Check and close a program

[tareq tareq]

Hi everybody,
I'm to tryin' to find a way to stop a program or an
executable from the process tab of windows task
manager. Is there any simple way to do that by
scripting a btn? The executable may be rev app or
others. Thanks in advance...


  
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Re: High ASCII character translation code thingy

[paul foraker]

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Mark Schonewille <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> put uniencode(myXML,"UTF8") into myUnicodeString
> set the unicodeText of fld x to myUnicodeString
>
> You might use Rev's XML features to read the data.
>
> Thank you, Mark. That was the breakthrough I needed. On Jacque's
suggestion, I had tried to do something like that, but I misunderstood the
function. I used uniDecode(), thinking that the text was already encoded and
needed to be decoded. I was right, but wrong.  :)

I'm still curious about the D character (Ð) terminating the string in the
field and property, but I can live with it.

-- Paul
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[viktoras didziulis]

I say or point to "Revolution". If the client's mind is not brainwashed 
with "the only truth is C++" religion he usually accepts this fact 
without any fear of falling into an heresy :-). And today, when many 
programmers say "single language is never enough because there is no 
perfect language" I feel quite comfortable with Rev in my toolkit. You 
can also say that, according to the Tiobe index Revolution is among the 
first 150 languages (and there are thousands of other languages) used in 
business and industry and is assigned to the same group together with 
well known R, Mathematica and SPSS, AppleScript, PostScript, Oberon, 
VBScript and XSLT. Also they may be impressed by the fact that some 
software used in connection with Landsat 7 satellite is written in 
Revolution, and Revolution was also being used in European Community 6th 
framework projects.


all the best!
Viktoras

Jim Sims wrote:

When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
heard of that"  What do you tell them?

The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."


My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.

The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)

 I need to take advantage of this opportunity.

What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?

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My AntiVirus corrupts my gz file, was: need help for decompress URL

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,
after another day of research, deactivating my antivirus, deinstallation
various compressing tools and deinstalling various ftp programs with no
result I was thinking about my own words "who is fiddeling on my files in
the background" and came to the conclusion that it only can be the
antivirus. After deactivating the antivirus, the result was the same, I
deinstalled it completely and voila: My downloaded gz files are not any more
corrupted.
After a new install of the newest (other, as before) version of the
antivirus the corruption happens again. On another PC with the same
antivirus the error doesn't occur.
Now I am waiting for an answer of the antivirus support, if I can dump this
antivirus(had always top rankings) to buy another one

Thank you all for participating
Tiemo

> 
> Bonsoir Tiemo,
> 
> As I said earlier, have a look at all dlls in system32.
> There is one there that confuses Rev.
> 
> Le 29 nov. 08 à 15:25, Tiemo Hollmann TB a écrit :
> 

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Re: getting style information from text

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi James,

Parsing the htmlText property of your field is probably the quickest  
way. Find a font tag with style="bold" and then find the next   
tag, using offset.


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz
Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum

Color Converter has been updated! Get it at
http://colorconverter.economy-x-talk.com !

On 30 nov 2008, at 04:18, James Hale wrote:


Hi,

I want to process some styled text to set actions depending of the  
style of the text.


I have the text currently in a field and having placed it there by  
the following code snippet:


 set the RTFText of field "thetext" to the URL thepath

This works fine and places the styled text in the field.

I now want to go through this text, line by line, and depending on  
whether the line is bold or not and do one thing or another.


I can do this using another field "targettext" by placing the  
RTFText of each line in turn into this field and then checking the  
"textstyle" of the field's contents.


My question is, can I do this using a variable instead of this  
second field "targettext".


It seems that when I use a variable instead of the field, the actual  
text placed in the variable is the raw RTF and thus the "textsyle"  
property makes no sense.


So I guess I am asking if, in order to act on the style (bold or  
plain) of the text I wish to process, am I restricted to using  
fields as my containers.



James Hale


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Re: getting style information from text

[Mark Schonewille]

Ohh... I was too quick...

I mean find  and  :-)

--
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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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http://www.salery.biz
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On 30 nov 2008, at 04:18, James Hale wrote:


Hi,

I want to process some styled text to set actions depending of the  
style of the text.


I have the text currently in a field and having placed it there by  
the following code snippet:


 set the RTFText of field "thetext" to the URL thepath

This works fine and places the styled text in the field.

I now want to go through this text, line by line, and depending on  
whether the line is bold or not and do one thing or another.


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Re: answer file with more than one image type

[Bill Ziegler]

 Hi all,

I'm trying to limit the available user file choices to jpegs, tiffs,  
pngs, all at the same time.
I have tried both filters and types and searching the archives  
unsuccessfully.


