Re: PNG transparency woes

2009-01-23 Thread Chipp Walters
Hugh,
For some reason, if there are not enough colors in a picture, rev saves the
image in 8-bit PNG instead of 32-bit PNG. That could be your problem.
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Re: stupid question

2009-01-23 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the quick response. Friday evening is usually pretty slow,  
and real late where you are. I was hoping that I could create a stack  
that showed a bunch of different things and allowed browsers to go to  
different cards that had different things displayed, choosing to buy  
some; you know - the whole shopping experience, but contained within a  
Rev stack; and that that stack could somehow be "whooshed off" to a  
server someplace from whence shoppers would be able to use it. I know  
I could create a stack or even a standalone that did all the things I  
want it to do, but then how would buyers get their greedy little hands  
on it to use it? It would take too long to download, since stacks of  
that sort - with lots of pictures - would be huge, so downloading is  
not an option. It really is/was a stupid question, I guess, if you are  
able to read my mind to see how simple I want things to be. (enormous  
smile!) Looks like I'll have to conform and do it the way everyone  
else is doing it.


Thanks once again,

Joe Wilkins

On Jan 23, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:


Hi Joe,

Sure, it is very well possible to create website with Revolution.  
There are several people on this list who use Rev CGI to serve a  
dynamic website. Although I use PHP increasingly often, I have used  
Revolution in several cases to create static websites, such as  and . This one  is powered by Rev CGI.


I have also created a simple html editor for a client. In  
combination with revBrowser, it is a very nice little tool. Btw I  
still use HyperCard to create simple file lists when I want to share  
some files on-line without making a site. There is also Rev On  
Rockets (is that the name?) by André, which is a complete server. I  
made a similar tool, but that was for serving a particular database.


Generally, I think that most people create a template and fill  
either dynamically using Rev CGI or with a Rev-based tool to create  
a static website. Even if Rev is used as an actualy web server,  
people probably still use a template to fill that dynamically.


Filling out a template is simple. Just make a file similar to



***



Read this template from a text file and replace *** with the content  
of your site. Now send the modified data to the requesting client.


Now you probably need to decide whether you want to set up a Rev- 
based server with a dynamic website or want to create a static  
website with Revolution which you upload to a server...


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Op 24-jan-2009, om 2:20 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
geschreven:



Hi all,

I don't even know how to ask this question; but it seems to me that  
we have all the tools we need in Rev to create websites. I see  
postings about different ones of you using HTML and XHTML for some  
of your projects. Is that what you're doing? I searched the Users  
Guide for the words "website" and "webpage" and got nothing except  
for one reference to the Rev website. I've done some webpages using  
AppleWorks a very long time ago, and I understand the basics of  
HTML and CSS; but a great multi-media app such as Rev should make  
doing some pretty outstanding things a piece of cake. I just  
haven't run into the "how to do it" for this sort of thing as yet.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins

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Re: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash?

2009-01-23 Thread Phil Davis
Thanks for posting this! I had forgotten how absolutely magical the Mac 
was at the time (even with its 512 x 384 screen!). I came to the Mac 
after a dozen years or so of mainframe systems development - traded in 
my COBOL, PL/1 & JCL for HyperCard & Pascal.


Thanks -
Phil Davis



Judy Perry wrote:

OMG, eyeballs and all!

You  know, I still have those eyeballs -- there's a version for OS X. 
The Mad Mac Doctor recently related on the Hypercard list how, many 
years ago, he had a client who thought that the eyeballs were in fact 
a somewhat lower part of the human anatomy of a specific gender.  I 
about blew orange juice out my nose laughing at it.


Judy

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

do you mean this   http://myoldmac.net/webse-e.htm


Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash? (23-Jan-2009 23:53)
From:Judy Perry 
To:  runrev260...@m-r-d.de


Inasmuch as tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of the introduction of
Macintosh, I am wondering if anybody knows off the top of their 
heads the
URL for the site that has what I think is a Flash-based booting of 
the Mac

(circa system 6 maybe?)?
I've tried googling but apparently am not using the right search 
terms.  I

think that the site was in Germany.

Anybody have any ideas?

Kindest thanks,

Judy
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Re: stupid question

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Schonewille

Hi Joe,

Sure, it is very well possible to create website with Revolution.  
There are several people on this list who use Rev CGI to serve a  
dynamic website. Although I use PHP increasingly often, I have used  
Revolution in several cases to create static websites, such as  
 and . This  
one  is powered by Rev CGI.


I have also created a simple html editor for a client. In combination  
with revBrowser, it is a very nice little tool. Btw I still use  
HyperCard to create simple file lists when I want to share some files  
on-line without making a site. There is also Rev On Rockets (is that  
the name?) by André, which is a complete server. I made a similar  
tool, but that was for serving a particular database.


Generally, I think that most people create a template and fill either  
dynamically using Rev CGI or with a Rev-based tool to create a static  
website. Even if Rev is used as an actualy web server, people  
probably still use a template to fill that dynamically.


Filling out a template is simple. Just make a file similar to



***



Read this template from a text file and replace *** with the content  
of your site. Now send the modified data to the requesting client.


Now you probably need to decide whether you want to set up a Rev- 
based server with a dynamic website or want to create a static  
website with Revolution which you upload to a server...


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Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz


P.S. You don't win the prize for most stupid question of the day ;-)

Op 24-jan-2009, om 2:20 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven:


Hi all,

I don't even know how to ask this question; but it seems to me that  
we have all the tools we need in Rev to create websites. I see  
postings about different ones of you using HTML and XHTML for some  
of your projects. Is that what you're doing? I searched the Users  
Guide for the words "website" and "webpage" and got nothing except  
for one reference to the Rev website. I've done some webpages using  
AppleWorks a very long time ago, and I understand the basics of  
HTML and CSS; but a great multi-media app such as Rev should make  
doing some pretty outstanding things a piece of cake. I just  
haven't run into the "how to do it" for this sort of thing as yet.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins



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stupid question

2009-01-23 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins

Hi all,

I don't even know how to ask this question; but it seems to me that we  
have all the tools we need in Rev to create websites. I see postings  
about different ones of you using HTML and XHTML for some of your  
projects. Is that what you're doing? I searched the Users Guide for  
the words "website" and "webpage" and got nothing except for one  
reference to the Rev website. I've done some webpages using AppleWorks  
a very long time ago, and I understand the basics of HTML and CSS; but  
a great multi-media app such as Rev should make doing some pretty  
outstanding things a piece of cake. I just haven't run into the "how  
to do it" for this sort of thing as yet.


TIA,

Joe Wilkins
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Re: any way to detect condition "connected to ISP but not internet"?

2009-01-23 Thread Alex Tweedly

Andre Garzia wrote:

we can use the load command in async mode and check the status... it
should timeout right?

  

right. maybe.

