DiagramCreator in beta.

[Chipp Walters]

Hey all.

Been busy creating a fun tool for creating diagrams using plain english
sentences. The free beta version is available for both Mac and PC.

http://blog.chipp.com
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

Sarah,

The question is how do you get the name of the file that is opened from a
script to save in a variable. This is what I been unable to do. 
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

Stephen,

I understand how to put the name in the variable and store it but I have not 
been able to get the name of the current file to put in a variable. But I will 
keep working on it. Thanks for all of your comments and suggestions!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




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> > after a change was made to the file. In my current script, I have a dialog 
> > appear that asks if the user wants to save the file with untitled.text. 
> > This 
> > would be okay if the file did not already have a name. So far I have been 
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

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so what we've all told you is all you need. Have you put it all together
yet?

On 12 June 2010 20:29, charles61  wrote:

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> Stephen,
>
> I am sorry for the confusion. All I want to do to provide a save dialog
> when
> the user makes a change to a saved file asking the user to save the file
> after a change was made to the file. In my current script, I have a dialog
> appear that asks if the user wants to save the file with untitled.text.
> This
> would be okay if the file did not already have a name. So far I have been
> unable to get the name of the file to appear in the dialog so the user can
> choose to save the file with its current name, a new name or disregard the
> changes.
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

Stephen,

I am sorry for the confusion. All I want to do to provide a save dialog when
the user makes a change to a saved file asking the user to save the file
after a change was made to the file. In my current script, I have a dialog
appear that asks if the user wants to save the file with untitled.text. This
would be okay if the file did not already have a name. So far I have been
unable to get the name of the file to appear in the dialog so the user can
choose to save the file with its current name, a new name or disregard the
changes. 
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

Well I guess I'll just wait to buy your next external which supports this... ;)


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Shao Sean  wrote:
>> If there is a way to have rounded corners on the bottom with only a single
>> pixel border then I'd like to know how.
>
> Custom window.. that is how iTunes does it.. If you look at Safari, it is
> square corners as well..
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

Yes.  I can be a beta tester!  ;)

Definitely will buy that from you when you are ready.


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Shao Sean  wrote:
> Sorry the external does not do it :-(
>
> but you are looking for this  http://shaosean.tk/images/ssToolbar.png
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Shao Sean]

> If there is a way to have rounded corners on the bottom with only a  
single pixel border then I'd like to know how.


Custom window.. that is how iTunes does it.. If you look at Safari, it  
is square corners as well..

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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Shao Sean]

Sorry the external does not do it :-(

but you are looking for this  http://shaosean.tk/images/ssToolbar.png
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

Ok, tried it and it definitely doesn't work—maybe we are not talking
about the same thing here.

If I run this:

ssSetWindowTexturedSquareCorners updateWindow, true

I get the metal skin without rounded corners.  This is good.  But the
rounded corners on the bottom are square.  The reason I cannot pass
false to ssSetWindowTexturedSquareCorners is because the 4px border
around the stack comes back.  So yes, the rounded corners appear on
the bottom but so does the 4px border which I don't want.

If there is a way to have rounded corners on the bottom with only a
single pixel border then I'd like to know how.

And the default decorations doesn't count because it places a 1px
black line under the titlebar which I also don't want.

I'm not asking for anything special, I just want my stack to look like
other OS X apps and so far this is not possible.  Only been at this a
week so maybe someone out there has the answer but so far I don't
think I'll get what I need.
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

I read that API several times—now that you point it out I see it
there.  Guess my brain just didn't want to believe it.  This is
fantastic!


>> There also doesn't appear to be any options for controlling the thickness
>> or styling of the title bar.
> What do you mean?

http://www.marelina.com/miscellaneous/fatbar.jpg

It would have been nice to be able to create a titlebar like most
iWork/iLife apps and place buttons on them etc.  Right now I'm
*faking* it.

If your external does this too then 'm getting drunk tonight.
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Schonewille wrote:


I just copied the standalone over the network. Zipped and unzipped,
both work. The hard drives of the PC I used are formatted as FAT32.


Interesting.  Since so many others, including Rev tech support, couldn't 
do this before, I wonder what accounts for the difference.


Interestingly, in the scenario of an installer the reason it won't work 
is that the Mac engine loses its executable bit when copied from a 
custom prop to a file, which isn't all that different from what Rev does 
with its own installer.


How does Rev do this, and why did Mark Waddingham once suggest to me 
that the only way to write out an executable from a custom prop on OS X 
was to set its executable bit.


How does that get set in the Win Rev installer?

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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

LOL.  Guess who feels like an ass now!

Thanks for clearing that up.  :)


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> OK.  FYI Shao = her.
>
>
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Lord 
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:19:11
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer
>
> Shao doesn't have a resize alternative in his external (btw, I really
> like his external.  It does a lot of things I need).  If there is an
> external out there I'd love to try it.
>
> I ended up using my own button as a resizer but the trick, as pointed
> out by Jacque, was to NOT continually poll for a mouseDown in
> mouseMove x,y
>
> Would love to see it run faster but for now it's better than was previously.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
>> What was the solution, a library object or the external?
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Simon Lord 
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:44
>> To: How to use Revolution
>> Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer
>>
>> Ok, huge difference.  Thanks Jacque, that's another problem solved. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay
>>  wrote:
>>> Simon Lord wrote:

 Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
 something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
 until a few weeks ago).

 It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
 (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.

 drag grc "drag-handle"
 set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
 stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
 bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
>>>
>>> Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in
>>> ". There is an explanation here:
>>> 
>>>
>>> Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for the
>>> resize button.
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Shao Sean]

> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to  
it. It doesn't match the background of my stack.
There is a system flag to have a transparent resizer but the redrawing  
of the window content seems to mess up a little.. Would be nice for  
Rev to handle this for us (just another window property ;)

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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Shao Sean]

> I was trying to get my stack to use the same resource as itunes.