This script works for all image types but only for the first set. i.e.  
tiffs
 answer file "Please Choose a PICTURE:" with type "tiff image|tif| 
tiff,jpeg images|jpg|JPEG,png images|png|PNG"


This will allow Jpegs.
 answer file "Please Choose a PICTURE:" with type "jpeg images|jpg| 
JPEG,png images|png|PNG,tiff image|tif|tiff"


Is there a way I can allow all three types?

I am using Studio 3.0 with Leopard.


Thanks,
Bill

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Re: answer file with more than one image type

[Thierry]

Le 30 nov. 08 à 16:33, Bill Ziegler a écrit :

I'm trying to limit the available user file choices to jpegs,  
tiffs, pngs, all at the same time.
I have tried both filters and types and searching the archives  
unsuccessfully.


Is there a way I can allow all three types?


Yep, do this:

answer file "Choose :" with type "tiff or jpeg or png |tif,jpg,png"

Regards,
Thierry



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Re: USB barcode scanner?

[Peter Alcibiades]

They are LED or Laser.  The difference is range and fragility.  The LED ones
have to be used much closer up to the code, like 6 inches, but they are very
robust.  The Laser ones can be used quite a distance away, but don't drop
them.  I prefer LED.  They will get dropped.

As others say, the 'wedge' ones act like a keyboard, and need no drivers. 
But, and it may not matter in your application, bear in mind that they send
the characters they read followed by either return or enter but not both. 
This has a couple of consequences.  If you allow keyboard entry of codes as
well, obviously you have to handle both enter and return.  Also I had some
timing problems.  I made caps D send mouseup to a Discount button. The user
wanted for the cashier to be able to either do discounts by just using the
reader, or alternatively, just using the mouse. Problem was that it sent
mouseup to the Discount button and then sometimes but not always then sent
return when the user was expected to first enter the amount of the
discount I fixed this by the brute force method of sending to an
invisible dummy button, waiting a fraction of a second, and then sending
mouseup on, so absorbing the enter. 

Sarah's little stack was very useful in decoding what exactly the reader was
sending.  If you want to handle some keypresses, this means that you know
exactly what is being sent and so you can harmonize the keyboard and the
reader.  

kbarcode, if you can run Linux apps, is a great free package for generating
bar codes and printing bar code labels.  Bear in mind that if you generate
labels in a word processor, like for a cash register laminated sheet, and
there are quite a few free bar code fonts out there that can be used for
this, you have to use start/stop characters, and these differ from Windows
to Linux, and I assume the Mac will be different as well.  Its * for Linux,
and if I recall correctly its ! in Windows. You can find yourself staring at
the thing in frustration wondering why the shop label codes work perfectly,
but the ones you have just made up do not.  This is probably why.

I found the really hard issue to be not so much this stuff, as the tradeoffs
you end up considering between convenience and security.  Very hard to
strike the balance.  You have to spend some time thinking like a thief and
craftily installing logs, and whatever you do you'll miss something. 
-- 
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Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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answer file with more than one image type

[Bill Ziegler]

Thanks! It works!
And to think I spent 3 hours checking the docs and experimenting.

One more question.
After I import an image and resize it down to be a button icon, does  
RunRev purge all the extra image data from the original and give the  
now imbedded picture a smaller size?


Bill
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Loading custom fonts

[Shari]

Not a question, but a solution.

Using revFontLoad to load a font you've stored in a folder and 
distributed with the app:


The issue is that if you are distributing the app to unknown users 
you will not have a full path file to the revFont.bundle or 
revFont.dll file when the app first launches if you distribute them 
as externals with your app.  Once you actually get the path and set 
the externals of the app it is too late and revFontLoad fails.  You 
get the error that it cannot find the revFontLoad handler.


I found a workaround that appears to work.  Tested on MacOSX 10.4.11. 
preOpenStack in the main stack calls the following handlers.  This is 
a cross-platform solution and both the MacOSX and Windows externals 
are distributed with each app.


on preOpenStack # of your main stack
  setPaths
  installStacks
  startUsing
  loadMyFonts
end preOpenStack

on setPaths
   global prefStack,fExternals,fFonts

  # it calculates the full paths to several stacks
  # and puts them into globals, prefStack is one of those
  # stacks and is located in a writeable place

  # fExternals is the full path to the folder you include
  # with the app that stores .bundle and .dll files, including
  # revFont.bundle and revFont.dll

  # fFonts is the full path to the folder where the fonts
  # are stored that I am including with the app

end setPaths

on installStacks
   # it installs prefStack to a writeable location
   # on the users computer if it is not already installed
end installStacks

on startUsing
  global fExternals,prefStack

  # load the externals
  if the platform is "MacOS" then
put fExternals & "revfont.bundle" into loadWhat
  else put fExternals & "revfont.dll" into loadWhat
  set the externals of stack prefStack to loadWhat
  save stack prefStack

