Re: group a single object?

[Geoff Canyon Rev]

Seemingly only if the item is not already part of a group (no idea
why). The code I posted will work at any level of nested groups.

gc

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Chipp Walters  wrote:
> Can't you also:
>
> group  img 1
> set the name of it to "mySpecialGrp"
>
> .??
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Re: group a single object?

[Chipp Walters]

Can't you also:

group  img 1
set the name of it to "mySpecialGrp"

.?? 

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On May 11, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way to group a single object?
>> 
>> Something like:
>> 
>>   select image "img1"
>>   group image "img1"
>>   put the ID of the last group into tID
>>   set the name of group tID to "gpImg1"
> 
> You shouldn't need to select anything, you can just write:
> 
>  group image "img1"
> 
> When it comes to groups, however, you can't count on the word "last" to
> refer to the last group on the card (if the group you want is nested within
> another group, for example).  I believe there's a bug report or 2 in the
> RQCC about this, but one workaround is to use the templateGroup and
> establish a name before grouping the object/s.  Like:
> 
> set the name of the templateGroup to "mySpecialGroup"
> group image "img1"
> reset the templateGroup
> 
> You can then refer to the group by name, rather than "last".
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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Re: group a single object?

[Geoff Canyon Rev]

I think this works reasonably well:

   put the layer of btn "target" into L
   set the relayerGroupedControls to true
   create group "container"
   put the long id of it into C
   set the layer of btn "target" to the layer of C
   set the layer of C to L

The business with long id is to make sure there isn't another group
called "container." When I first wrote this I just referred to it by
name, and then of course I tried it twice in a row and it failed the
second time. This version seems to work fine, ever-more-deeply nesting
button "target" into groups called container.
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The topic is the Object Library

[Cal Horner]

In all the time I have been using runrev I have yet to see any postings on
this forum about someone using the "Object Library".

While working on a widget today I found myself wondering why it(the widget)
wasn't in the object library and why the object library wasn't my go to tool


So, I went looking for info on this tool. I dug back, all the way, into 2.2
and the only info I could find was the standard entry in the users manual.

Does anyone use this tool or is it like the appendix?

Am I the only one in the runrev universe that sees a use for the object
library. 

Please let there be more users and if so, how do you find the library?
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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[Geoff Canyon Rev]

Just in case anyone doesn't realize how different the options are, I
wrote this code.

on mouseUp
   repeat 3
  put any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" && random(10)
&& "this is a test string for a fixed-record-length processing test" &
cr after X
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of X
   put ticks() into t1
   repeat 1
  put X into X1
  repeat with i = the number of lines of X1 down to 1
 if char 1 of line i of X1 is "f" then delete line i of X1
  end repeat
   end repeat
   put ticks() - t1 into t1
   put ticks() into t2
   repeat 100
  put X into X2
  filter X2 without "f*"
   end repeat
   put ticks() - t2 into t2
   put ticks() into t3
   repeat 100 times
  put empty into X3
  repeat for each line L in X
 if char 1 of L is "f" then next repeat
 put L & cr after X3
  end repeat
  delete char -1 of X3
   end repeat
   put ticks() - t3 into t3
   put X1 into fld 1
   put X2 into fld 2
   put X3 into fld 3
   put t1 && t2 && t3 && (X1 is X2) && (X2 is X3)
end mouseUp


Note that the filter and repeat for each options each run 100 times,
while the repeat with i = the number of lines of X1 down to 1 example
runs just once. Here are the results:

3096 99 118 true true

So the filter and repeat for each options run in about a sixtieth of a
second (remember, they each ran 100 times), while the repeat with i
=... option takes almost a minute.

The crucial lesson here is avoid expressions like line i of..., but
only slightly less important is the fact that repeat for each works
about as fast as filter. If you have a complex operation to perform on
each line, running multiple filter operations to get it done is likely
not as efficient as a simple repeat for each loop. As a simple
example, repeat for each is faster here:

on mouseUp
   repeat 3
  put any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" && random(10) && \
 "this is a test string for a fixed-record-length
processing test" && \
 any char of "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" & cr after X
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of X
   put ticks() into t2
   repeat 100
  put X into X2
  filter X2 without "f*"
  filter X2 without "*g"
   end repeat
   put ticks() - t2 into t2
   put ticks() into t3
   repeat 100 times
  put empty into X3
  repeat for each line L in X
 if char 1 of L is "f" or char -1 of L is "g" then next repeat
 put L & cr after X3
  end repeat
  delete char -1 of X3
   end repeat
   put ticks() - t3 into t3
   put X1 into fld 1
   put X2 into fld 2
   put X3 into fld 3
   put t2 && t3 && (X2 is X3)
end mouseUp
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Re: group a single object?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Is there a way to group a single object?
> 
> Something like:
> 
>select image "img1"
>group image "img1"
>put the ID of the last group into tID
>set the name of group tID to "gpImg1"

You shouldn't need to select anything, you can just write:

  group image "img1"

When it comes to groups, however, you can't count on the word "last" to
refer to the last group on the card (if the group you want is nested within
another group, for example).  I believe there's a bug report or 2 in the
RQCC about this, but one workaround is to use the templateGroup and
establish a name before grouping the object/s.  Like:

 set the name of the templateGroup to "mySpecialGroup"
 group image "img1"
 reset the templateGroup

You can then refer to the group by name, rather than "last".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Why does grouping work in this case?

Because a group is essentially a transparent object.  And since the export
routine was updated (Rev 3?) to handle the alpha blending of objects,
everything within the group that is blended against the card -- including
glows -- is included in the export.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Jacque Landman Gay wrote:

>> The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I
>> now see that Sun is the latest collaborator.  I'm downloading the latest
>> version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm
>> curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port.
> 
> Could you post the download link? I did download it from somewhere about
> a year ago, but it was a mess of incomprehensible files with
> installation instructions I couldn't follow, so I gave up. There's
> something for Mac?

Dude, they've had a Mac app for maybe a couple of years now?  There's a beta
(v3) here:


I'm just opening it now and it looks they've revamped the UI a bit (it's
still pretty amateur looking) but the basic arrangement is still similar to
v2, from what I can recall.  It'll take some time to figure out what has
changed -- it's been a while.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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group a single object?

[Nicolas Cueto]

Is there a way to group a single object?

Something like:

   select image "img1"
   group image "img1"
   put the ID of the last group into tID
   set the name of group tID to "gpImg1"

Thank you.

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Re: single bit contact closure input [macintosh]

[Kay C Lan]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:54 AM, stephen barncard <
stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:

> That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying
> some
> kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do this
> -
> the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive.   "Revolution on a Network
> based Chip" would be cool about now...
>
> You might want to take a look at this then:

http://www.modtronix.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_36&products_id=149

Good luck
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Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...

[Geoff Canyon Rev]

Waay back when I wrote mcRipper:

http://inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html

It exported to XML, and re-constituted from the XML. I haven't looked
at it in about ten years. It never broke anything, but always use it
on a copy of your files.

gc

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Andre Garzia  wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all
> properties and scripts to an XML file?
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port

[J. Landman Gay]

Scott Rossi wrote:

Recently, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level.


What are you thinking of building here Tom?

The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I
now see that Sun is the latest collaborator.  I'm downloading the latest
version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm
curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port.


Could you post the download link? I did download it from somewhere about 
a year ago, but it was a mess of incomprehensible files with 
installation instructions I couldn't follow, so I gave up. There's 
something for Mac?


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Re: Application Information - how to read from settings

[J. Landman Gay]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Mark Stuart wrote:

Hi Richard,
I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it:

on mouseUp
   put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings
   answer tSettings
end mouseUp

but it displayed nothing in the dialog.

What am I missing?


