to know, among all who replied with some against  
feeling, how many have contributed freely to the community as you did.

No more to say.

Le 7 oct. 08 à 21:10, Scott Rossi a écrit :


Hello Revolutionaries:

Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile  
Media's Web
site (www.tactilemedia.com).  The site update is not as important  
as a new
Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section  
of the
site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with  
thumbnail

previews.

As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have  
been
rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and  
flexible for
use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list  
reordering demo

can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to
operate).  There are really too many updates to list here.  Stacks  
are still
being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run  
into some

issues -- just let us know.

In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing.  Have fun, and  
keep up

the revolution...

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread Chris Sheffield
If you're using Rev 3.0, you can also simply open the Dictionary, then  
under the Language disclosure on the left, select Message. :-)


On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Michael,

Try this in the message box:

put the commandNames  cr  the functionNames  cr  the propertyNames

It might also be interesting for you to search the dictionary for  
names. You will see that there are also driverNames, constantNames  
etc.


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On 8 okt 2008, at 20:45, Michael wrote:


Hi:

I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all  
possible

messages that can be sent in Rev?

Thanks,

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Schonewille
Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think  
it would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic.  
Just start the announcement stating that the location for free Rev- 
related downloads has changed and make the design change a side-note.


Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental  
slightly off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire  
newsletter on a regular basis to this list.


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On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote:


On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Recently, Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back  
about not

spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,


Nah, that's OK.  I get it -- she's right. :-)


Not exactly, Scott.  Your contributions and willingness to explore the
limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this  
community
lively and worth-while.  Many who are accomplished and at the  
leading edge

will also have some commercial side.


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Re: List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread J. Landman Gay

Michael wrote:

Hi:

I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all possible
messages that can be sent in Rev?


A couple of ways, but one easy way is to open the dictionary, make sure 
the All category is selected on the left, and then click the Type 
column to aphabetize the list (you may need to click twice to arrange 
the sort order to ascending.) Commmands should now be first in the 
list, just scroll through to read them.


Rev also has a function the commandnames which you can execute to get 
a list, which you can place in a field.


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Re: List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread J. Landman Gay

Chris Sheffield wrote:
If you're using Rev 3.0, you can also simply open the Dictionary, then 
under the Language disclosure on the left, select Message. :-)


Urf. That's even easier than my way -- thanks. :)

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RE: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 I don't think it was really OT... I really liked the announcement.
 Scott is one of the most briliant guys here and the fact that 
 he reworked his site and is providing free things for us, is 
 enough for sending an email.
 
 We were never a explicity Revolution-Topic-Only group... 
 anyone tired of receiving emails should change to digest or 
 switch to web based interface.
 
 Scott congratulations again on your business and tools! I 
 just spent couple hours looking thru your stacks... Swarms 
 are so cool!

Absolutely agree. Scott provides valuable resources to the Revolution
community. The community of active Revolution users is relatively small, and
this list is the place the community goes to - so that makes it the
Revolution community list. It is in the best interest of those who have made
an investment in Runtime Revolution development for the active user base to
thrive.

The Revolution forums were set up explicitly so that anyone who wanted to
limit exposure to a particular topic can drill down to a sub-forum that
interests them. That is another method other the methods Andre suggests.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
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Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread SteveTheWhelk

Hi Scott,

Absolutely fantastic work. Some of the effects are very clever indeed and
rather thought provoking! I wonder what else we can make Rev do. :o)

Steve



Scott Rossi wrote:
 
 Hello Revolutionaries:
 
 Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile Media's Web
 site (www.tactilemedia.com).  The site update is not as important as a new
 Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section of the
 site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with thumbnail
 previews.  
 
 As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have been
 rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and flexible
 for
 use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list reordering
 demo
 can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to
 operate).  There are really too many updates to list here.  Stacks are
 still
 being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run into some
 issues -- just let us know.
 
 In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing.  Have fun, and keep
 up
 the revolution...
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director
 Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
 
 
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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Chipp Walters
Mark Schonewille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously.
 Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly
 off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a
 regular basis to this list.

Years ago, before you were around, back when we started RevCon, Dan
Shafer and I regularly posted here an announcement and link to our own
Rev newsletter here on this list. It typically had some tips, and
information on the upcoming conferences, along with some advertising
for Rev products, some sold by folks like Ken, Scott, Jerry, Dan or
Altuit.

At that time we never, not once, heard a complaint regarding spamming
of this list. I am sorry for you if such emails upset you. You may
wish to consider using an email filter to remove those posts you do
not like. Or perhaps visit the forums, where you can better police
such issues.

As Jim says, we are a community here. Please understand, over the
years, many of us have gotten to know each other personally and are
interested in such news as an updated website, or a new release of a
newsletter. BTW, Lynn was not posting an entire newsletter, just the
link to one.