  # you must close the stack and reopen it before
  # revFont becomes available to your handlers

  set the destroyWindowProperty of stack prefStack to true
  close stack prefStack
  start using stack prefStack
end startUsing

on loadMyFonts
  global fFonts
  put fFonts into fontList
  put fontList into tDir
  delete the last char of tDir # delete trailing /
  set the directory to tDir
  put the files into fileList
  filter fileList with "*.ttf" # delete all non-ttf-font files

  repeat for each line x in fileList
put fontList & x into theFont
revFontLoad theFont
  end repeat

  # set font heirarchy
  # in case a font doesn't load, I create a heirarchy of
  # first choice font, second choice, etc. then set the
  # main font of the stack(s) to whichever font actually exists,
  # so in the following example Baskerville is my first choice,
  # Rockwell is my second choice, etc.

  # Included in the heirarchy are several fonts that are
  # usually already installed in case my fonts do not load, last resorts

  # I use the name of the font as it appears in your standard
  # font menus, not the filename

  # Since fonts come in various standard sizes, the number
  # after the dash is the font size I want used if this font is
  # the one used so that things fit properly in my fields

  put "baskerville-20,rockwell-18,book antigua-18," into tit
  put "chalkboard bold-16,gill sans-20,trebuchet ms-18,tahoma-18," after tit
  put "arial-20,verdana-18" after tit

  set the wholeMatches to true
  # so that Trebuchet doesn't match Trebuchet MS
  repeat for each item x in tit
set the itemDel to "-"
if item 1 of x is among the lines of the fontNames then
  set the textFont of stack "myStack" to \
  item 1 of x
  set the textSize of stack "myStack" to \
  item 2 of x
  exit repeat
end if
set the itemDel to comma
  end repeat

  # This assumes that you do not have fonts set for the individual
  # fields in the stack, that the fields use the stack font and size

end loadMyFonts
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[GIRARD Damien]

I say Revolution for the GUI, and C/C++ externals for special features 
that Revolution does not have and that are required when working with 
embeded devices.
This can affraid some customers at the beggining, but after I shown the 
entire Dam-pro Toolkit + applications that we developped for another 
customers, they fully accept
the usage of Revolution. And they will even better accept Revolution if 
the Linux engine become usable and fast as the Windows engine. (Embeded 
= Linux).


All the best!
Damien

viktoras didziulis a écrit :


I say or point to "Revolution". If the client's mind is not 
brainwashed with "the only truth is C++" religion he usually accepts 
this fact without any fear of falling into an heresy :-). And today, 
when many programmers say "single language is never enough because 
there is no perfect language" I feel quite comfortable with Rev in my 
toolkit. You can also say that, according to the Tiobe index 
Revolution is among the first 150 languages (and there are thousands 
of other languages) used in business and industry and is assigned to 
the same group together with well known R, Mathematica and SPSS, 
AppleScript, PostScript, Oberon, VBScript and XSLT. Also they may be 
impressed by the fact that some software used in connection with 
Landsat 7 satellite is written in Revolution, and Revolution was also 
being used in European Community 6th framework projects.


all the best!
Viktoras

Jim Sims wrote:

When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
heard of that"  What do you tell them?

The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."


My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.

The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)

 I need to take advantage of this opportunity.

What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Paul Looney]

Jim,
I personally hate the name "Revolution", so I say "Rev" and "Revcode".
Fortunately, most of my customers are more interested in what our  
programs do, rather than how they do it. And I try to keep the  
conversation focused on that.
You might say that Rev is the framework and Revcode is the language;  
point out that both are part of a modern programming environment,  
used by programmers worldwide, with roots going back to the 80's - no  
need to mention SmallTalk or HyperCard. Then ask them a question to  
change the subject - like, "Are you looking for something particular  
today?"

Paul Looney

On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:29 PM, Jim Sims wrote:


When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
heard of that"  What do you tell them?

The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."


My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.

The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)

 I need to take advantage of this opportunity.

What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?

sims







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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Chipp Walters]

Y'know, it would be a cool idea to have a database of all the commercial and
enterprise apps written in Rev. That way one could point to the list and use
it as an example of what is and has been done with Rev in the past.
Paul, I agree with you. Having Revolution as the company name, name of the
product and name of the language is quite confusing for many. I prefer using
Transcript.

Many times I'll describe Rev as a 'Java-like' in that it runs on multiple
platforms, has a JIT compiler, but doesn't require runtime libraries and
therefore can be built into a standalone distributable application. I'll
also mention it's faster than Java and has been around as a stable
programming environment since the 80's.
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Re: My AntiVirus corrupts my gz file, was: need help for decompress URL

[Chipp Walters]

Which anti-virus do you use?