That's a custom property set, not a single property.  To get those 
values you can do this:


  put the customPropertySet["cRevStandaloneSettings"] \
   of stack "MyStack" into tMyArray

That gives you the array of data; you can see all the values with:

  combine tMyArray with return and tab
  put tMyArray


That'd be best because you'd get a text listing. But Mark, if you just 
want to look at them, you can also do this:


Turn on Revolution UI Elements in Lists in the View menu.
Open the property inspector for the stack.
In the custom properties pane, look for the cRevStandaloneSettings 
property set.

Click on it and all the properties will display.

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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[David C.]

>>> David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just
>>> use the filter command.
>>>
>>> filter tHold without "F*"
>>
>> The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the
>> first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other
>> approaches that you and Nicolas have offered.
>
> David - if you have that many lines and you need to run each line though a
> number of processes then I'd definitely use the repeat for each form.
>
> Terry...

Yup, the amount of processing on this one is a real monster.
The app will convert a "fixed field" flat file into tab delimited
format, constructing a proper header, filtering out (deleting) the
items that are not required, adding decimals in the right position in
a couple of fields, then finally logically inserting dash(es) "-"  in
specific places, based on the length and content of each string
containing from 6 to 13 alphanumeric characters... all while
maintaining a copy of the original item number.

With all of the great assistance for making selective deletions, I
actually have the majority of it coded and functional. Still need to
do some fine tuning on the strategic/logical placement of dashes
though. This little puppy will run as slow as molasses, so thankfully
my client won't need to use it more than once per quarter.

Then I get to build a second version that keeps the deleted "F" items
in place while removing everything else.
Oh what a joy. ;-)

Thanks to all of you for the help... very much appreciated!
David C.
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Re: Application Information - how to read from settings

[Mark Stuart]

Hi Richard,
Now that you gave me the custom property name, I searched the archive for
it, and found very helpful information on how to find the Standalone
properties in the main stack.

I think this kind of stuff should be readily available to a rev developer
and not "hidden" in a custom property, as it does not appear in a search in
the Dictionary or in the User Guide. These are the basic things for a
developer to want to access, for their application.

Regards,
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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Nicolas Cueto]

Scott, that worked. Grouping before exporting served to retain both
the transparency and graphic effect of the image.

Thanks.

(BTW: Why does grouping work in this case?)

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Re: Application Information - how to read from settings

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Stuart wrote:

Hi Richard,
I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it:

on mouseUp
   put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings
   answer tSettings
end mouseUp

but it displayed nothing in the dialog.

What am I missing?


That's a custom property set, not a single property.  To get those 
values you can do this:


  put the customPropertySet["cRevStandaloneSettings"] \
   of stack "MyStack" into tMyArray

That gives you the array of data; you can see all the values with:

  combine tMyArray with return and tab
  put tMyArray



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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Terry Judd]

> If you need to maintain transparency, the easiest way is to group the things
> you want to export, with enough margin space to accommodate the glow
> effects, and export the group.

Nice.

Terry...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[Terry Judd]

On 11/05/10 1:06 PM, "David C."  wrote:

>> David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just
>> use the filter command.
>> 
>> filter tHold without "F*"
> 
> The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the
> first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other
> approaches that you and Nicolas have offered.

David - if you have that many lines and you need to run each line though a
number of processes then I'd definitely use the repeat for each form.

Terry...

> 
>> When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold
>> changes. So, tCount no longer meshes
> 
> That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess
> I've been overlooking the obvious.
> 
> Thank you very much to both Terry & Nicolas.
> 
> Best regards,
> David C.
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level.

What are you thinking of building here Tom?

The last version I saw was when EA had partnered with Carnegie Mellon -- I
now see that Sun is the latest collaborator.  I'm downloading the latest
version as I write this, but since they have IDEs for Win/Mac platforms, I'm
curious what would you expect to provide with a Rev port.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original
> text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters.
> 
> Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported
> image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported
> image too loses the graphic effect.
> 
> Is there a way around this too?

If you need to maintain transparency, the easiest way is to group the things
you want to export, with enough margin space to accommodate the glow
effects, and export the group.  If you don't need transparency, you can just
export from a rect which is large enough to include the glow.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: Application Information - how to read from settings

[Mark Stuart]

Hi Richard,
I placed a button on the Main stack and put this script into it:

on mouseUp
   put the cRevStandaloneSettings of this stack into tSettings
   answer tSettings
end mouseUp

but it displayed nothing in the dialog.

What am I missing?

Regards,
Mark Stuart
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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[Sarah Reichelt]

>> When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold
>> changes. So, tCount no longer meshes
>
> That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess
> I've been overlooking the obvious.

If you really want to do it with a loop, count backwards, then it will
work fine.

 repeat with j = tCount down to 1
 if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold
 end repeat

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Terry Judd]

On 11/05/10 12:42 PM, "Nicolas Cueto"  wrote:

> Terry, thank you for pointing out "import snapshot".
> 
> It almost worked.
> 
> Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original
> text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters.
> 
> Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported
> image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported
> image too loses the graphic effect.
> 
> Is there a way around this too?

If you want to maintain the transparency then apparently not. You might be
able to fashion a solution in Rev if you use import or export snapshot to
grab the relevant part of the screen ­ this retains the graphic effect but
gives you an opaque background. Use a white background and convert your
field coordinates to screen coords using globalLoc before you take your
snapshot, then when you've got your snapshot in Rev apply an appropriate ink
effect to it to render the background transparent (blendMultiply might do it
for you).

HTH,

Terry...

> 
> --
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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[David C.]

> David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just
> use the filter command.
>
> filter tHold without "F*"

The list is currently running almost 30,000 lines and this is just the
first stage of the required processing, so I'll try the other
approaches that you and Nicolas have offered.

> When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold
> changes. So, tCount no longer meshes

That actually makes a lot of sense now that you mention it... guess
I've been overlooking the obvious.

Thank you very much to both Terry & Nicolas.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Application Information - how to read from settings

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Stuart wrote:


Anyone know how to read the stacks Standalone Application Settings?
Such as:
Product Name, File Version, Product Version, Comments, Legal Trademarks,
etc...


Those are stored in a custom property set named cRevStandaloneSettings, 
which are part of the mainstack of the stack file that becomes your 
executable.


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Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[Josh Mellicker]

With all sympathies to those who are understandably deeply disappointed, there 
is a silver lining to this news:


On May 10, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> ...we are ...focusing on developing significant and exciting enhancements to 
> the Rev platform. We have many exciting projects in the pipeline including an 
> overhaul to our Unicode support, enhanced text display...

If this pipeline also includes improving core functionality of the desktop IDE, 
from things like the player object to widgets to fixing bugs, as well as more 
focus on feature parity for Linux, it could end up being great for all of us.

For a small company, focusing on core competencies is a really good thing, and 
the one thing RunRev unquestionably does better than anyone else in the world 
is a best-in-class cross-platform desktop software dev environment.




On May 10, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> We've broken haggis together.


Then you've gone further than I ever would :-)


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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[Nicolas Cueto]

David,

When you "delete line j of tHold", the number of lines in tHold
changes. So, tCount no longer meshes.

This is what I do instead:

put empty into tHoldFiltered
repeat for each line tLine in tHold
if character 1 of tLine is "F" then next repeat
put tLine & cr after tHoldFiltered
end repeat
if tHoldFiltered is not empty then delete the last char of tHoldFiltered
put tHoldFiltered into tHold


Cheers.

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Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...

[Josh Mellicker]

Hi André,

There's this:

http://revcoders.org/resources/exportscripts.rev.zip

it doesn't export as XML, but a text file... and scripts only, no props. But if 
you have to start from scratch I hope it saves you some time in creating what 
you really want.



