date:20100108

I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the 
inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script 
control. Should I have been so surprised?

In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an 
object? (without trapping every possible set command that might refer to 
that object) The lockLocation property merely reflects the status of the 
setting.

Craig Newman
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Re: Imagesource of char not working as expected in Windows

2010-01-08 Thread stephen barncard

Spaces in filepath names? Try filenames with no spaces, use underscores.




 The snapshots are saved to a location such as

 C:/Users/DavidG/Documents/This_Much!/Anon 12 28 08 [11-36
 AM]/graphics/image1.png
 C:/Users/DavidG/Documents/This_Much!/Anon 12 28 08 [11-39
 AM]/graphics/image2.png


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[OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Richmond Mathewson

My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
a dog's dinner . . .

Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]

with this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

[dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: Locking size and position

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Gaskin


DunbarX wrote:

I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the
inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script
control. Should I have been so surprised?

In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an
object?


Sure:  set the lockLoc of the object to true and don't write any scripts 
that move it. :)


But seriously, can you tell us a bit more about the circumstances in 
your app you need to account for?


The lockLoc property prevents interactively adjusting the object with 
the mouse, but leaves your scripts free to control its size and position.


While the IDE provides tools which can affect an object's size, in that 
development mode you're likely to be doing layout tasks anyway so that 
doesn't seem so bad.


At runtime, unless you provide an extensible architecture in which other 
scripters can add stuff to your environment you should have complete 
control over what can and can't happen with those objects, so for 
deployment the lockLoc property would seem reasonably useful.


What circumstances are you encountering in which the lockLoc property 
and your scripts aren't providing what you need for the end-user experience?


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Re: Locking size and position

2010-01-08 Thread Mark Swindell

I don't think you should be surprised (though it was an aha moment when I 
first saw this was the case).

Not sure why you'd want to lock something down so tight even you couldn't  move 
it via script.   But if you don't want it moved, you'd have to except the 
particular object in your script that is moving neighboring objects (I'm 
assuming probably grouped?), somehow, I guess.  You could also store the 
desired location of the property in a custom property and reset its loc via a 
send in time, though that wouldn't look so nice, I don't think.  I'm sure other 
will offer better solutions, but I'm glad I can move locked items via script... 
what a pain it would be otherwise.  

What are you trying to accomplish?

Mark

On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 AM, dunb...@aol.com wrote:

 I was surprised to learn that a control that has its position locked in the 
 inspector can't be moved in edit mode, but can be moved under script 
 control. Should I have been so surprised?
 
 In other words, is there a way to really, really lock such a property of an 
 object? (without trapping every possible set command that might refer to 
 that object) The lockLocation property merely reflects the status of the 
 setting.
 
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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread René Micout

Hello Richmond !
For me the second one is better (the principle) but with Ganesh !! :-)
Bons souvenirs de Paris
René

Le 8 janv. 2010 à 16:40, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :

 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
 a dog's dinner . . .
 
 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
 
 with this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
 
 [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
 
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Colin Holgate

Both sites are somewhat plain. Have you thought about using a tool that comes 
with nice design templates, like iWeb for 
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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Rick Harrison

Hi Richmond,

I hate to have to say it, but your sister is probably correct.

I think the rather raw naked brain at the very bottom almost
made me loose my breakfast, which is then something a
dog might consider for dinner.  Blah!

The second example is a much cleaner, and organized start.

Unfortunately in our age of the web now, everything has to have
that graphic artist professional polished brush look or no one takes
one's website seriously.  I wish this was not the case myself as it
has raised the cost of website development astronomically for
everyone.

Good luck with your revisions, and remember that you can't
please all of the people all of the time.  There will always be
some critics out there who will say they don't like your site no
matter how well polished it is.

Cheers,

Rick

On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
 a dog's dinner . . .
 
 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
 
 with this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
 
 [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
 
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
 ---
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriter.html
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Re: Locking size and position

Mark, Richard.

It is mainly academic for me. It came up when I tried to set the loc of an 
object in a certain stack from a utility stack I use, without specifying the 
pathname of that object. A similar object in the utility stack moved 
instead.

I was just playing around, set the lockLocation property in the utility 
stack, and noticed it had no effect. Not a biggie; I learned a bit more. It 
certainly cannot be considered a bug. And you both made the point that a script 
would likely have a good reason to move an object, whereas a person with a 
mouse might not.

Thanks for the replies. 

Craig
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Re: 65535 limit?