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> After a new install of the newest (other, as before) version of the
> antivirus the corruption happens again. On another PC with the same
> antivirus the error doesn't occur.
>
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Start with C++ then move to R++ and you've got Revolution



Tom McGrath III
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iTunes Library Suite - libITS
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On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Jim Sims wrote:


When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
heard of that"  What do you tell them?

The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."


My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.

The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)

I need to take advantage of this opportunity.

What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Neal Campbell]

I usually say that I code in a lot of languages (which is true) and
choose the best fit for each project (also true). If they ask about
C++ I tell them that I do not like it as it allows very subtle
design/coding errors to the level that maintenance is much more
expensive than with higher level languages (which is my exact feeling
on it, okay for plugins, not for applications).

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On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Start with C++ then move to R++ and you've got Revolution
>
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Jim Sims wrote:
>
>> When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
>> did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
>> say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
>> heard of that"  What do you tell them?
>>
>> The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
>> the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."
>>
>>
>> My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
>> in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
>> there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
>> presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.
>>
>> The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
>> the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
>> as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)
>>
>> I need to take advantage of this opportunity.
>>
>> What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?
>>
>> sims
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[GIRARD Damien]

I love R++ !



Damien Girard
Dam-pro

Thomas McGrath III a écrit :


Start with C++ then move to R++ and you've got Revolution



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On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:29 AM, Jim Sims wrote:


When potential clients and/or investors ask you "What language
did you make this in/with?"  and after saying Revolution (I usually
say Transcript, I like that name much better) they say "I've never
heard of that"  What do you tell them?

The best counter, for me, for the above exchange is "Mike Markkula,
the angel investor that got Apple off the ground has invested in Rev."


My project is a finalist at Le Web 2008, the largest startup event
in Europe (Wall Street Journal, LinkedIn founder, TED, etc etc will be
there along with lots of investors). There are 30 finalists, we do
presentations and then three are picked as co-winners.

The real prize is getting to speak with lots of  investors from
the US & Europe over several days. I need to make the most of this
as I like good food & wine, unfortunately those things cost cash  ;-)

I need to take advantage of this opportunity.

What do you say about Rev (or MetaCard)?

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Y'know, it would be a cool idea to have a database of all the commercial and
enterprise apps written in Rev. That way one could point to the list and use
it as an example of what is and has been done with Rev in the past.


Yep.  RunRev started one but it's pretty sparse, too sparse IMO to 
really give folks a good appreciation for the size and breadth of the 
community:



I'll take this opportunity to remind folks here that if anyone wants to 
take on this modest project I'd be happy to provide space at 
revJournal.com for such a listing.


I don't have the time to manage it myself, but I think it would be 
valuable and would provide access and URLs for anyone who wants to 
devote a little time to putting it together.



Paul, I agree with you. Having Revolution as the company name, name of the
product and name of the language is quite confusing for many. I prefer using
Transcript.


Agreed, and I use "Transcript" as well.

When I get this question I usually describe it as a top-secret 
competitive advantage, one that offers more productivity than anything 
else I've worked with.  :)


Making the new Apache module engine available for free will help 
tremendously in evangelizing the language, arguably more so than the 
browser plugin.  It's hard to beat the grace of chunk expressions for 
working with text, and whether HTML or JavaScript or CSS, most of the 
web is just text.


This is a good description:


Many times I'll describe Rev as a 'Java-like' in that it runs on multiple
platforms, has a JIT compiler, but doesn't require runtime libraries and
therefore can be built into a standalone distributable application. I'll
also mention it's faster than Java and has been around as a stable


Amen to all of that.

I also very much liked Tom's:

  Start with C++ then move to R++ and you've got Revolution

Another might be:

  It's what Visual Basic could have been if Microsoft wasn't high.

:)


Maybe this is taking the conversation in a direction it needn't go, but 
I can't help but think that if Rev were open source it might well be one 
of the dominant languages of our time, certainly beyond Ruby or even Python.


I should note than I'm not advocating that necessarily, and I understand 
that given where RunRev is that doesn't appear to be a viable option.


But in terms of traction/reach/mindshare/frenzy, it would seem a much 
simpler job of evangelizing the language if it were open source:


The toughest challenge I face in talking about it with potential clients 
is that it's a sole-source proprietary system.


Short of going open source, what might one do to better communicate the 
value of investing thousands of programmer hours in Rev?


Certainly the free Apache module will help, and a truly comprehensive 
list of both commercial products and add-on components would also be 
quite a boost.


