AW: why doesn't revZipCloseArchive close the archive?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Yes, thousand times read, but not seen.
Thank you Lyn
Tiemo

> 
> If the code is exactly as you had posted, then
> your revZipCloseArchive statement has a typo
> (tArchive instead of tArchiv).
> 
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Re: why doesn't revZipCloseArchive close the archive?

[Lyn Teyla]

Tiemo wrote:

> The result of ZipOpen and ZipExtract are empty, but the
> result of ZipClose
> tells me "ziperr,archive not open" Why? After quitting the
> Rev IDE I can
> delete the zip file manually. What am I missing, or is
> there any other
> option to force to close a file so, that I can delete it
> from Rev?

If the code is exactly as you had posted, then
your revZipCloseArchive statement has a typo
(tArchive instead of tArchiv).

Lyn

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Re: "01/01/1969" is a date = true on Mac but not on Windows?

[Bob Sneidar]

Methinks someone at Runrev Limited should consider this method in lieu  
of their present method for determining ANYTHING about dates.  
Spreadsheets use Julian dates behind the scenes precisely because you  
cannot always depend on an OS to give you consistent results for date  
calculations.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Hugh Senior wrote:


Hi Klaus,

There is a set of routines in the Scripter's Scrapbook (called  
julianDates)
originally posted by Joel Guillod back in 2004 that manipulates  
dates using
Julian date system which (largely) removes any arbitrary cutoff  
date. I say

'Largely' only because it won't handle dates earlier than 4713BC. The
front-end application of the functions supplied is very  
straightforward. It

means you can correctly handle virtually any date you want.

/H



Any hints on how to verify these dates on windows without too much
effort?


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why doesn't revZipCloseArchive close the archive?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello,

I have a zip file which I am extracting with:

revZipOpenArchive tArchiv, read

revZipExtractItemToFile tArchiv, tItem, tFile

revZipCloseArchive tArchive

very standard and that works fine, beside I can't delete the zip file after
having extracted all items with delete URL. The result tells me "can't
delete file".

The result of ZipOpen and ZipExtract are empty, but the result of ZipClose
tells me "ziperr,archive not open" Why? After quitting the Rev IDE I can
delete the zip file manually. What am I missing, or is there any other
option to force to close a file so, that I can delete it from Rev?

Thanks for any hints

Tiemo

 

 

 

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Re: [TT] When they ask, Who (or What) was this written by ?

[viktoras didziulis]

some say that Shakespeare should share his genius with Sir Francis 
Bacon, so may be not a "standalone" genius at all. Who knows...


best regards
Viktoras

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

[TT] - Totally Tangential.

Speaking as a happily married person (just thinking about how that mucks 
up marriage statistics makes it even happier) both my wife and I would 
find it pretty tough to claim 100% authorship of anything; well, except in 
those arguments where she says that one of our sons is 100% like me :)


As a person who doesn't feel to bad about plundering code (as well as 
shoving a lot of mine around for others to plunder) I can honestly say 
that my maximum input on anyone project is about 75%; even if the other 
25% consisted of supplying hot drinks, keeping the kids out of the way, 
cooking meals, cleaning the house - I would have been hard-put to complete 
a lot of work without that support.


So, whether Albert Einstein's wives were quiet geniuses spoon-feeding 
"stupid Bert", or whether they were "just" his support crew doesn't really 
matter: their contribution should be acknowledged.


Skaespeare ripped-off everything, left, right, and centre: it is what he 
did with the material he gathered that constitutes genius.


Of course there are Shakespearian 'scholars' (and those single quotes are 
meant to signify that they are a fairly worthless crowd) who worry about 
whether that wonderful turn of phrasing in Richard II's soliliquoy is 100% 
Shakespeare, or whether the first adjective was thought up by another 
lurking genius: does it matter? Not one wit: "The play's the thing!"


"And so to a little coding" . . . to misquote that unsung hero of 
software development, Mr Samuel Pepys.


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.



  
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Re: "01/01/1969" is a date = true on Mac but not on Windows?