2010-01-08 Thread Fred Moyer

Thanks Jim for the input. Yes, because of Rev's limitation, I will  
have to redesign using something like what you describe. But given my  
particular application, keeping all images side-by-side would have  
been far preferable and simpler.


Fred

On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:04 -0800
From: Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: 65535 limit?
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: 4810f2be-9d67-45be-ae93-d32291627...@yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Rather than worry about maximums and future changes that could hamper
performance, why not make several smaller groups that 'overlap' in a
collage of sorts, then move all the groups as one?
Maybe I am missing the point, so let me know.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:


The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack
is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to
greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of
the User's guide, the Maximum size of an object is given as
Unlimited. But I can't set the width of an object to greater than
32767.

What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by
making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.
However, if I try to make the rect of the stack -32767, 10,
32767,100 Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.

Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding
something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac
problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out
of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/
ever change?

I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card
that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The
group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.
One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's
HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many
images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater
than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while
setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.
Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so
if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/
comments?




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Re: 65535 limit?

2010-01-08 Thread Jim Ault

I guess what I was thinking is that the various groups are positioned  
edge to edge to make them 'side by side', kind of like a 3-dimensional  
patchwork quilt, or a technicolor dreamcoat.  Perhaps what you are  
saying is that positioning two groups still needs to remain within the  
32767.


Jim

On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:17 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:

Thanks Jim for the input. Yes, because of Rev's limitation, I will  
have to redesign using something like what you describe. But given  
my particular application, keeping all images side-by-side would  
have been far preferable and simpler.


Fred

On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Jim Ault wrote:


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:12:04 -0800
From: Jim Ault jimaultw...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: 65535 limit?
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: 4810f2be-9d67-45be-ae93-d32291627...@yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Rather than worry about maximums and future changes that could hamper
performance, why not make several smaller groups that 'overlap' in a
collage of sorts, then move all the groups as one?
Maybe I am missing the point, so let me know.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Fred Moyer wrote:


The Stack Inspector states that the default maximum width of a stack
is 65535. However, on my Mac I can't set the width of a stack to
greater than 32767 pixels (half of 65534.) Similarly, on page 49 of
the User's guide, the Maximum size of an object is given as
Unlimited. But I can't set the width of an object to greater than
32767.

What is bizarre is that I can make a control 65534 pixels wide by
making the rect of the control (for example) -32767, 10, 32767,100.
However, if I try to make the rect of the stack -32767, 10,
32767,100 Revolution crashes or resizes to a seemingly random rect.

Are these stated limits actually incorrect or am I misunderstanding
something? Does it work correctly in Windows (maybe this is a Mac
problem)? Does anyone know a workaround to that 32767 limit? And out
of curiosity, what is the significance of that number? Will it soon/
ever change?

I am designing a stack that consists of a single normal-sized card
that contains a normal-sized group whose lockloc is set to true. The
group contains many images placed side-by-side next to one another.
One can scroll to any picture almost instantly by using the group's
HScrollbar. This stack is great but sometimes there are so many
images in the group that the formattedwidth of the group is greater
than 32768 -- or would be, but I can't get to that point while
setting up the stack. All kinds of strange things happen.
Incidentally 65535 would be wide enough to accommodate my needs, so
if Revolution simply worked as stated, it would be fine. Any ideas/
comments?




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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Robert Man


I disagree! Find the first, naive... much more alive than the 2nd polished.

IN the end, i'd really say... 
a) is it a site to SEDUCE people? commercial.. 
b) or is it a site to EXPRESS yourself, and just GIVE ACCESS to your
pupils.. 

if a then, sure.. neither sites will do the job.. 
but, as I suspect it is b) then.. just don't bother tand do whatever PLEASES
YOU
(and let your sister do her site as she wishes i'd say!!! )

Have fun.. 

p.s; if you want a basic CMS site, i've developped one from andre garzia
basic cms sample on on-rev in april, and this I found was a very good base.


Rick Harrison wrote:
 
 Hi Richmond,
 
 I hate to have to say it, but your sister is probably correct.
 
 

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Re: can't open tRev anymore

2010-01-08 Thread Jerry Daniels


Eric,

You can ask me directly...more effective. New version coming out  
today, but if you're having a problem we need to go through the  
process of me replicating the error, etc.


je...@reveditor.com

The rest of us are doing fine, so there is something particular to the  
way you're set up, etc.


Best,

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On Jan 7, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Eric Sciolli wrote:


Hello Jacqueline

your solution doesn't work... perhaps it's a bug with the new  
version of tRev?


Thanks

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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Luis


My eyes! My eyes!