(remember there's a lot of speculation on my part, about this being a 
DNS problem )


Although the load url ... with callback is intended to be non-blocking, 
there may be a difficulty. I'm sure it uses sockets and the socket async 
mode to be non-blocking - and I suspect the problem is an OS call to 
DNSresolve() [or similar] which is happens before the scket/TCP open, 
and which is blocking. Since this affects (even) a browser, I worry it 
would also affect Rev - so it might just result in a blocked process. 
(and even if it's not DNS, whatever it is fails within a browser, so may 
fail similarly within Rev)


To feel safe, I'd want to do the network check in a separate process, 
and have a fail-safe mechanism within the real app (i.e. it detects 
failure rather than waiting for it). So I'd use a backgrounded shell 
command which creates a temp file, and have the real app check for that 
file being created/updated. Could be a ping shell command, or a small 
standalone which loads a url, or anything similar - as long as it's a 
separate process.


-- Alex.
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Re: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash?

2009-01-23 Thread Judy Perry

OMG, eyeballs and all!

You  know, I still have those eyeballs -- there's a version for OS X. 
The Mad Mac Doctor recently related on the Hypercard list how, many years 
ago, he had a client who thought that the eyeballs were in fact a somewhat 
lower part of the human anatomy of a specific gender.  I about blew orange 
juice out my nose laughing at it.


Judy

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

do you mean this   http://myoldmac.net/webse-e.htm


Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash? (23-Jan-2009 23:53)
From:Judy Perry 
To:  runrev260...@m-r-d.de


Inasmuch as tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of the introduction of
Macintosh, I am wondering if anybody knows off the top of their heads the
URL for the site that has what I think is a Flash-based booting of the Mac
(circa system 6 maybe?)?
I've tried googling but apparently am not using the right search terms.  I
think that the site was in Germany.

Anybody have any ideas?

Kindest thanks,

Judy
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Re: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash?

2009-01-23 Thread Judy Perry

Mattias,

The front-end of the page looks different, but, yes, I think this is what 
I was remembering!


And I'm so glad I checked using this other subscription address, as the 
original plea was sent out using a gmail account, in which I see neither 
my email to the list nor your reply to it!


Thank you so much for this link!

Best regards,

Judy

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, runrev260...@m-r-d.de wrote:


Hi,

do you mean this   http://myoldmac.net/webse-e.htm


Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash? (23-Jan-2009 23:53)
From:Judy Perry 
To:  runrev260...@m-r-d.de


Inasmuch as tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of the introduction of
Macintosh, I am wondering if anybody knows off the top of their heads the
URL for the site that has what I think is a Flash-based booting of the Mac
(circa system 6 maybe?)?
I've tried googling but apparently am not using the right search terms.  I
think that the site was in Germany.

Anybody have any ideas?

Kindest thanks,

Judy
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread Dick Kriesel
Users who agree could vote for QCC enhancement 1565.

-- Dick

On 1/23/09 1:30 PM, "J. Landman Gay"  wrote:

> What I'd really like to see is the debugger built directly into the
> engine so that we could use a keyboard combination to break into the
> debugger during runtime.


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Re: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash?

2009-01-23 Thread runrev260805
Hi,

do you mean this   http://myoldmac.net/webse-e.htm


Regards,

Matthias

 Original Message 
Subject: OT: online Mac System 6 Flash? (23-Jan-2009 23:53)
From:Judy Perry 
To:  runrev260...@m-r-d.de

> Inasmuch as tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of the introduction of
> Macintosh, I am wondering if anybody knows off the top of their heads the
> URL for the site that has what I think is a Flash-based booting of the Mac
> (circa system 6 maybe?)?
> I've tried googling but apparently am not using the right search terms.  I
> think that the site was in Germany.
> 
> Anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Kindest thanks,
> 
> Judy
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OT: online Mac System 6 Flash?

2009-01-23 Thread Judy Perry
Inasmuch as tomorrow marks the 25th anniversary of the introduction of
Macintosh, I am wondering if anybody knows off the top of their heads the
URL for the site that has what I think is a Flash-based booting of the Mac
(circa system 6 maybe?)?
I've tried googling but apparently am not using the right search terms.  I
think that the site was in Germany.

Anybody have any ideas?

Kindest thanks,

Judy
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread Bernard Devlin
Hi Jacqueline, I wasn't looking to turn this thread around into
looking at the specific problems I had with Rev 2.9-3.0 in June to
October 2008.  I tried all manner of logging, and even sent multiple
crash logs to runrev.com.  None of the information that I could get
could lead to any indication of the causes of the crashes.  In the end
I gave up on using Rev on Windows and Linux and just use it on OS X.

I think that in order to solve difficult unreproduceable problems like
Camm29 is referring to, we need to have debug logging built into the
engine.  In the cases I was suffering from, even having debugging
built into the the runtime would not help, as Rev was crashing
(apparently) randomly.

Bernard

On 1/23/09, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> Bernard Devlin wrote:
>> Perhaps this is another instance where a debug-logging engine would
>> produce
>> information that would lead to a speedier identification of the problem?
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7237
>
> What I'd really like to see is the debugger built directly into the
> engine so that we could use a keyboard combination to break into the
> debugger during runtime.
>
> At any rate, did you try turning on Windows crash reporting in prefs? I
> think that's supposed to provide the info your enhancement addresses.
>
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread J. Landman Gay

Bernard Devlin wrote:

Perhaps this is another instance where a debug-logging engine would produce
information that would lead to a speedier identification of the problem?
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7237


What I'd really like to see is the debugger built directly into the 
engine so that we could use a keyboard combination to break into the 
debugger during runtime.


At any rate, did you try turning on Windows crash reporting in prefs? I 
think that's supposed to provide the info your enhancement addresses.


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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread Bernard Devlin
Perhaps this is another instance where a debug-logging engine would produce
information that would lead to a speedier identification of the problem?
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7237

Bernard

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>  So, why doesn't RunRev provide a version of the Standalone builder that
>> dumps a trace to a log file?
>>
>
> I asked one of the engineers about this today. There is no SB prepared that
> includes logging at present. But the consensus was that it wouldn't help
> anyway. The Standalone Builder is just a stack like any other, and since it
> seems the script is aborting for some reason, any scripted logging would
> abort too. That would tell us where the process left off, of course, but we
> already know where that happens, given the file that is left in RAM. I asked
> the engineer to rebuild the sample stack yet again today and it still builds
> fine for him, as it has for everyone else who's tried it.
>
> At any rate, he has offered to look at Steve's actual production stack. I
> will be sending instructions privately on how to get the file to RR if Steve
> is willing. They will try it at no charge to him.
>
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread J. Landman Gay

Dave wrote:

So, why doesn't RunRev provide a version of the Standalone builder that 
dumps a trace to a log file?