[Hugh Senior]

Hi Klaus,

There is a set of routines in the Scripter's Scrapbook (called julianDates)
originally posted by Joel Guillod back in 2004 that manipulates dates using
Julian date system which (largely) removes any arbitrary cutoff date. I say
'Largely' only because it won't handle dates earlier than 4713BC. The
front-end application of the functions supplied is very straightforward. It
means you can correctly handle virtually any date you want.

/H


>Any hints on how to verify these dates on windows without too much
>effort?

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Re: OT: Edu Users Interested in Art/3D Art and Rev

[Judy Perry]

I'm interested!
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com

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>
> Without going into great NDA busting detail, Mirye has picked up exclusive,
> worldwide rights to a 3D software product (Windows and Mac, both) which
> should be announced in time for MacWorld. Though Rev has little to do with
> 3D, Rev is a superior multimedia system for content aggregation.
>
> We've been getting Rev out through academic friendly sales channels, like
> Programmer's Paradise, Academic Superstore and even a small presence on
> Amazon. However Im exploring the content side of academic promotion,
> especially in context to Rev + Content (graphics, video, audio) since that
> seems to be a stronger emphasis in multimedia education now in K-12
> (podcasting, video production, interactive web, etc) than programming as a
> "standalone" topic.
>
> Id like to assess interest for this in the Rev community and who all might
> be interested in a special interest group. Unfortunately I don't have any
> body parts to trade, but I may have a spare piece of Malte left after his
> big giveaway ;-)
>
> Best regards,
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Re: OT: Edu Users Interested in Art/3D Art and Rev

[Chipp Walters]

Congrats, Lynn.

Look forward to hearing more when the time comes.

best,
Chipp
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Re: [TT] When they ask, Who (or What) was this written by ?

[Mikey]

I can't believe you didn't mention that Freud, when he wasn't high,
was doing nothing if not ripping off Shakespeare.  Where does THAT
take us?
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[TT] When they ask, Who (or What) was this written by ?

[Richmond Mathewson]

[TT] - Totally Tangential.

Speaking as a happily married person (just thinking about how that mucks 
up marriage statistics makes it even happier) both my wife and I would 
find it pretty tough to claim 100% authorship of anything; well, except in 
those arguments where she says that one of our sons is 100% like me :)

As a person who doesn't feel to bad about plundering code (as well as 
shoving a lot of mine around for others to plunder) I can honestly say 
that my maximum input on anyone project is about 75%; even if the other 
25% consisted of supplying hot drinks, keeping the kids out of the way, 
cooking meals, cleaning the house - I would have been hard-put to complete 
a lot of work without that support.

So, whether Albert Einstein's wives were quiet geniuses spoon-feeding 
"stupid Bert", or whether they were "just" his support crew doesn't really 
matter: their contribution should be acknowledged.

Skaespeare ripped-off everything, left, right, and centre: it is what he 
did with the material he gathered that constitutes genius.

Of course there are Shakespearian 'scholars' (and those single quotes are 
meant to signify that they are a fairly worthless crowd) who worry about 
whether that wonderful turn of phrasing in Richard II's soliliquoy is 100% 
Shakespeare, or whether the first adjective was thought up by another 
lurking genius: does it matter? Not one wit: "The play's the thing!"

"And so to a little coding" . . . to misquote that unsung hero of 
software development, Mr Samuel Pepys.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.




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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Joe, thinking further, in a bigger sense, maybe that is the point.  We  
are all influenced by everything around us.


Thanks

Tom

On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Joe, I don't think that was the point at all. He was saying that it  
was not Einstein's work at all but rather his wife's work that 'he  
took credit for'. My wife influences me all of the time in my work  
but she has no knowledge what-so-ever of programming. Most of the  
time her influence is a positive influence and being able to bounce  
ideas off of her helps me look at a problem I am taking on in new  
ways.


" Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it"


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On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


Wasn''t  that the whole point?

Joe Wilkins

On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

That is a common misconception but is highly regarded as not true.  
She may have influenced him during the first part of their  
marriage but the last five years they didn't even live together.


