[OT] If programming languages were religions...
I see Runtime Revolution as, in some way, resembling Hinduism: A few core beliefs onto which many individual users and groups have grafted extraneous beliefs that integrate with the core ones to a lesser or greater extent. Metacard is Advaita monism, having come out of Hypercard (the Vedic religion); Supercard ties up with Jainism (denying links with the mother religion). HyperStudio and HyperNext resemble some of the cults cooked up by misinformed westerners in that they superficially resemble Hinduism, but underneath they are something quite different (and, from my point of view, second-class goods). Runtime Revolution ( Dvaita and/or Vishishtadvaita ) can now be used with a number of GUIs: Saivism, Vaisnavism and Smarta Brahmanism. This comparison is in no way to be taken to denigrate Hinduism; it could, however, be taken as praise for Runtime Revolution :) And, inevitably perhaps, the most sacred word (the bija mantra) of Runtime Revolution has to be 'ROM'. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. PS. And if you think that is bad ask for my metaphor using Christianity! A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hammering on about Paragraphs
JLG wrote: I'm not sure what identifying means in this case, nor what identifies one method as British and the other as American. All the American books I've seen have indented paragraphs with no space between. --- RANT WARNING --- That's odd; when I was at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale I was told by several professors (I use the small 'p' deliberately) that Indented paragraphs were 'British' and unacceptable. I was also asked by one professor (of Old English, no less) why I couldn't spell English correctly! I remember on that day I hopped in the car and went out and sat with a friend of mine called Cletis Adams on the bench in front of his trailer and had a look at his soya beans: much nicer and less complicated sort of bloke than all 'them perfessers'. Oddly enough, he never objected or commented on my English! Mind you, I had a real run-in with 2 of the 3 members of my MA thesis committee who objected to my 'British' spelling. However a quick perusal of the Linguistic Society of America style manual (with which they were berating me) stated that 'any form of English was acceptable'. Needless to say, being the charming chap I am, I then wrote them a letter in Doric Scots (as the Linguistic Society of America defines Scots as a dialect of English rather than a separate language) telling them a few facts: after that they seemed to be content with my 'British' spelling. Certainly, I don't really care whether people want to adhere to North American, Australian or 'British' English as long as understanding is not blocked (must keep hoovering the carpet). - RANT ENDING - By 'identify' I will just quote from Bruce W. perry Applescript in a Nutshell, O'Reilly, 2001: page 426; paragraph an attribute run or chunk of text could contain one or more paragraphs, as is (count paragraphs of attribute run 1 of text of document 1). see the paragraph class. now in Runtime Revolution one can do this: put the number of words in fld fX but one cannot do this: put the number of paragraphs in fld fX sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the user's name under OSX
Scott - I didn't know about dscl either, but it seems to work here on 10.4.11 as well. Best, Mark On 19 Dec 2008, at 22:01, Scott Morrow wrote: Hello Gordy, Thanks for that. I was (am!) ignorant of dscl I'll continue looking for something (additional) that might work in earlier versions. -Scott On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Gordon Tillman wrote: Scott in 10.5 that information is stored in Directory Services. The dscl command is used to interact with that. For example: $ dscl . -read /Users/gordy RealName RealName: Gordon Tillman (that's me!) --gordy On Dec 19, 2008, at 06:07, Scott Morrow wrote: I'm trying to get the user's name under OSX. I can get the environment variable $USER but this only returns the user's short name. Any ideas for getting the full name? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hammering on about Paragraphs
On 20 Dec 2008, at 11:08, Richmond Mathewson ranted about some professors: Yet Richmond, despite your contempt for one professor who taught you about paragraphs, you repeat what he taught you as fact. What do you think that tells us? A quick look at various pieces of writing will show that both indented and block paragraphs are used in both countries in much the same way. I guess if Jacque were like yourself, she might conclude the traditional Scottish way to say thanks for some help is to offer a rant about the inadequacies of educational establishments. Cheers Dave (Sent after counting to 10) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:41, Randall Reetz wrote: I wish people would use the term xtalk when refering to this language its structure and lexicon both come intact from hypercard and smalltalk before that. Revenue is a great integration synthesis of xtalk and a cross platform runtime engines, but the language is xtalk all the way in. Seems only fair. No? No. Time for car analogies (N!!!): If someone comes to the car salesman, and says I'd want to buy a Lexus. Would you argue he'd be better off to say I'd want to buy any car? Xtalk is a loose description of types of languages, which includes hypercard as well as Rev. Of course the analogy will break down quickly if you ask 10 xtalk followers whether applescript is an xtalk language or not. Describing stuff is always hard, especially with the name trinity of RunRev marketing, but using xtalk for just one language will probably garner you some internet hate :) Have Fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the user's name under OSX