I asked one of the engineers about this today. There is no SB prepared 
that includes logging at present. But the consensus was that it wouldn't 
help anyway. The Standalone Builder is just a stack like any other, and 
since it seems the script is aborting for some reason, any scripted 
logging would abort too. That would tell us where the process left off, 
of course, but we already know where that happens, given the file that 
is left in RAM. I asked the engineer to rebuild the sample stack yet 
again today and it still builds fine for him, as it has for everyone 
else who's tried it.


At any rate, he has offered to look at Steve's actual production stack. 
I will be sending instructions privately on how to get the file to RR if 
Steve is willing. They will try it at no charge to him.


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RE: PNG transparency woes

2009-01-23 Thread Hugh Senior
Thank you Richmond. I shall follow up your leads. IrfanView is,
nevertheless, a very fine and useful bit of kit on win32 for quick n' dirty
img manipulation... Just wish it did png transpanecies that rev can
understand!

/H


I mainly work with Mac and Linux; however, I do, from time to time,
pop together things for Windows.

My experience is that (in the Open Source/FREE world to which IrfanView
belongs) GIMP consistently produces PNG files that maintain their
transparency regardless of which platform one is punting them to in
Runtime Revolution stacks/standalones.

GIMP for Windows:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

Windows-oriented friends of mine tell me that paint.net is also
a good thing:

http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.

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Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Dave wrote:

"Well, actually I wouldn't care cos I'd have already sucked em from  
somewhere else! rofl!'

Love you too!

Makes 'sucker' take on almost positive connotations.

I'm having 9 days' holiday, so expect more nausea.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

If someone were sucking resources from your software application
which you worked very hard on for many weeks to enrich themselves
at your expense, I think you would not be a happy programmer.


Well, actually I wouldn't care cos I'd have already sucked em from  
somewhere else! rofl!


All the Best
Dave


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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread stephen barncard
No need to open it at all, as the contents are readily available
through the file system pathnames and dialogs.

2009/1/23 Dave :
> Hi,
>
> No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will see "Open
> package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could cause all
> kinds of other problems.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 23 Jan 2009, at 10:53, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> If one removes the .app suffix from a Mac OS X application both
>> the Finder and Runtime Revolution will see it as a folder.
>>
>> It is now possible to import images, sounds and so forth into
>> a stack.
>>
>> Of course, this is not possible with a .rsrc file. If its
>> suffix is removed the Finder sees it as a plain text file.
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.
>>
>> 
>>
>> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life
>> Cycle.
>> 
>>
>>
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[ANN]

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Smith
I've updated my HMAC-SHA1 library to include sha-224 and sha-256 hash  
and hmac functions - I've also tweaked it for a little bit more  
performance and to enable the hashing of files on disc.


In celebration of this momentous occasion which eclipses all (Obama  
who?), I've renamed it libHash-Hmac, and made it version 2.0. - it  
now requires Rev 3.0.


It's at

http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html

Best,

Mark
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Re: externals

2009-01-23 Thread Randall Lee Reetz

hours
I think the "real time" requirement is too demanding; a suitable  
time scale for scanning file events must be found that compromises  
between reliability and system availibility.


best regards,
François



This is THE big bugaboo in computing today... how to deal TOO much  
information, to deal TOO much interaction, with heterogeneous multi- 
node (and multi-core) processing environments running multiple  
simultaneous and competing but interdependent processes in real  
time.  Gone are the days of protected isolated single process single  
entity programming.  Thank god!  It is way past time we started  
building living systems of great and increasing complexity.  That  
will mean programming towards fail-safe algorithms that expect  
unknown conditions and (off the scale) parameters.   A fire hose of  
data should not in and of itself present a problem... just means one  
has to learn to write their interface to that stream in such a way as  
to sample the data as per available processing and storage  
resources... it means writing code that ignores data that it can not  
handle and drinks in data when it can.  Let the fire hoses run!  How  
great to have the problem of too much data!  That we would have to  
learn how to deal with this problem is such a luxury.  We have to  
this point lived such a simple and boring life of exclusion and  
forced simplicity. It is a shock to connected to a world too rich and  
complex for our usual methods.  A shock to be relished.  A new  
challenge.  But it forces a new flexibility to our algorithms, a new  
way of living within and part of a larger and unpredictable system.


Before Quicktime came around, I was working on a way to show a series  
of image frames as video.  The problem was that computers were not  
always (mostly not) capable of keeping up with the processing demands  
of displaying these images as quickly as required by the frame rate  
required.  At the same time, many people faced with this challenge,  
chose to work on reducing the data load (compression, frame size,  
even frame rate).  Instead I just wrote a little repeat loop that  
said, "what time is it?  What ratio of time has passed vs. the  
duration of the film clip I am playing?  I will just show that frame  
that corresponds to that same ratio of all of the frames in this  
clip."  Simple!  This solution works independent to machine capacity  
and frame rate and frame size and resolution and color depth, etc.


This is the kind of thinking required in this new connected and  
networked world where what my code must work with and beside is not  
knowable before it is run.  In stead of actively restricting our  
environment, we must instead choose algorithms that welcome the  
unknowable.  Too much data?  Cool!  To much interaction with unknown  
entities with unknown agendas?  Even better.  We have till this point  
lived in an information and interaction impoverished world... it  
would be ridiculous if our reaction to this new connected and data  
rich environment to choose self-imposed isolation and avoidance.


Turn all the fire hoses on!   And now that they are, lets learn how  
to get the most of this wild new world of access and potential!


Randall


On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:21 AM, François Chaplais wrote:



Le 23 janv. 09 à 11:31, Thierry a écrit :


Hi  Randall,

Here is a reposting of a link to a page describing the files  
system events reporter fslogger:

http://osxbook.com/software/fslogger/

If anyone has the inkling or the hankering to fuse this source  
into an external for xTalk on the Mac...

please please please let me know.




From fslogger Doc :

Caveat:

The interface that fslogger uses is private to Apple.
Currently, there is a caveat regarding the use of this interface  
by third parties (including fslogger).  <.>
fslogger is meant to be a learning tool. If you use it, you must  
understand the aforementioned caveat.

---

I had a look at the C source, and will be able to do a quick  
external Demo, but with the information above,
well, it seems a bit of a tricky path to go there !  What do you  
think ?


Regards,
Thierry



from what I have read, fslogger relies on a private API which is  
used by spotlight. On the other hand, FSEvent, I think, is a public  
API. I think it is interesting to have a look on a review of Time  
Machine

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/14
which (Time Machine), incidentally, relies on FSEvents. The  
interesting part lies in the compromises that the Apple engineers  
had to made in order
a) not constantly monitoring the file system activity, which can  
bring the system to a virtual halt
b) select the right granularity both in time and in files to have a  
working backup which does not fill the backup disk in a few hours
I think the "real time" requirement is too demanding; a suitable  
time scale for scanning file events must be found that compromises  
between reliability and sy

Stack Conditions for Exporting card data

2009-01-23 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon

Hi from Paris,

I'm trying to identify stack structures that can exist, with the object
of developing MY standard Data Export/Import functions, if the stack
structure permits. The object of this function is to drop onto "certain"
stacks, a few buttons which will allow Export/Import functions to  
standalone

stacks, to render them dynamically "updateable".