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

> That must have been a very interesting paper you wrote. I would love to read
> it sometime.
I'll have to call my dead prof. to see if he still has it somewhere.


> My only comment would be that during their marriage A.E. would have been
> influenced both by his wife and by his work at the patent office.
And that takes us to the other major group of Einstein detractors,
those that argue that he was a blatant and serial plagiarizer.  I do
not remember anyone arguing that he stole ideas from the patent
office, but there was a bunch of grumbling that he did from fellow
physicists, ones that were already accomplished, and therefore did not
mind sharing their work with a student (at the time) when he asked for
copies.

I am not making the following argument, I am just regurgitating it.  I
have not researched it, so I am just digging into the pit of trivia to
toss out the nugget.
Again, if memory serves me right, one of the major red flags is the
fact that the paper on mass-energy equivalency (e=mc^2, i.e. special
relativity) lacks a single footnote, which is at best suspicious,
given that other "physicists" (more like hobbyists) were already
working in this area, and, like most major revolutions in Physics, it
was scoffed at (similar to Planck's mathematical supposition of the
existence of quanta before the photoelectric effect was demonstrated).
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OT: Edu Users Interested in Art/3D Art and Rev

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hello all,

Without going into great NDA busting detail, Mirye has picked up exclusive,
worldwide rights to a 3D software product (Windows and Mac, both) which
should be announced in time for MacWorld. Though Rev has little to do with
3D, Rev is a superior multimedia system for content aggregation.

We've been getting Rev out through academic friendly sales channels, like
Programmer's Paradise, Academic Superstore and even a small presence on
Amazon. However Im exploring the content side of academic promotion,
especially in context to Rev + Content (graphics, video, audio) since that
seems to be a stronger emphasis in multimedia education now in K-12
(podcasting, video production, interactive web, etc) than programming as a
"standalone" topic.

Id like to assess interest for this in the Rev community and who all might
be interested in a special interest group. Unfortunately I don't have any
body parts to trade, but I may have a spare piece of Malte left after his
big giveaway ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

Mirye Community NING
http://miryesoftware.ning.com 

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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Colin Holgate]

On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Mikey wrote:


A-ha! So, what you're saying is that it was all about relativity?


And the thread descends into the basement of puns.


It ac-cellar-ated there.



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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

> A-ha! So, what you're saying is that it was all about relativity?

And the thread descends into the basement of puns.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Relatives, relativity, it's all the same

Besides, didn't he marry his second cousin as his second wife??? So,  
it gets even more relative.



On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:



On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Mikey wrote:

" Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took  
credit

for it"


A-ha! So, what you're saying is that it was all about relativity?


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Colin Holgate]

On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


" Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it"


A-ha! So, what you're saying is that it was all about relativity?


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

That must have been a very interesting paper you wrote. I would love  
to read it sometime.


My only comment would be that during their marriage A.E. would have  
been influenced both by his wife and by his work at the patent office.  
Later on in life he would continue to bring great minds together and I  
think his contributions between 1917 and the late 1920's were  
revolutionary in understanding Quantum theory and mechanics. This is  
not to say that his first wife did not influence him but rather to say  
that it was always his way to surround himself with great minds.



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On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Mikey wrote:


The argument that Mr. Einstein's work is credited incorrectly to him
and not to her, ...

That's the crux of what I remember.  Hey, at least I got an "A" from a
Ph.D. who was an Einstein "Nut".
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

Joe, I don't think that was the point at all. He was saying that it  
was not Einstein's work at all but rather his wife's work that 'he  
took credit for'. My wife influences me all of the time in my work but  
she has no knowledge what-so-ever of programming. Most of the time her  
influence is a positive influence and being able to bounce ideas off  
of her helps me look at a problem I am taking on in new ways.


" Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it"


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On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:


Wasn''t  that the whole point?

Joe Wilkins

On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

That is a common misconception but is highly regarded as not true.  
She may have influenced him during the first part of their marriage  
but the last five years they didn't even live together.