What else could be done to make Rev as compelling for serious developers 
as open source languages?


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Text Fields?

[Richmond Mathewson]

In Plovdiv, Bulgaria, computer-related reading in English s not overly
abundant; so when I chanced upon Bruce W. Perry's "AppleScript in a 
Nutshell" (O'Reilly, 2001) going for about £2, I leapt upon it like the
 proverbial drowning man.

So, when not working or reading sensible books ("Tartuffe" just at the 
moment), I have been dipping in and out of this book (we all know that 
computer manuals are not meant to be read in a linear fashion).

ANYWAY: came to the section on scripting TextEdit (why one would actually
want to do this escapes me) and suddenly felt a bit cheesed-off:

there, among the ELEMENTS (no, not Iodine, Ytterbium and Osmium) were the
 following:

WORD - Yes, jolly good, RR has that,

ATTRIBUTE RUN - Um,

PARAGRAPH - Um . . .

Now I am well aware RR is not a glorified text-editor (after all, one can
 download endless superior text-editors for free), however, it is not 
unreasonable to suppose that the ability to perform what is permitted
by AppleScript in TextEdit in text fields in Runtime Revolution would
be extremely useful: particularly because Runtime Revolution, unlike both
AppleScript and TextEdit are both tightly bound to one operating system.

I seem to use lots and lots of text fields containing sentences that contain 
differently coloured words, as well as using italicisation (well, I do develop 
for EFL); and being able to check certain aspects of those fields in terms of 
WHICH words, exactly, were coloured red, rather than green (for example) would 
be fantastic.

Looking at the SuperTalk Language Guide (just downloaded Trial 4.6.3 
for reference) I see:

spaceBefore  "set the spaceBefore of char 20 to 256 of bg field "notes" to 15"

and

spaceAfter

which, presumably, could be used to determine how many paragraphs a text 
field contained, as it could be used for indenting paragraphs.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



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Text Fields?

[Richmond Mathewson]

I wrote:

"particularly because Runtime Revolution, unlike both
AppleScript and TextEdit are both tightly bound to one operating system."

which is complete tripe; what I meant is:

'particularly because Runtime Revolution, unlike both
AppleScript and TextEdit, is not tightly bound to one operating system.'

sorry.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Text Fields?

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Geeze, I understood what you meant the first time. (smile)

Nice to see someone reads their own posts.

Joe Wilkins
On Nov 30, 2008, at 1:20 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


I wrote:

"particularly because Runtime Revolution, unlike both
AppleScript and TextEdit are both tightly bound to one operating  
system."


which is complete tripe; what I meant is:

'particularly because Runtime Revolution, unlike both
AppleScript and TextEdit, is not tightly bound to one operating  
system.'


sorry.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.






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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mark Swindell]

Transcript and R++ are both nice (R++ particularly so).  To me   
"Revolution" sounds not like a programming language, an environment,  
or a company, but something else all together.  Runtime Revolution?   
Even less.

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Sorting Text by textStyle.

[Richmond Mathewson]

Um, probably reinventing the wheel here. Notwithstanding that, just tried this:

put the number of chars in fld "f1" into XCHARS
  repeat with XX=1 to XCHARS
if the textStyle of char XX of fld "f1" is italic then
  put char XX of fld "f1" after fld "f2"
  end if
  end repeat

where field "f1" contained a large text of which about 50% was italicised.

It worked.

Mind you, still didn't tell me how many paragraphs field "f1" contained.

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Text Fields?

[Richmond Mathewson]

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

"Nice to see someone reads their own posts."

Well, I can't go to bed and sleep soundly unless I know at least one
person has read my posts :)

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


I also very much liked Tom's:

 Start with C++ then move to R++ and you've got Revolution

Another might be:

 It's what Visual Basic could have been if Microsoft wasn't high.

:)


This is very funny... LOL..

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When they ask, what is this written in?

[Richmond Mathewson]

It's what HyperCard could have been if Apple had more crunch!

Personally I like "xTalk", so why not call the Runtime Revolution dialect

RexTalk ?

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Chipp Walters]

Richmond,
The problem with "Hypercard" and "xTalk" is for many they represent
non-professional approaches to programming. That's why I never mention
either when talking about Rev.

Others who are reading this thread,

Also, I think of Rev as more than just a scripting language for the
following reasons:

1) Rev can create powerful applications and standalones. Most scripting
languages cannot do this natively;
2) Rev has a built in IDE; most scripting languages tend to use a third
party IDE;
3) Rev has some compiling capabilities, which many scripting languages don't
have-- but more and more are adding this now.
4) Rev has a very full GUI set of tools.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[viktoras didziulis]

One could also look at Revolution as a C++ development framework. 
Depends on where you are looking from.. I guess you know a story about 
an elephant and six blind men :-)


Richard Gaskin wrote:


Making the new Apache module engine available for free will help 
tremendously in evangelizing the language, arguably more so than the 
browser plugin.  It's hard to beat the grace of chunk expressions for 
working with text, and whether HTML or JavaScript or CSS, most of the 
web is just text.
modRevolution, modRev or am I missing something? It would be a hit. Is 
it already available anywhere, or is it only in future plans of the Rev. 
Ltd?