If I am not mistaken, iTunes uses a custom window..



> - Metal decorations
> - *without* the thick border (Shao's external takes core of that)
> - *keep* the bottom rounded corners (which Metal has, but which  
Shao's external removes).


That is all there is in the system..


> There also doesn't appear to be any options for controlling the  
thickness or styling of the title bar.

What do you mean?
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Re: Error in date convert

[stephen barncard]

Hi Alex,

I got a crash with your script.

This shows the correct date from the system:



I think there is no 'system date' intentionally.

According to the docs:
*
*

* *
If the *useSystemDate* property is set to true or if you specify the system
date, the times returned by the *date* function are formatted according to
the user's system preferences.


There is no such object on a web server.
**

this is why  useSystemDate  property will crash as well.



On 12 June 2010 17:01, Alex Tweedly  wrote:

>
> The following script fragment works OK on Mac (and I believe on Win, but
> cannot verify that right now)
>
> put "2010,1,0,0,0,0,0" into t
> convert t to system date
> put t
>
> but if I put this into an On-Rev script (i.e. an .irev scrip) it fails
> (silently - even the on-rev client debugger doesn't see any error, it just
> stops silently).  (Works OK if I use "convert t to english date").
>
> I will, naturally, send an error report to on-rev, but I was curious
> whether this is an on-rev problem or a Linux problem (or limitation), so if
> any Linux users can try it out and let me know I'd be grateful.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Alex.
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Re: WWDC Keynote: HTML5 wide open for On-Rev & revServer

[Alex Tweedly]

I guess I'm missing something here .

It seems that if I write a Rodeo app and it uses HTML5 local storage, 
then there is a secuity issue because other Rodeo apps on the same 
server might be able to access the user's data when stored locally on 
his machine.


But today I generally write desktop apps. The user's data is stored on 
(usually) his local disk. And any other desktop app he chooses to 
install can access that data. What's so different ?


-- Alex.

On 08/06/2010 18:10, Mike Bonner wrote:

Actually, I believe the following (from the provided link) is what is
being referred to:

7.2 Cross-directory attacks

Different authors sharing one host name, for example users hosting
content on geocities.com, all share one local storage object. There is
no feature to restrict the access by pathname. Authors on shared hosts
are therefore recommended to avoid using these features, as it would
be trivial for other authors to read the data and overwrite it.

Even if a path-restriction feature was made available, the usual DOM
scripting security model would make it trivial to bypass this
protection and access the data from any path.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Jerry Daniels  wrote:
   

Not so. No.

Each developer has own space. If developer INVITES someone in...as a
teammate, then they share.

Vampire rules. Need an invite to join another developer.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Follow the Rodeo discussion:
http://rodeoapps.com/rodeo-discuss-among-yourselves



On Jun 8, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

 

For Rodéo apps, if each user shares a space on a common shared server,
than
all the local datas of user X are accessible to all different rodeo apps,
So
far I understood. Not reassuring!
   

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Error in date convert

[Alex Tweedly]

The following script fragment works OK on Mac (and I believe on Win, but 
cannot verify that right now)


put "2010,1,0,0,0,0,0" into t
convert t to system date
put t

but if I put this into an On-Rev script (i.e. an .irev scrip) it fails 
(silently - even the on-rev client debugger doesn't see any error, it 
just stops silently).  (Works OK if I use "convert t to english date").


I will, naturally, send an error report to on-rev, but I was curious 
whether this is an on-rev problem or a Linux problem (or limitation), so 
if any Linux users can try it out and let me know I'd be grateful.


Thanks,
-- Alex.
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[BNig]

Simon,
I did this on a stack where i had set the blending of the button to noop,
making it invisble. 
So I did not notice the lag when setting the button. That looks awful.
I did some fooling around with revChangeWindowSize, but not in a moving
button.

You might as well forget about the post.
Sorry, it just occured to me after I posted.
regards
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[Sarah Reichelt]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 5:16 AM, charles61  wrote:
>
> I have going through various scripts to get the name of a text file (not
> stack) that is open in my app using the message box. Does anyone know how to
> do this?

Charles, at some stage in your scripts, the file was opened. At that
point, your script had to know the file name.
You will have to store that file name in the custom property, hidden
field, script local or global variable at that time.
Then you can use that file name at any time to re-save to the original file.


Cheers,
Sarah

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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[BNig]

Simon,

you might want to try "revChangeWindowSize" instead of setting the rect. I
have the impression that it is a bit smoother and maybe a tad faster then
setting the rect.
I have put this into a button, could be a graphic or image also
--
local sResize, sXDiff, sYDiff

on mousedown
   put true into sResize
   put the clickloc into tClick
   put the width of this card - item 1 of tClick into sXDiff
   put the height of this card - item 2 of tClick into sYDiff
end mousedown

on mouseMove x,y
   if sResize then
  put x + sXDiff into tNewX
  put y + sYDiff into tNewY
  
  revChangeWindowSize tNewX, tNewY
  
  lock screen
  set the right of me to the width of this card
  set the bottom of me to the height of this card
  unlock screen
   end if
end mouseMove

on mouseUp
   put false into sResize
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
   put false into sResize
end mouseRelease
---
unfortunately still slow.

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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Scott Rossi]

OK.  FYI Shao = her.



Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-Original Message-
From: Simon Lord 
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:19:11 
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer

Shao doesn't have a resize alternative in his external (btw, I really
like his external.  It does a lot of things I need).  If there is an
external out there I'd love to try it.

