Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Peter Alcibiades]

It may be an excessively pessimistic point of view, but one doubts you'll get
away with it long term.  The problem Apple has is that applications and
content are merging.  Sooner or later, to continue its present policies, it
is going to have to move to censorship of what we now call content, but what
you guys have made into applications.  I don't know how they will do it, how
they will avoid all the technical obstacles, but its clear they will either
extend control from programming languages and applications to content, or
watch the whole policy go up in smoke.

They will give it their best shot, to control content.  It will be messy,
and it will get worse before it gets better.  

I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by
then it will be too late.
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MidiBuilder stack

[Richmond Mathewson]

 So, there I am sitting at the back of my classroom today
while some kids sweat over a practise PET test. Start
fiddling around with RunRev 2.2.1 on Linux and stumble
upon the MidiBuilder stack in the Samples folder.

I wonder why it isn't there with RunRev 4 ?

Lunchbreak: opened the MidiBuilder stack with RunRev 4.0
on the Mac; and . . . it works; it exports midi files; and, hey,
yeah; why has there been all the recent correspondence
about midi-sequencing when it is there for the taking
already 
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Dynamic screen during application execution ?

[Fabrice Muller]

Hello,

I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the execution 
of a program, depending
the device where the application is running. Just few explanations :

My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields and so 
with business code inside,
a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the execution 
with the right screen size
and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right 
placement on screen.

With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each kind of 
device like Iphone, android and
so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time it will 
be possible to have 1 application
for many different devices.

I hope I'm clear  My question !!! has someone already tried to implement 
this kind of solution ?
Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ?

Thanks very much for your feedback,
Cheers, Fabrice


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Re: revLet: fetching a url

[David Bovill]

Aha - it's a bug in dp3 (on OSX at least). Same stack works fine as a revLet
in dp2. Bug report here:

   - http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8778

If someone could test saving it on other platforms (you can download the
stack from the link below), and add to the bug report I'm sure it would help
the RunRev team fix things faster - for now I'll go back to dp2.


On 20 May 2010 22:22, David Bovill  wrote:

> Yes - network permissions are on, and the Internet Library selected OSX
> 10.6.3
>
>
> go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev";
>>
>
> and the revLet here:
>
> http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html
>>
>
>
> On 20 May 2010 22:14, Devin Asay  wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>>
>> > This really should work - what am I doing wrong?
>> >
>> > on mouseUp
>> >>   if the optionkey is "Down" then
>> >>  put "Hello World!" into fld 1
>> >>   else
>> >>  put url "http://www.google.com"; into fld 1
>> >>   end if
>> >> end mouseUp
>> >>
>> >
>> > I create a simple stack with one button and the above script and one
>> field.
>> > It works fine on the desktop. The application settings for the revLet
>> > include the internet library and the network access in security
>> settings.
>> > But no go???
>> >
>> > The stack can be found here:
>> >
>> > go to stack url "http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/Test.rev";
>> >
>> > and the revLet here:
>> >
>> > http://www.revtalk.org/tests/Test/test.html
>>
>> David,
>>
>> In the standalone settings Web tab, did you check the Network box? I
>> believe that in order to access urls outside of your own domain the user has
>> to grant permission.
>>
>> HTH
>> Devin
>>
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>>
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Re: Dynamic screen during application execution ?

[David Bovill]

Hi Fabrice, quick answer yes Revolution is plenty fast enough to do this
sort of dynamic screen resizing based on the device. Here are a few tips:

   - Dynamic scaling or toggle to different presets? With the latter you can
   write script to simply take snapshots of their geometry and save them as a
   custom prop
   - Is it really any faster than creating distinct static interfaces? How
   generic are the components?
   - You may find that it is better to organise the project as stacks with
   views that can be resized using behaviors attached to groups. The main
   project stack would have your screen and the components would then be
   sub-stacks. Rev is fast enough to copy the components from one stack to
   another and redraw them for development.
   - When finished you can if needed remove the templates in the library
   substacks and keep the behaviors.

Be happy to show you how it works with a screen cast, and interested to see
what components you want as I've a few in my library that might serve as a
starting point?

On 21 May 2010 10:48, Fabrice Muller  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm thinking about a possibility of generating the screen during the
> execution of a program, depending
> the device where the application is running. Just few explanations :
>
> My stack has a card01 which contain every objects like buttons, fields and
> so with business code inside,
> a second card which is free of objects will be customized during the
> execution with the right screen size
> and a copy of every objects from card01 is done in this card with right
> placement on screen.
>
> With this solution, no more need to prepare an output screen for each kind
> of device like Iphone, android and
> so, it will be just generated during the execution and in the same time it
> will be possible to have 1 application
> for many different devices.
>
> I hope I'm clear  My question !!! has someone already tried to
> implement this kind of solution ?
> Is it viable, is it quick enough and so ?
>
> Thanks very much for your feedback,
> Cheers, Fabriceo subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
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Windows 7 Question

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany

I develop my stacks on my Mac, but have a Splashstack.exe for running  
them on PC's.