Short of going open source, what might one do to better communicate 
the value of investing thousands of programmer hours in Rev?


Certainly the free Apache module will help, and a truly comprehensive 
list of both commercial products and add-on components would also be 
quite a boost.


What else could be done to make Rev as compelling for serious 
developers as open source languages?


Diversity of available choices, including free or open source product 
line, benefits many makers of development tools. An engine and Apache 
module might be distributed for free while IDE and deployment tools 
could remain proprietary. This approach is exploited by well known 
companies like Adobe, Borland or smaller ones like AdaCore, ActiveState, 
and many others...


As time passes by and once consumer is aware (in our times he really 
is...) about all the top-popular development tools being at least free, 
open source or under "artistic licences" at the 
engine/compiler/interpreter level, "proprietaryness" of  Rev. may become 
a real obstacle. Most developers and content providers are already used 
to free availability of many engines. These tools are becoming an air of 
the Internet, they ensure constant creation of new content, and most 
people can not accept an idea of  any air fee or air tax or air 
property, but are willing to pay for "blowers", "steroids", or anything 
that allows them to move more of their air from point A to point B in a 
more efficient way. In principle they want a free possibility to create 
and deploy using their 'favorite text editors' and command line tools, 
and would likely pay for an IDE that would efficiently free them from 
their 'favorite text editors' :-).


my 1 cnt
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Paul Looney]

Well put, Chipp.
Or, looking at the same thing a bit differently:
"Rev" is more than "RevCode".
You can build an application's interface, go through several  
"versions" with the client/customer - and never write a single line  
of code until you and the client/customer are in agreement on most of  
the details of the product/project.

Rev is a "development environment".
At this point it is hard for me to think of prototyping a product in  
any traditional "language".

And, once it is prototyped in Rev, what not just finish it in Rev?

Yet, this is hard to convey to a client/customer. And I believe that  
was Jim's original question. I'm not sure this ease of use, time- 
savings, and enhanced customer/client communication can be explained.

Paul Looney

On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:


Richmond,
The problem with "Hypercard" and "xTalk" is for many they represent
non-professional approaches to programming. That's why I never mention
either when talking about Rev.

Others who are reading this thread,

Also, I think of Rev as more than just a scripting language for the
following reasons:

1) Rev can create powerful applications and standalones. Most  
scripting

languages cannot do this natively;
2) Rev has a built in IDE; most scripting languages tend to use a  
third

party IDE;
3) Rev has some compiling capabilities, which many scripting  
languages don't

have-- but more and more are adding this now.
4) Rev has a very full GUI set of tools.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Paul, Chipp, Jim, others:

Do I think we REALLY want our clients to know "how easy" Rev is in  
comparison with other development environments. Doing so raises their  
expectations much to much, whereas we're always optimistic at the  
outset and need the extra time we've saved to smooth out the problems  
that are pretty inevitable in ever endeavor. IMHO, let our performance  
speak for itself and explain as little as necessary to get the work.


I don't feel this is being deceptive; just pragmatic. But, they're not  
stupid either, so chose a name for the language that can't be  
informationally googled by anyone. I'd go for RR+++. It's not there or  
anywhere, but could be explained if the need ever REALLY arose. Note  
the third plus sign!


Joe Wilkins

On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Paul Looney wrote:


Well put, Chipp.
Or, looking at the same thing a bit differently:
"Rev" is more than "RevCode".
You can build an application's interface, go through several  
"versions" with the client/customer - and never write a single line  
of code until you and the client/customer are in agreement on most  
of the details of the product/project.

Rev is a "development environment".
At this point it is hard for me to think of prototyping a product in  
any traditional "language".

And, once it is prototyped in Rev, what not just finish it in Rev?

Yet, this is hard to convey to a client/customer. And I believe that  
was Jim's original question. I'm not sure this ease of use, time- 
savings, and enhanced customer/client communication can be explained.

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Richard Gaskin]

viktoras wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Making the new Apache module engine available for free will help
>> tremendously in evangelizing the language, arguably more so than the
>> browser plugin.  It's hard to beat the grace of chunk expressions for
>> working with text, and whether HTML or JavaScript or CSS, most of the
>> web is just text.
>
> modRevolution, modRev or am I missing something? It would be a hit.
> Is it already available anywhere, or is it only in future plans of
> the Rev. Ltd?