I ended up using my own button as a resizer but the trick, as pointed
out by Jacque, was to NOT continually poll for a mouseDown in
mouseMove x,y

Would love to see it run faster but for now it's better than was previously.



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> What was the solution, a library object or the external?
>
>
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Lord 
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:44
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer
>
> Ok, huge difference.  Thanks Jacque, that's another problem solved. :)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay
>  wrote:
>> Simon Lord wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
>>> something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
>>> until a few weeks ago).
>>>
>>> It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
>>> (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.
>>>
>>> drag grc "drag-handle"
>>> set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
>>> stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
>>> bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
>>
>> Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in
>> ". There is an explanation here:
>> 
>>
>> Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for the
>> resize button.
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

Shao doesn't have a resize alternative in his external (btw, I really
like his external.  It does a lot of things I need).  If there is an
external out there I'd love to try it.

I ended up using my own button as a resizer but the trick, as pointed
out by Jacque, was to NOT continually poll for a mouseDown in
mouseMove x,y

Would love to see it run faster but for now it's better than was previously.



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> What was the solution, a library object or the external?
>
>
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon Lord 
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:44
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer
>
> Ok, huge difference.  Thanks Jacque, that's another problem solved. :)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay
>  wrote:
>> Simon Lord wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
>>> something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
>>> until a few weeks ago).
>>>
>>> It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
>>> (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.
>>>
>>> drag grc "drag-handle"
>>> set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
>>> stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
>>> bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
>>
>> Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in
>> ". There is an explanation here:
>> 
>>
>> Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for the
>> resize button.
>>
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Schonewille]

Richard,

I just copied the standalone over the network. Zipped and unzipped,  
both work. The hard drives of the PC I used are formatted as FAT32.


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Mark Wieder wrote:


Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:37:05 PM, you wrote:

Zipping does work from Windows, which is what I'm doing now (with  
a note
to the user that they have to unzip it; a drag, but I can't find a  
way

around that.


I tried it without zipping and it worked that way, too.

1. Build mac standalone on xp
2. copy folder to flash drive
3. copy from flash drive to mac
4. open folder and launch app


H...  doesn't work here, and others on this list have tried and  
failed as well.


What file system is on your USB?

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 3:22:27 PM, you wrote:

> H...  doesn't work here, and others on this list have tried and
> failed as well.

> What file system is on your USB?

...had to go check... I used the rev4.0 distibution drive I got at the
launch event... my Leopard machine says it's MSDOS FAT16.

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:


Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:37:05 PM, you wrote:


Zipping does work from Windows, which is what I'm doing now (with a note
to the user that they have to unzip it; a drag, but I can't find a way
around that.


I tried it without zipping and it worked that way, too.

1. Build mac standalone on xp
2. copy folder to flash drive
3. copy from flash drive to mac
4. open folder and launch app


H...  doesn't work here, and others on this list have tried and 
failed as well.


What file system is on your USB?

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:37:05 PM, you wrote:

> Zipping does work from Windows, which is what I'm doing now (with a note
> to the user that they have to unzip it; a drag, but I can't find a way
> around that.

I tried it without zipping and it worked that way, too.

1. Build mac standalone on xp
2. copy folder to flash drive
3. copy from flash drive to mac
4. open folder and launch app

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Re: [OT] Installing Linux fonts

[G. Wolfgang Gaich]

Hello Richmond,

I tested to use all installed fonts on Ubuntu 10.04 with rev. No problem.

With

set the textfont of fld "/field/" to "/fontname/"

I can use all available fonts.

Only the function fontnames() does not return all the fonts.

But you can get a list of fontnames with

put shell("fc-list") into tTempFontsList
set the itemdel to ":"
repeat for each line tL in tTempFontsList
   set the itemdel to ":"
   put item 1 of tL into tL2
   set the itemdel to ","
   put item 1 of tL2 & cr after tFontsList
end repeat
delete char -1 of tFontsList


If you want to install a user font then copy it into 
/home//.fonts/truetype/

and in console type:

>  sudo fc-cache

Now you can use that font with rev.

hth

Wolfgang




Am 17.05.2010 18:09, schrieb Richmond Mathewson:

 [I hope that the thread I am attempting to initiate will, eventually
lead to an understanding of why RunRev does not play 'nicely' with
Linux fonts]

[Ubuntu 10.04  -- Debian deriv.]

1.  open a .ttf font with FontViewer

2. click on 'Install Font' button ;  'Install Failed'

Q1. Is that because I am not root user?

3. attempt to open FontViewer as root:

got "distracted" by Font Manager  /usr/bin

click on 'Manage Fonts' blob at the bottom

navigate to where target font is installed

on selecting font Font Manager opens and "blow me down"
it seems the font has been installed as a system font:

4. Open RunRev: and the target font DOESN'T show up . . . um, mumble, 
mumble, excrement, and so on.


5.  AbiWord (what my sons call "Shabby Word" - never mind, it will 
suffice for now):


 font (Unicode TTF) shows up.

Q2. Could this be because my target font does not have an accompanying 
.conf file 

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Datagrid with option menu filled from database

[JosepM]

Hi List,

I have a question with the datagrid and the option menu.

How can I assign values to the option menu from a database when the stack is
open?
It's posible or affect the datagrid performance? where is the best place to
put the loading code?


Salut,
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Schonewille wrote:


I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never
thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win
XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a
Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which
circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly?


You're right; my recipe was incorrect in noting the Zip step.

The original problem I had to solve was for an installer that needs to 
be able to build standalones for all platform onto a USB drive.


Zipping does work from Windows, which is what I'm doing now (with a note 
to the user that they have to unzip it; a drag, but I can't find a way 
around that.