In order to find the systems disk (so I can build complete paths to my  
external files), I use the command


  if the platform = "Win32" then  put line 1 of the volumes  
into field "PCDrive"


and build the paths starting with field "PCDrive".

Disk C (the usual systems disk) was always the first entry in the  
volumes list in Windows XP, etc..
In Windows 7, I now find "A" (the floppy diskette used if the user  
didn't want to boot from the hard drive).


In the comments section of the Volumes section of the Rev Dictionary,  
I find :


Disks which are physically installed or inserted into a disk drive,  
but are not currently mounted, do not appear in the list returned by  
the volumes function.


If this is so, why does floppy disk A (inexistant) appear at the head  
of the Volumes list ?


Second question - does the "platform" command return "Win32"  for  
Windows 7 systems ?

(I don't have a Windows 7 system available to test my stacks !)

In the face of this problem, how can I pick up the systems disk ID in  
a Windows 7 system ?


I am running Revolution 4.0.0 - Build 950 on an iMac OS 10.5.8

Many thanks for any pointers 

-Francis

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Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Steve King wrote


I know nothing at all of Macs


Steve, my heart bleeds for you - . and you are so, so many !

But you are in the right forum to ask questions, and to find
the true road to salvation .   :>)

-Francis




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Re: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev

[Kay C Lan]

Folks,

I apologise, I post then depart for a couple of days and am unable to reply.
I don't mean to be rude.

Andre,

Yes it's a plain tab delimited text file so I'll follow your link and give
it a go. Thanks.

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> On-Rev is paying the fees to mySQL as a commercial venture, so the
> licensing restrictions have been satisfied. You ARE paying for mySQL use
> because you pay for On-Rev.
>
>
Well this is interesting. As far as I can tell mySQL is just an option
On-Rev offers, you are not charged more for using it, so what you are
suggesting is that all the On-Rev users who don't use dbs, and those who use
postgreSQL rather than mySQL are all subsidising the mySQL users.

Seems to me then that the claims that non-profits can use these dbs for free
are false. In fact it's probably worse than that, non-profits who don't even
use dbs at all, like individuals/clubs who might have a simple web page, are
subsidising commercial ventures that use mySQL.
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Re: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)

[Robert Mann]

Thanks for sharing. Looks like important piece of news. Looks great!! Had a
look at the apps that use it, and at the forum. Next step is to download and
test. If that ever works fine on mac and windows, whouaou! That is indeed
what we need.

I'll look into it and dig the use of c libraries in runrev, which so far I
have nicely avoided. 

First one with feedback creates the "BASS audio lib"?

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Re: Cloud computing: scalable DB

[David C.]

> In particular I am looking at using Amazon - either their
> SimpleDB,
> or their Relational Database
> Service,
> but maybe also Google equivalent services? Anyone tried these - I've only
> used Amazon S3 for file storage to date?

Hello folks,
I just ran across this article this morning and thought it might be of
value to this discussion:
http://tiny.cc/53zzj

...and here is a link directly to the google resources:
http://code.google.com/apis/storage/

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Jerry Daniels]

Peter,

As regards your point of view, I agree. It may be an excessively pessimistic.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Create iPad web apps with Rodeo:
http://rodeoapps.com

On May 21, 2010, at 4:10 AM, Peter Alcibiades  
wrote:

> 
> It may be an excessively pessimistic point of view, but one doubts you'll get
> away with it long term.  The problem Apple has is that applications and
> content are merging.  Sooner or later, to continue its present policies, it
> is going to have to move to censorship of what we now call content, but what
> you guys have made into applications.  I don't know how they will do it, how
> they will avoid all the technical obstacles, but its clear they will either
> extend control from programming languages and applications to content, or
> watch the whole policy go up in smoke.
> 
> They will give it their best shot, to control content.  It will be messy,
> and it will get worse before it gets better.  
> 
> I also agree with Richard, they will change a few years from now, and by
> then it will be too late.
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Passwords

[Jim Bufalini]

Hi All,

I have quite a number of stacks whose password was set in probably Rev
version 2.9.0 (and earlier) and edited in later versions of Rev up to 4.0.0
using passkeys. If I go to the message box in Rev 4.0.0 and type:

set the password of stack "StackName" to empty

I get:

Message execution error:
Error description: Stack: stack is password protected

If I go back to Rev version 2.9.0 and do the same, it seems to go through,
but the password is not removed from the stack. What is the trick to
unsetting passwords and resetting them in Rev version 4.0.0?