On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website  
looks like

a dog's dinner . . .

Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]

with this:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

[dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Jacques Hausser

Hi Richmond,

The old website is maybe a dog's dinner, but a rather appetizing one. The new 
one is terribly calvinist and my cat was not specially appealed...
I would at least soften it, these grey borders look like prison's walls seen 
from above.
And to milden it, put somewhere an illustrated and well visible logo 
symbolizing your interests - the problem is probably that you have too many of 
them ;).
I agree with René: why not Ganesh-with-a-laptop ? Good introduction to 
DevaWriter !

Sicerely

Jacques

Le 8 janv. 2010 à 16:40, Richmond Mathewson a écrit :

 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
 a dog's dinner . . .
 
 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
 
 with this:
 
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
 
 [dummy, half-cooked, cat's lunch]
 
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Klaus on-rev

Hi Luis,

Am 08.01.2010 um 18:21 schrieb Luis:

 My eyes! My eyes!

:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

 On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
 a dog's dinner . . .
 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:
 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]
 ...
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

Best

Klaus

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Re: Locking size and position

2010-01-08 Thread Jim Lambert

RichardG wrote:

 The lockLoc property prevents interactively adjusting the object with 
 the mouse, but leaves your scripts free to control its size and position.


The arrowkeys can also control (i.e., move) a locked object - handy.

Jim Lambert
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Drag and Drop in Datagrids

Hi all. 

I seem to remember someone had worked out a method for drag and drop in 
datagrids, but I flush the posts from time to time and alas, I recently did so. 
I am now in need of some starting wisdom on the issue. The idea would be to 
begin a drag in a cell of a table, and create an image of the cell I am 
dragging. The purpose would be to re-order the items, or drag them to another 
list to add/link them. 

I can figure out what to do once I drop the item, but I think the trick will be 
taking a snapshot of what I intend to drag. 


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Michael Kann

For all the comparative linguists out there: in our part of the world we would 
call the first website a dog's breakfast. 

Besides the animated flags, everything looks fine and dandy. Those flags have 
to go.

 

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.com wrote:

 From: Klaus on-rev kl...@major.on-rev.com
 Subject: Re: [OT] Crappy website
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:27 PM
 Hi Luis,
 
 Am 08.01.2010 um 18:21 schrieb Luis:
 
  My eyes! My eyes!
 
 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
 
  On 8 Jan 2010, at 15:40, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
  My sister (who knows about these things) tells me
 that my website looks like
  a dog's dinner . . .
  Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing
 this:
  http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html 
 [dog's dinner]
  ...
  sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
 
 Best
 
 Klaus
 
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 kl...@major.on-rev.com
 
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Re: Drag and Drop in Datagrids

2010-01-08 Thread Michael Kann

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote:

 From: Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com
 Subject: Drag and Drop in Datagrids
 To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:44 PM
 Hi all. 

 I seem to remember someone had worked out a method for drag
 and drop in datagrids, but I flush the posts from time to
 time and alas, I recently did so. I am now in need of some
 starting wisdom on the issue. The idea would be to begin a
 drag in a cell of a table, and create an image of the cell I
 am dragging. The purpose would be to re-order the items, or
 drag them to another list to add/link them. 

 I can figure out what to do once I drop the item, but I
 think the trick will be taking a snapshot of what I intend
 to drag. 

 Bob Sneidar
 IT Manager
 Logos Management
 Calvary Chapel CM

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Re : Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon


Hi from Beautiful Brittany (I've moved)

Richard,

My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website  
looks like

a dog's dinner . . .

Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:


This is your site, and you have put a ton of gung-ho and guts into it.
So, be proud of it, but be ready to submit to criticism. That's life !

1 - Tell them what you are going to tell them !
2 - Tell them !
3 - Tell them what you have told them !

Well - maybe you can forget rule 3 !!

Based upon those simple rules  :

1 - Start with an introduction page
(who am I, What am I selling, what have I got to sell).

2 - Separate the levels of information
(if it costs you a few HTML pages, so who cares ?)
(NEVER mix chalk and cheese (even if they are both white)

3 - Based upon rule 1, don't put too much info on page 1
(lead the user into the areas that may take his fancy).

4 - Use menus (they can be so useful)

5 - And this is the most important :

Don't add pages to your site by adding pointers from Page 1.
LOOK CAREFULLY at your PAGE HEIRARCHY (do you have one ?)
and redesign it if necessary.

and finally :

If you have to redesign your page hierarchy, this means that
you DIDN't HAVE a page heirarchy in the first place.