On May 10, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Hello Folks,
> 
> Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all
> properties and scripts to an XML file?
> 
> I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it
> is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls?
> is something along the lines of
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack
>  repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack
>...
>  end repeat
> end repeat
> 
> ok?
> 
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Re: Strange results in deletion of lines

[Terry Judd]

David - unless you have huge numbers of lines it's probably easiest to just
use the filter command.

filter tHold without "F*"

The reason your repeat method isn't working is that tCount is only valid
until the first deletion takes place

So either use...

repeat with j = tCount down to 1
  if char 1 of line j of tHold is "F" then delete line j of tHold
end repeat

Or use the repeat for each form and build a new list as you go...

put empty into tList
repeat for each line tID in tHold
  if char 1 of tID is "F" then put tID cr after tList
end repeat
delete last char of tList -- removes the trailing CR

HTH,

Terry...


On 11/05/10 12:34 PM, "David C."  wrote:

> Hey folks,
> I've run into something weird again (at least it seems weird to me)
> and need some help. I have a variable named tHold that contains the
> following (targeted) lines of text among many others:
> 
> FB460V-CS05
> FD620DCS26
> FD751VAS00
> FE290DDS00
> FE290DES17
> FE400DES03
> FH381VAS29R
> FH430VBT25M
> 
> What I'm trying to do is to delete any line that begins with "F" and
> the working code looks something like this:
> 
> put the number of lines in tHold into tCount
> 
>   repeat with j = 1 to tCount
>   if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold
>   end repeat
> 
> For some reason that I cannot detect, it removes only 4 of the eight
> potential lines that are targeted although they all clearly begin with
> an "F". I've checked and double-checked my sample data to make sure
> there are not any spaces preceding the "F" character for each.
> 
> Ideas? Better method?
> 
> Best regards,
> David C.
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- ALICE port

[Thomas McGrath III]

I am so very very interested in pushing an ALICE port to the next level. If you 
have a start in MC, regardless of code quality, it would still be the spark 
needed for pushing a new effort in creating this. Again, I have wanted to 
create this for a long time with many false starts and course corrections. I 
actually started one years ago in SC but have since lost that code. So, if 
anyone else is interested in working on this I am ready to devote some time to 
it. Our community could use a project like this in times like this, I think.

Jacque? David? 

This would be most awesome.

Tom McGrath

On May 10, 2010, at 1:30 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Yes I did - but this was a very very long time ago - back when i was using
> MetaCard (some time last century - so I can't vouch for the code quality). I
> was interested at the time in using it for customer service and game
> applications... and in the end I figured it was better to simply run an
> Alice server and call it as a web service than have to maintain an extra
> code base.
> 
> On 10 May 2010 17:51, J. Landman Gay  wrote:
> 
>> David Bovill wrote:
>> 
>>> On 10 May 2010 07:37, Alejandro Tejada  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many years ago, someone mentioned in this list that him/her/them was
 working in a revTalk port of ALICE. I just keep wondering if that
 project was completed sucessfully...
 
 
>>> Yes - I did that. I truly apologies to all on this list :( I forgot to
>>> code
>>> the off button.
>>> 
>> 
>> Did you really, or was this an amusing comeback only? I would love to see a
>> Rev port of ALICE. Did anyone actually do that?
>> 
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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Nicolas Cueto]

Terry, thank you for pointing out "import snapshot".

It almost worked.

Problem is outerGlow is lost during import. In the original
text-field, I use outerGlow to add fuzziness to the edges of letters.

Tried to get around this by setting the outerGlow of the imported
image the same as the text-field and then exporting. But, the exported
image too loses the graphic effect.

Is there a way around this too?

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Strange results in deletion of lines

[David C.]

Hey folks,
I've run into something weird again (at least it seems weird to me)
and need some help. I have a variable named tHold that contains the
following (targeted) lines of text among many others:

FB460V-CS05
FD620DCS26
FD751VAS00
FE290DDS00
FE290DES17
FE400DES03
FH381VAS29R
FH430VBT25M

What I'm trying to do is to delete any line that begins with "F" and
the working code looks something like this:

put the number of lines in tHold into tCount

  repeat with j = 1 to tCount
  if character 1 of line j of tHold = "F" then delete line j of tHold
  end repeat

For some reason that I cannot detect, it removes only 4 of the eight
potential lines that are targeted although they all clearly begin with
an "F". I've checked and double-checked my sample data to make sure
there are not any spaces preceding the "F" character for each.

Ideas? Better method?

Best regards,
David C.
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Application Information - how to read from settings

[Mark Stuart]

Hi all,
Anyone know how to read the stacks Standalone Application Settings?
Such as:
Product Name, File Version, Product Version, Comments, Legal Trademarks,
etc...

I don't want to have to duplicate my own globals or constants and have to
maintain them.

And what are the variable names for these settings?

Regards,
Mark Stuart
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Re: export snapshot transparent?

[Terry Judd]

You could copy the word you want to create an image of into a transparent
(non-opaque) field, resize it to fit the text (using formattedWidth and
formattedHeight), then use the import snapshot command to create an image
object. This will retain the transparency and you can do whatever you want
with it from there (e.g. Export it in whatever format or use it within Rev).

HTH,

Terry...


On 11/05/10 11:43 AM, "Nicolas Cueto"  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> To convert into transparent images (PNG or GIF) each of the words in a
> word-list, I am thinking of using Rev's "export snapshot" thus:
> 
>   put "elephant" into tNewWordEnglish
>   put adjustFieldSizeToWordLength(tNewWordEnglish) into tNewRect
>   set the rect of field "exportEnglish" to tNewRect
>   put tNewWordEnglish into field "exportEnglish"
>   export snapshot from rect tNewRect of window tWIS to file tPath as PNG
>   put "zousan" into tNewWordJapanese
>   ...
> 
> Obviously this isn't going to result in a transparent image but, is
> there a way of configuring "things" so that it might?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> (And if you're wondering why export the words as images instead of
> simply relying on text-fields... to ensure young Japanese learners see
> font-wise what their teacher rather than the OS's limitations
> intended. I realize there's "revFontLoad", but long painful experience
> teaches me to not rely on how Rev and Windows-on-Japanese-PCs interact
> font-wise. Even today, despite running the latest version of Rev on
> the latest Windows OS, when coding in Rev my fingers automatically
> adjust to Rev's imaginary keyboard layout rather than the actual
> physical keyboard layout of my Japanese machine.)
> 
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export snapshot transparent?

[Nicolas Cueto]

Hello,

To convert into transparent images (PNG or GIF) each of the words in a
word-list, I am thinking of using Rev's "export snapshot" thus:

  put "elephant" into tNewWordEnglish
  put adjustFieldSizeToWordLength(tNewWordEnglish) into tNewRect
  set the rect of field "exportEnglish" to tNewRect
  put tNewWordEnglish into field "exportEnglish"
  export snapshot from rect tNewRect of window tWIS to file tPath as PNG
  put "zousan" into tNewWordJapanese
  ...

Obviously this isn't going to result in a transparent image but, is
there a way of configuring "things" so that it might?

Thank you.

(And if you're wondering why export the words as images instead of
simply relying on text-fields... to ensure young Japanese learners see
font-wise what their teacher rather than the OS's limitations
intended. I realize there's "revFontLoad", but long painful experience
teaches me to not rely on how Rev and Windows-on-Japanese-PCs interact
font-wise. Even today, despite running the latest version of Rev on
the latest Windows OS, when coding in Rev my fingers automatically
adjust to Rev's imaginary keyboard layout rather than the actual
physical keyboard layout of my Japanese machine.)

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Re: News on revMobile

[Judy Perry]

Yeah, the Newton is awesome... the eMate even more so.

Judy

On Mon, 10 May 2010, Andre Garzia wrote:


And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL
BETTER

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Slightly OT: Interesting stats in light of Kevin's announcement

[David C.]