Hello Mark, Good to know. I was trying to populate the Name: field of a fake administrative password query dialog. I've since gone a different route and used an official Apple dialog (or dialogue for some) that takes care of this for me. However, I suspect I may yet have need of this again sometime. -Scott On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:20 AM, Mark Smith wrote: Scott - I didn't know about dscl either, but it seems to work here on 10.4.11 as well. Best, Mark On 19 Dec 2008, at 22:01, Scott Morrow wrote: Hello Gordy, Thanks for that. I was (am!) ignorant of dscl I'll continue looking for something (additional) that might work in earlier versions. -Scott On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:14 AM, Gordon Tillman wrote: Scott in 10.5 that information is stored in Directory Services. The dscl command is used to interact with that. For example: $ dscl . -read /Users/gordy RealName RealName: Gordon Tillman (that's me!) --gordy On Dec 19, 2008, at 06:07, Scott Morrow wrote: I'm trying to get the user's name under OSX. I can get the environment variable $USER but this only returns the user's short name. Any ideas for getting the full name? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hammering on about Paragraphs
. . . Traditional Scottish Rants . . . Well . . . I did warn you with 'barriers'. DEFENSIVE SECTION FOLLOWS I am not trying to rant about the inadequacies of educational establishments as a way of Thanking Jacque for her help: Her point about paragraphs was well taken. Also, as far as I am aware Jacque is not on either the Linguistics or English faculty at SIUC. What I did point out was that in Southern Illinois (even if nowhere else) there was a rather narrow definition of what constitutes good English. My experience of Professors, Readers, Senior Lecturers and Lecturers elsewhere is that they tend to have a broad, expansive, inclusive view of things. Certainly when I worked at the University of St Andrews the members of the Foreign Languages Department (with who I had considerable contact as my wife did her PhD with them) did not upset by different types of spelling and syntax (let alone grammar) within English. Of course one could point out that St Andrews is a top-class University, while SIUC is not quite up there. Having said that, Richard Rorty (NOT in the Linguistics or the English Dept) is there !!! --- END OF DEFENSIVE SECTION --- HOWEVER; if one is to introduce a PARAGRAPHS term into Runtime Revolution, surely, one first has to decide what constitutes a paragraph. There seem to be 2 types of ways of marking paragraphs prevalent in English: whether they are English, 'British', North American, or Ruritanian is, really, beside the point. Are we to detect paragraph breaks merely on the basis of TabKeyDowns or something else. Certainly TABS will only detect the indented type of paragraph. Of course, one could be pedantic and insist on paragraphs being only of one type. However, that would be useless if one wanted to write a general text analysis tool that could cope with whatever text was fed into it. --- WEAKLY HUMOUROUS SECTION STARTS --- Some people might realise, if they stopped and thought for a moment that anybody who sections his/her use-list postings with odd lines like this -- might be making gentle fun of him/her/itself. And references to terms that mean different things in different dialects of English (vacuum cleaners - geddit ?) might act as a further signal to anybody but the most blinkered among the native speakers. --- END OF WEAKLY HUMOUROUS SECTION --- I, for one, am gently unwinding at the end of an extremely heavy and stressful year. I hope that everybody who reads this is doing likewise. I hope that everyone has a peaceful, relaxing and reflective end to the year, regardless of their religious affiliation or lack thereof. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
OK, I'll bite. What is your Christian metaphor? Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: PS. And if you think that is bad ask for my metaphor using Christianity! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hammering on about Paragraphs
In my view, the problem with paragraphs is, that it's a style, not a chunk. Therefore everyone can easily claim to do it right, and that others do it wrongly. As for paragraph support within Rev: As Paragraphs are styled and not chunks, they should be supported within Fields. And they are indeed, using the FirstIntent property, every line turns into it's own paragraph, as it is usual in text editors. To get the sub-lines of these paragraphs, one can use the formattedText. Of course there's also a paragraph break char in Unicode, but I haven't tested it's effect on Rev fields. Have Fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hammering on about Paragraphs