I have learned (with great pain), that building Internet sites
is the same as writing any program - (90% analysis, using some
antiquated material called a pencil and paper, and then 10%
writing and testing). Every time you put up a new HTML page,
you are only proving what you have already carefully designed !

I will now duck because of any sh*t hitting the fan !
(but then, nobody is perfect !)

-Francis


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Re: Re : Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread william humphrey

I had to look. The new website is pretty ugly. Maybe if you at least toned
things down to light colors and use black for the lettering?
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Re: Locking size and position

I take it all back.

If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose 
lockLoc is true because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so, 
but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would 
that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but 
certainly not consistent.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 1/8/10 1:40:45 PM, j...@netrin.com writes:


 The arrowkeys can also control (i.e., move) a locked object - handy.
 

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Re: Locking size and position


dunb...@aol.com wrote:

I take it all back.

If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose 
lockLoc is true because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so, 
but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would 
that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but 
certainly not consistent.


It dates back to the MetaCard days. People were doing layouts and 
accidentally moving objects they didn't want to move because they were 
dragging a selection around several things at once. They asked for a 
lock so that drag-selecting wouldn't select specified objects. Ergo, 
lockloc. It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.


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Re: Locking size and position


J. Landman Gay wrote:

It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.



Oops, I should probably add that the functionality expanded after that. 
Lockloc is, of course, now used to prevent resizing of some objects 
(like groups and images) when their contents change. Without a lock, the 
default behavior is to resize to accomodate the new content; with a 
lock, the object boundaries remain fixed. In the case of images, the 
image itself resizes.


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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Alejandro Tejada

Hi Richmond,

You are Scott, so i expected to find your familiar plaid
design in your website. ;-)

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/qResults.aspx?searchString=Mathewson

When time permits, i will create a stack to create
tartan designs. These designs show how you could create
nice looking patterns using simple elements... a great example
of economy of means:

http://www.bustler.net/index.php/event/economy_of_means_a_brief_history_of_doing_more_with_less/

Scottis were (Still are?) famous for their acute sense of economy... :-)

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4850359,00.html

So, Richmond... Keep your design simple, but elegant.

Have a great good 2010!

alejandro
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prehandler: (was: Locking size and position)

Jacques.

OK, as mainly a development aid I see all that.

Rev is far less forgiving about trapping reserved words than you-know-what, 
so (I think) I cannot write a handler that traps set, checks to see if my 
immovable object is in danger, and acts appropriately.

There was discussion a while back to have a universal handler trap in the 
engine, way in the front, that could be analyzed at will. What do you think? 
Before even the frontscripts, offer a control structure like:

on preHandler theMessage,paramList
...
end preHandler


It almost always just passes the usual stuff through, but you could check 
it at will to see, perhaps, if 'myImmovableObject' was somewhere in the 
paramList, and catch the set message that might be about to change its loc.

Craig

In a message dated 1/8/10 2:37:48 PM, jac...@hyperactivesw.com writes:


 
  It's strictly to ease developers during the construction phase.
 

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Re: Locking size and position

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Gaskin


DunbarX wrote:


I take it all back.

If I agree that a script should be able to move (or resize) an object whose
lockLoc is true because scripts probably have a good reason for doing so,
but that a user is precluded from doing so with a mouse, then why would
that user be given the right to do so with an arrowKey? Not a bug per se, but
certainly not consistent.


This is not an engine behavior; being able to move objects with the 
arrow keys is done by scripting an arrowKey handler.


See the RevShortcuts frontScript in the Rev IDE, or the menuButton 
frontScript in the MC IDE.


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Re: Locking size and position

Richard:

That explains that. Thanks. One day I will feel brave enough to look behind 
the curtain of this unbelievably rich program. Right now I am still reading 
the dictionary. I'm on page 5.

Craig


In a message dated 1/8/10 4:04:32 PM, ambassa...@fourthworld.com writes:


 This is not an engine behavior; being able to move objects with the
 arrow keys is done by scripting an arrowKey handler.
 
 See the RevShortcuts frontScript in the Rev IDE, or the menuButton
 frontScript in the MC IDE.
 

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Re: (Data Grid) How to get the setting of the dgHeaderAlignment[column] saved


On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

I have a data grid DataGrid defined with the Inspector. The  
columns' headers are aligned to left.


In order to get the columns headers centered I do the following :
--
 put the dgProp[columns] of group DataGrid into theColumns
 repeat for each line enil in theColumns
set the dgHeaderAlignment[enil] of grp DataGrid of this cd to  
center

 end repeat
---
Ok, that works well.