I ran across this and thought it was interesting in light of today's
announcement in regard to future plans for revMobile.

"The day is coming when all mobile phones will be “smart," and the
majority of them will be running something besides the iPhone OS."

http://tiny.cc/nbsy9

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Devin Asay wrote:

>> OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a rectangle... :(
>> buf...
>> 
>> It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular
>> shape? 
>> 
>> Maybe I trying something not posible...
> 
> Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have
> figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask.

It just occurred to me, if you don't mind using the group/ink option, you
can mask using the technique shown on the second card of this stack (execute
the following in your message box):
go url 
"http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/masking_options.rev";

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: [OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe

[Ian Wood]

Unfortunately step 1 in their peace plan shows a frightening lack of  
technical knowledge, and the other points aren't much better. :-(


VP6 and Spark would both have to be decoded on the CPU, leading to  
*exactly* the kind of battery draining performance that Jobs  
complained about. h264 plays acceptably on mobiles because they have  
dedicated h264-decoding chips built in. Plus as far as I'm aware  
Mobile Safari doesn't have a plug-in architecture in the first place...


Ian

On 10 May 2010, at 22:43, Chipp Walters wrote:


http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878

Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple?

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
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Ann: SearchListLib

[Mark Schonewille]

Hello Rev users,

Today, I have been working on a search list field, which ended up as a  
library.


SearchListLib is a freeware library for Runtime Revolution. Enter text  
in a field and watch all relevant items in your list appear in a menu.  
The result is similar to a combobox, but it shows relevant items only  
and handles keystrokes such as tab, escape and return better.


You can download SearchListLib from http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html 
 at the bottom of the page.


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a  
quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html


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Re: News on revMobile

[David Bovill]

On 10 May 2010 19:11, Andre Garzia  wrote:

>
> As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a
> comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to
> macs
> in 2000.
>

Me too!

Actually, in the same way that it looks like the future of consumer oriented
operating systems at Apple is going to be the iPhone OS, it also looks like
the (consumer oriented) Linux of the future is going to be Android. For me,
this bodes well in the longer term for Revolution.

That is because at last RunRev will be forced to prioritize both Linux (ie
Android) and to create a robust open source  development strategy. I'm NOT
talking here about open sourcing all of the Revolution engine - but because
of the way I understand RunRev are proposing developing for Android, it does
seem that there will be a need to start to engage with a wider open  source
community. This is because the Rev engine will be called by Android front
end widgets - which in turn will be open source. In other words the front
end will be open source and the Rev back end closed. This in turn will mean
that belatedly RunRev will inevitably be led down the path of learning how
to use classic open source community building strategies. This in turn will
have spin off benefits for the server side integration with other open
source platforms.

I'd predict that in time, Apple will open up, and we'll get Rev on iOS, so
while I love the iPad and iPhone platforms as consumer oriented hardware
(and will have to shelve 2 iPad related projects) - I'm secretly really
pleased about the new focus on Android :)
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Will trade iPhone development for revServer development

[Thomas McGrath III]

I am willing to discuss trading equal services for those that were relying on 
developing for the iPhone/iPad. I have written four applications for the iPhone 
and iPad so far, two of which are for my self and two others were for a client. 
I have been prototyping iPhone apps since the beginning and smartphone apps for 
nine years, eight of which were in RunRev. The four applications were written 
exclusively in ObjectiveC using Apples APIs and Apples xCode application.

What I need in return is some revServer work to compliment a few of my 
iPhone/iPad projects. 

If you are interested in swapping time for time let me know off list at 
mcgra...@mac.com

Sincerely,


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
3mcgr...@comcast.net

I Can Speak - Communication for the rest of us...
http://mypad.lazyriver.on-rev.com

I Can Speak on the iPad Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/i-can-speak/id364733279?mt=8

DeMoted - Have you DeMoted Someone today?
http://demoted.lazyriver.on-rev.com

DeMoted on the iTune App Store
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/demoted/id355925236?mt=8











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[Data Grid] Template column behavior problem

[zryip theSlug]

Hi All and presumably Trevor,

I have two Data Grids Tables, one in a mainstack and another in a substack.
I duplicated my mainstack Data Grid in the substack by a quick
copy/paste, and I defined a column behavior in my substack Data Grid.
So, in the two Data Grids, I have the same column names.

It seems my column in the mainstack Data Grid inherits the column
behavior of the second.

I can understand what happens if I refer to the lesson "How Do I
Customize A Table's Columns?"

<.quote>
Here is what the table looks like now that I've defined some custom
column templates. The table found controls named "Genre", "Time" and
"My Rating" in the record template group so those were used to render
the data for those three columns.
<./quote>

If I assume that it exists one card template group for each Data Grid
I created in a stack:
- Is my problem can come from this duplication?
- Can I fix it by setting manually the dgColumnTemplate?


TIA for any help. 8-)


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[OT] InfoWorld's Peace Plan for Apple vs Adobe

[Chipp Walters]

http://www.infoworld.com/print/122878

Interesting read. I suspect Adobe may play, but will Apple?

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
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RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the 
> assumption that Steve Jobs was making reasonable decisions 
> based on concerns about compatibility, stability and 
> longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal 
> that Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think 
> Steve Jobs is falling into that trap where people think 
> absolute control results in some kind of utopia. I think he is wrong. 

He's a smart, smart guy - nobody is infallible though.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

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RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone ->[OT] Now

[Lynn Fredricks]

> You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the 
> best group calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang 
> hasn't seen it's match since!

It was a great company. I was international sales manager there, then after
it was acquired by Qualcomm, went over and did my thing there. Sadly, a few
years later Qualcomm sold it all off to a "new" Now Software. They never got
a successor out the door and ended up closing earlier this year.

The laid back Portland culture didn't quite mesh with Qualcomm. There was a
time during a mass staff phone conference (team in San Diego, team in
Portland) on a Friday when a tech writer came into the room announcing "Oh
yeah, the keg is here!", while rolling in the Beer Bash Friday keg (a
forbidden practice at qualcomm). 

A VP on the other end said "what was that?"

Then a marketing guy in Portland said "Yeah, the *cake* is here - its Greg's
birthday!"

So the SD team sang Greg a Happy Birthday song as we lined up with our
plastic cups...

What is funny is the very last release of Now Utilities actually came from
my own budget. We had a bunch of fixes made to placate our Japanese friends
who sold NU-J. Qualcomm sat on the English version for over a year until
they finally got around to releasing it to the world. I was long gone at
that point.

Now was quite close to Apple back then. Good times indeed.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com

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Re: News on revMobile

[Chipp Walters]

I guess they don't hire geniuses at those Apple stores. ;-)

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On May 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and 
> Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have 
> accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that 
> he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any 
> development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is 
> unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from 
> their own compiler. 
> 
> So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he 
> let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a 
> very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he 
> insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their 
> products. I said, "Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want 
> the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for 
> ALL apps for ALL apple products?" His answer was, "Well if it improves 
> stability, sure, why not?" 
> 
> Be afraid. Be very afraid. 
> 
> Bob
> 
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Bob Sneidar]

You worked for Now Software? That is in my opinion one of the best software 
companies I ever had dealings with. I really loved their Contact/Up-To-Date. 

Concerning my prior posts, I had been operating on the assumption that Steve 
Jobs was making reasonable decisions based on concerns about compatibility, 
stability and longevity, but after his recent rejection of the proposal that 
Runrev has made, I don't think that way anymore. I think Steve Jobs is falling 
into that trap where people think absolute control results in some kind of 
utopia. I think he is wrong. 

Cooperation, and all the evils and good that come along with it is the only way 
he is going to progress the platform. Otherwise Apple really is going to become 
another Microsoft. 