A simple Data Export function such as I am creating, would
be permissible (for the majority of MY stacks)in the following cases :

1 - A stack containing "n" data cards, with a single group defined
for these cards, and declared as a background,

2 - A stack containing "n" data cards, as in case 1, but preceded
by one or more "Header" cards, whose information content
does not interest me in the export function.

Information readily available (that I know of) is :

the number of cards in the stack,
the number of groups in each card,
the number of backgrounds in a stack,
the groupIDs on each card.

I could assume that any "front" cards of a stack containing
"0" groups could be considered as header cards, and could
be ignored in the Export function.
By examining the LAST card of a stack, I could check if it
contained a single group, and check to see if its background
behaviour was "true", unless of course, I check all the cards
of the stack to get their background behaviour status.
I can get the backgroundNames of a stack and ensure that
there is only one background within the stack.
I can check the groupID of each card to ensure that the same
group ID (i.e. background) is used within all the cards.

However, I am not convinced that these checks will guarantee
either of the two stack structures I wish to "accept" in my Data
Export/import function.

Questions :

Are there any possible tests I didn't see ?
Are there any global system values that can provide interesting
information which can help me in this area ?
Has anybody got any ideas about how to improve my analysis ?
Has anybody solved the Export/Import problem for standalone stacks
with a standard solution ?

-Francis Nugent Dixon

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"

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Re: externals

2009-01-23 Thread Randall Lee Reetz
I had a look at the C source, and will be able to do a quick  
external Demo, but with the information above,
well, it seems a bit of a tricky path to go there !  What do you  
think ?


Regards,
Thierry


Tricky path?  I have no idea.

From what I have read, there are two file system event tracking  
systems... the first for system OS X 10.4 which forces all fs events  
out and can lead to buffer overloads, and the second for system OS X  
10.5 which writes to a log file when there are processing resources  
to do so... and sends notification after such epochs in which it did  
not have the resources and was not able to log all events.


The source I pointed you towards works with the 10.4 live publishing  
scheme (no log).  Which is great because I am using 10.4.11.  The  
later logging scheme might listen in on the same file system event  
publishing mechanism... I don't know.  Ideally, the external would  
work with both systems.  The idea of the log if you can and notify if  
you can't mechanism of 10.5 solution is that the client would respond  
to the buffer overload notification by initiating it's own event  
rectification by doing a manual scan of the file directory branch in  
question.


Because I have not used either system yet, I do not know how  
frequently this overload condition comes into play... the ratio of   
missed events to properly published events.


I do not know therefore if the "tricky path" referenced by the  
"Caveat" in the fslogger docs have the bases in the mechanism itself  
or the algorithmic choices made by the original writers of this  
published source code.


Either way, I would greatly appreciate a stab at an external that  
would make this fsevents data available to xtalk stacks and projects.


I think it would be wise of Rev as a company to work towards  
including this functionality (cross platform) into their products.
There are ways to build protection into such capabilities to avoid  
any (or most) malware potential.


Thanks, Randall


On Jan 23, 2009, at 3:21 AM, François Chaplais wrote:



Le 23 janv. 09 à 11:31, Thierry a écrit :


Hi  Randall,

Here is a reposting of a link to a page describing the files  
system events reporter fslogger:

http://osxbook.com/software/fslogger/

If anyone has the inkling or the hankering to fuse this source  
into an external for xTalk on the Mac...

please please please let me know.




From fslogger Doc :

Caveat:

The interface that fslogger uses is private to Apple.
Currently, there is a caveat regarding the use of this interface  
by third parties (including fslogger).  <.>
fslogger is meant to be a learning tool. If you use it, you must  
understand the aforementioned caveat.

---

I had a look at the C source, and will be able to do a quick  
external Demo, but with the information above,
well, it seems a bit of a tricky path to go there !  What do you  
think ?


Regards,
Thierry



from what I have read, fslogger relies on a private API which is  
used by spotlight. On the other hand, FSEvent, I think, is a public  
API. I think it is interesting to have a look on a review of Time  
Machine

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/14
which (Time Machine), incidentally, relies on FSEvents. The  
interesting part lies in the compromises that the Apple engineers  
had to made in order
a) not constantly monitoring the file system activity, which can  
bring the system to a virtual halt
b) select the right granularity both in time and in files to have a  
working backup which does not fill the backup disk in a few hours
I think the "real time" requirement is too demanding; a suitable  
time scale for scanning file events must be found that compromises  
between reliability and system availibility.


best regards,
François

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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

Hi,

There is nothing to stop you displaying other resources from  
installed applications as long as you don't claim them to be your  
own. For instance if you wanted to represent Application X in your  
application, you could display name of App X, or you could display  
it's icon.


All the Best
Dave

On 23 Jan 2009, at 15:39, Rick Harrison wrote:


Hi there,

You realize of course that sucking resources from any application
that isn't yours, and for which you do not have permission to take
such resources to claim for your own, is a violation of copyright law,
and usually is also a violation of the software license agreement for
that application.

It is always best, and safest to create your own content.  Then one
is never at risk for any lawsuits whatsoever.  Or, get permission
in writing from the owners of the software to use those resources.

If someone were sucking resources from your software application
which you worked very hard on for many weeks to enrich themselves
at your expense, I think you would not be a happy programmer.

This is just a cautionary reminder for everyone.

Thanks,

Rick


On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Dave "looking to windward" wrote:

"No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will  
see

"Open package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could
cause all kinds of other problems."

Of course.

However, that will not allow you to import folders of resources into
Runtime Revolution.

I suggest removing the .app suffux from a copy of whichever  
application

you wish to cannibalise.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Dave


On 23 Jan 2009, at 15:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Dave "looking to windward" wrote:

"No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will see
"Open package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could
cause all kinds of other problems."

Of course.

However, that will not allow you to import folders of resources into
Runtime Revolution.

I suggest removing the .app suffux from a copy of whichever  
application

you wish to cannibalise.


Yes, it will, you just write a Script in RunRev that gets the current  
path of the .app file, then just accesses it like it's a folder,  
e.g. /FULL/PATH/TO/APP/myApp.app/Contents/.


Then access any or all files/folder in the package to your hearts  
content, as I said, no need to rename the file and it is dangerous to  
do so.


All the BEst
Dave


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Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
While cannibals may like to suck marrow, I tend
to go for a healthier diet:

http://davidcrow.ca/article/634/open-source-icons

http://www.clazh.com/crystal-superb-beautiful-open-source-icons/

http://www.jodriozola.com/blog/?p=10

http://swik.net/open-source+icons

http://www.crystalxp.net/forum/en/Graphic-Release/Logos-Texts-Icons-amp-Wallpapers-2/sujet_18138_1.htm

"A dose of Open Source everyday keeps the lawyers away!"