I save the stack
If I close the stack and reopen it, the headers are still centered.

But if I quit Rev, when I reopen the stack, the headers are aligned  
to left again.


What am I missing?


It's a bug. The Data Grid isn't setting alignment when creating the  
headers from scratch.


You can either set the alignment each time your program opens or add a  
1 line fix to the Data Grid behavior script. Instructions follow.


==
1) Open Script
==

edit script of btn Data Grid of stack revdatagridlibrary

==
2) Locate _table.CreateHeaders command
==


==
3) Add line to _table.CreateHeaders command
==


set the dgTooltip of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
[tooltip]
set the dgHilite of theGroup to theColumn is  
sortByThisColumn

#
## ADD FOLLOWING LINE
   #
set the dgAlignment of theGroup to theColsA[theColumn] 
[header][alignment]

lock messages
end if
end repeat
end _table.CreateHeaders

==
4) save revDataGridLibrary stack
==

In message box execute:

save stack revDataGridLibrary


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Re: valentina, externals of libdatabase

On Jan 7, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

I'm kind of confused about how externals are supposed to be registered
these days. I ran the Valentina installer, and it made no changes to
the Revolution program directories (i.e. it did not add itself to the
list of externals in the Externals text file, nor add the drivers to
the folder containing database drivers).

3rd party externals are traditionally added to the User Extensions
folder. This folder is usually located in your documents folder. This
lesson shows how to install an external and shows you how to find the
User Extensions folder. I would check there for the Valentina files.

http://lessons.runrev.com/spaces/lessons/buckets/784/lessons/6347-How-To-Install-3rd-Party-Externals-For-Use-in-the-IDE-and-Standalone-Builder

After running the V4REV installer on OS X you need to restart
Revolution so the externals can load. I have not tested on Windows
though.

I got the example stack provided by Paradigma to work by adding the
V4Rev.dll file to the external references of the Examples main stack.

When it comes to making use of LibDatabase, the only way I could get
it to work was by adding V4Rev.dll to the externals of the library).
I was getting an error at at the point where LibDatabase calls
Valentina_Init. It seems to me that the main stack of an application
should be where the externals are set, not in a library stack. I am
sure that if LibDatabase required a reference to any relevant
externals, Trevor would have said so (he's a thorough kinda guy).

libDatabase relies on the Valentina external being loaded and that the
handlers are available in the message path. When working in the IDE
the Valentina external should be available in the message path
assuming it was loaded at startup (see aforementioned lesson for ways
to test).

Now I have no idea if libDatabase will work with Valentina 4. I
haven't looked at the libDatabase code in a looong time and
Valentina 4 was not around when I did work on it. So you are kind of
on your own when it comes to troubleshooting actual functionality...

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Re: Drag and Drop in Datagrids


On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Michael Kann wrote:


http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17333


Hmm, I still need to document that...

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unicode files? open file for text or binary?

2010-01-08 Thread Kee Nethery

I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front to 
indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do I open this as 
a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens? Or is it a bunch of 
binary data that I need to somehow convert into unicode values (ug)?

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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Sarah Reichelt

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks like
 a dog's dinner . . .

 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]

 with this:

 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html


I guess my main problem with the original is that there is no overall
theme. Links are images of very different sizes and transparencies, so
it isn't obvious which are links.
The new one looks more consistent, which will make it easier to navigate.

But for people like me who are not into design, it is often easier to
start with a CSS template and adapt that to your needs.
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/ is one good source of such things and
it allows you to build a polished site with remarkably little effort.
Using CSS also makes it much easier to make sure all the pages on the
site have the same formatting, and changes are site-wide for even
easier editing.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: unicode files? open file for text or binary?

2010-01-08 Thread Mark Schonewille


Kee,

Read the data as binary. Use the BOM to detect UTF8/UTF16/UTF32 and  
the endian. If necessary, switch the bytes to change the endian.  
Delete the BOM and set the unicodeText of a field to the remaining data.


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Op 9 jan 2010, om 00:57 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven:

I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front  
to indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do  
I open this as a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens?  
Or is it a bunch of binary data that I need to somehow convert into  
unicode values (ug)?


Kee Nethery


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Re: unicode files? open file for text or binary?

2010-01-08 Thread Kee Nethery

Mark, thank you for the answer. 