Aloha from Hawaii,

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Re: Passwords

[Richard Gaskin]

Jim Bufalini wrote:


I have quite a number of stacks whose password was set in probably Rev
version 2.9.0 (and earlier) and edited in later versions of Rev up to 4.0.0
using passkeys. If I go to the message box in Rev 4.0.0 and type:

set the password of stack "StackName" to empty

I get:

Message execution error:
Error description: Stack: stack is password protected

If I go back to Rev version 2.9.0 and do the same, it seems to go through,
but the password is not removed from the stack. What is the trick to
unsetting passwords and resetting them in Rev version 4.0.0?


You've probably already done this, but to be safe may I ask if you first 
set the passkey of the stack to the current password before attempting 
to change the password itself?


I've encountered a few issues with the change to the more-secure method 
of password protection used in v4.0, but IIRC what you describe here 
should work as long as you have access to change the password, provided 
by first setting the passkey.


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Re: HyperCard for the iPad

[Jerry Daniels]

Been thinking about what inspired me more than anything to do the Rodeo project 
in the face of the Apple lock down and its psychological devastation.

Here it is in one picture:

http://jerrydaniels.com/brendans-action-formula

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Create iPad web apps with Rodeo:
http://rodeoapps.com

On May 21, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> As regards your point of view, I agree. It may be an excessively pessimistic.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels

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RE: Passwords

[Jim Bufalini]

Richard,

> You've probably already done this, but to be safe may I ask if you
> first
> set the passkey of the stack to the current password before attempting
> to change the password itself?
> 
> I've encountered a few issues with the change to the more-secure method
> of password protection used in v4.0, but IIRC what you describe here
> should work as long as you have access to change the password, provided
> by first setting the passkey.

No I didn't and of course that's the answer, otherwise you could just take a
password protected stack and set its password to empty without knowing the
password. ;-) 

What was throwing me off is the lock symbol still appeared in the
Application Browser. So you have to set the passkey. Set the password to
empty. Save the stack and then Refresh the Application Browser. Thanks
Richard!

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

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MidiBuilder stack

[Kurt Kaufman]

I think the point is that probably to be very useful, a MIDI-based program 
should have ready access to an external MIDI device (keyboard, sequencer, 
etc.).  It should be able to open up multiple channels so that one could record 
a new MIDI track whilst hearing previously-recorded MIDI tracks.  I don't know 
whether the above is possible, given the (limited?) range of QT functions 
available to the Rev-based player object.
Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible using Rev 4, but I haven't discovered 
how.

I think that as far as inter-application or inter-device MIDI communication is 
concerned, we are still where we were back in 2004:

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4978&start=0

and I believe we can access only a few of the settings of Core-MIDI through 
Applescript  (and that would be Mac-only, in any case).

So, have fun with MIDI-builder, and I'd be very interested in working with 
someone who might have ideas for extending the scope of the project as long as 
it's cross-platform based.

Kurt

PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a 
Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment.  
Perhaps someone else can remember?

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Re: MidiBuilder stack

[Judy Perry]

Kojima?

Judy

On Fri, 21 May 2010, Kurt Kaufman wrote:


PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a 
Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment.  
Perhaps someone else can remember?

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Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?

[Bob Sneidar]

I believe in Leopard or Snow Leopard they support ACL's as well. Now if we can 
only get Apple to make their ACL's implicitly inherited as in Windows for the 
clients as well as the server software, we will be saying something! But that's 
another thread. 

Bob


On May 20, 2010, at 11:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> The Finder can set user permissions for the user, group, and everyone. 

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RE: Windows 7 Question

[Paul D. DeRocco]

dero...@ix.netcom.com
> From: Francis Nugent Dixon
>
> I develop my stacks on my Mac, but have a Splashstack.exe for running
> them on PC's.
>
> In order to find the systems disk (so I can build complete paths to my
> external files), I use the command
>
>if the platform = "Win32" then  put line 1 of the volumes
> into field "PCDrive"
>
> and build the paths starting with field "PCDrive".
>
> Disk C (the usual systems disk) was always the first entry in the
> volumes list in Windows XP, etc..
> In Windows 7, I now find "A" (the floppy diskette used if the user
> didn't want to boot from the hard drive).
>
> In the comments section of the Volumes section of the Rev Dictionary,
> I find :
>
> Disks which are physically installed or inserted into a disk drive,
> but are not currently mounted, do not appear in the list returned by
> the volumes function.
>
> If this is so, why does floppy disk A (inexistant) appear at the head
> of the Volumes list ?
>
> Second question - does the "platform" command return "Win32"  for
> Windows 7 systems ?
> (I don't have a Windows 7 system available to test my stacks !)
>
> In the face of this problem, how can I pick up the systems disk ID in
> a Windows 7 system ?
>
> I am running Revolution 4.0.0 - Build 950 on an iMac OS 10.5.8
>
> Many thanks for any pointers 