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

> That is a common misconception but is highly regarded as not true. She may
> have influenced him during the first part of their marriage but the last
> five years they didn't even live together.

You'll have to forgive me for not remembering all of this, but THE
papers were written in 1905, when the love letters are pretty typical
for lovebirds.  I believe they didn't divorce until 1920-ish.

I was busier at the time trying to keep my brain wrapped around all
the differential equations, but this research was a welcome diversion
for a couple of weeks.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

The argument that Mr. Einstein's work is credited incorrectly to him
and not to her, and ignoring the arguments of plagiarism from other
physicists of the day - a whole OTHER flamewar topic - is based on
some documentary and some circumstantial evidence.  Unfortunately the
verbose paper I wrote on this, based on the research of others was
written some 20-or-so years ago, so the exact facts are fuzzy to me,
but the argument goes like this:

1) Letters from him to her mention "our" work, in the context of his
and hers, especially preceding and during 1905, the year when "his"
most important physics is published.
2) The work that earned the Nobel in Physics was all done while they
were him & her.  As we all know, that was for the experimental
corroboration of Planck's Photoelectric Effect (the mathematical
hypothesis from Planck and Einstein's experimental work = Quantam
Mechanics).  Indeed, all five spectacular papers that "he" wrote were
in 1905.
3) After their bitter divorce, his work meanders all over the place
and accomplishes nothing.  One may also argue that after 1905 he
doesn't accomplish anything, but that is a different horse.
4) After 1905, she goes on to continue to publish interesting Physics,
although nothing as spectacular as the five pillars of modern Physics.
5) It appears based on style and grammar (and good spelling) that she
actually did the writing.  Was she acting as his secretary? Maybe, but
she was older than he and significantly further along in her graduate
work at the time.

That's the crux of what I remember.  Hey, at least I got an "A" from a
Ph.D. who was an Einstein "Nut".
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Richard Gaskin]

Mikey wrote:

Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it for them both, due to the societal norms in the early 20th
century, which was inconvenient when they divorced, since he didn't
accomplish anything afterwards.


I can find no documentation supporting the notion that Einstein was a fraud.

The most extreme version of that I've come across is merely that 
Einstein's first wife, Mileva Maric, was a contributor to his work.


And even that seems based on slender and sometimes misquoted evidence, 
and is strongly refuted by many Einstein historians:




There is little doubt that Ms. Maric was a talented if not brilliant 
physicist, and indeed in a different era she might well have been more 
famous.  And as Einstein's wife no doubt their conversations had some 
influence on the direction of his research.


But did she specifically do most of the work on the papers he published 
under his own name?  I can't turn up anything to substantiate that.


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Joe Lewis Wilkins]

Wasn''t  that the whole point?

Joe Wilkins

On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

That is a common misconception but is highly regarded as not true.  
She may have influenced him during the first part of their marriage  
but the last five years they didn't even live together.


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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

That is a common misconception but is highly regarded as not true. She  
may have influenced him during the first part of their marriage but  
the last five years they didn't even live together.


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On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Mikey wrote:


Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it for them both, due to the societal norms in the early 20th
century, which was inconvenient when they divorced, since he didn't
accomplish anything afterwards.

Just another flame war started by me.  You're welcome.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Mikey]

Not to pick on Einstein, but it was his wife's work.  He took credit
for it for them both, due to the societal norms in the early 20th
century, which was inconvenient when they divorced, since he didn't
accomplish anything afterwards.

Just another flame war started by me.  You're welcome.
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Re: When they ask, what is this written in?

[Thomas McGrath III]

On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Jim Sims wrote:


Maybe I'm dumb enough to need advice but
smart enough to ask   ;-)



And make sure you stay this way! There is no body smart enough not to  
need some advice sometimes and there are very few people who will ask.  
I believe it is the smartest people who know when to ask for advice.  
Albert Einstein said one time that the smartest thing he ever did was  
to surround himself with geniuses. That is the main reason I love this  
list.