Kee Nethery


On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

 Kee,
 
 Read the data as binary. Use the BOM to detect UTF8/UTF16/UTF32 and the 
 endian. If necessary, switch the bytes to change the endian. Delete the BOM 
 and set the unicodeText of a field to the remaining data.
 
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 Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
 Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
 Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
 
 We make software, websites and webware. We are always looking for new 
 projects. Feel free to contact us and ask for a quote without any further 
 obligations
 http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
 
 Op 9 jan 2010, om 00:57 heeft Kee Nethery het volgende geschreven:
 
 I want to open a unicode file and read it. It has a BOM at the front to 
 indicate what kind of encoding it uses (in this case UTF-16). Do I open this 
 as a text file and read it and unicode goodness happens? Or is it a bunch of 
 binary data that I need to somehow convert into unicode values (ug)?
 
 Kee Nethery
 
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the dragdestination wierdness

Hi all. 

This may or may not be a bug. When I drag from one column of data in a datagrid 
to another column of data in the SAME datagrid, I get what you might expect, 
which is, the dgDataControl of the target contains the long id of the column 
name I am dragging from, and the dragdestination contains the long id of the 
column I am dropping onto. 

HOWEVER...

If I drop on a different place in THE SAME COLUMN, then the dragdestination 
contains _ColumnData_ which really does me no good at all. What I really want 
to do is be able to drag a CELL of a datagrid to another cell in the same 
column so I can reorder JUST THAT COLUMN. 

I cannot believe that the text _ColumnData_ is what the developers intended 
to return under these circumstances. Anyone?


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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Creating data grids by script

2010-01-08 Thread James Hurley


I need to create new cards with data grids on them.

I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly create  
card, but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the dgDataControl  
of the mouseControl.


Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?

Jim Hurley



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Re: Creating data grids by script

2010-01-08 Thread zryip theSlug

Hi Jim,

Have a look here:
http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4488-Creating-A-Data-Grid-By-Hand

2010/1/9 James Hurley jhurley0...@sbcglobal.net:
 I need to create new cards with data grids on them.

 I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly create card,
 but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the dgDataControl of the
 mouseControl.

 Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?

 Jim Hurley




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the dragdestination wierdness

Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid to another 
row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the name of the TEMPLATE 
field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field, that is the field named after 
the column, and the index number. 

Bob


 Hi all. 
 
 This may or may not be a bug. When I drag from one column of data in a 
 datagrid to another column of data in the SAME datagrid, I get what you might 
 expect, which is, the dgDataControl of the target contains the long id of the 
 column name I am dragging from, and the dragdestination contains the long id 
 of the column I am dropping onto. 
 
 HOWEVER...
 
 If I drop on a different place in THE SAME COLUMN, then the dragdestination 
 contains _ColumnData_ which really does me no good at all. What I really 
 want to do is be able to drag a CELL of a datagrid to another cell in the 
 same column so I can reorder JUST THAT COLUMN. 
 
 I cannot believe that the text _ColumnData_ is what the developers intended 
 to return under these circumstances. Anyone?
 
 
 Bob Sneidar
 IT Manager
 Logos Management
 Calvary Chapel CM
 
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Re:Creating data grids by script

2010-01-08 Thread James Hurley


Hi Jim,
Have a look here:
http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid/lessons/4488-Creating-A-Data-Grid-By-Hand





Thanks. That sort of works. The data grid created is a little strange.  
If I select it and hit the delete key, it won't delete. It can be cut  
however.


I might have found this but lesson name reads:

 Creating A Data Grid By Hand
But then the lesson begins:

 This lesson will show you how to create a data grid through  
script.


Perhaps change the By Hand to By Script ?



Thanks again,

Jim




2010/1/9 James Hurley jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net:
I need to create new cards with data grids on them.

I tried copying a DG from one card and pasting into the newly  
create card, but the pasted DG doesn't seem to recognize the  
dgDataControl of the mouseControl.


Is it possible to create a DG by script on a new card?

Jim Hurley

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Re: the dragdestination wierdness


On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid  
to another row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the  
name of the TEMPLATE field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field,  
that is the field named after the column, and the index number.


_ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom  
props of the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.


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Accessing the inaccessible

2010-01-08 Thread James Hurley

RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across  
and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of the  
screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,  
but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.


Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by  
script and then group them?


Jim Hurley



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Re: Accessing the inaccessible

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Gaskin


James Hurley wrote:

RIght now I have a collection of fields arranged in a grid--5 across
and 31 down. They were created by script and run off the bottom of the
screen. I would like to group them and put in a vertical scrollbar,
but I can't get at them to select those off the bottom of the screen.