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Rick Harrison

Hi there,

You realize of course that sucking resources from any application
that isn't yours, and for which you do not have permission to take
such resources to claim for your own, is a violation of copyright law,
and usually is also a violation of the software license agreement for
that application.

It is always best, and safest to create your own content.  Then one
is never at risk for any lawsuits whatsoever.  Or, get permission
in writing from the owners of the software to use those resources.

If someone were sucking resources from your software application
which you worked very hard on for many weeks to enrich themselves
at your expense, I think you would not be a happy programmer.

This is just a cautionary reminder for everyone.

Thanks,

Rick


On Jan 23, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


Dave "looking to windward" wrote:

"No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will see
"Open package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could
cause all kinds of other problems."

Of course.

However, that will not allow you to import folders of resources into
Runtime Revolution.

I suggest removing the .app suffux from a copy of whichever  
application

you wish to cannibalise.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
Life Cycle.





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click on the
following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your  
computer for this link to work.)


http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290


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PNG transparency woes

2009-01-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I mainly work with Mac and Linux; however, I do, from time to time,
pop together things for Windows.

My experience is that (in the Open Source/FREE world to which IrfanView
belongs) GIMP consistently produces PNG files that maintain their 
transparency regardless of which platform one is punting them to in
Runtime Revolution stacks/standalones.

GIMP for Windows:
http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

Windows-oriented friends of mine tell me that paint.net is also
a good thing:

http://www.getpaint.net/index.html

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Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Dave "looking to windward" wrote:

"No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will see  
"Open package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could  
cause all kinds of other problems."

Of course.

However, that will not allow you to import folders of resources into
Runtime Revolution.

I suggest removing the .app suffux from a copy of whichever application
you wish to cannibalise.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



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Re: No "Next" in Rev 3.0 Uninstaller ?

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
Downloaded from Rev and double clicked the file.

Regards
Camm

 Mark Schonewille  wrote: 
> How did you install Rev 3.0 previously, Camm? Please, provide  
> additional info.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
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> 
> We are always looking for new projects! Feel free to contact us to  
> discuss your custom software project!
> 
> On 23 jan 2009, at 14:41,   wrote:
> 
> > All ,
> >
> > Only "Quit" is displayed if I run Rev 3.0 uninstaller ?
> > No "Next"
> >
> > Regards
> > Camm
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Re-2: No "Next" in Rev 3.0 Uninstaller ?

2009-01-23 Thread runrev260805
Wasn´t that a bug in the 3.0 installer. I remember having the same problem with 
the uninstaller.

Although the NEXT button is missing, the user can press return to proceed.

Matthias
> On 23 jan 2009, at 14:41,   wrote:
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> Only "Quit" is displayed if I run Rev 3.0 uninstaller ?
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Re: Re: How can I get a copy of a substack?

2009-01-23 Thread Reinhold Venzl-Schubert

Hi Sarah, Phil and Mark,

thanks a lot for your help.
It's so easy :-)

Reinhold

Am 23.01.2009 um 14:41 schrieb use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com:


clone stack "MyStack"

This will give you a new stack called "Copy of MyStack". You will need
to rename it and then set it's mainStack if you want it to be part of
the same stack file.



Try the "clone" command. That should work.

   clone stack "sub1" -- creates a duplicate stack named "Copy of  
sub1"




Rheinhold, it's also worth knowing that when you use the 'clone'
command, you can refer to the newly cloned object as "it", so

clone stack "sub1"
set the name of it to "sub2"


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Re: No "Next" in Rev 3.0 Uninstaller ?

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Schonewille
How did you install Rev 3.0 previously, Camm? Please, provide  
additional info.


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On 23 jan 2009, at 14:41,   wrote:


All ,

Only "Quit" is displayed if I run Rev 3.0 uninstaller ?
No "Next"

Regards
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PNG transparency woes

2009-01-23 Thread Hugh Senior
I am using InfanView on Windows to save images. Using the GIF option,
transparency is maintained in rev stacks, but if I save using PNG the
transparency is not honoured in a stack (there is a transparency because the
same file is fine when viewed in Internet Explorer).

Does anyone else use IrfanView and do you have the same problem with the PNG
format?

/H

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No "Next" in Rev 3.0 Uninstaller ?

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
All ,

Only "Quit" is displayed if I run Rev 3.0 uninstaller ?
No "Next"

Regards
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Externals Written in Objective-C/Cocoa?

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

Hi All,

Does anyone know if it is possible to write an external in Objective- 
C/Cocoa?


All the Best
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Re: Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

Hi,

No need to rename the file, just control click on it and you will see  
"Open package contents" as an option. In fact renaming the file could  
cause all kinds of other problems.


All the Best
Dave

On 23 Jan 2009, at 10:53, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


If one removes the .app suffix from a Mac OS X application both
the Finder and Runtime Revolution will see it as a folder.

It is now possible to import images, sounds and so forth into
a stack.

Of course, this is not possible with a .rsrc file. If its
suffix is removed the Finder sees it as a plain text file.

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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
Like it !

Camm
 Dave  wrote: 
> 
> On 23 Jan 2009, at 01:53, Kay C Lan wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:11 AM,  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> AS A REMINDER :-
> >> ALL IS OKAY ON 2.8 WITH STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
> >> ALL IS OKAY ON 3.0 WITHOUT STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
> >>
> >
> > All this seems to point towards a problem with Rev 3.0
> >
> > Can I ask, does this stack actually use any 3.0 features, what is  
> > wrong with
> > just building it in 2.8, or even 2.9? Why don't you mention 2.9?
> 
> Actually, I think there is a problem on 2.8.1.472 which wasn't  
> addressed, then either in 2.9 or 3.0 another problem was introduced  
> which somehow interacts with the first problem and results in the  
> Standalone problem.
> >
> > Also, as this thread is rather long and I can't remember. What  
> > happens when
> > you start from scratch, Start Rev 3.0, no other previous work open,  
> > build a
> > new main stack, add a simple 'hello world' button with answer  
> > dialog, then
> > save as Standalone with Password set. Does this fail for you?
> >
> > Grasping at staws:-(
> 
> Seem to me that all this effort by all these different people is  
> getting us no where fast. The way I would try to get a handle of this  
> problem is to add code to the Standalone builder that dumps into a  
> log file. Over the years I have found that this is the quickest and  
> most reliable way to solve problems like this. However that file is  
> protected.
> 
> So, why doesn't RunRev provide a version of the Standalone builder  
> that dumps a trace to a log file?
> 
> Seems like so little effort to do this and it would have save a lot  
> of wasted man hours.
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
I'm with Dave on this , but thanks anyway Viktoras !