Bob


On May 10, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many 
>> of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy 
>> they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get 
>> the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves 
>> would have been deemed finger pointing.
> 
> I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with
> this on Mac OS.
> 
> Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and
> later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple
> support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later
> when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an
> application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying
> structure changing so radically from a .# to .#.
> 
> Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary.
> 
> There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App
> Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way,
> if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then
> customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the
> market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep
> them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could
> survive a hardware reset.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> Mirye Software Publishing
> http://www.mirye.com
> 
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Re: News on revMobile

[Chipp Walters]

Great links Richard. I would suggest anyone remotely interested in
developing for Android should check them out!

I seriously doubt Google and Android would pull such a stunt as Jobs and try
and outlaw cross platform dev apps for Android. After all, unlike Apple,
they have a mantra, and it is "Do No Evil."

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Well done, Kevin.
>
> Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in
> good and strong company into this new mobile arena:
>
>
> I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication.
> 
>
> 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob
> <
> http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob
> >
>
> Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools
> <
> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/
> >
>
> Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US
> <
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html
> >
>
> Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use
> <
> http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use
> >
>
> Android Market app count surges 68% in March
> <
> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/
> >
>
>
> Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice:
> I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :)
>
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Re: News on revMobile

[Bob Sneidar]

I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and 
Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have 
accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that 
he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any 
development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is 
unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from 
their own compiler. 

So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he 
let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a 
very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he 
insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their 
products. I said, "Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want 
the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL 
apps for ALL apple products?" His answer was, "Well if it improves stability, 
sure, why not?" 

Be afraid. Be very afraid. 

Bob


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Re: Send delete file in time

[Bill Vlahos]

Mark and Scott,

You guys are awesome. That worked.

Thank you,
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On May 10, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:
> 
>> I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue 
>> the
>> "delete file..." command it works right away.
>> delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName  -- Works
>> 
>> How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the
>> following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to".
>> send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 
>> seconds
>> -- Gets a compiler error
> 
> Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds.
> 
> send "deleteTempFile pFileName" to me in 20 secs
> 
> on deleteTempFile pFileName
>   delete file "Folder/temp/" & pFileName
> end deleteTempFile
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[Wilhelm Sanke]

JosepM jmyepes at mac.com wrote:


OK. Now is imported into imagedata, but now say that is not a 
rectangle... :(

buf...

It's posible to export or copy a portion of the image but with a irregular
shape? 



and Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com answered:



Recently, Devin Asay wrote:

> Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list 
who have

> figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask.

You can't.  You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink
effects.  Very limiting.  You can see the Spotlight demo on this page 
as an

example:





Hello Joseph,

It *is* possible to "export or copy a portion of the image but with a 
irregular

shape".

Check out our stack "More about masks"



Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone ->[OT] Now

[Chipp Walters]

You were at Now? What a great company. Now-Up-To-Date was the best group
calendar our company ever used. And Boomerang hasn't seen it's match since!

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> When I was at Now,
>
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Re: Send delete file in time

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the
> "delete file..." command it works right away.
> delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName  -- Works
> 
> How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the
> following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to".
> send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds
> -- Gets a compiler error

Create a new handler/command and send it after 20 seconds.

send "deleteTempFile pFileName" to me in 20 secs

on deleteTempFile pFileName
   delete file "Folder/temp/" & pFileName
end deleteTempFile


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: Send delete file in time

[Mark Schonewille]

Bill,

put "The original name" into originalFileName
send "deleteFile originalFileName" to me in 20 secs

on deleteFile originalFileName
  delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName
end deleteFile


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On 10 mei 2010, at 22:19, Bill Vlahos wrote:

I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just  
issue the "delete file..." command it works right away.

delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName  -- Works

How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue  
the following it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to".
send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in  
20 seconds -- Gets a compiler error


Bill Vlahos



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Send delete file in time

[Bill Vlahos]

I want to delete a file on disk but not do it immediately. If I just issue the 
"delete file..." command it works right away.
delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName  -- Works

How do I issue the command to delete it in 20 seconds? If I issue the following 
it gets a compiler error "missing a comma near the to".
send delete file "Folder/temp/" & originalFileName to this stack in 20 seconds 
-- Gets a compiler error

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RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many 
> of the apps originally written for the iPhone were so buggy 
> they were causing kernel crashes all the time? Who would get 
> the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to defend themselves 
> would have been deemed finger pointing.

I don't want to dig into this snowball but I have first hand experience with
this on Mac OS.

Apple isn't shy about blaming the developer at all. When I was at Now, and
later at Qualcomm peddling Eudora, I had first hand knowledge of Apple
support blaming bugginess on the developer, no matter what the cause. Later
when those early, very lame releases of Mac OS X were released and an
application caused havok, it was the vendor's fault, not that the underlying
structure changing so radically from a .# to .#.

Apple finger points just fine if they think its necessary.

There is a less draconian solution. Make it possible to install non App
Store apps, but have all the restrictions apply to App Store apps. That way,
if Apple is right and non tested/non conforming apps are so bad, then
customers will only buy from the App Store. That lets the customer and the
market decide. App Store apps can even live in a different partition to keep
them separate from dirty, filthy non conforming apps, so that they could
survive a hardware reset.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Mirye Software Publishing
http://www.mirye.com



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Re: single bit contact closure input [macintosh]

[stephen barncard]

That is the cheapest USB solution. At this point I'm thinking of trying some
kind of IP based device if I'm going to use a piece of hardware to do this -
the 15 foot USB limit is somewhat restrictive.   "Revolution on a Network
based Chip" would be cool about now...

On 10 May 2010 01:18, Kay C Lan  wrote:

> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, stephen barncard <
> stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > yes, very nice stuff. A "Revolution External" is mentioned.
> >
>
> A little late to the thread but I think this might be a cheaper option -
> 8/8/8:
>
> http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0
>
> Someones written an AppleScript OSAX to go with it, which might suit your
> needs, if you were the one that wrote the original AS:
>
> http://www.phidgets.com/phorum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2536
>
>
> >
> > A lot of trouble for one bit. Maybe I'll just hack a couple of wires to
> the
> > M key on an old keyboard.
> >
> > Still, as you say, a lot of extra there for just a single bit.
>
> HTH
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RE: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Randall Lee Reetz]

Thank you...  Well said.

-Original Message-
From: Bob Sneidar 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 12:09 PM
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you 
see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that 
Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but 
the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. 

I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in 
Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps 
that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect 
stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder 
advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said 
they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions 
of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. 

Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps 
originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel 
crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to 
defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy 
that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with 
ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the 
ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the 
software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. 

Bob


On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the 
> subject.
> 
> http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311
> 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
> 
> On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Really?? That is what Apple wants?
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Josh,
>>> 
>>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They 
>>> don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. 
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Re: News on revMobile

[Peter Alcibiades]

Very, very sorry to hear this, despite having had no personal interest in
developing in Rev for iPhone or iPad.  It is a serious disappointment, and
you along with many others deserved better from Apple.   Which they will one
day come to understand.  These things always come around in the end.  Good
luck with Android.

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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in
> Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps
> that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect
> stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder
> advancements in the iPhone OS.

I would say denying developers tools of their choice will probably do a good
enough job of hindering advancement of iPhone OS.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, JosepM wrote:

> I understand you but I don't know the "hidden point" technique :)
> Where add a space in the polygon's list?

A polygon is derived from a list of points, one per line:

23,181
42,190
36,195
23,181

Adding an empty line between points in the list adds an invisible point to
the polygon that changes the polygon's dimensions without adding to the fill
or stroke of the polygon.