Any thoughts? Is it possible to select a collection of controls by
script and then group them?


One of the great things about Rev is that if the IDE can do it you can 
do it too. :)


repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields
  set the selected of fld i to true
end repeat
group


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Re: the dragdestination wierdness

Hi Trevor. 

That throws an error. The DragDestination returns the long id of the INSTANCE 
of the template, or so it seems to me. Only the last column is returning the 
long id of the TEMPLATE field itself. In no case do any of the returned fields 
have the property dgColumn. 

I can get the dgColumn of the target, but that does not return the actual row I 
dropped on, but only the column itself. I tried to get the dgRow of the target, 
but of course that didn't work because the target is a column. 

I am going to have to play around some more. I am not sure I am getting this. 
Thanks for the reply. BTW here is my code: 

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
   
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theTargetLongID
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData[private] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   set the dragData[private] to the short name of theDataControl

   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
   put theIndex  return  the dragData[private]
end dragStart
   
on DragDrop
   put the dragDestination into theDestination
   put dragData[private]  return  the short name of theDestination  return 
 the dgColumn of the target 
end DragDrop  


When I drag from column 1 to column 1 on a different row I get this:
PriFields 0001
PriFields 0002
PriFields 


When I drag from any column to the LAST row I get this:
PriFields 0001
_ColumnData_
SecFields

On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

 _ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom props of 
 the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.

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Database access in revlet?

2010-01-08 Thread Devin Asay

I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run  
revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a  
couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and made  
it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to do  
another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query-- 
nothing.


Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project  
up by next week.


Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: the dragdestination wierdness

Here's an update. Seems I was overcomplicating things by trying to read the API 
docs and not knowing what I was doing. This works:

on dragStart
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theDataControl
   
   ## Watch out for dragging on the header
   if theDataControl is empty then pass dragStart
   
   ## Get Data Grid index of control that was clicked on
   put the dgDataControl of the target into theTargetLongID
   put the dgIndex of the dgDataControl of the target into theIndex
   
   ## Tell Data Grid to set the dragImage to the row 
   ## that theIndex is associated with
   set the dgDragImageIndex of me to theIndex
   
   ## Set the dragData[private] so that drag operation
   ## begins
   set the dragData[private] to the short name of theDataControl

   set the dgTrackDragReorder[theIndex] of me to true
end dragStart
   
on DragDrop
   put dragData[private] into theDropSource
   put the short name of the dgDataControl of the target into theDropTarget
   put theDropSource  return  theDropTarget 
end DragDrop  

This returns: 
SecFields 0001
SecFields 0002

As expected, or more specifically, the source of the drag and the destination 
of the drop. I didn't know the dgDataControl of the target changed when I 
executed a drag and drop. I thought it only referred to the source of the drag. 

Bob


On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

 On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
 
 Apparently what is happening is that when I drag within a datagrid to 
 another row in the same datagrid, the DragDestination returns the name of 
 the TEMPLATE field, and NOT the name of the INSTANCE field, that is the 
 field named after the column, and the index number.
 
 _ColumnData_ is the name of the field. You want to access the custom props of 
 the cell. Try checking the dgColumn of the dragDestination.
 
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Re: Database access in revlet?

2010-01-08 Thread Devin Asay

Well, as often happens, the act of posting about my problem triggered  
an idea of something I had forgotten to check. It turns out that I  
forgot I was doing some fancy shell calls to make sure the database  
port was open before  trying to connect to the db. Works just fine as  
a standalone, but the plugin rightly refuses access to shell calls  
unless you ask for permission. I had set it to auto-detect, and it  
didn't catch the shell call. At any rate, I just commented out the  
calls and it worked like a charm.


Going home for the weekend. My head hurts.

Devin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run
revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a
couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and made
it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to do
another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query--
nothing.

Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project
up by next week.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: [OT] Crappy website

2010-01-08 Thread Roger . E . Eller

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Richmond Mathewson
richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote:
 My sister (who knows about these things) tells me that my website looks
like
 a dog's dinner . . .

 Would be very grateful for any feedback comparing this:

 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/default.html  [dog's dinner]

 with this:

 http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

Like Sarah said:
 But for people like me who are not into design, it is often easier to
 start with a CSS template and adapt that to your needs.

Templates are wonderful!  I have recently started a site for my robotics
hobby using a FREE hosting service. I know Richmond likes freebies and I do
too. Take a look at my first go at a website using the online site builder
(also free).  http://www.ellerrobotics.webege.com/

~Roger Eller  roger.e.el...@sealedair.com


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Re: Database access in revlet?