Also, you can get the htmlText and count p to get the number of paragraphs in a field. As for formatting you can insert a #9; after each p tag to insert an indent. Just a thought. Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Dec 20, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: In my view, the problem with paragraphs is, that it's a style, not a chunk. Therefore everyone can easily claim to do it right, and that others do it wrongly. As for paragraph support within Rev: As Paragraphs are styled and not chunks, they should be supported within Fields. And they are indeed, using the FirstIntent property, every line turns into it's own paragraph, as it is usual in text editors. To get the sub-lines of these paragraphs, one can use the formattedText. Of course there's also a paragraph break char in Unicode, but I haven't tested it's effect on Rev fields. Have Fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Guy Kawasaki on AM Coast to Coast
Guy Kawasaki and aliens! I'll bet he's probably not going to talk about Apple that much... the weekend? That means Art Bell himself might be doing the show. I hope so. Looks like AM Coast to Coast, the radio program famous for hosting guests who are experts on UFOs, bigfoot, and all manner of conspiracy theories, comes down to earth a bit Saturday night when the guest is Guy Kawasaki: Saturday, December 20 -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
This is the best Richmond post ever! I see Runtime Revolution as, in some way, resembling Hinduism: sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] If programming languages were religions...
Thomas McGrath III wrote: OK, I'll bite. What is your Christian metaphor? And this is where I have to admit that I don't really have a Christian metaphor; although with a bit of thought I could put one together. Just re-reading A History of Heresy (David Christie-Murray, Oxford, 1989 - ISBN 0-19-285210-8), which very much put me in mind of Hypercard and so on. Mind you the inventor of SERF might get a bit cheesed-off if I describe him as the xTalk equivalent of Valentinus! Also, Hinduism has a huge advantage over Christianity insofar as one can generally talk about the schools of thought that subsist within that wonderful system without having to get too personal (Hmm, well up to a point). In Christianity most developments after the initial East-West schism (no, I don't mean the Orthodox-Roman split) seem very much connected with individuals who people still get considerably worked-up about. There is, also, within Christianity nothing quite like the Monist/Semi-Monist/Dualist thing that bedevils Hinduism. It should, perhaps, be pointed out here that Hinduism is, generally, more tolerant than Christianity insofar as the concept of Heresy doesn't really exist, and, as far as I am aware, no Hindu has been killed for having differing beliefs from that of another Hindu. Therefore, I believe that the metaphor of Runtime Revolution as a sort of Hinduism holds up reasonably well, while an equivalent metaphor of Runtime Revolution as a sort of Christianity would not. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
Ok, this seems reasonable. Still I really liked the Hinduism metaphor. It is a classic. Thanks Tom McGrath III Lazy River Software 3mcgr...@comcast.net iTunes Library Suite - libITS Information and download can be found on this page: http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html On Dec 20, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Therefore, I believe that the metaphor of Runtime Revolution as a sort of Hinduism holds up reasonably well, while an equivalent metaphor of Runtime Revolution as a sort of Christianity would not. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hammering on about Paragraphs
Thomas McGrath III wrote: As for formatting you can insert a #9; after each p tag to insert an indent. See also the firstIndent field property in the Rev dictionary: Use the firstIndent property to created indented paragraphs. Value: The firstIndent of a field is an integer. By default, the firstIndent property of newly created fields is set to zero. Comments: The first line of each paragraph is left-indented the specified number of pixels. If the firstIndent is zero, the field's paragraphs are not indented. If the firstIndent is negative, the first line of each paragraph is outdented the specified number of pixels, creating a hanging indent. (It may be necessary to increase the field's leftMargin property to accommodate the hanging indent.) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Hammering on about Paragraphs
