Re: Stress-testing SQLite -- what means theoretical limits from C++ point of view
On 10/31/10 12:10 AM, Monte Goulding mo...@sweattechnologies.com wrote: Charts like this, especially on Wikipedia should be taken with a grain of salt. Feature comparisions (yes/no) I can appreciate, but when it comes to capacity and performance, that's a bit different. Indeed. With LiveCode, for example, fields can *theoretically* hold up to 4GB, but I pity the person who tries it. My point was that given your expected max db size of 5kB * 500 is 23GB this is only a very small fraction of the stated theoretical limits of SQLite. Hi Guys, Just in case I want explain here what means these limits. Image that some C/C++ library has class File_16, which has ulong mLength; Ulong is 4 bytes (32 bits) and can keep max 2^32-1 value. this is near to 4GB. In 80-90ths this was normal for most software. Later have come to gave 64 bit API of OS for file systems. And we have change ullong mLength // 2^64 a lots of Terrabytes This was first 64-bit revolution. Another example. Table and Field Count in the table. We have seat and think, how much can be fields, What type to choose. USHORT 64K fields max ULONG 4 billions ? ULLONG like stars in Universe ... :) It looks reasonable to choose USHORT. I have hear about Table with 1024 fields from one user ... And I was sure that was bad lazy design. So theoretical limit, comes first of all from this choice of C/C++ library developer, when he write such lime of code. This not means that in reality somebody have test db up to million of Terrabytes. Or up to 50,000 fields in Table. - Another example and hot stream last years -- 64 bit compatibility. As you know most software was 32 bit, and now step by step C/C++ developers improve things to be able use any memory pointer as 64-bit value. Main bonus that then software can use RAM installed on computer 2-4GB. This is second 64-bit revolution. We have port Valentina engine and Valentina Server and Valentina ADKs to 64 bit year ago. * Surprisingly, many people have jump to use 64 bit versions. * Surprisingly, we have to see real dbs of real users, when 64-bit server works better ... -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite -- millions records? Use Valentina DB
On 10/30/10 10:14 PM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: Yes, I've been waiting for Ruslan to chime in here. Valentina has been the *elephant in the room* in this discussion and I find it slightly odd that Richard (no newbie in the Rev world) hadn't considered this product for his project. Elephant is postgre logo :-) -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite -- testimonials
On 10/31/10 12:14 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: However, the TPC doesn't have the power to run benchmark tests on a database platform without the approval of the database vendor. In fact, with the exception of IBM, most major database vendors include in their license agreements a clause that forbids the publication of benchmark information without explicit permission. Here's the clause from the SQL Server End User License Agreement (EULA): One of reasons why last years we show mainly reaction of some Valentina users on testimonials page http://www.valentina-db.com/en/company/testimonials Here can be found comparisons of users after SqlLite, and other dbs also. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
I don't know if its safer than current versions of Windows 7 intelligently used. It certainly is a lot safer than earlier versions of XP, used as they came out of the box. One reason is that desktop linux is a small population and so not being targeted. A second is when you do an install, it will obliged you to set up a root account and a lmited user account, and your limited user account will not be able to get at the system files. A typical example of this is with Rev sorry LiveCode - download the new version, try to install it, cannot. Its not executable, and then, it tries to install itself in /opt and you have to be root to do that. A third is that all payload will arrive as being unexecutable, and most of the time marked read-only. One of the things you always have to explain to people when putting in Linux for them is how to change permissions, because if not, one of the standard questions you'll get sooner or later is that someone sent me a word processing file and I cannot edit it. Right, its marked read only. So you contrast that with a situation in which for decades everyone used the internet with administrative prilvileges, all downloaded files arrived market executable. Then we had the saga of Explorer and all its holes, all the Office macros But the real question might be this: if you were to set up your windows install to always work as limited user, and if you enable privacy between user accounts, and finally if you use a dedicated account for all financial transactions and only use that account to go to a very small number of known financial sites, and if you have up to date anti virus, are you any more at risk than on Linux? I don't know. I hear of compromised windows installations all the time. Admittedly they are not Windows 7 mostly, though I heard of one of these the other day. They are not set up like that either, they are the standard default set-up. My feeling is that you probably can keep a windows installation safe, if you work at it, and really keep your protection software up to date. Its just a question of what you want to spend your time doing. For what its worth, my own decision years ago was to do what you are suggesting. I do run XP in