Very little has been published about this so far - here's one of the few 
mentions I can find:


   PHP style Rev engine

   We're delighted to announce we will be bringing you an
   enhanced server side engine, allowing you to embed tags
   in a web page, in the same way as one uses php tags.



For myself, this is far more interesting than the browser plug-in on the 
other side of the web equation.


No browser plug-in will ever be bigger than Flash, but a Rev server 
module has a chance at being a PHP/Ruby contender in a big way.


  Q: What is "PHP"?
  A: That's the sound Rev makes when it slaps PHP across the face.

:)

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Kee Nethery]

An Apache mod_Rev module that could optionally break into the  
graphical interface for debugging would be amazingly useful. The  
existing "engine" that does not have all the functionality of standard  
Rev is not worth the hassle (IMHO).


What I want is an Apache module that runs a stack or set of stacks  
with plugins and all the trimmings. Essentially, I'd like to have a  
RunRev app that acts like Apache (think Andre's HTTP stack) that  
allows me to step through the scripts. This would be single threaded  
and it would display the stack screens.


Then, I want the exact same stacks to run under Apache. If  
mod_Revolution has 20 sessions that stay up, I'd want essentially 20  
copies of the stacks running in separate sandboxes. Because I do want  
a way to communicate between them, I'd want a new type of global  
(threadglobal ?) that is common to all the sessions.


I'd drop Python and move to this kind of setup in a heartbeat. I'm not  
holding my breath.


Kee

On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:46 PM, viktoras didziulis wrote:

One could also look at Revolution as a C++ development framework.  
Depends on where you are looking from.. I guess you know a story  
about an elephant and six blind men :-)


Richard Gaskin wrote:


Making the new Apache module engine available for free will help  
tremendously in evangelizing the language, arguably more so than  
the browser plugin.  It's hard to beat the grace of chunk  
expressions for working with text, and whether HTML or JavaScript  
or CSS, most of the web is just text.
modRevolution, modRev or am I missing something? It would be a hit.  
Is it already available anywhere, or is it only in future plans of  
the Rev. Ltd?


Short of going open source, what might one do to better communicate  
the value of investing thousands of programmer hours in Rev?


Certainly the free Apache module will help, and a truly  
comprehensive list of both commercial products and add-on  
components would also be quite a boost.


What else could be done to make Rev as compelling for serious  
developers as open source languages?


Diversity of available choices, including free or open source  
product line, benefits many makers of development tools. An engine  
and Apache module might be distributed for free while IDE and  
deployment tools could remain proprietary. This approach is  
exploited by well known companies like Adobe, Borland or smaller  
ones like AdaCore, ActiveState, and many others...


As time passes by and once consumer is aware (in our times he really  
is...) about all the top-popular development tools being at least  
free, open source or under "artistic licences" at the engine/ 
compiler/interpreter level, "proprietaryness" of  Rev. may become a  
real obstacle. Most developers and content providers are already  
used to free availability of many engines. These tools are becoming  
an air of the Internet, they ensure constant creation of new  
content, and most people can not accept an idea of  any air fee or  
air tax or air property, but are willing to pay for "blowers",  
"steroids", or anything that allows them to move more of their air  
from point A to point B in a more efficient way. In principle they  
want a free possibility to create and deploy using their 'favorite  
text editors' and command line tools, and would likely pay for an  
IDE that would efficiently free them from their 'favorite text  
editors' :-).


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Jim Kanter]

Why not just tell 'em you're using a fourth-generation high-level
object-oriented language running in a custom IDE.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

Consider the following to be constructive criticism, despite the tone.
 The tone is merely a vehicle to illustrate the point plainly.