There are various environment variables in Windows that you might use. Both
"windir" and "SystemRoot" point to the Windows OS's directory, typically
C:\WINDOWS. I don't recall if "SystemRoot" was there all along, but "windir"
was there since the early days of Windows; indeed, it was spelled with lower
case letters so that the DOS SET command couldn't manipulate it. There's
also "ProgramFiles", which typically refers to "C:\Program Files". Not sure
if it's possible to configure Windows to put this on a different drive from
the OS, but some Googling might come up with some more info on this.

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Re: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev

[Bob Sneidar]

I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at Disneyland. 
You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at all. You can't get 
a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the rides. It's kind of 
like that. 

I saw a great video of an English man trying to get the price down on a tooth 
extraction. He said that getting the cost down was of primary importance. After 
talking the dentist into not using an assistant, having no anesthetic, taking 
only 15 minutes as opposed to an hour, and making clear that the procedure 
would be excruciatingly painful this way, but after all low price was of 
paramount importance, he talked the dentist down from 1400 pounds to just 200! 

Once they had settled all that the man said, "Excellent! I will send my wife 
right over!" 

Bob


On May 21, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> Well this is interesting. As far as I can tell mySQL is just an option
> On-Rev offers, you are not charged more for using it, so what you are
> suggesting is that all the On-Rev users who don't use dbs, and those who use
> postgreSQL rather than mySQL are all subsidising the mySQL users.
> 
> Seems to me then that the claims that non-profits can use these dbs for free
> are false. In fact it's probably worse than that, non-profits who don't even
> use dbs at all, like individuals/clubs who might have a simple web page, are
> subsidising commercial ventures that use mySQL.
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Re: MidiBuilder stack

[René Micout]

Hello Kurt and Richmond,
It is "makeSMF 1.3.3 :
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html
Bons souvenirs de Paris
René

Le 21 mai 2010 à 17:12, Kurt Kaufman a écrit :

> I think the point is that probably to be very useful, a MIDI-based program 
> should have ready access to an external MIDI device (keyboard, sequencer, 
> etc.).  It should be able to open up multiple channels so that one could 
> record a new MIDI track whilst hearing previously-recorded MIDI tracks.  I 
> don't know whether the above is possible, given the (limited?) range of QT 
> functions available to the Rev-based player object.
> Again, I'm not saying it isn't possible using Rev 4, but I haven't discovered 
> how.
> 
> I think that as far as inter-application or inter-device MIDI communication 
> is concerned, we are still where we were back in 2004:
> 
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4978&start=0
> 
> and I believe we can access only a few of the settings of Core-MIDI through 
> Applescript  (and that would be Mac-only, in any case).
> 
> So, have fun with MIDI-builder, and I'd be very interested in working with 
> someone who might have ideas for extending the scope of the project as long 
> as it's cross-platform based.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> PS/You might also be interested in some MIDI Rev stacks written by a 
> Japanese(?) person, whose name I unfortunately cannot remember at the moment. 
>  Perhaps someone else can remember?
> 
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RE:Windows 7 question

[Steve King]

Hi Francis

I have just checked the platform command on Win 7 and it returns Win32 on my
machine (a 32 bit windows). There are of course many Win 64 machines around
these days so I tried with a 64 bit laptop. It also reports Win32

Cheers
Steve

PS - you are right, sometimes I do dream of a Mac

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Re: Creating Mac standalone on Windows Studio?

[Peter Alcibiades]

OK, then you have to write a shell script.

Get the root password by asking for it on installation..

Then go out to shell and call a script which will switch user to root, give
the password, then set the executable bit.  I don't know OSX, but this
should be pretty simple to do in any unix.
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Re: [SQL][On-Rev] Bulk import into PostgreSQL on On-Rev

[Richmond Mathewson]

 On 21/05/2010 19:54, Bob Sneidar wrote:

I wouldn't look at it that way. You can get an all day ticket at Disneyland. 
You can ride all the rides, or just some of them, or none at all. You can't get 
a cheaper ticket if you promise not to ride some of the rides. It's kind of 
like that.