5,181

23,181
42,190
36,195
23,181

Using this technique, one could establish the *physical* topleft of a
polygon to occur at one location while the *visible* topleft of the polygon
occurs at a different location.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Chipp Walters]

Bob, 

You're more than welcome to your opinion as an Apple apologist-- though I would 
say your timing right now is probably not the best. I disagree with just about 
everything you say. You obviously haven't been following our discussion here 
over the past few weeks where all of your points have been addressed. I have 
documented my discussion fairly well at the blogs:

http://shaferwaltersgroup.posterous.com/
and
http://chippwalters.posterous.com/

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On May 10, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you 
> see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling 
> that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any 
> iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. 
> 
> I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in 
> Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps 
> that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect 
> stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder 
> advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said 
> they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the 
> restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. 
> 
> Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps 
> originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel 
> crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt 
> to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am 
> happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply 
> with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to 
> the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the 
> software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building 
> codes. 
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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[JosepM]

Mmhh.. but with the backpattern in correct position how crop only these
shape... 

Sorry for my questions, never I must fighted with graphics issues in Rev
until now... :)

The following is posible?
1 Export the snapshot ruled by the rect of a polygon over one part of the
image. 
2 Load the exported image and superpose the same graphic and make
transparent the difference. I don't know if I explain myself.
3 Save as transparent the image
4 Load the transparent image over the original image.

It's for simulate painted walls, and I need extract the windows, picture
frames and other nice stuff... :P

Salut,
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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Andre Garzia]

Bob,

You can still break iPhone OS writting Objective-C...

If you or jobs doubt that, I invite you guys to look at my own ObjC
developments. I can break any hardware.

Now, they are mixing correlation with causation. Cross platform is not the
bad guy here, poor programmers are. One can write good cross platform
software respecting everything from UIs to Memory Management stuff. Cross
platform software can be a good citizen. Poor programmers can screw any
machine no matter the language used.

silly apple.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if
> you see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the
> feeling that Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't
> think any iPad but the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else.
>
> I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in
> Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop
> apps that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or
> affect stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to
> hinder advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times
> Microsoft said they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with
> the restrictions of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my
> mind.
>
> Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps
> originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel
> crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt
> to defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am
> happy that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply
> with ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to
> the ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the
> software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building
> codes.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the
> subject.
> >
> > http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311
> >
> > Chipp Walters
> > CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
> >
> > On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> >
> >> Really?? That is what Apple wants?
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> Josh,
> >>>
> >>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries.
> They don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development.
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RE: News on revMobile

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the 
> rejection.  Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the 
> various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several 
> thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that 
> developers are being forced to look at other platforms.

Ive sent out feelers to my press contacts about it. I strongly suggest
everyone else does as well. I think there's an excellent market for
applications that can be deployed on Mac OS X andAndroid :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...

[-= JB =-]

There was and Tree View stack that the person programming it said
he would release a full version in around April 2010 but I don't know
the name of the stack and have not heard anything about it being
released.  He was going to charge a small fee for it when the full
version was released.

-=>JB<=-



On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:


 On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote:

Hello Folks,

Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack  
with all

properties and scripts to an XML file?

I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't  
remember it
is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all  
controls?

is something along the lines of

repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this  
stack
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this  
stack

 ...
   end repeat
end repeat

ok?


Do you mean "xmltree-view.rev" ???

If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar':

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip

If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks
backed up over here.
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Re: News on revMobile

[andr...@medone.ch]

The combination of iPhone / iPad AND Windows app development has been seen as a 
great opportunity for a lot of developers.
There where great ideas. So many developer had a HyperCard / RunRev Project to 
bring to the iPhone AND other platforms.
A problem for Apple?

Would be great if Apple changes there minds!

As others, I have spent a lot of time and effort to bring RunRev Apps on the 
iPhone.

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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[JosepM]

Hi,

Thanks for the replies..
I see the sample Spotlight, very cool.

I understand you but I don't know the "hidden point" technique :)
Where add a space in the polygon's list?


Salut,
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Android over iPad (was RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement)

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in 
> the transformation department with their announcement today. 
> They've adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us 
> all in the game.  
> They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business 
> going forward.

I completely agree, Jerry.

The iPhone family of products represent a very attractive consumer platform.
We cannot expect iPad users to understand the issues around Steve Jobs war
on cross platform tools - just talk with your non computer industry friends
who also happen to use an iPhone about it (guess what I did on Mother's
Day). The iPad today is still the product it was yesterday - except now we
know our Rev projects won't be on it.

Just as Steve Jobs has his business reasons for making his decisions, so do
you as software vendors.

I don't think you should go out and burn your iPhone and iPad.  But just
like Steve Jobs, you should also consider your business as well. Support
RevMobile on Android. Plan for it. Help make it happen. Make the words
"HyperCard" and "Runrev" and "Android" appear often in your blogs, twitter
posts and facebook updates. 

I don't suggest this for reasons other than business reasons. Supporting a
platform where you can deploy your applications, which makes it possible for
more copies of your applications to be sold.

Ive already made a blog update to this effect, it isnt much more than you
already know:
http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/05/10/no-hypercard-for-the-ipad-watch-for-
hypercard-on-android/



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Re: Check out Jerry's new videos -- REV to ObjC -> iPhone

[Bob Sneidar]

Oh I see. I think it was the word "outlaw" that tripped me up. I guess if you 
see the iPad as an asset belonging to all of us, you would get the feeling that 
Apple is "outlawing" cross platform development. But I don't think any iPad but 
the one I buy belongs to me or anyone else. 

I don't see what Apple is doing as being monopolistic or engaging in 
Anti-trust. What they are trying to discourage is using tools to develop apps 
that can dramatically change the look and feel of their device, or affect 
stability, or lend themselves to obsolescence, or worse yet, to hinder 
advancements in the iPhone OS. Anyone remember how many times Microsoft said 
they were done with DOS, or how long Windows had to deal with the restrictions 
of the old hardware PC spec? Ball and chain comes to my mind. 

Like I said in another post, what would have happened if many of the apps 
originally written for the iPhone were so buggy they were causing kernel 
crashes all the time? Who would get the blame? Apple of course. Any attempt to 
defend themselves would have been deemed finger pointing. I for one am happy 
that we have building codes requiring building contractors to comply with 
ordinances. It means that the 6 story I work in is not coming down to the 
ground with just any old earthquake. I think of Apple's control over the 
software that ends up running on the iPhone exactly like those building codes. 

Bob


On May 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Here's the guy Steve Jobs likes to point out is his mouthpiece, on the 
> subject.
> 
> http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/middleware_and_section_311
> 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
> 
> On May 10, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Really?? That is what Apple wants?
>> 
>> 
>> On May 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Josh,
>>> 
>>> The issue isn't whether Apple wants to outlaw reusing code libraries. They 
>>> don't. They want to outlaw cross platform development. 
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Re: [OT] Connect the dots...

[Bob Sneidar]

But Apple is not the one WRITING the games. That was my point. The games are 
written by other developers for the iPhone. You may as well call the US 
Government the enemy for creating the internet, or more accurately Intel the 
enemy for creating a processor that Nintendo cannot or does not use. Or better 
yet the US Highway department for creating a freeway that does not go to Podunk 
NC. 

I suppose you could say the same thing about Nintendo since they provide a 
gaming platform, not necessarily the game software, but it remains to be seen 
how much better, if at all, the games end up being on the iPad as opposed to 
the Wii. I just think Nintendo needs to be developing better platforms as 
things "evolve" (I hate that word there's nothing random about the process) 
rather than vilify their competition. It's the word "enemy" that got my goat. 