2010-01-08 Thread Devin Asay

One more report: I couldn't get the revlet to work with the shell  
call, even when I manually selected Shell calls under the Security  
settings in the standalone builder. In fact, when the revlet launches  
and asks for the needed permissions, Shell calls is not one of them.  
Process permission is requested, however, even though I hadn't  
selected that setting in the Security settings. I'm wondering if that  
checkbox is wired correctly in the standalone builder.


Can anyone confirm? Have you been able to get shell access in revlets?  
(I'm just going to leave out shell calls for now.)


Devin

On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Well, as often happens, the act of posting about my problem triggered
an idea of something I had forgotten to check. It turns out that I
forgot I was doing some fancy shell calls to make sure the database
port was open before  trying to connect to the db. Works just fine as
a standalone, but the plugin rightly refuses access to shell calls
unless you ask for permission. I had set it to auto-detect, and it
didn't catch the shell call. At any rate, I just commented out the
calls and it worked like a charm.

Going home for the weekend. My head hurts.

Devin


On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


I know there isn't supposed to be any special setup required to run
revlets that access online databases (MySQL in this case). In fact, a
couple of months ago I took a stack that heavily accesses dbs and  
made
it into a revlet, and it worked like a charm. But now I'm trying to  
do

another one and it loads, but whenever it tries to make a db query--
nothing.

Anyone have experience with this? I'm under the gun to get a project
up by next week.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Locking size and position


dunb...@aol.com wrote:

Richard:

That explains that. Thanks. One day I will feel brave enough to look behind 
the curtain of this unbelievably rich program. Right now I am still reading 
the dictionary. I'm on page 5.


You're ahead of most people, I think. :)

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Re: prehandler: (was: Locking size and position)


dunb...@aol.com wrote:

Jacques.

OK, as mainly a development aid I see all that.

Rev is far less forgiving about trapping reserved words than you-know-what, 
so (I think) I cannot write a handler that traps set, checks to see if my 
immovable object is in danger, and acts appropriately.


Right. None of the command or function keywords pass through the message 
hierarchy, they go directly to the engine, so you can't intercept. 
That's one of the reasons Rev is so fast.


There was discussion a while back to have a universal handler trap in the 
engine, way in the front, that could be analyzed at will. What do you think? 
Before even the frontscripts, offer a control structure like:


on preHandler theMessage,paramList
...
end preHandler


It almost always just passes the usual stuff through, but you could check 
it at will to see, perhaps, if 'myImmovableObject' was somewhere in the 
paramList, and catch the set message that might be about to change its loc.


I used to be adamant that we needed a feature like that. I changed my 
mind because there was always some other way to do what I needed. Old 
habits die hard, but eventually they do hibernate.


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Re: Database access in revlet?

2010-01-08 Thread Alejandro Tejada


Hi Devin,

After you finish this project, Could you post a tutorial
or lesson to show how to receive and send data to
a database using a revlet?

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro


Devin Asay wrote:
 
 One more report: I couldn't get the revlet to work with the shell  
 call, even when I manually selected Shell calls under the Security  
 settings in the standalone builder. In fact, when the revlet launches  
 and asks for the needed permissions, Shell calls is not one of them.  
 Process permission is requested, however, even though I hadn't  
 selected that setting in the Security settings. I'm wondering if that  
 checkbox is wired correctly in the standalone builder.
 
 Can anyone confirm? Have you been able to get shell access in revlets?  
 (I'm just going to leave out shell calls for now.)
 
 Devin
 

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Porting Lingo scripts to Revtalk

2010-01-08 Thread Alejandro Tejada


Hi all,

Yesterday, i found this book:

http://garyrosenzweig.com/advancedlingoforgames/toc.html

Now, i am looking for guidelines to port code from
Macromedia Director's Lingo to RevMedia's Revtalk.
Every advice is welcome.

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro
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New On-Rev Set-Up

2010-01-08 Thread Mark


Hello list,

I was wondering if any of you knew what the turn around time was for new 
On-Rev accounts.  I purchased a month to month subscription through 
the runrev.com store a week ago (successfully billed to my cc) and have 
yet to receive any information in regards to the account.


I have also emailed supp...@runrev.com, with only an automated responder 
thanking me for my effort.  Is everyone still on holiday?


Thanks in advance

Mark

P.S.  The mega-bundle has me drooling like a fat kid in a candy store!  
Thanks rev and rev-select partners, what a package!





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Re: New On-Rev Set-Up