I saw a great video of an English man trying to get the price down on a tooth 
extraction. He said that getting the cost down was of primary importance. After 
talking the dentist into not using an assistant, having no anesthetic, taking 
only 15 minutes as opposed to an hour, and making clear that the procedure 
would be excruciatingly painful this way, but after all low price was of 
paramount importance, he talked the dentist down from 1400 pounds to just 200!

Once they had settled all that the man said, "Excellent! I will send my wife right 
over!"

Bob


I did better than that in Carbondale, Illinois in 1995.

I was due to have a root canal and they were going to charge me $2000 ( 
a sum I didn't have) and
were unable to understand why I felt that was expensive ("it's cheap 
because the University dentistry
is subsidised"). I told them there was absolutely no way I could pay 
that for a root canal and a crown;
but if they could just kill the nerve and plug the hole my Father-in-law 
would do the rest in Bulgaria for

nothing.

Bless them; they killed the nerve and plugged the hole (and 2 weeks' 
later Tatko put in a post and a
gold crown which is with me still - although, sadly he is not) and 
charged me nothing.


I still don't have $2000; but I have bought a pair of pliers so my kids 
get the gold when I move on!


And the lesson is: always let a Scotsman in a kilt who has connections 
in Bulgaria off the hook . . .  :)

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Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)

[Malte Pfaff-Brill]

BASS has been around quite a while. Started as a mod playing library (the stuff 
you could hear on your amigas and ataris back in the day). It would be a very 
good candidate, however, their licensing model might be in the way:

[quote]
BASS is free for non-commercial use. If you are a non-commercial entity (eg. an 
individual) and you are not charging for your product, and the product has no 
other commercial purpose, then you can use BASS in it for free. Otherwise, you 
will require one of the following licences. 
Shareware licence: €100
The "shareware" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited number of your 
shareware products, which must sell for no more than 40 Euros each. If you're 
an individual (not a corporation) making and selling your own software (and its 
price is within the limit), this is the licence for you. 
Single Commercial licence: €950
The "single commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in a single commercial 
product. 

Unlimited Commercial licence: €2750
The "unlimited commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited 
number of your commercial products. This licence applies to a single 
site/location. note that all prices are quoted in Euros, but payment can also 
be made in several other currencies These licences are on a per-platform basis. 
There is a 40% reduction on each additional platform, eg. Win32 and OSX 
Shareware licences would cost €160 instead of €200. In all cases there are no 
royalties to pay and you can use future BASS updates without further cost. 
Reselling/sublicensing is not permitted. Your products must be end-user 
products, eg. not components used by other products. Please note that these 
licences only cover your own software, not the publishing of other's software. 
If you have got any questions, please get in touch.
[/quote]

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Export an ASCII midi file from Rev?

[Erik Hansen]

Export an ASCII MIDI file from Rev?

How about exporting an ASCII MIDI file that people can import with Band IN A 
Box or any other sequencer?

Erik

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Re: Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)

[stephen barncard]

I saw no wrong on the licensing. I like their attitude, their pricing model.
Pretty reasonable, even cheap, if one would ask me. Look, this stuff is used
for professional applications, is not easy to write, and the authors deserve
payment. And they are not charging royalties. How could one expect quality,
free, and supported to be in the same product?

Anybody we contract will want to be paid far more than this. The fee is
graduated for different groups,  hobbyist and demo, shareware author, pro.
This stuff is used for the core of applications.

We shouldn't assume that these guys won't make deals - they might be into
creating actual externals for Rev at a very reasonable price - who knows
until you try. Did anyone email these folks?


On 21 May 2010 12:49, Malte Pfaff-Brill  wrote:

> BASS has been around quite a while. Started as a mod playing library (the
> stuff you could hear on your amigas and ataris back in the day). It would be
> a very good candidate, however, their licensing model might be in the way:
>
> [quote]
> BASS is free for non-commercial use. If you are a non-commercial entity
> (eg. an individual) and you are not charging for your product, and the
> product has no other commercial purpose, then you can use BASS in it for
> free. Otherwise, you will require one of the following licences.
> Shareware licence: €100
> The "shareware" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited number of
> your shareware products, which must sell for no more than 40 Euros each. If
> you're an individual (not a corporation) making and selling your own
> software (and its price is within the limit), this is the licence for you.
> Single Commercial licence: €950
> The "single commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in a single
> commercial product.
>
> Unlimited Commercial licence: €2750
> The "unlimited commercial" licence allows the usage of BASS in an unlimited
> number of your commercial products. This licence applies to a single
> site/location. note that all prices are quoted in Euros, but payment can
> also be made in several other currencies These licences are on a
> per-platform basis. There is a 40% reduction on each additional platform,
> eg. Win32 and OSX Shareware licences would cost €160 instead of €200. In all
> cases there are no royalties to pay and you can use future BASS updates
> without further cost. Reselling/sublicensing is not permitted. Your products
> must be end-user products, eg. not components used by other products. Please
> note that these licences only cover your own software, not the publishing of
> other's software. If you have got any questions, please get in touch.
> [/quote]
>
> All the best,
>
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Setting file permissions on remote server