1) R++ is already taken.
2) Why are you embarrassed about the environment?  If you are, then
you are talking to the wrong people.  From a different angle, if these
people and their money are going to have an enormous positive or
negative impact on your future, then you're an idiot for writing it in
any tool that you think is going to keep you from sealing the deal.
Conversely, you'd be an idiot for letting them have so much control
over your future and your baby if you're using Rev for any reason
other than it was dirt cheap and you're living at home with your Mum
who can't afford to fix the roof.
3) You're in Europe.  Rev is in Edinburough, Scotland.  How is that
possibly bad?
4) IMHO, nothing is worse than lying or trying to cover for your
inadequacies.  If you tried to pull a stunt like some of the ones that
have been suggested here I would toss you out in a second, which is
just about how long it would take to see right through you, and to be
clear, I've dropped many tens of thousands on individual software
projects and tossed a lot of vendors out the door for being ass
clowns. Tell them the stinking truth - the engine is open source with
commercial IDE/RAD toolkit built on top of it, and even that is open
source.  It uses a language and paradigm that started with HyperCard,
which makes it really, really easy to write and even easier to tweak.
It will run in Windows, the Mac or Linux without having to hack the
code all to hell.  The last major release was a couple of months ago,
and they are on a six-month minor, twelve-month major cycle.
5) Insulting C++ or M$ or Java is a Very Bad Idea, as is insulting
your competition.  This isn't a political campaign, and you don't
score points by setting fire to the opposition.  You do make folks
look for the gong, though.  If they're asking what tool it's written
in it's either because a) anything other than C++/Java/M$ whatever
isn't good enough, in which case they're not interested anyway, or b)
because they're interested in you and your project, and they're just
curious about how you pulled it off, because maybe they can try it
out, too.  Dropping your drawers and mooning them is a good way to
make a name for yourself, and not the kind you want, since you're
going looking for their money.  Mooning them will also surely make a
name for you with people they know, which also alienates that money.
There's also c) If you even mention C++, Java or M$, you're getting
tuned out, and there are MANY people who have had enough of all three.
5) Know what the weaknesses are, and have a reasonable response
planned.  Is it scalable?  Does it run in Linux - oh, wait, we already
addressed that one.  What about ad hoc reporting?  Licensing.  SaaS.
Email.  Web serving.  Costs of development seats.  There are major
software development vendors out there that have a difficult time on
several of those, where RR is fine.  How do we do version control?

They're a whole lot smarter when it comes to business than you are,
and they have a ton of projects they can invest in.  This isn't a
charity.  Almost none of them are interested in jerks they can't work
with.  Almost all of them are looking to get angel money into the Next
Big Thing.  What's the plan?  What's the target price?  Who's the
competition?  How do I integrate this tool with what we're doing?

Bottom line:  If you can't justify your decisions and investment and
expenditure in this project to this point, they won't be able to
justify theirs, so either hurry the hell up and rewrite it in
something else, or be comfortable with what you did and why, and stop
worrying about whether or not it's good enough.  They didn't invent
it, you did.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

As far as I know, I'm not an "ass clown" like some of the vendors I  
guess you have tossed out the door, but explaining Runtime Revolution  
in a room full of programmers and software engineers is more difficult  
than it needs to be.

That's it. That simple.
With a clear and non-confusing name for the language that is not also  
the name of the company and also the IDE it would be a lot easier to  
explain.


And since the patent on R++ is still out there but not being used then  
how about RR++ or R+


Regards,

Tom McGrath III  <--- Not an "Ass Clown"
Lazy River Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html





On Nov 30, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Mikey wrote:


Consider the following to be constructive criticism, despite the tone.
The tone is merely a vehicle to illustrate the point plainly.

1) R++ is already taken.
2) Why are you embarrassed about the environment?
3) You're in Europe.  Rev is in Edinburough, Scotland.  How is that
possibly bad?
4) IMHO, nothing is worse than lying or trying to cover for your
inadequacies.  If you tried to pull a stunt like some of the ones that
have been suggested here I would toss you out in a second, which is
just about how long it would take to see right through you, and to be
clear, I've dropped many tens of thousands on individual software
projects and tossed a lot of vendors out the door for being ass
clowns.

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mikey wrote:


Tell them the stinking truth - the engine is open source with
commercial IDE/RAD toolkit built on top of it, and even that is open
source.


?

The Rev engine is close-source, as it's been since MetaCard 1.0.




5) Insulting C++ or M$ or Java is a Very Bad Idea


"M$"

:)


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Re: answer file with more than one image type

[Ken Ray]

> One more question.
> After I import an image and resize it down to be a button icon, does
> RunRev purge all the extra image data from the original and give the
> now imbedded picture a smaller size?

If all you are doing is changing its rectangle by dragging handles, then Rev
keeps alls the extra data. In fact, if you don't lock the image (set the
lockLocation of the image to "true") and you leave the card and come back,
you'll see that it has expanded again to its normal size.

If you want it to purge the extra image information, you can resize it down,
then execute this line of code:

  set the imageData of img 1 to (the imageData of img 1)

I know it doesn't seem like it should do anything, but it does.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


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AW: My AntiVirus corrupts my gz file, was: need help for decompress URL

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

It is AntiVirus 2009 from GDATA, a german product :(
Tiemo

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chipp Walters
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. November 2008 19:31
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: My AntiVirus corrupts my gz file,was: need help for
> decompress URL
> 
> Which anti-virus do you use?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >
> > After a new install of the newest (other, as before) version of the
> > antivirus the corruption happens again. On another PC with the same
> > antivirus the error doesn't occur.
> >
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