The cool thing I found last night was that I can build Mac standalones 
on Linux that can be copied directly without needing to be zipped. 
(That is, until Steve Jobs finds out and then adds something to the OS 
or its license agreement to prevent that.)


This opens up new options for me to consider a Linux laptop as my main 
portable, whereas before the anomalies of OS X had previously required 
me to stay locked in to Apple products.


I'd still keep a Mac along with my Windows machines for testing, but 
being able to consider this shift in my workflow feels quite liberating.



@Richmond:  looking over the variety of bug reports around the 'net 
related to fonts on Linux, I'm not certain the issue you're experiencing 
can be solved by Rev alone.  It may be, but it's worth noting that 
different apps show greatly differing sets of fonts on Linux, and I 
don't know of any IDE that also takes care of bundling fonts for you.


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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Scott Rossi]

What was the solution, a library object or the external?



Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-Original Message-
From: Simon Lord 
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:44 
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Opaque stack resizer

Ok, huge difference.  Thanks Jacque, that's another problem solved. :)



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> Simon Lord wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
>> something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
>> until a few weeks ago).
>>
>> It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
>> (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.
>>
>> drag grc "drag-handle"
>> set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
>> stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
>> bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
>
> Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in
> ". There is an explanation here:
> 
>
> Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for the
> resize button.
>
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Re: Force PNG gamma update

[Scott Rossi]

I'm not in front of a computer at the moment but I believe forcing the gamma to 
update requires refreshing the card.  I seem to recall the docs saying to lock 
the screen, navigate to another card, and go back to the source card, but I 
believe any action that causes the card to refresh will work.

 
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Subject: Force PNG gamma update
Sent: Jun 12, 2010 9:35 AM

So I found a post suggesting that after setting the screenGamma to
force the PNGs to update by performing the following:

set text of img 1 to the text of img 1

Well, to quote a famous actor—"The goggles do nothing!".

What's the best way to successfully force the PNGs to render properly
after a screenGamma setting?
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[stephen barncard]

You are not communicating very well. It is still not clear what you want.

Do you want to place a suggested file name in an ask dialog entry field
instead, or have a the filename show up instead of the prompt of the ask
dialog?

Again, how would the dialog 'know' what the last filename was unless you
save it yourself?

Or are you just having trouble getting the result of your choice in the
dialog?
Look at the  IT variable

Anyway again it is up to the programmer to know which files are open and
those that are not.  Usually 'OPEN' is just for microseconds, the data is
put in a variable, and work with it inside rev.  There is no open and close
needed for  'put URL()' and the file is closed after the call.  There really
is no need for multiple open and close statements unless one is processing
data from one file into another file by script. Most of the time that is
never needed.

On 12 June 2010 13:00, charles61  wrote:

>
> Stephen,
>
> I typed your suggestion in the message box and I only got the select file
> dialog box but not the name of the file that is already opened. Any other
> suggestions? I went through the RevList archives and could not find an
> example of getting the name of an open file!
>
> Charles Szasz
> csz...@mac.com
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:49 PM, Stephen Barncard-4 [via Runtime Revolution]
> wrote:
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> > answer file "select file:";put it into temp;get URL("file:" & temp);put
> temp
> > & return & return & it
> >
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> > >
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

Stephen,

I just saw your second e-mail reply. My plan is to put the name of the open
file in a variable but getting the name of the open file has been difficult.
How do you get the name of the open file?
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

Stephen,

I typed your suggestion in the message box and I only got the select file 
dialog box but not the name of the file that is already opened. Any other 
suggestions? I went through the RevList archives and could not find an example 
of getting the name of an open file!

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




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> & return & return & it 
> 
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> 
> > 
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> > stack) that is open in my app using the message box. Does anyone know how 
> > to 
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[stephen barncard]

Otherwise I misread what you were asking. If you have an app and you load a
file, it's up to the programmer (you) to keep track of it in a variable or a
custom property. There is no "last file loaded" property.

On 12 June 2010 12:48, stephen barncard wrote:

> answer file "select file:";put it into temp;get URL("file:" & temp);put
> temp & return & return & it
>
> On 12 June 2010 12:16, charles61  wrote:
>
>>
>> I have going through various scripts to get the name of a text file (not
>> stack) that is open in my app using the message box. Does anyone know how
>> to
>> do this?
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Re: How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[stephen barncard]

answer file "select file:";put it into temp;get URL("file:" & temp);put temp
& return & return & it

On 12 June 2010 12:16, charles61  wrote:

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How do you get the name of an open saved file in memory using message box?

[charles61]

I have going through various scripts to get the name of a text file (not
stack) that is open in my app using the message box. Does anyone know how to
do this?
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Wieder]

Richmond-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 11:24:31 AM, you wrote:

> Outwith the font issue I have merrily made standalones for Windows
> from Mac for about 9 years.

The problem Richard was (is?) having is with the other direction:
creating an OSX standalone from a Windows machine. In particular, the
executable bit wasn't getting set.

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

...and I just did the same without zipping and it still runs.
Maybe Richard's having problems with a virtual Windows image?

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Richmond]

On 06/12/2010 09:21 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Mark-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:28:35 AM, you wrote:

   

Richard,
 
   

I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never
thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win
XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a
Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which
circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly?
 

I've gotten so used to taking Richard's word here as authoritative
that I didn't bother to test it. I just followed up and did the same
as you: works fine over here. Unzip it on the mac, double-click, and
there it goes.

   


Try it with a stack using non-English fonts; say, Bulgarian, or
Sanskrit for instance; then everything goes squiffy.