Do we really have a SPAM issue on this list? Let's not create a
problem where one does not exist.
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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Marian Petrides, MD
Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the  
updates to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic.


I second Trevor's statement, quoted above.  Frankly, the best thing  
that came out of the complaint was the fact that the sheer number of  
responses attracted plenty of attention to the original post--which  
is, IMHO, a good thing.


Thanks for the original post, Scott!

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Martin Baxter
Chipp Walters wrote:
 Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back
 about not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,
 
 So much for friendly correspondence on this list. ;-)
 
 BTW, If you take another look, you'll find some excellent FREE Rev 
 demo stacks and tutorials on Scott's site. He's always been a champ
 at supporting Rev and this community--since before there even was a
 Rev! :-)
 

I see the wink Chipp, but what's unfriendly? My reading of Shao Sean's
comment was that it was her own post that she felt might be taken as non
Rev-related (since the post was about the use of flash for website
navigation, without a fallback for those who do not have the plugin).

Full quote was:

 Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about
 not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, I'd just like to
 point out that you should always have a non-Flash fallback for your
 navigation..

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Re: List of all possible messages?

2008-10-08 Thread Chipp Walters
I think he was looking for messages, not the entire dictionary. As
such, I'd recommend Chris Sheffield's approach, just open the
Dictionary and you can find them there.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Mark Schonewille
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 put the commandNames  cr  the functionNames  cr  the propertyNames
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Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client

2008-10-08 Thread Chipp Walters
Charles,

I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which
simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text
emails, it's called altEmailHarness  and you can check it out at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

best,
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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Schonewille

Trevor,

I think you should read my message again. I'm saying, although (for  
the sake of sheer logic) I can't disagree with Shao Sean, I also don't  
blame Scott for posting his message! If you quote, please quote all.


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On 8 okt 2008, at 20:54, Trevor DeVore wrote:


Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the updates  
to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic.


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strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters
(specifically, ascii 30 and 29).  This stack worked fine on the Windows and
Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but
everyone's tired of that story).  However, when I moved the stack over to OS
X (ppc), the application stopped working.  Upon investigation it turned out
that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218.

Is that to be expected?  Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm
puzzled by this.  I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between
platforms.  When copied by scp, the stacks were corrupted, but copied fine
by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on
OS X.

It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for
anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters.

Bernard
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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Stephen Barncard

did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script

set the itemdelimiter to 

or use numToChar()

I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some 
non-printing characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within 
quotes.



I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters
(specifically, ascii 30 and 29).  This stack worked fine on the Windows and
Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but
everyone's tired of that story).  However, when I moved the stack over to OS
X (ppc), the application stopped working.  Upon investigation it turned out
that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218.

Is that to be expected?  Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm
puzzled by this.  I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between
platforms.  When copied by scp, the stacks were corrupted, but copied fine
by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on
OS X.

It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for
anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters.

Bernard


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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Stephen Barncard

That should be numToChar(30)  --



did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script

set the itemdelimiter to 

or use numToChar()

I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some 
non-printing characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within 
quotes.


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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use
numToChar.  The place where they got changed was in actual text stored as
custom properties.

I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug.  I can understand if my
original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and isoToMac
might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Stephen Barncard 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script

 set the itemdelimiter to

 or use numToChar()

 I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some non-printing
 characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within quotes.



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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
Looks like it was bugzilla'd a few years ago:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3681

It's a pity it doesn't work as I'd kinda come to rely on those unused ascii
characters as delimiters.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use
 numToChar.  The place where they got changed was in actual text stored as
 custom properties.

 I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug.  I can understand if my
 original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and isoToMac
 might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127.

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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Judy Perry
I dunno, Mark, but I really don't see this as an example of Scott
hijacking RunRev's bandwidth to cut into their existing sales base in
that RunRev doesn't sell the same stuff that Scott sells.  Plus, there
is a wealth of free tutorials that are beneficial to Rev developers on
this list.

Plus, I seriously doubt that Scott is clearing $$$ on his
TM|Gauge/Color/Audioclips etc.; rather, it seems that he is recouping
some nominal value for a service to the development community.

No disrespect intended to you or Shao Sean though...

Judy

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Mark Schonewille
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think it
 would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic. Just start
 the announcement stating that the location for free Rev-related downloads
 has changed and make the design change a side-note.

 Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly
 off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a
 regular basis to this list.

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 On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote:

 On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Recently, Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not
 spamming the list with non-Rev related postings,

 Nah, that's OK.  I get it -- she's right. :-)

 Not exactly, Scott.  Your contributions and willingness to explore the
 limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community
 lively and worth-while.  Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge
 will also have some commercial side.