Regards
Camm

 Dave  wrote: 
> 
> On 23 Jan 2009, at 09:21, viktoras d. wrote:
> 
> > Use loader (splashscreen) approach, then you won't not need to  
> > compile your password protected stack:  create invisible stack,  
> > point it to your stack and put
> > on startup
> > go stack "yourstack"
> > end startup
> > into its script.
> > Compile this stack. Run it. That's it.
> > You may rename extensions of stacks from .rev to .lib
> >
> > Regards
> > Viktoras
> 
> I suggested this as a workaround, but it wouldn't it be nice to  
> actually fix the problem now so many people have put in so much time?
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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Re: Extracting Resources from MacOS X Resource Files

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

Hi,

Don't forget iTunes runs on Windows too, it's probably to make it  
compatible with the Windows version?


All the Best
Dave

On 22 Jan 2009, at 19:58, stephen barncard wrote:


Wow... strange it appears Apple is violating its own guidelines to
obfuscate resources -- a form of DRM. Where can one get a iTunes.rsrc
file? It doesn't appear to be in my distribution.

2009/1/22 Richard Gaskin :

stephen barncard wrote:


Have you opened (control-click) the package and looked through  
all the

files/folders inside? .rsrc is a special os type that's actually a
folder.


I'm not so sure.  Right-clicking on iTunes.rsrc doesn't provide an  
option
for opening it as a bundle, and dropping it on TextEdit open it  
up.  It
appears to be a file, and if indeed it contains icons it's just  
another
example of Apple not following their own guidelines, which suggest  
that



 Richard Gaskin


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Re: Extracting Resources from MacOS X Resource Files

2009-01-23 Thread Dave

Hi,

I control-clicked the file and it doesn't seem to be a package, it  
looks like a regular file. If I open it with ThemePark, I can see the  
contents.


All the Best
Dave


On 22 Jan 2009, at 19:16, stephen barncard wrote:


Have you opened (control-click) the package and looked through all the
files/folders inside? .rsrc is a special os type that's actually a
folder.
-- An example is the .rtfd 'file' that is created by saving an RTF
document with graphics in TextEdit.   In that case, it was really just
a folder with a .png and a .rtf file inside. This is what Apple came
up with when they had to move their 'Resource Fork' metaphor to a
different file system.
I quite like the OSX packaging system of today (making a Rev
standalone inside a package with splash - I have it all, a stand alone
for the client but an easily modified system with all the source code
and tools), but in the pre-rev Hypercard world, resource forks were a
godsend. That's where the XCMDS, sounds, pictures, code, fonts,
everything except data was stored, which of course was in the DATA
fork. I used many, many, TEXT resources like we use custom properties
in Rev today. You could even put executable Hypertalk into these
resources. This was a system thing; and other apps could get access to
the same resources.
This is not the same now in Rev as pictures and sounds are stored in a
proprietary format, I'm sure to preserve cross-platform compatibility.
Say, nobody's written a 'Resource Mover' for Rev yet.
maybe I will.
sqb
2009/1/22 Dave 


On 22 Jan 2009, at 16:18, J. Landman Gay wrote:


Dave wrote:

I just want to be able to access this rsrc file to get an icns  
file, then access the icns file to get the rendered version of  
the Icon at a given resolution.


If it is just a one-time thing to extract particular icons, you  
could save a lot of time by just using Graphic Converter. It will  
extract all the icons for you and save them to disk.


GC will open .icns files, but not MacOS X .rsrc files, so I'd  
still need a way to get the .icns resources into separate files.


But , no, unfortunately I want to be able to obtain the rendered  
icon from a .icns file and this file is stored on a removable  
volume. When the volume is mounted, I want to be able to grab the  
icon from the file on the volume.


Is there really no way to access MacOS X .rsrc (theme) files under  
RunRev or a way get an Icon and a rendered image?


All the Best
Dave


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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread Dave


On 23 Jan 2009, at 09:21, viktoras d. wrote:

Use loader (splashscreen) approach, then you won't not need to  
compile your password protected stack:  create invisible stack,  
point it to your stack and put

on startup
go stack "yourstack"
end startup
into its script.
Compile this stack. Run it. That's it.
You may rename extensions of stacks from .rev to .lib

Regards
Viktoras


I suggested this as a workaround, but it wouldn't it be nice to  
actually fix the problem now so many people have put in so much time?


All the Best
Dave


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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread Dave


On 23 Jan 2009, at 01:53, Kay C Lan wrote:


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:11 AM,  wrote:



AS A REMINDER :-
ALL IS OKAY ON 2.8 WITH STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
ALL IS OKAY ON 3.0 WITHOUT STANDALONE PASSWORD SET



All this seems to point towards a problem with Rev 3.0

Can I ask, does this stack actually use any 3.0 features, what is  
wrong with

just building it in 2.8, or even 2.9? Why don't you mention 2.9?


Actually, I think there is a problem on 2.8.1.472 which wasn't  
addressed, then either in 2.9 or 3.0 another problem was introduced  
which somehow interacts with the first problem and results in the  
Standalone problem.


Also, as this thread is rather long and I can't remember. What  
happens when
you start from scratch, Start Rev 3.0, no other previous work open,  
build a
new main stack, add a simple 'hello world' button with answer  
dialog, then

save as Standalone with Password set. Does this fail for you?

Grasping at staws:-(


Seem to me that all this effort by all these different people is  
getting us no where fast. The way I would try to get a handle of this  
problem is to add code to the Standalone builder that dumps into a  
log file. Over the years I have found that this is the quickest and  
most reliable way to solve problems like this. However that file is  
protected.


So, why doesn't RunRev provide a version of the Standalone builder  
that dumps a trace to a log file?


Seems like so little effort to do this and it would have save a lot  
of wasted man hours.


All the Best
Dave


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Re: message path clarification please

2009-01-23 Thread Thierry

Thanks Sarah, but...


button B1
group G1
button B2 inside G1
group G2 with backgroundbehavior set

the buttons: on mouseup Hello end mouseup

put the handler on Hello ...  in the group G2.

the group G2 never catch the message of button B2 ( inside G1 ) ?

Is this a normal behavior of the message path ?


The 2 groups are at the same level of the message hierarchy, so a
message will never flow from one group to another, unless one is
inside the other. In you example, the message passes as follows

Stack
|
Card
   |--|---|
  B1  G1   G2
  |
 B2

So clicking B2 sends the message to B2, G1, card, stack - but not to
B1 or to G2.


a click on B1, Hello handler  in G2  get fired !

I understand it should work that way:
   ( from page 110, fig 50 on Rev User's guide )

Stack
   |
Background ( G2 )
   |
Card
   |
controls ( B1, G1/B2, ... )


So, my question is more about the BackgroundBehavior.
In the Inspector for a group, setting the backgroundBehavior
you have also a little texte ( ... put after card in message path )

Still perplexe why it doesn't work ?