Outwith the font issue I have merrily made standalones for Windows
from Mac for about 9 years.
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

[Richmond]

On 06/12/2010 08:07 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

Richmond -  you might consider copying your old ZIP disks to someplace safer
  as soon as possible - they seem to have some kind of 'disk rot' and can die
quickly in a few years.
   


Sounds like my brain . . .   :)

I have a Performa 5xxx with a SCSI port and a LAN one; so can export all the
ancient, past it, probably reduplicated gubbins any time I want: 
probably put the content of

20 Zips on a DVD or a spare Hard drive.

I copied ALL of the Zip disk stuff, cleverly, onto a hard disk in an old 
Grey-&-white
ex-G3 (popped a G4 processor into it about 9 years ago); the only snag 
being that that
machine is now in the attic of my house in Scotland, and I won't be 
there until at

least July-August 2011.
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 2:28:35 AM, you wrote:

> Richard,

> I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never  
> thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win
> XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a
> Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which  
> circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly?

I've gotten so used to taking Richard's word here as authoritative
that I didn't bother to test it. I just followed up and did the same
as you: works fine over here. Unzip it on the mac, double-click, and
there it goes.

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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

[stephen barncard]

Richmond -  you might consider copying your old ZIP disks to someplace safer
 as soon as possible - they seem to have some kind of 'disk rot' and can die
quickly in a few years. Remember zips are still 'floppy disks' with higher
density and the failed 'Bernoulli' technology. All of your old zips will fit
in a tiny corner of your current hard drive. There's not much between your
archive and the 'ping of death' (zip drive users know what I mean).

iOmega has made a lot of junk using this bernoulli technology and it was so
unreliable across their product line over that I refuse to buy anything with
iOmega in the name, even today. I bought into the format big time, so
desperate I was for storage. Fortunately for me it all went to Hard Drive in
1999 and I haven't looked at it since!

I remember when Solid State Logic (maker of over-rated professional audio
consoles) finally offered a  'hard drive' for their console series in 1994.

SSL for years had relied on a very ancient mini computer (PDP-8 type) with
some questionable hacks ( the graphics card was a BBC hobby computer grafted
onto a blank card ) and legacy hardware, including the disc interface called
SASI ( the predecessor to SCSI) which are / were pretty much unobtainable.
These interfaces were hooked up to 8" SASI floppy drives.

So what was the new 'hard drive' ?? A SASI 8" Bernoulli in a huge plastic
case. They also offered a pair of SASI 400k plastic-type 'floppy' drives in
 a rack mounted chassic for only $2700.

[more OT rambling below]

It was so ironic that non-technical people were so enamored with the SSL,
not knowing how really ancient the control systems was.  We techs were
constantly putting it down for its design shortcuts and mistakes, but we had
to work on it because it was responsible for more 'hits' than any other
single console and the brand brought in the business. The engineers just
learned the string of keystrokes and the ones that could figure it out
became stars ( read: Bob Clearmountain ) and the others had assistants run
it.

The biggest irony was that as I brought modern computers into the studio
(ok, Macs) in the late 80s and the audio engineers started using them for
email and amusement, the semi-command line interface of the SSL really
showed how far we'd come. We spent hours trying to figure a way to simplify
the interface using our new macs, but the SSL just had no hooks for outside
control and the core code itself was a labyrinthine noodleworks of
'spagetti' code with no source - it was in some guy's head - and he had left
the company.  There are still hundreds of these things out there today.



On 12 June 2010 06:22, Richmond  wrote:

> Back from the dead (or very nearly):
>
> Well:
>
> I removed one of the hard disks in the G4 MDD from the cage that sits
> over the heat sink; allowing me space to install an 80 mm 12 v fan
>
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

I was trying to get my stack to use the same resource as itunes.  When
I tried doing this in the past my stack would just disappear.

It's not critical, but I'm a little bummed about how few options there
are for stack decorations.

Ideally I want:

- Metal decorations
- *without* the thick border (Shao's external takes core of that)
- *keep* the bottom rounded corners (which Metal has, but which Shao's
external removes).

There also doesn't appear to be any options for controlling the
thickness or styling of the title bar.

Setting the decorations to none makes all the corners square and
resizing extremely choppy (even with the tips from J).  Also, from
what I've read, with decorations set to none it also removes the
ability to slide a stack from under the main stack.

I just thought there'd be more support for basic windowing, so I'm
looking at everything. Judging from the replies to this post I gather
WDEF is not an option.

Sigh.



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Mark Wieder  wrote:
> Simon-
>
> Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:42:31 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever successfully used a WDEF identifier?  Is there a list
>> of available identifiers somewhere or do we still have to manually
>> look at the app resource and then set it in RunRev?
>
> Boy, that takes me back a ways... what are you trying to do?
>
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Force PNG gamma update

[Simon Lord]

So I found a post suggesting that after setting the screenGamma to
force the PNGs to update by performing the following:

set text of img 1 to the text of img 1

Well, to quote a famous actor—"The goggles do nothing!".

What's the best way to successfully force the PNGs to render properly
after a screenGamma setting?
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[stephen barncard]

I haven't heard the term WDEF in a while...I don't think runrev windows are
based on that.

MacOS X  doesn't use Resource Forks anymore...

Runrev can read and write resources though, as long as Apple doesn't
disallow them entirely in the file system - it's a legacy thing.

As long as the forked files stays in the Mac world, resources might be
useful, like adding extra data to a JPG or sound file. But I would question
if Apple will support it in the future, and the modified files might not be
happy on other systems.

Personally, I loved the resource concept - like custom properties, images
and sounds we imbed today in Rev - but it made a mess of incompatibility
which impression lingers today:  "aww it's a mac file, no wonder it's messed
up".