[Bob Earp]

I have an app that reads/writes from/to a data file on a remote server.  So far 
there's only been one user of the app, but I wish to allow a number of users to 
use the app in different locations, which means I have to consider the case 
where more than one user wants to write to the file at the same time.  
I was thinking that setting the data file's permissions "read only" with the 
first user to open the file would be the easiest way to solve this, but can't 
seem to get that going.  Maybe there is an easier way, or more probably I'm 
just being a dufus here ;-)
In any event, does anybody have some words of wisdom/guidance, or better still 
a sample ?
Many thanks, Bob...
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Who is the author of codes.widged?

[Alejandro Tejada]

Hi all,

Who is the author of the website:
http://codes.widged.com ???

Read this:
http://codes.widged.com/node?page=1
and this:
http://codes.widged.com/node/6

The following affirmation reads wrong,
at least in my personal experience:

codes.widged wrote:
"If you frequent their forums for a few months,
you will rapidly discover that their typical user
is a person who has come to use runrev as
exclusive development tool. As you try to get
recognized and accepted, you are invited to
give up everything else and count on runrev
alone to bring you happiness and success."

These are extraordinary claims,
to say the least...

When i started programming in this platform,
nobody promised me happiness and success
if "i give up everything else".

Did anybody receive similar promises from
Runrev as codes.widged???

Who is the author of the website:
http://codes.widged.com ?

Alejandro
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Re: Setting file permissions on remote server

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi Bob. Nice name. 

If you set the file to read only before you open it, no one will be able to 
write to it, even the first user. If one user opens it read/write then the 
second can only open it read only. The OS will prevent anything else from 
happening. 

One of the reasons for using something like an SQL database is they are (for 
the most part) multiuser. But then you have to learn SQL, and some don't want 
to bother. 

One strategy would be to have a try/catch statement inside a repeat loop. Be 
sure to put a timer on the next retry or risk having your processors go to 100% 
until the write occurs. It's also a good idea to have a try counter so that 
when it hits a maximum you can ask the user if they want to keep trying or 
cancel the file update. In the try/catch statement, try to open the file 
read/write. If you get an error, (or some other condition that indicated the 
command failed) you can simply delay then next repeat. And before anything 
else, make sure the file is available in the first place by using "there is a 
file" and the fully qualified path to the file. 

One downside of this approach is the risk of leaving the file open lock 
stranded if the user pulls the plug on his computer during a transaction. 
Obviously, don't open the file until the very last moment, then close it as 
soon as possible. Do not have any user interaction when the file is open. Not 
even an answer dialog reporting an error. 

I can't (read that won't) write the code for you but I'd be happy to critique 
it when you're done. 

Bob


On May 21, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bob Earp wrote:

> 
> I have an app that reads/writes from/to a data file on a remote server.  So 
> far there's only been one user of the app, but I wish to allow a number of 
> users to use the app in different locations, which means I have to consider 
> the case where more than one user wants to write to the file at the same 
> time.  
> I was thinking that setting the data file's permissions "read only" with the 
> first user to open the file would be the easiest way to solve this, but can't 
> seem to get that going.  Maybe there is an easier way, or more probably I'm 
> just being a dufus here ;-)
> In any event, does anybody have some words of wisdom/guidance, or better 
> still a sample ?
> Many thanks, Bob...
> Bob Earp - White Rock, British Columbia, Canada   
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Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?

[Bob Sneidar]

Any blog that has no feedback link I don't even bother with. People like this 
are cowards who blather on about their own point of view, thinking (wrongly) 
that people are actually interested in it. I wouldn't give it another moment's 
thought. 