Richmond Mathewson wrote: What I did point out was that in Southern Illinois (even if nowhere else) there was a rather narrow definition of what constitutes good English. Easily resolved by looking at some American-printed books on Amazon, for example. I'm surprised this professor was so uninformed. Are we to detect paragraph breaks merely on the basis of TabKeyDowns or something else. Certainly TABS will only detect the indented type of paragraph. In Revolution, paragraphs are equivalent to lines. Just get the number of lines in a field and you will have the number of paragraphs. In the case where there are empty lines between paragraphs, you can filter the content without empty and then get the number of lines of the filtered content, if that's what you need. In rare cases, such as when importing certain text documents, there may be a return character at the end of every visible line; these are hard wrapped lines that don't represent true paragraphs. If the text has empty lines between actual, visual paragraphs, you can do some fairly simple replacements to remove the hard line endings. If the text does not have empty lines between visual paragraphs, it's a bigger challenge. I've written a best-guess algorithm to deal with that situation for one of my stacks. It isn't perfect. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Hammering on about Paragraphs
JLG wrote: I'm surprised this professor was so uninformed. Gosh! -- IT'S RANT TIME AGAIN -- I have a bachelor's degree from a top University (Durham, England), an M.A. from SIUC, and an MSc from a place in my own country (Scotland) which was set up by Tony Blair and his merry men when they determined that 80% of school leavers should go to 'University'. Apart from the obvious jokes about a downward slide and my getting a PhD from a telephone booth: While at 'that place' I had to attend lectures on Visual Basic 5 where the teacher was trying to teach concepts my Maths teacher taught me when I was 14 (1976) with only the benefit of a chalkboard and one of those horrible machines where you had to tie your fingers in knots to punch Hollerith cards. She got annoyed because I spent most of the lectures sitting at the back working out program schemata on paper and doing the odd calculation with my slide-rule. This lecturer was just about the same age as me; she had a BSc from the Open University (England) and an 'in-house' MSc from 'that place', yet she: failed to explain what a FOR . . . NEXT loop was [well, unless all the other students on the MSc course were incredibly stupid - as about 90% of them asked here to explain it again], didn't know what my slide-rule was. Having previously worked, and lectured (in Phonetics) at the University of St Andrews I was blown away by 'that place'. I bought a supplement to a computer magazine called something like Microsoft Excel for Baboons; and found it extremely useful as the lecturers who were teaching us how to use Excel [this was, after all, for an MSc in IT and computing] made little or no sense to me or many of my fellow students. Quite a few students who had come over to get MSc's from India told me that they had also learned what was being peddled as MSc stuff in their first year in High School (i.e. about 2 years younger than when I learnt it). Most of them went back home to India after the first term. -- One of the most classic moments was when I got so cheesed-off with VB that I duplicated all the Homework exercises in Runtime Revolution: then was told that VB 5 was superior because it was Windows native as if that justified everything. - RANT ENDED - And the lesson is: Not all Educational Institutions are created equal! and further to that: some Universities have bad departments that milk individuals and grant-aiding bodies for socially approved courses as a way of financing a few high-profile courses that will attract kudos to the institution. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT: Apple Announces Its Last Year at Macworld
My dissatisfaction with IDG probably dates to when the lackluster MacWorld magazine bought out the much better MacUser magazine, decimated its staff and removed all the useful content. It didn't help matters much to see fellow developers no longer able to/interested in shelling out big bucks for small booths at MacWorld Expo, and the prices of those booths rising year after year. Nor having the developers section in a separate ghetto for a few years, then finally dropped altogether. I do blame IDG for the smaller size of trade shows over the last few years, due to the high barrier of entry. Yes...the two 'zines I miss are MacUser and MacWeek. MacWeek was the industry zine, equivalent to the current 'eweek' which previously was PCWeek. Prices are just nuts for shows. Usually a 10x10 space is going to run you over $5K, and that's for an empty spot. I helped put together a showing at a MacWorld about five years ago, and just internet access for the three odd days cost $1,000! And unless your booth can be assembled by a small pygmy child, you were told you had to use expensive union labor (at the time, at about $70-80 an hour). Personally, my dealings with IDG in trying to set up user resources have been dismal. I'm quite happy to see Apple pull the plug. IDG has gotten into pissing contests with Steve Jobs before, and there's only one outcome from that. I made some effort to try to get us a Birds of a Feather set up, but they provide no feedback until the very last minute with a sorry, can't do it message. I had several clients back around '96-98 that actually made more than enough money on the floor of Macworld for it to be profitable - covering all transport, set up, etc. There used to be a lot of really big booths then, not just ones belonging to Apple/Adobe/Microsoft. There seems to come a time where, within an industry, everyone knows about what the margins are for everyone else. Then the gatekeepers begin to raise their rates, up to the point where its no longer clear if the effort is even remotely worth doing. Somehow Mark, I just knew you would reply to my post - I was just thinking last night they ought to can Apple's keynote this year and get Mark to do it :-) Then maybe it would get back to being about the Mac and not the forthcoming year's multicolored iPod accessories... Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