Search a well-used PC drive for ".DS_store" files, which always showed up in
a directory of mac files on a PC. There must be billions of files today with
that name. File conversion systems, not knowing what else to do with the
resource forks would split them with the data forks, leaving the data in the
file and moving whatever data was in the resource forks of all the files
into the single ".DS_store" garbage heap. I don't know if any of the data in
there is recoverable.

I just had to shut down spotlight. I did a search for ".DS_Store" and
stopped it because there were so many on my machine and adding them to the
list so quickly that I was worried it might actually top it out.

If you search for them, use "File Visibility" as a criteria (which will have
to be added by using "other" from the "kind" popup.

I'm guessing that MacOS is tolerating the 'dual system' approach but that
resource fork laden files might appear to have the resources exist in the
file but also 'virtualized' to appear in the MacOSX system properly.

Here's the best poop on .DS_Store

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.DS_Store



On 12 June 2010 06:42, Simon Lord  wrote:

> Has anyone ever successfully used a WDEF identifier?  Is there a list
> of available identifiers somewhere or do we still have to manually
> look at the app resource and then set it in RunRev?
>
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Re: WDEF identifiers

[Mark Wieder]

Simon-

Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:42:31 AM, you wrote:

> Has anyone ever successfully used a WDEF identifier?  Is there a list
> of available identifiers somewhere or do we still have to manually
> look at the app resource and then set it in RunRev?

Boy, that takes me back a ways... what are you trying to do?

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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

Ok, huge difference.  Thanks Jacque, that's another problem solved. :)



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, J. Landman Gay
 wrote:
> Simon Lord wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
>> something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
>> until a few weeks ago).
>>
>> It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
>> (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.
>>
>> drag grc "drag-handle"
>> set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
>> stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
>> bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
>
> Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in
> ". There is an explanation here:
> 
>
> Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for the
> resize button.
>
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[J. Landman Gay]

Simon Lord wrote:

Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
until a few weeks ago).

It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
(even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.

drag grc "drag-handle"
set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack


Try a more efficient and responsive technique, using "send  in 
". There is an explanation here:



Look at the final script on that page for an example you can adapt for 
the resize button.


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Re: Secure file delete

[Jim Sims]

On Jun 12, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I remember reading a suggestion on the list about creating a file with dummy 
> information to overwrite an existing file. This way the original file will be 
> zeroed out so there is nothing to undelete.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't find the email and was hoping that someone could 
> clarify how to do this.
> 
> The reason for this is the next version of InfoWallet will support encrypted 
> and password protected attachments but for someone to view an attachment it 
> will have to be saved to disk unprotected and then launched. I want to 
> securely delete the temporarily saved unprotected file.


Might have been me.

My client wanted me to take steps to keep people from saving small video files 
that were used by the app, make it very difficult for users to play them 
outside the app.

I placed all the videos into user properties - then to view the video, a temp 
file was made and that file used the data from the user property to make the 
video - after playing the video I would delete the file. 

I noticed that on rare occasions the file would appear in the trash on a 
reboot, inside a folder (perhaps the folder was named "saved" or "rescued" 
items?).

So, I changed my script so that before I deleted the file I would write over 
the file with a simple single phrase, thus destroying the video and changing it 
to a simple text file. 


sims





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Secure file delete

[Bill Vlahos]

I remember reading a suggestion on the list about creating a file with dummy 
information to overwrite an existing file. This way the original file will be 
zeroed out so there is nothing to undelete.

Unfortunately I can't find the email and was hoping that someone could clarify 
how to do this.

The reason for this is the next version of InfoWallet will support encrypted 
and password protected attachments but for someone to view an attachment it 
will have to be saved to disk unprotected and then launched. I want to securely 
delete the temporarily saved unprotected file.

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos
_
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life 
information with you, accessible, and secure.

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WDEF identifiers

[Simon Lord]

Has anyone ever successfully used a WDEF identifier?  Is there a list
of available identifiers somewhere or do we still have to manually
look at the app resource and then set it in RunRev?
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Simon,

> Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
> something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
> until a few weeks ago).
> 
> It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
> (even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.
> 
> drag grc "drag-handle"
> set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
> stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
> bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack
> 
> Thanks Klaus, at least I learned something.  :)

at least something... :-D


Best from rainy germany

Klaus
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Re: [OT] G4 goes West

[Richmond]

Back from the dead (or very nearly):

Well:

I removed one of the hard disks in the G4 MDD from the cage that sits
over the heat sink; allowing me space to install an 80 mm 12 v fan
directly on top of the heat sink with those funny rubber doodahs to
keep it in place: power drawn from the HD cage supply.

Took out my antiquated SCSI PCI card (saved it for the day when I need
what is saved on my ZIP disks) and inserted a USB2 card.

Put 2 PCI slot cooler fans back to back in 2 of the 3 PCI slots between
the Video card and the USB2 card; jacked them into the power supply
for the other 2 hard disks.

Unscrewed the internal speaker from the 'hole' at the top front of the MDD
and taped it with electrical tape to the top of the DVD drive housing; 
left the

plastic grid on the hole: now acts as an air intake.



However; spent yesterday trawling round all the computer shops in Plovdiv,
Bulgaria in search of PCI slot fans: in 8 shops I was told:

1. They don't exist (one chap actually told me I was fantasizing).

2. Why would you need them anyway.

I then printed out a picture of a PCI slot fan and went round all the 
shops again;

the 'fantasy' man told me I was mad and had faked up the picture !

Eventually saw a "hole in the wall" repair shop; went in and the chap 
there was on
the phone to a warehouse in Sofia lickety-split; and I collected the 2 
fans this morning.