Bob


On May 21, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Who is the author of the website:
> http://codes.widged.com ???
> 
> Read this:
> http://codes.widged.com/node?page=1
> and this:
> http://codes.widged.com/node/6
> 
> The following affirmation reads wrong,
> at least in my personal experience:
> 
> codes.widged wrote:
> "If you frequent their forums for a few months,
> you will rapidly discover that their typical user
> is a person who has come to use runrev as
> exclusive development tool. As you try to get
> recognized and accepted, you are invited to
> give up everything else and count on runrev
> alone to bring you happiness and success."
> 
> These are extraordinary claims,
> to say the least...
> 
> When i started programming in this platform,
> nobody promised me happiness and success
> if "i give up everything else".
> 
> Did anybody receive similar promises from
> Runrev as codes.widged???
> 
> Who is the author of the website:
> http://codes.widged.com ?
> 
> Alejandro
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Getting an Audio Plugin Created ( was RE: [audio] Call for anupdated enhanced quicktime audio library ora small audiocomplementary library!)

[Malte Pfaff-Brill]

>I saw no wrong on the licensing.

Me neither, Just that we can not take it and wrap an external around it (or get 
it done to be more precise) for general release to us revers. Each rever would 
have to have their own license / it must be licensed on a per project base, or 
for a site, so we can not just buy a license and make it publically available 
to everyone here. If they ere going to write a wrapper for rev though, I´d be 
more than happy to give it a shot.
> Did anyone email these folks?
Yes. :-) I asked them if they have any plans on releasing it as a rev external. 
Who knows, maybe they get back. 
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Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?

[J. Landman Gay]

Alejandro Tejada wrote:


Did anybody receive similar promises from
Runrev as codes.widged???


Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site.



Who is the author of the website:
http://codes.widged.com ?


Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly 
searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in 
her sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of 
imaginary things about you too. And then she will email all your friends 
with her stream-of-consciousness commentary as well.


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OT: article about a mobile app success story

[Ian Wood]

http://blog.iteleportmobile.com/quality-over-quantity-how-we-built-iteleport

Even though it's in iPhone/iPad-specific app, I thought this made  
interesting reading - they bucked the trend for really cheap mobile  
apps by charging $25 and it seems to be paying off for them.


Ian
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[ANN] Watch tRev's Conditional Breakpoints and Iteration Management

[Jerry Daniels]

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Learn all about making your tRev breakpoints super smart—and how to  
use our brand new breakpoint iteration navigator:


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Remote SQL databases

[Bob Sneidar]

Hi all. 

Anyone have any idea how fast the queries to the On-Rev SQL databases are on 
average? I was using a method where I was looking up a key from one query of 
100 records at a time and querying a mySql database at my On-Rev site ONE 
RECORD AT A TIME! I discovered that the queries were taking about a second, 
which now that I think about it, is about right, with internet lag and all. 

So now I have to think about using joins. My problem now becomes, I am looking 
up values from a table in one database, in a table  tables residing in another 
database. Can I even create a join like that? Don't the tables have to reside 
in the same database to do a join like that? 

Barring that, I suppose I can compile a list of key values, and do a single 
query for records with key values in that string, then loop through and add the 
records that don't exist, but how to do that with a single query! Sheesh! If I 
were using Foxpro this would be child's play. 

I'm wondering if the Relational aspect of Trevor's sqlYoga would be able to do 
this, but again, I think I have to be working with two tables in the same 
database for that to work. Trevor?

Bob


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Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev

[JosepM]

Hi,

Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript?
The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and
export into tabbed text.

>From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I
don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly
way to import the contacts into Rev.

The actions are:

Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action
I put thogther into a Automator flow... 

Any help? please... :)

Salut,
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Re: Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev

[zryip theSlug]

2010/5/22 JosepM :
>
> Hi,
>
> Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript?
> The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and
> export into tabbed text.
>
> >From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I
> don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly
> way to import the contacts into Rev.
>
> The actions are:
>
> Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action
> I put thogther into a Automator flow...
>
> Any help? please... :)
>
> Salut,
> Josep

Hi Josep,

In automator you can run an applescript script. In this script why not
let revolution accomplish some task?


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Re: Who is the author of codes.widged?

[zryip theSlug]

2010/5/21 J. Landman Gay :
> Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
>> Did anybody receive similar promises from
>> Runrev as codes.widged???
>
> Of course not. Nor any of the other things claimed on that site.
>
>>
>> Who is the author of the website:
>> http://codes.widged.com ?
>
> Someone who's name I won't say here, because this list is publicly
> searchable. Just don't make her aware of you in any way. Once you are in her
> sights it is difficult to escape, and she will invent all sorts of imaginary
> things about you too. And then she will email all your friends with her
> stream-of-consciousness commentary as well.

The only thing I could say that see her profile on the web, given to
me a bad feeling.
I'm sure she's not a slug's friend.