In fact, I found a work-around, and use frontscript instead, but I'm  
finishing

a generic model for a tool and I need to clarify this behavior

Regards,
Thierry


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Re: externals

2009-01-23 Thread François Chaplais


Le 23 janv. 09 à 11:31, Thierry a écrit :


Hi  Randall,

Here is a reposting of a link to a page describing the files system  
events reporter fslogger:

http://osxbook.com/software/fslogger/

If anyone has the inkling or the hankering to fuse this source into  
an external for xTalk on the Mac...

please please please let me know.




From fslogger Doc :

Caveat:

The interface that fslogger uses is private to Apple.
Currently, there is a caveat regarding the use of this interface by  
third parties (including fslogger).  <.>
fslogger is meant to be a learning tool. If you use it, you must  
understand the aforementioned caveat.

---

I had a look at the C source, and will be able to do a quick  
external Demo, but with the information above,
well, it seems a bit of a tricky path to go there !  What do you  
think ?


Regards,
Thierry



from what I have read, fslogger relies on a private API which is used  
by spotlight. On the other hand, FSEvent, I think, is a public API. I  
think it is interesting to have a look on a review of Time Machine

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ars/14
which (Time Machine), incidentally, relies on FSEvents. The  
interesting part lies in the compromises that the Apple engineers had  
to made in order
a) not constantly monitoring the file system activity, which can bring  
the system to a virtual halt
b) select the right granularity both in time and in files to have a  
working backup which does not fill the backup disk in a few hours
I think the "real time" requirement is too demanding; a suitable time  
scale for scanning file events must be found that compromises between  
reliability and system availibility.


best regards,
François

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Re: message path clarification please

2009-01-23 Thread Sarah Reichelt
> button B1
> group G1
> button B2 inside G1
> group G2 with backgroundbehavior set
>
> the buttons: on mouseup Hello end mouseup
>
> put the handler on Hello ...  in the group G2.
>
> the group G2 never catch the message of button B2 ( inside G1 ) ?
>
> Is this a normal behavior of the message path ?

The 2 groups are at the same level of the message hierarchy, so a
message will never flow from one group to another, unless one is
inside the other. In you example, the mesage passes as follows
(hopefully my crude ASCII diagram will show properly):

Stack
|
Card
   |--|---|
  B1  G1   G2
  |
 B2

So clicking B2 sends the message to B2, G1, card, stack - but not to
B1 or to G2.

Richard Gaskin has a good diagram explaining this on his fourthworld web site.

HTH,
Sarah
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Re: How can I get a copy of a substack?

2009-01-23 Thread Mark Smith
Rheinhold, it's also worth knowing that when you use the 'clone'  
command, you can refer to the newly cloned object as "it", so


clone stack "sub1"
set the name of it to "sub2"

best,

Mark

On 23 Jan 2009, at 10:53, Phil Davis wrote:


Try the "clone" command. That should work.

   clone stack "sub1" -- creates a duplicate stack named "Copy of  
sub1"


Phil Davis


Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

Hi!

I need a substack, that is the exact copy of an existing substack,  
but it shall get an other name.

Is there any simple way?

Thanks
Reinhold


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Re: How can I get a copy of a substack?

2009-01-23 Thread Phil Davis

Try the "clone" command. That should work.

   clone stack "sub1" -- creates a duplicate stack named "Copy of sub1"

Phil Davis


Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:

Hi!

I need a substack, that is the exact copy of an existing substack, but 
it shall get an other name.

Is there any simple way?

Thanks
Reinhold 


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message path clarification please

2009-01-23 Thread Thierry

Hi,

Struggled for a while on trying to share a sound player on multi- 
cards


Then, did a light stack-one card with :

button B1
group G1
button B2 inside G1
group G2 with backgroundbehavior set

the buttons: on mouseup Hello end mouseup

put the handler on Hello ...  in the group G2.

the group G2 never catch the message of button B2 ( inside G1 ) ?

Is this a normal behavior of the message path ?

If someone can clarify ( explain ) , I would be very happy

Regards,
Thierry

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Sucking the Marrow from Macintosh Apps

2009-01-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson
If one removes the .app suffix from a Mac OS X application both
the Finder and Runtime Revolution will see it as a folder.

It is now possible to import images, sounds and so forth into
a stack.

Of course, this is not possible with a .rsrc file. If its
suffix is removed the Finder sees it as a plain text file.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.



A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.




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Re: How can I get a copy of a substack?

2009-01-23 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Reinhold Venzl-Schubert
 wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I need a substack, that is the exact copy of an existing substack, but it
> shall get an other name.
> Is there any simple way?


clone stack "MyStack"

This will give you a new stack called "Copy of MyStack". You will need
to rename it and then set it's mainStack if you want it to be part of
the same stack file.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: AW: what is the bottleneck when copying file from CD?

2009-01-23 Thread Luis

Hiya,

We're all learning!

Cheers,

Luis.




On 23 Jan 2009, at 08:25, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:


Just to give you a feedback of my further tests.

1. The main performance difference is between Notebooks (average:  
2,4MB/s)

and Desktops (average: 4,2MB/s), because of HW differences.
2. The very slow performance of the MacBook was because of a CD  
burned on
Win. When burning the same datas on the Mac, the performance was  
almost

exact the same between a comparable Win Notbook and MacBook
3. The chunk size for read/write has between 4096 bytes and 10MB  
almost no
significant performance difference. Lower than 4096 bytes the  
performance
decreased dramatically, with a chunk size of 512 bytes I had only  
0,4MB/s.

Probably because her the performance part of my repeat loop comes into
account.

My conclusion is, I'll go with a chunk size of 4096 bytes and will  
tell my
customers, that the installation of my 7GB will take between 30 and  
90 min,
depending on the performance of their machines. (I even had a  
betatester,
where it took 140min on a 3 year old Win Notebook, but I hope it is  
a single

outlier)

Thanks Luis and Florian to point me to the right direction.
Tiemo



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Re: externals

2009-01-23 Thread Thierry

Hi  Randall,

Here is a reposting of a link to a page describing the files system  
events reporter fslogger:

http://osxbook.com/software/fslogger/

If anyone has the inkling or the hankering to fuse this source into  
an external for xTalk on the Mac...

please please please let me know.




From fslogger Doc :

Caveat:

The interface that fslogger uses is private to Apple.
 Currently, there is a caveat regarding the use of this interface by  
third parties (including fslogger).  <.>
fslogger is meant to be a learning tool. If you use it, you must  
understand the aforementioned caveat.

---

I had a look at the C source, and will be able to do a quick external  
Demo, but with the information above,

well, it seems a bit of a tricky path to go there !  What do you think ?

Regards,
Thierry

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How can I get a copy of a substack?

2009-01-23 Thread Reinhold Venzl-Schubert

Hi!

I need a substack, that is the exact copy of an existing substack, but  
it shall get an other name.

Is there any simple way?