Went round to see the 'fantasy' man and waved the PCI slot cards under 
his nose . . . :)




And the moral of my story is: don't try to be clever with computers in 
Plovdiv, Bulgaria.




I took a few photos and will post them on my website in the next few days.

AFTER I have restored all my software . . . :(

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Average temperature from the sensors is now 20 degs Centigrade 
lower


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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

Ok, I figured out what you're talking about.  The Object Library is
something new to me since I last used MetaCard (never used RunRev
until a few weeks ago).

It works, but it's as sluggish as my two-liner code...the refresh rate
(even with lockscreen) is very noticeable.

drag grc "drag-handle"
set the rect of this stack to the left of this stack, the top of this
stack, the right of img "drag-handle" + the left of this stack, the
bottom of img "drag-handle" + the top of this stack

Thanks Klaus, at least I learned something.  :)

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Klaus on-rev  wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
>> Klaus, how would I target this resize widget?  The closest thing I can
>> find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be
>> what I thought it was.
>
> ??? Sorry, don't know what you mean?
>
> I "placed" that fully functional(!) widget from the "Object library" in my 
> stack
> removed its icon and set the "ink" of that namely button to "noop" in the
> "Inspector".
>
> After that the (now invisible) button still worked. What am I missing?
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

No it does, but I have to say that Shao's external is one of the most
useful I've found so far.  I wish there were more I could look at but
I'm having a hard time finding them all.

For instance, I'm DYING to have rounded corners on the bottom of my
stack but the only way to do this is with the "Metal" texture which
adds fat borders.  Shao's external removes the borders but also the
rounded corners.

There's always *something* missing.  :P

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> Hi Simon:
>
> I'm not sure if Shao Sean's Mac external offers something here, but there is
> no built-in property you can change.  Your scripted solution will likely
> never be as snappy as the built-in behavior, but one thing you might try is
> enabling liveResizing on the stack.  I've found this usually makes for
> faster updating when stack is resized.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
>
> On Jun 11, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Simon Lord  wrote:
>
>> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it.
>> It doesn't match the background of my stack.  Is there any way to
>> change this value?  I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack
>> by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy—it's
>> downright sluggish.
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Simon,

> Klaus, how would I target this resize widget?  The closest thing I can
> find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be
> what I thought it was.

??? Sorry, don't know what you mean?

I "placed" that fully functional(!) widget from the "Object library" in my stack
removed its icon and set the "ink" of that namely button to "noop" in the
"Inspector".

After that the (now invisible) button still worked. What am I missing?


Best

Klaus

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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mike Bonner]

On the subject of creating *nix builds from windows I had a thought.

How difficult would it be to setup a virtualbox linux setup with a
simple script.. or even a rev app, that you feed a folder to, it will
copy it in to the linux virtual, set the execution bit zip it up, and
copy it back out into the windows file system?

Or if one prefers, if hfsplus is installed, a script like the one
here. 
http://confluence.concord.org/display/CCTR/Creating+MacOS+dmg+files+in+Linux
could be used to create dmg files. If nothing else, its easy enough to
set the execution bit by hand as well as zip everything up, so the
only real requirement is to setup the linux virtualbox. DSL is tiny,
resource efficient, and runs great.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Richmond  wrote:
> On 06/12/2010 12:28 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never thought
>> it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win XP, building a
>> standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a Mac OS X Leopard
>> machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which circumstances doesn't the
>> standalone run exactly?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a quote
>> http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
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>> the clipboard of your computer over the local network.
>>
>> On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>> ...if that system is Linux.
>>>
>>> Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from other
>>> OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows.
>>>
>>> I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04:
>>>
>>> 1. Make a Mac standalone
>>> 2. Zipped it
>>> 3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac
>>> 4. Unzipped it
>>> 5. Double-clicked it
>>>
>>> RESULT: Ran just fine.
>>>
>>> Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable bit,
>>> it carries over across platforms.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76:
>>> 
>
> I'm not surprised: it looks fantastic.
>
> My only worry would be if something went wrong and I had to open the case.
>
>>>
>>> Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system pushes
>>> a bit closer to getting one
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Media Corporation
>>
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Simon Lord]

Klaus, how would I target this resize widget?  The closest thing I can
find in the dictionary is resizeControl which doesn't appear to be
what I thought it was.



On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Klaus on-rev  wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
>> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it.
>> It doesn't match the background of my stack.  Is there any way to
>> change this value?  I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack
>> by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy—it's
>> downright sluggish.
>
> the resize widget is a button (if we mean the same thingie)!
> So you can just set its "icon" to empty and its "ink" to "noop" and that's it 
> :-)
>
> If you want its icon to have the right color, then you will have to edit the 
> image
> shown in the button or use your own image for this resizer.
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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Re: Opaque stack resizer

[Klaus on-rev]

Hi Simon,

> The resize widget on the bottom right of my stack has a colour to it.
> It doesn't match the background of my stack.  Is there any way to
> change this value?  I've cobbled together a script to resize the stack
> by dragging an icon around but the result is less then snappy—it's
> downright sluggish.

the resize widget is a button (if we mean the same thingie)!
So you can just set its "icon" to empty and its "ink" to "noop" and that's it 
:-)

If you want its icon to have the right color, then you will have to edit the 
image 
shown in the button or use your own image for this resizer.


Best

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Re: Shell Command with Sudo

[Justin Sloan]

Peter,

That is a good suggestion if the application was not meant for mass
deployment. Otherwise each machine's sudoers file would have to be
edited accordingly, which would be a bummer for users that do not know
how to do so. And that is likely the majority of Mac users. I would
venture to say that the majority of Mac users never even opened the
Terminal.