Bob


On May 10, 2010, at 10:25 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> On 10 May 2010 17:25, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> These journalists have to invent things to write about sometimes. What I
>> got from the article is that the journalist was saying Apple is not a threat
>> to Nintendo at all, because they are really producing two different
>> non-competing products. And my take is that Apple is not producing anything
>> in the way of end user software on the gaming front anyway. They are
>> providing a way to get software to the end user that small developers could
>> never have hoped for prior to the iPhone.
>> 
> 
> Have to disagree there Bob:
> 
>   1. Games are the number one "surprise" hit on the iPhone
>   2. The third most significant addition in iOS4 is the Game
> Centre-
>   
> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-apple-announces-game-center-a-social-gaming-netw/
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Re: News on revMobile

[Richmond Mathewson]

 While I don't like Microsoft, and they have tried to
force people to use their shabby browser, at least they
haven't got up to the same sort of restrictive practises
that Apple have; consider:

I can wander down the road into any tatty-old computer shop
and buy a tatty old PC and get some sort of Windows running
on it relatively easily (as I can, even more easily with Linux).

Apple have always tied their operating systems to their
machines.

The 'iPad thing' is really just an extension of the same sort of thing.

This may, after all, be one of the reasons why Apple have never commanded
more than about 10% of the market.

I know that Windows is a second-class product; but it works to
a certain extent in areas where Mac OS cannot even bootup the install
disk.

Unless Apple "democritise" they will probably go the way of all
aristocracies; and, just perhaps, it is Apple that should feel threatened
by Linux, not Windows.
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Re: That nice XML exporter for stacks...

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 10/05/2010 21:32, Andre Garzia wrote:

Hello Folks,

Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all
properties and scripts to an XML file?

I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it
is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls?
is something along the lines of

repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack
 ...
   end repeat
end repeat

ok?


Do you mean "xmltree-view.rev" ???

If so; look somewhere 'vaguely familiar':

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/STUFF/xmltree-view.rev.zip

If NOT; try and think of its name - I have buckets of stacks
backed up over here.
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Re: News on revMobile

[David C.]

> I won't buy anything from Apple ever
> again.

My entire catalog of products from Apple consists of a no longer owned
Mac-mini and the original iPhone. (which I believe to be the single
greatest tech product ever designed)

In general (not specific to this situation), Apple's restrictive
policy's (much worse than Microsoft, IMO) have been the reason for my
hesitancy to fork over the bucks for a new Mac of any type as well as
the iPad.

> As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a
> comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs
> in 2000.

As a "dye in the wool" Linux fan for many years previously, I'll have
to agree... I foresee Linux, Android and RunRev all playing a big part
in my development future. I'll continue to put up with and develop for
Windows because I have little choice, but it's now officially good-bye
to Macs for sure.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: News on revMobile

[Richmond Mathewson]

 RunRev, like so many others, have taken a socking great kick
in the pants from Apple.

Kevin's Article seems remarkably sober considering
the circumstances - perhaps it was preceded by a 'slightly'
more vulgar "internal memo" . . .  :)

I can only say that I hope it does not affect RunRev
unduly; and that is DOES affect iPad sales (mind you;
here in Bulgaria, the usual mindless morons are
queuing up to get one - the same ones who send their
expensively dressed children to my school with their
iPhones; never mind, they subsidise some of the kids who
either don't have any money or don't have fathers to
pay).
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Re: News on revMobile

[Neal Campbell]

How can you be so old when you are so young?


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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> Can they say yes to EA and no to us?
>
> And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL
> BETTER
>
> ARGH
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:
>
> >
> > On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> >
> > > Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they
> > prevent
> > > script interpretation?
> >
> >
> > The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe,
> > even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve
> himself
> > personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for
> them.
> > Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But
> I
> > wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to
> use
> > scripting, but the little companies can't.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: News on revMobile

[Scott Rossi]

Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection.  Not to
bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the
rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the
disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other
platforms.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: News on revMobile

[Richard Gaskin]

Well done, Kevin.

Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in 
good and strong company into this new mobile arena:



I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication.


70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob


Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools


Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US


Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use


Android Market app count surges 68% in March



Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice:
I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :)

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That nice XML exporter for stacks...

[Andre Garzia]

Hello Folks,

Anyone here remember a sample stack that would export a Rev stack with all
properties and scripts to an XML file?

I don't see it anymore in the bundled files. If you guys don't remember it
is ok, but can someone here think a clever way to iterate over all controls?
is something along the lines of

repeat with x = 1 to the number of cards in the cardnames of this stack
  repeat with y = 1 to the number of controls in card x of this stack
...
  end repeat
end repeat

ok?

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Re: News on revMobile

[Andre Garzia]

Can they say yes to EA and no to us?

And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL
BETTER

ARGH

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

>
> On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
> > Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they
> prevent
> > script interpretation?
>
>
> The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe,
> even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself
> personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them.
> Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I
> wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use
> scripting, but the little companies can't.
>
>
>
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Re: News on revMobile

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:

> Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this
> until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting
> some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the
> beginning.
>
> Nope, he changed things when it suited him best

...which just happened to be two business days before Adobe launched 
CS5, their expensive investment which was to provide Flash apps for iPhone.


That could be entirely coincidental, but either way I guess RunRev could 
consider themselves lucky that they weren't farther along before this 
unexpected and sweeping change.


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Re: News on revMobile

[Colin Holgate]

On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent
> script interpretation?


The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even 
though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself 
personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. 
Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I 
wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use 
scripting, but the little companies can't.



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Re: News on revMobile

[Chipp Walters]

> http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/


It's a sad day for RunRev, and all high level language (HLL) developers. In an 
unprecedented decree by the current King of the Hill, Steve Jobs has declared 
his tools, and only his tools, can be used to create compiled binary 
applications for his new favorite pet platform. The Hell with the rest of us. 
Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the 
fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from 
scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. 

Nope, he changed things when it suited him best. "Be damned with the rest of 
you- oh and thanks for your support, UP TO NOW," is the message he is sending. 
He couldn't care less. Screwing his partners, their customers and their 
customer's customers out of literally millions of dollars.

Honestly, will anyone really be surprised when he does this yet again to Mac OS 
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Re: News on revMobile

[Colin Holgate]

On May 10, 2010, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> 
> The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They 
> can't discontinue them or revoke them.


After every iTunes update the jailbreak people have to find another way to 
jailbreak the iPhone. It wouldn't be too hard for Apple to be equally awkward 
with end users who are just making apps for their own personal use.

I hope that the reply about how the terms only apply to Store Apps is true. 
That would at least leave open one area of potential development. But really, 
Apple should amend the agreement to make it clear that it's ok to use any tool 
for Enterprise work.



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Re: News on revMobile

[René Micout]

YES !

Le 10 mai 2010 à 20:08, J. Landman Gay a écrit :

> Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
>> If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to
>> affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because
>> whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an
>> iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users.
>> And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be
>> enough to upset Apple.
> 
> The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They 
> can't discontinue them or revoke them.
> 
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RE: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[Randall Lee Reetz]

I would have loved to have instead heard apple's reaction to the prospect that 
runrev would output clean well formed objective C source that would be compiled 
in apples blessed and native IDE. Of course apple would want to developed its 
own xtalk environment for the ipad.  They own the domain!  They invented it!  
What did you think they would say?  Nuts!

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Daniels 
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:46 AM
To: How to Use Revolution ; Improvements to 
Revolution 
Subject: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed  
radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming  
more personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated  
dramatically in the last month.

Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they  
do business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution.  
Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a  
license to Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect  
shareholders. We don't want to be left behind.

Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the  
transformation department with their announcement today. They've  
adjusted their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game.  
They have my thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going  
forward.

I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his  
contractor, vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him  
and Mark in Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry  
and haggis together. I known these guys. I like doing business with  
them and I like where they're going.

I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the  
DVDs, the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part  
it will not be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the  
last 30 days I would not want anything. I'm getting a good product and  
value for my money. I have no concerns. I know I'll get preferential  
treatment with any new mobility platforms Kevin an Mark do.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps:
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Re: News on revMobile

[Andre Garzia]

I have 5 macbooks, 1 iMac, 1 iPhone and 1 iPad (and 2 newtons)

Now... I am so pissed at Apple that I won't buy anything from Apple ever
again.