latest beta GLx2
I believe Revolution management needs to do some explaining. I am a licensed user of the current version of enterprise. With this you have the list for developers who use Enterprise and like this list you can post messages in the same way. About a month ago I posted a message on that list and it was held back saying only list members can post. I have signed up for this list as required to access it and complained about the last message I posted. Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. Your mail to 'improve-revolution' with the subject latest beta GLx2 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/confirm/improve-revolution/ f9c3614dfd9a778bb266f3ce70d7a3a61a44b4df I am posting this here since it obviously didn't work to complain before. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
Wrong email address for you is on record in the Rev database. Nothing personal. It's a bot. Ask Heather to fix it. I believe Revolution management needs to do some explaining. I am a licensed user of the current version of enterprise. With this you have the list for developers who use Enterprise and like this list you can post messages in the same way. About a month ago I posted a message on that list and it was held back saying only list members can post. I have signed up for this list as required to access it and complained about the last message I posted. Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. Your mail to 'improve-revolution' with the subject latest beta GLx2 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/confirm/improve-revolution/f9c3614dfd9a778bb266f3ce70d7a3a61a44b4df I am posting this here since it obviously didn't work to complain before. -=JB=- -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
post about GLx2
Here is the message I was trying to post about GLx2 and tthe latest Rev beta. ++ I just updated to the latest Rev beta. I use GLx2 script editor and it will not work with the latest Rev beta on and OS X 10.4.11. I updated to the latest version of GLx2 and the latest beta of GLx2 but it still will not work. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
I asked the last time and this is another way of asking informing since the previous method did not work for over a month now. -=JB=- On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: Wrong email address for you is on record in the Rev database. Nothing personal. It's a bot. Ask Heather to fix it. I believe Revolution management needs to do some explaining. I am a licensed user of the current version of enterprise. With this you have the list for developers who use Enterprise and like this list you can post messages in the same way. About a month ago I posted a message on that list and it was held back saying only list members can post. I have signed up for this list as required to access it and complained about the last message I posted. Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. - --- Your mail to 'improve-revolution' with the subject latest beta GLx2 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/confirm/improve-revolution/ f9c3614dfd9a778bb266f3ce70d7a3a61a44b4df - --- I am posting this here since it obviously didn't work to complain before. -=JB=- -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
On 21 Dec 2008, at 02:01, -= JB =- wrote: Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. You have a support issue. If there's any problem at all, or beef you got with Rev, then always mail support. This list is foremost a customer community forum. It's rarely looked at by any RunRev staffers, and normally only when they get noticed by comunity members that things aren't as smooth as usual. Now guess how comunity members do that? By mailing to support: supp...@runrev.com Remember to have fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
I have complained to support about problems with my Enterprise capabilities since last February. At what point in your life do you decide that method does not work? -=JB=- On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: On 21 Dec 2008, at 02:01, -= JB =- wrote: Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. You have a support issue. If there's any problem at all, or beef you got with Rev, then always mail support. This list is foremost a customer community forum. It's rarely looked at by any RunRev staffers, and normally only when they get noticed by comunity members that things aren't as smooth as usual. Now guess how comunity members do that? By mailing to support: supp...@runrev.com Remember to have fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Remember to have fun Björnke -- Remember Change has come to America and if they get enough change they might have a dollar. -=JB=-___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