Tom McGrath




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Re: "01/01/1969" is a date = true on Mac but not on Windows?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Am 02.12.2008 um 09:44 schrieb Klaus Major:
>
>> Hi freinds,
>>
>> the subject says it all :-/
>> Please tell me that I am overlooking something obvious

Sorry, you are not. On Windows, dates before 1/1/1970 will not appear as dates.

> sorry, just found the appropriate info in the docs, but they were listed
> under "is a" and not the obvious "date" entry ;-)
>
> Any hints on how to verify these dates on windows without too much effort?

Not as far as I know. I wrote a routine to do this which I can dig out
if you need it.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: "01/01/1969" is a date = true on Mac but not on Windows?

[Klaus Major]

Hi all,

Am 02.12.2008 um 09:44 schrieb Klaus Major:


Hi freinds,

the subject says it all :-/
Please tell me that I am overlooking something obvious


sorry, just found the appropriate info in the docs, but they were listed
under "is a" and not the obvious "date" entry ;-)

Any hints on how to verify these dates on windows without too much  
effort?



Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


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Re: How to verify a put url?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Tiemo,

As Peter writes, the answer is in the question. Check "the result",  
which might say something like "can't open file".


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On 2 dec 2008, at 09:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Hello

When a "put URL tUrl into URL ("binfile:" & tFile)" fails, e.g.  
because the
target file already exists and is in use, I don't get an error, it  
just
doesn't replace the file. Also trying to "try - put - catch" doesn't  
throws
me an error. Are there any other approaches to verify, if the result  
of a

put into url is ok?

Thanks

Tiemo


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By the way, the questions all have answers

[Peter Alcibiades]

The questions are going to have answers - they may not be confined to stating 
the merits of the language, however.  Like, it may be an answer to the 
question what if something happens to you, to reply that you have an 
arrangement with X in another city.  The chances of trucks hitting both of 
you are negligible.  On the issue of what happens if it goes the way of 
Hypercard, you may have answers on the lines of how easy it will be to 
convert to another environment, or how unlikely this is.  

All environments have things for the customer to worry about.  Open Source, 
what happens if it goes off down a blind alley like KDE4 appeared to be doing 
for several months?  What happens if fashions change and everyone moves to 
the new flavor?

Just because they have legitimate concerns, and they are concerns specific to 
Rev perhaps, does not mean they will not see that its still a good choice for 
them, if the situation is explained clearly.

Peter
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How to verify a put url?

[Tiemo Hollmann TB]

Hello

When a "put URL tUrl into URL ("binfile:" & tFile)" fails, e.g. because the
target file already exists and is in use, I don't get an error, it just
doesn't replace the file. Also trying to "try - put - catch" doesn't throws
me an error. Are there any other approaches to verify, if the result of a
put into url is ok?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

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"01/01/1969" is a date = true on Mac but not on Windows?

[Klaus Major]

Hi freinds,

the subject says it all :-/
Please tell me that I am overlooking something obvious


Regards

Klaus Major
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http://www.major-k.de


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When they ask, find out what the real question is

[Peter Alcibiades]

The question is not going to be asked in a vacuum. You have to find out what 
the specific concern is, if there is one.  It may be just an item on a check 
list.  Or it may be related to policy on having control of the application in 
various circumstances, maintainability and so on.  Whatever, you have to find 
out what they really want to know.  

I bet that 90% of the time, when this question is asked, and the answer 'C++' 
is given, that is not the end of the matter either, but that questions about 
maintainability, source archiving, documentation start being asked.

On the open source issue, the customer is being asked to make a bet.  He is 
committing to an application written in a language that is (1) closed source 
(2) a minority language.   It may be a great bet, the risk reward ratio may 
be brilliant, but that is what it is.  There will be some customers who feel 
uneasy about this. They may essentially be asking questions about, what 
happens if you the programmer get hit by a truck tomorrow.  And what happens 
if Rev the company goes bust and the language does not find a buyer to 
maintain it?  What happens if it goes the way of Hypercard?

I suspect if the dialogue gets serious on the topic of the language, these are 
the concerns you have to answer.  But only start in on this when satisified 
that this is the issue, there is no point in suggesting difficulties.

Peter
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