Regards,
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Remote SQL databases

[Mark Stuart]

Hi Bob,
on Fri May 21 17:31:53 CDT 2010, Bob Sneidar wrote: 
>>
So now I have to think about using joins.
<<
Just preface the table name that's in the other database with the
database_alias_name.table_name:

SELECT cus.Customer_Number, cus.Customer_Name, ctyp.Customer_Type_Name
FROM database1.customers AS cus LEFT OUTER JOIN
database2.customer_types as ctyp ON cus.Customer_Type =
ctyp.Customer_Type_ID

HTH,
Mark Stuart
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Re: Has anyone integrated PayPal's "website payments pro" into a Rev stack?

[Josh Mellicker]

Just in case anyone integrates PayPal, PayPal's Website Payments Pro API does 
not accept a libURL POST from Run Rev, but works great with cURL, hope this 
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Re: Import AddressBook using Automator action from Rev

[zryip theSlug]

2010/5/22 JosepM :
>
> Hi,
>
> Any know how to call a Automator action .flow from Rev using Applescript?
> The flow first select one, many or all the contacts from the AddressBook and
> export into tabbed text.
>
> >From the Automator the action run fine, but from the Applescript nop. I
> don't know how pass the selection of contacts. I see that this is a quickly
> way to import the contacts into Rev.
>
> The actions are:
>
> Get Specified Address Book Items.action and Get Contact Information.action
> I put thogther into a Automator flow...
>
> Any help? please... :)
>
> Salut,
> Josep
> --

Just found an old automator flow I made in 10.5 to accomplish this task:

- keep in a variable the selected files
- execute an applescript script to retrieve the current container of
the selected files
- create a new folder in the container
- put the selected files in the new folder

Not your needs of course, but the flow could give you a few clues how
to pass automator variables to an applescript script nested in the
flow.

In this nested script you could easily use Revolution with the do
script command.
You could as well prepare a button in Revolution to open a flow saved as an app.

Have also a look to this link:
http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/AppleApplications/Conceptual/AutomatorConcepts/Articles/HowAutomatorWorks.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40001509-97230-BAJHHDGF


Be free to contact me off-list if you want that I send you this flow.


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(no subject)

[Bob Sneidar]

UPDATE: 

Well I discovered what my problem was. I commented out the method I employed 
which used sqlYoga for all the queries, and wrote a new method using only RevDB 
API calls. The sqlYoga method took about 1 to 1.5 seconds per iteration, so for 
100 single record queries, let's say roughly 2 minutes. The RevDB method took 
less than 10 seconds for 100 queries. 

I guess what I am saying is that if you need to do lots of small queries like I 
am doing, and you don't mind learning a little SQL, the RevDB commands and 
functions are going to be a TON more efficient. But if you are doing a few 
queries here and there, the performance hit would be minimal, and sqlYoga can 
save you enormous amounts of trouble learning SQL and get you going much 
quicker. 

Bob


On May 21, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hi all. 
> 
> Anyone have any idea how fast the queries to the On-Rev SQL databases are on 
> average? I was using a method where I was looking up a key from one query of 
> 100 records at a time and querying a mySql database at my On-Rev site ONE 
> RECORD AT A TIME! I discovered that the queries were taking about a second, 
> which now that I think about it, is about right, with internet lag and all. 
> 
> So now I have to think about using joins. My problem now becomes, I am 
> looking up values from a table in one database, in a table  tables residing 
> in another database. Can I even create a join like that? Don't the tables 
> have to reside in the same database to do a join like that? 
> 
> Barring that, I suppose I can compile a list of key values, and do a single 
> query for records with key values in that string, then loop through and add 
> the records that don't exist, but how to do that with a single query! Sheesh! 
> If I were using Foxpro this would be child's play. 
> 
> I'm wondering if the Relational aspect of Trevor's sqlYoga would be able to 
> do this, but again, I think I have to be working with two tables in the same 
> database for that to work. Trevor?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 22/5/10 4:17 AM, "Bob Sneidar"  wrote:

Hi Bob,

> UPDATE: 
> 
> Well I discovered what my problem was. I commented out the method I employed
> which used sqlYoga for all the queries, and wrote a new method using only
> RevDB API calls. The sqlYoga method took about 1 to 1.5 seconds per iteration,
> so for 100 single record queries, let's say roughly 2 minutes. The RevDB
> method took less than 10 seconds for 100 queries.


Еexcuse me but this still sounds like a very bad result.
SQL dbs can make joins of thousands records in say .001 sec

What will happens if tomorrow you will need 500 queries?
Your Users will wait 50 seconds?

Even 10 sec of WAIT is terrible for today for user IMO

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Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]


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