Thanks
Reinhold
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread viktoras d.
Use loader (splashscreen) approach, then you won't not need to compile 
your password protected stack:  create invisible stack, point it to your 
stack and put

on startup
go stack "yourstack"
end startup
into its script.
Compile this stack. Run it. That's it.
You may rename extensions of stacks from .rev to .lib

Regards
Viktoras

cam...@tesco.net wrote:

The problem is that I cannot build the standalone !

Regards
Camm

 "viktoras d."  wrote: 
  
What if you put the offending answer into a "try end try" structure 
and handle the error yourself when it fails?.. At least it should not 
display error dialog to end user.


Regards
Viktoras

AS A REMINDER :- 
ALL IS OKAY ON 2.8 WITH STANDALONE PASSWORD SET 
ALL IS OKAY ON 3.0 WITHOUT STANDALONE PASSWORD SET


Regards
Camm
 "J. Landman Gay"  wrote: 
  
  

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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
The problem is that I cannot build the standalone !

Regards
Camm

 "viktoras d."  wrote: 
> What if you put the offending answer into a "try end try" structure 
> and handle the error yourself when it fails?.. At least it should not 
> display error dialog to end user.
> 
> Regards
> Viktoras
> > AS A REMINDER :- 
> > ALL IS OKAY ON 2.8 WITH STANDALONE PASSWORD SET 
> > ALL IS OKAY ON 3.0 WITHOUT STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
> >
> > Regards
> > Camm
> >  "J. Landman Gay"  wrote: 
> >   
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Re: RUNREV Technical support

2009-01-23 Thread camm29
Kay ,

Need Rev 3.0 because they fixed the issue with using Serial com ports >9.
I do not have Rev 2.9.

Yes , I have made a simple "Hello World" answer stack - the same happens !

Thanks for trying.

 Kay C Lan  wrote: 
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:11 AM,  wrote:
> 
> >
> > AS A REMINDER :-
> > ALL IS OKAY ON 2.8 WITH STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
> > ALL IS OKAY ON 3.0 WITHOUT STANDALONE PASSWORD SET
> >
> 
> All this seems to point towards a problem with Rev 3.0
> 
> Can I ask, does this stack actually use any 3.0 features, what is wrong with
> just building it in 2.8, or even 2.9? Why don't you mention 2.9?
> 
> Also, as this thread is rather long and I can't remember. What happens when
> you start from scratch, Start Rev 3.0, no other previous work open, build a
> new main stack, add a simple 'hello world' button with answer dialog, then
> save as Standalone with Password set. Does this fail for you?
> 
> Grasping at staws:-(
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Re: dictionary window displayed outside screen area...

2009-01-23 Thread viktoras d.

Thank you, Sarah!

Best regards
Viktoras

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, viktoras d.  wrote:
  

when I opened Revolution dictionary today morning its window opens to
"nowhere". I did not move it there - it just suddenly decided to change its
screen coordinates to the unreachable area by itself. Is there a way to move
it back inside the visible screen area? (Windows XP, 2 monitors (extended
monitor setup), no chances to get the dictionary displayed where it belongs
to..)



Do this in the message box:

set the loc of stack "revDictionary" to the screenloc

HTH,
Sarah
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AW: what is the bottleneck when copying file from CD?

2009-01-23 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Just to give you a feedback of my further tests.

1. The main performance difference is between Notebooks (average: 2,4MB/s)
and Desktops (average: 4,2MB/s), because of HW differences.
2. The very slow performance of the MacBook was because of a CD burned on
Win. When burning the same datas on the Mac, the performance was almost
exact the same between a comparable Win Notbook and MacBook
3. The chunk size for read/write has between 4096 bytes and 10MB almost no
significant performance difference. Lower than 4096 bytes the performance
decreased dramatically, with a chunk size of 512 bytes I had only 0,4MB/s.
Probably because her the performance part of my repeat loop comes into
account.

My conclusion is, I'll go with a chunk size of 4096 bytes and will tell my
customers, that the installation of my 7GB will take between 30 and 90 min,
depending on the performance of their machines. (I even had a betatester,
where it took 140min on a 3 year old Win Notebook, but I hope it is a single
outlier)

Thanks Luis and Florian to point me to the right direction.
Tiemo


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> boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2009 13:05
> An: 'How to use Revolution'
> Betreff: what is the bottleneck when copying file from CD?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have to copy about 7 GB in 6 zip files from DVD-ROM to HD.
> 
> I do it by a repeat loop with read - write - see below.
> 
> 
> 
> Because I experienced very big performance differences on different
> machines, I made extensive tests on different machines and different read
> chunk sizes in the repeat loop.
> 
> First I experienced that the chunk size for reading has almost no
> influence
> on the total time. Tested with a chunkSize of 100K, 1MB, 10MB, 100MB.
> 
> But I experienced very big differences on different machines. Total
> copying
> time for 6,7 GB varies between 27min on a PC Desktop (Core 2, 2,66Ghz,
> 2GB),
> 49 min On a Vista Notebook (Core 2 Duo, 1,86 Ghz, 2GB) and 93min on a
> MacBook (Core 2 Duo, 2,2 Ghz, 2GB), what meant a put through of 4,1 MB/s
> on
> the PC and 1,2 MB/s on the Mac.
> 
> 
> 
> I am not the hardware or system guy, so can anybody shed some light on
> these
> differences. What is the bottleneck and is there anything I can do in my
> script, or do I have to tell my customers "Installation time can vary
> between half an hour and two hours :-( ." and it is just like it is?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for any hint or experiences
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The code snipped is:
> 
> open file tQuellFile for binary read
> 
> open file tZielFile for binary write
> 
> repeat until it is empty
> 
> read from file tQuellFile for gChunkSize #a global for testing
> 
> if it is not empty then
> 
> write it to file tZielFile
> 
> end if
> 
> add gChunkAdd to tMB
> 
> set the thumbpos of sb "Progress" to tMB
> 
> put tMB && "MB von gesamt ca." && gGesamtSize && "MB kopiert..."
> into fld "fldMB" # progress in MB
> 
> if the uCancel of this stack is true then
> 
> close file tQuellFile
> 
> close file tZielFile
> 
> answer "Abbruch"
> 
> exit to top
> 
> end if
> 
> wait 1 millisecs with messages # wait 0 didn't worked, no click on
> a
> button was accepted
> 
> end repeat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: dictionary window displayed outside screen area...

2009-01-23 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, viktoras d.  wrote:
> when I opened Revolution dictionary today morning its window opens to
> "nowhere". I did not move it there - it just suddenly decided to change its
> screen coordinates to the unreachable area by itself. Is there a way to move
> it back inside the visible screen area? (Windows XP, 2 monitors (extended
> monitor setup), no chances to get the dictionary displayed where it belongs
> to..)

Do this in the message box:

set the loc of stack "revDictionary" to the screenloc

HTH,
Sarah
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