The solution is elegant, I believe, in that it will work on any Mac OS
X machine and takes advantage of Bash' s flexibility with Rev's shell
structure.

Happy coding!
 - Justin


On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Richmond  wrote:
> On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>>
>> Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo?  Maybe this
>> is
>> not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit
>> /etc/sudoers
>> to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the
>> no
>> password option, and its done.  If you do this, the command can be limited
>> to one with specific options.  For instance, you can allow shutdown with
>> the
>> -h option, but not the -r option.  No-one has to know the root password
>> then
>> and it is not written anyplace.  Yes, you do have to know it to edit
>> /etc/sudoers.
>>
>
> This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would
> effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . .  :)
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Re: OT: Periodic Table of Typefaces

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

It's on my wall - love it !

I'm sure even Mendeleev would have loved it too !

But according to the rules, this means we can define
certain characteristics of character fonts that have
not yet been discovered .

:>)

-Francis


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Re: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers?

[Richmond]

On 06/12/2010 12:30 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I must have been lucky. If I zoom in a max,
my flag puts me just in front of my computer,
in the living room !

However, the flag doesn't tell me which way
I am facing .  :>)



Considering Google seem to have been tapping into
people's wireless internet, if you know where to look
you will probably find a description of the type of
toilet paper you prefer . . .  :)
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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Richmond]

On 06/12/2010 12:28 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Richard,

I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never 
thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win 
XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a 
Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which 
circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly?


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a 
quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and 
share the clipboard of your computer over the local network.


On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote:


...if that system is Linux.

Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from 
other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows.


I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04:

1. Make a Mac standalone
2. Zipped it
3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac
4. Unzipped it
5. Double-clicked it

RESULT: Ran just fine.

Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable 
bit, it carries over across platforms.



I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76:



I'm not surprised: it looks fantastic.

My only worry would be if something went wrong and I had to open the case.



Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system 
pushes a bit closer to getting one


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Fourth World Media Corporation



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Re: runrev community : how many licenses? How many users? How many developpers?

[Francis Nugent Dixon]

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I must have been lucky. If I zoom in a max,
my flag puts me just in front of my computer,
in the living room !

However, the flag doesn't tell me which way
I am facing .  :>)

-Francis


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Re: So you CAN build an OS X app from another system...

[Mark Schonewille]

Richard,

I've seen your posts on this subject several times now and I never  
thought it was a real problem. I have now actually done a test on Win  
XP, building a standalone on a PC, zipping it and copying it over to a  
Mac OS X Leopard machine. The standalone runs fine. Under which  
circumstances doesn't the standalone run exactly?


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

Economy-x-Talk is always looking for new projects. Contact me for a  
quote http://economy-x-talk.com/contact.html
Download Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com and  
share the clipboard of your computer over the local network.


On 12 jun 2010, at 04:32, Richard Gaskin wrote:


...if that system is Linux.

Earlier here we discussed the difficulty of making Mac builds from  
other OSes, and at the time we were focused on Windows.


I just ran this simple test on Ubuntu 10.04:

1. Make a Mac standalone
2. Zipped it
3. Copied the Zip file via USB drive (FAT16, FWIW) to my Mac
4. Unzipped it
5. Double-clicked it

RESULT: Ran just fine.

Apparently since both OS X and Linux have the same Unix executable  
bit, it carries over across platforms.



I've been lusting after the Lemur UltraThin from System76:


Knowing that I can build for all three platforms from that system  
pushes a bit closer to getting one


--
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Fourth World Media Corporation



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Re: Shell Command with Sudo

[Richmond]

On 06/12/2010 12:08 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo?  Maybe this is
not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers
to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no
password option, and its done.  If you do this, the command can be limited
to one with specific options.  For instance, you can allow shutdown with the
-h option, but not the -r option.  No-one has to know the root password then
and it is not written anyplace.  Yes, you do have to know it to edit
/etc/sudoers.
   


This is all very charming, but I wonder how one would
effect this from a standalone on an end-user's machine . . .  :)
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Re: Shell Command with Sudo

[Peter Alcibiades]

Is there a reason you cannot use the NOPASSWD option in sudo?  Maybe this is
not how it works in OSX, but what you'd normally do is to edit /etc/sudoers
to allow this particular user to perform this particular command with the no
password option, and its done.  If you do this, the command can be limited
to one with specific options.  For instance, you can allow shutdown with the
-h option, but not the -r option.  No-one has to know the root password then
and it is not written anyplace.  Yes, you do have to know it to edit
/etc/sudoers.
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Re: Shell Command with Sudo

[Justin Sloan]

Thanks to all who replied. With you help and some additional research
I came up with a solution.

Mac OS X bash shell only allows results from commands to be piped in
to another command, including sudo, not plain text. The solution is to
set a bash variable (pw=password) and echo the variable to pipe it
into sudo (echo $pw | sudo -S command). In Rev you must set the
variable and pipe it in on the same shell() call. Like this:

shell("pw=" & tPassword & "; echo $pw | sudo -S command")

Works like a charm, and it's an elegant solution without a lot of
hashed code. I have not tested this on other Unix based systems but
the command should work on any system with bash as the default shell.


Happy coding!
 - Justin


On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM, David Bovill  wrote:
> Don't think expect is the right way to do this - best would be to use an ssh
> key (seem to remember that is how I used to do this back when i was on Linux
> with Metacard), or else to write a bash script as a text file and then get
> rev to execute that.
>
> On 11 June 2010 16:33, Andre Garzia  wrote:
>
>> Justin,
>>
>> I always though you could not pipe passwords into sudo. One way to do this
>> kind of stuff is to use the "expect" tool.
>>
>> http://expect.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> With expect you can automate many command line things.
>>
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