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Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client

2008-10-08 Thread Charles Szasz

Chipp

Thanks! Since I am doing attachments, your altEmailHarness sounds like just
what I need. Thanks again!



Chipp Walters wrote:
 
 Charles,
 
 I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which
 simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text
 emails, it's called altEmailHarness  and you can check it out at:
 
 http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
 
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Re: strange char translation from intel to ppc

2008-10-08 Thread Bob Sneidar
Are you sure this is a Rev bug? I seem to recall from the original  
post that the stack was transferred over ftp or some other internet  
file transfer. Did you try to zip it before sending it?


I know some forms of file transfers can corrupt a file when sent over  
the internet. It is far less prevalent than it used to be, but that is  
why encoding was originally used. Files were converted to internet  
friendly characters because internet routers were originally only  
designed to pass text based files.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:


Looks like it was bugzilla'd a few years ago:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3681

It's a pity it doesn't work as I'd kinda come to rely on those  
unused ascii

characters as delimiters.

Bernard

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I  
use
numToChar.  The place where they got changed was in actual text  
stored as

custom properties.

I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug.  I can understand  
if my
original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and  
isoToMac

might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127.

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Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client

2008-10-08 Thread Chipp Walters
Charles,

altEmailHarness won't do attachments. I only sends text messages.
Plus, you need to set it up with a valid SMTP server in order for it
to work.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Charles Szasz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Chipp

 Thanks! Since I am doing attachments, your altEmailHarness sounds like just
 what I need. Thanks again!



 Chipp Walters wrote:

 Charles,

 I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which
 simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text
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Re: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media

2008-10-08 Thread Thomas McGrath III
No problems here. Keep up the great work keeping this list active and  
informative. That's why I read it every day.


Tom McGrath


On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Do we really have a SPAM issue on this list? Let's not create a
problem where one does not exist.


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Re: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC?

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Srebnik
Thanks for your help, Ken!

on 10/8/08 7:27 AM, Ken Ray at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS
 X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run
 well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the
 suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in
 whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else
 here still has it. You could try a Google on vMac on a stick.) Ken Ray
 has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe
 he'll chime in with that link.
 
 Here you go:
 
 http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm
 
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Re: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC?

2008-10-08 Thread Mark Srebnik
Thanks for your help, Jacqueline!

Mark

on 10/7/08 8:59 AM, J. Landman Gay at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Srebnik wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 Would like to convert a HyperCard Stack to Rev if possible. However, from
 reading Jacqueline's excellent tutorial on this I see the following
 problems. 
 
 A) Since I use OSX on my MacBook at home, I don't have ability to run
 HyperCard; ie, no Classic anymore...
 
 B) Since I don't have HC to run and edit scripts before converting I can't
 
 1) comment out XCMD's and FCN's as noted in tutorial...
 
 2) edit script to change menu references..
 
 
 Given the above, wondering if there's any workaround in order to do
 conversion???
 
 Yes, though you can't do the (often required) compact stack part. You
 can click the Messages button in Rev's toolbar to turn off messages.
 This will eliminate any error reports while you go through the stack to
 remove the handlers that are incompatible.
 
 It is very important to compact the HC stack in HC before importing
 however. You may get lucky and things will run fine. But if you see
 missing cards, scrambled data, or incorrect images (aside from the alpha
 problem) then the stack needs compacting. On rare occasions an
 uncompacted stack may not even import at all.
 
 You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS
 X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run
 well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the
 suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in
 whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else
 here still has it. You could try a Google on vMac on a stick.) Ken Ray
 has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe
 he'll chime in with that link.
 
 -- 
 Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 HyperActive Software   | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


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Re: Why I didn't, and why I may, later.

2008-10-08 Thread Judy Perry
It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years
warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out!

Judy

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

 Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about being 
 excluded from 10.6.
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Is there an all-in-one CPU/Touchscreen/barcode reader device?

2008-10-08 Thread rgould8
I've seen lots of touchscreens with CPUs built into them, but I haven't yet 
found one that also has barcode reader build in.? Does anyone know if such an 
all-in-one device exists?? (Need a Windows solution)
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Email Client (Outlook Express) won't start after console error

2008-10-08 Thread Mark MacKenzie
Hello all.

After having a program error reported and then quitting the development IDE my 
Outlook Express won't start.  I seem to remember some years ago having a 
similar problem and there was a registry key for Outlook which had to be reset 
so that it wouldn't run in invisible messaging mode.

Can  someone point me to this correction please.  I have been searching for 
several days and can't find the right information.

Thank you in advance.


Mark MacKenzie
Art Conservator  Wet Plate Photographer
Alcalde, New Mexico

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