That's odd. I've never had a problem getting a response from support-- might take a few hours (time zone, ya know) but Heather is very good about responding. Did you try resending your query? On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:04 PM, -= JB =- wrote: I have complained to support about problems with my Enterprise capabilities since last February. At what point in your life do you decide that method does not work? -=JB=- On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: On 21 Dec 2008, at 02:01, -= JB =- wrote: Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. You have a support issue. If there's any problem at all, or beef you got with Rev, then always mail support. This list is foremost a customer community forum. It's rarely looked at by any RunRev staffers, and normally only when they get noticed by comunity members that things aren't as smooth as usual. Now guess how comunity members do that? By mailing to support: supp...@runrev.com Remember to have fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
Heather has been good and fixed things a number of times and then something else happens. My complaints are not with Heather since she has fixed my level of access numerous times. -=JB=- On Dec 20, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote: That's odd. I've never had a problem getting a response from support--might take a few hours (time zone, ya know) but Heather is very good about responding. Did you try resending your query? On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:04 PM, -= JB =- wrote: I have complained to support about problems with my Enterprise capabilities since last February. At what point in your life do you decide that method does not work? -=JB=- On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: On 21 Dec 2008, at 02:01, -= JB =- wrote: Now I am still not being provided the same benefits as other Enterprise users which was advertised as part of the purchase. You have a support issue. If there's any problem at all, or beef you got with Rev, then always mail support. This list is foremost a customer community forum. It's rarely looked at by any RunRev staffers, and normally only when they get noticed by comunity members that things aren't as smooth as usual. Now guess how comunity members do that? By mailing to support: supp...@runrev.com Remember to have fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: post about GLx2
JB, 1. Did you know we have a support site for GLX2? We do. Link is in my signature below. Please post reports there going forward. 2. We have a large number of users with the configuration you note. GLX2 works for them. So it must be something about your installation or environment. 3. it will not work is not really a bug report. We need to be able to replicate a problem before we can fix it. Could you post the detail of what you mean by will not work and what led up to it not working? Also any error messages would be very helpful. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels Mara, Inc. Makers of GLX2 http://www.glx2.com On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:05 PM, -= JB =- wrote: Here is the message I was trying to post about GLx2 and tthe latest Rev beta. ++ I just updated to the latest Rev beta. I use GLx2 script editor and it will not work with the latest Rev beta on and OS X 10.4.11. I updated to the latest version of GLx2 and the latest beta of GLx2 but it still will not work. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [OT] If programming languages were religions...
I think all if you have drank a bit too much of the rev coolaid. This dicussion was about Languages with a capital L. Comparing rev on the same level with C is like comparing Islam with sarah palin's local prayer house. Lets be reasonable please. -Original Message- From: Björnke von Gierke b...@mac.com To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: 12/20/2008 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [OT] If programming languages were religions... On 20 Dec 2008, at 04:41, Randall Reetz wrote: I wish people would use the term xtalk when refering to this language its structure and lexicon both come intact from hypercard and smalltalk before that. Revenue is a great integration synthesis of xtalk and a cross platform runtime engines, but the language is xtalk all the way in. Seems only fair. No? No. Time for car analogies (N!!!): If someone comes to the car salesman, and says I'd want to buy a Lexus. Would you argue he'd be better off to say I'd want to buy any car? Xtalk is a loose description of types of languages, which includes hypercard as well as Rev. Of course the analogy will break down quickly if you ask 10 xtalk followers whether applescript is an xtalk language or not. Describing stuff is always hard, especially with the name trinity of RunRev marketing, but using xtalk for just one language will probably garner you some internet hate :) Have Fun Björnke -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/stacks/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: latest beta GLx2
On Dec 20, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Remember to have fun Björnke -- Bernard Madoff with everyones money and Michael stoie the Chertoff their back. -=JB=- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