As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a
comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs
in 2000.

I am just thankful that I did not buy an iPhone 3GS to replace my iPhone 3G
like I was thinking about doing couple weeks ago.

Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent
script interpretation?

Silly company. Makes no sense.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Colin Holgate wrote:
>
> > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion,
> > is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version
> > for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed
> > to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But
> > the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions,
> > it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't
> > use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for
> > internal use would have still broken the agreement.
>
> It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing
> list:
>
>   I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some
>   delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear.
>
>   Paraphrasing his reply: "The new provision is ONLY intended
>   to apply to applications distributed through the app store.
>
> 
>
> But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal
> confirmation from Apple either way.
>
> And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who
> knows what the license will say by noon...
>
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Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[Matthias Rebbe]

I couldn´t have said it better.

Matthias

Am 10.05.2010 um 19:46 schrieb Jerry Daniels:

> As we all know, the very definition of a personal computer has changed 
> radically over the last year. Personal computing devices are becoming more 
> personal and more mobile. This transformation has accelerated dramatically in 
> the last month.
> 
> Every technology company on our little planet is changing the way they do 
> business to accommodate this transformation. And so is Revolution. 
> Shareholders chase growth, and everyone of us who have bought a license to 
> Revolution desktop, On-Rev, or revMobile are, in effect shareholders. We 
> don't want to be left behind.
> 
> Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the 
> transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted 
> their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my 
> thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward.
> 
> I have done business with Kevin over the last decade as his contractor, 
> vendor, customer and friend. I spent a few days with him and Mark in 
> Edinburgh working on a project. We've broken bread, curry and haggis 
> together. I known these guys. I like doing business with them and I like 
> where they're going.
> 
> I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, 
> the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not 
> be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would 
> not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have 
> no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility 
> platforms Kevin an Mark do.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> 
> Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps:
> http://rodeoapps.com
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Re: News on revMobile

[Neal Campbell]

For those deciding to not buy an iPad because of these mess, I completely
understand the decision, but you owe it to yourselves to borrow one for a
weekend. It is honestly a major breakthru which makes the whole situation
much sadder. As Jerry pointed out in one thread, its a breakthrough paradigm
and makes going back to a keyboard/mouse feel like stepping into the 20th
century.

When we get very accurate voice to text on it, I think we will see a lot of
used laptops go on ebay/craigslist. To check email, it takes approximately 3
seconds to power own and establish with my wifi network. I can power it up,
check my mail and power it down before my laptop has finished awakening from
its sleep.

Again, incredibly sad situation for everyone.


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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM, René Micout wrote:

> Colin,
> Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer
> baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it!
> René
>
> Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit :
>
> > The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that
> they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple
> Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their
> own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement
> doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to
> use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise
> user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement.
> >
> > If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect
> everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever
> calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device,
> would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is
> any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple.
>
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Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[Thomas McGrath III]

This is good for you Jerry. I hope you keep getting preferential treatment. I, 
however, do not. 

I do expect a rebate or discount for my loss.

Tom McGrath

On May 10, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> I bought the great revMobile pre-alpha along with the conference, the DVDs, 
> the works. I do not want or expect a refund just because a part it will not 
> be delivered as hoped. Even if I had bought within the last 30 days I would 
> not want anything. I'm getting a good product and value for my money. I have 
> no concerns. I know I'll get preferential treatment with any new mobility 
> platforms Kevin an Mark do.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> 
> Using Revolution technology to create iPad web apps:
> http://rodeoapps.com

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Re: How exactly does runrev for ipad/iphone work?

[stephen barncard]

Quicktime runs fine on an iPhone. That's the whole idea.
Anyone can make a platform-independent "player" for quicktime.  Using
the *export
to web* feature from QT Pro, one can see the array of files that allow
scaling to different formats:  iphone, other phones, desktop. and the html
to display it.
Works perfectly on the fone. Rotates, etc.



On 10 May 2010 09:03, Andre Garzia  wrote:

> if it is a youtube video, then it plays fine...
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
>
> > But when you click the link, it plays in a flash viewer instead of a
> > Quicktime viewer. That is what is going to happen on an iPhone, and
> because
> > of that, it won't play. I'm actually not even sure if the iPhone employs
> or
> > allows a quicktime movie to play in a browser.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On May 7, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Ian Wood wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 8 May 2010, at 00:12, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > >
> > >> The vast majority of ANY kind of video these days is flash or windows
> > media. quicktime is small potatoes.
> > >
> > > Please don't make the standard mistake of thinking in terms of Flash v.
> > h264. The vast majority of video is h264-encoded, whether that file is
> then
> > shown in a Flash viewer, QT, HTML5 etc.
> > >
> > > Ian
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Re: News on revMobile

[J. Landman Gay]

Colin Holgate wrote:


If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to
affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because
whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an
iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users.
And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be
enough to upset Apple.


The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. 
They can't discontinue them or revoke them.


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Re: News on revMobile

[Colin Holgate]

On May 10, 2010, at 2:05 PM, René Micout wrote:

> 
> Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer 
> baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it!

Let's not get into another long discussion about what is right and what Apple 
are saying. Clearly they can't stop you as an individual, but an Enterprise 
client who sends out an internal App to hundreds of their staff, could well 
lose their Enterprise status if any one of those iPhones or iPads is viewed by 
someone who reports to Steve Jobs.



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Re: News on revMobile

[Richard Gaskin]

Colin Holgate wrote:

> The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion,
> is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version
> for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed
> to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But
> the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions,
> it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't
> use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for
> internal use would have still broken the agreement.

It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch 
mailing list:


   I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some
   delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear.

   Paraphrasing his reply: "The new provision is ONLY intended
   to apply to applications distributed through the app store.



But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal 
confirmation from Apple either way.


And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. 
Who knows what the license will say by noon...


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Re: News on revMobile

[René Micout]

Colin,
Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer 
baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it!
René

Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit :

> The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that 
> they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple 
> Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own 
> apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't 
> say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use 
> certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user 
> making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement.
> 
> If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect 
> everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever 
> calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, 
> would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is 
> any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple.

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Re: Object is not an image when Crop command

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Devin Asay wrote:

> Crop only works with a rectangle. There may be others on the list who have
> figured out how to use an irregular shape as an image mask.

You can't.  You can only group the graphic and image and use combined ink
effects.  Very limiting.  You can see the Spotlight demo on this page as an
example:


Alternatively, you can set the backPattern of the graphic to the ID of the
image, but there's no control over how the image is positioned relative to
the graphic.  I imagine one could use the "hidden point" technique of a
polygon (adding a space before an after a point in the polygon's point list)
to establish left and top offsets for the backPattern, effectively
offsetting the image within the graphic.  But this will only work with
polygon graphics.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: News on revMobile

[Marian Petrides]

Geez, thanks Steve. Just what we Apple loyalists needed-NOT.

Do I sound just a wee bit annoyed. You bet I am.  But my annoyance is at Apple, 
not Run Rev.  RunRev did their level best, but what could we really expect when 
logic plays second fiddle to the whims of Sir Steve of Jobs? 

On May 10, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the
> iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we
> have been able to bring you this news.
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
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Re: Thoughts on Kevin's announcement

[David C.]

> Kevin and team have shown their resilience and brilliance in the
> transformation department with their announcement today. They've adjusted
> their roadmap and their offering to keep us all in the game. They have my
> thanks, trust, and admiration. And my business going forward.

Well said and I am in complete agreement.

iPhone & iPad's loss is just Androids gain.

...I now know what my next phone/mobile device will be powered by. ;-)

Best regards,
David C.
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