a VM for the rare occasions when its necessary, but almost never connect to the net with it. I decided that I could probably keep Windows secure if I worked at it, but that life is too short, and I the big difficulty was how I would know I had succeeded. As to one of those risks on one of your links, guest users, well, of course you set up a guest account on any Linux install, and if people want to use your machine you sign them on as guest. You don't allow the guest group to read any of the other user files, even. You can wipe and recreate the guest account as often as you feel the need. You could do this on windows too, but no-one does. Slax is a good live CD distribution. It might also be worth looking at Vector live and Zenwalk live - they will be faster than most live distributions. I would install Debian Stable if doing a proper desktop installation. Once you start using Linux routinely, you will be surprised how little you need Windows. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Browsing-the-internet-It-is-safer-from-Linux-tp3020657p3020879.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite
Le 30 oct. 2010 à 23:41, Lynn Fredricks a écrit : http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle .jhtml?articleID=201001901 If a test could be setup in benchmarking the same test database set to run as : - PHP+ Oracle 11g - PHP+PostgreSQL 8.2 - PHP+ Valentina - LiveCode server+Oracle 11g - LiveCode server+PostgreSQL 8.2 - LiveCode server+Valentina in using less expensive comparable hardware configs alike : iMac 27 I7 quad core 2.8 Ghz and an equivalent Desktop PC to test the respective performances of the app's servers+databases against Linux, OSX SL and Solaris 10, I'm not sure at all that PostgreSQL would be slower than Oracle 11g, on both the OpenSuse 11 and OSX SL platforms and it would be interesting to know how Valentina performs for its own against both PostgreSQL and Oracle (would it be faster, as it's presented to to be on the http://www.valentina-db.com/ site ?). Just a tough, Best, Pierre That's an interesting benchmark, I wish I had a couple of $60K to $75K server boxes handy so we could see how Valentina would do. We've always emphasized what can be done with modest hardware specs. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Peter Alcibiades wrote: I don't know if its safer than current versions of Windows 7 intelligently used. It certainly is a lot safer than earlier versions of XP, used as they came out of the box. Even as Dell gets bribed by MS to put those silly We recommend Windows 7 graphics on their site, they couldn't stop themselves from mentioning that they feel Ubuntu is actually safer: Memo From Dell: Ubuntu Linux Is Safer Than Windows http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/06/10/memo-from-dell-ubuntu-linux-is-safer-than-windows/ ;) One reason is that desktop linux is a small population and so not being targeted. Maybe, but maybe not: Windows v Linux security: the real facts http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/22/linux_v_windows_security/ A second is when you do an install, it will obliged you to set up a root account and a lmited user account, and your limited user account will not be able to get at the system files. That can be done on Mac and Win, but few users bother and neither OS vendor does very much to educate their customers about why it's valuable. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Every time I have installed a variant of Windows on a machine that is connected to the Internet, sooner rather than later, things have gone 'queer'. Therefore, as I have to have a Windows box for software testing, I have a machine that is NEVER connected to the internet, and the ONLY files I transfer to it are my own for testing. First off: 1. I have never liked the idea of having to buy a product that is 'dicky' as soon as it is unwrapped, and even mentions the fact in its documentation. Second point: I use a variety of Linux boxes and Macs around my home and my business and have never had any problems that could be ascribed to internet browsing, ftp-ing, or otherwise [ normally problems can simply be ascribed to my having been too clever for my own good, mucking around with operating system underpinnings ]. On the very, very few occasions I have had to connect to the internet with the dreaded Internet Explorer [ i.e. to see how my website looks ] I have used IE with WINE [ a sort of Windowsy thing that lets you run most Windows programs on Linux ]. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Coo! Memo From Dell: Ubuntu Linux Is Safer Than Windows http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/06/10/memo-from-dell-ubuntu-linux-is-safer-than-windows/ I wonder how long that will be there before the chaps in dark glasses pop round to DELL for a friendly chat? It really never ceases to amaze me that Microsoft have built an empire on the fact that donkeys years ago the choice was between expensive Macs and cheap PCs that really only worked with Windows; Linux with a window-manager such as GNOME or KDE really does make one wonder why folks who wouldn't hesitate give the choice between a donkey cart and a Toyota Corolla, still go for the (admittedly souped-up) donkey cart when it comes to an operating system. I will always go for a FREE Toyota Corolla rather than a PAID souped-up donkey cart. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Escape key doesn't work with fullScreen?
On 10/31/2010 12:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: While testing a presentation stack I noticed that the escapeKey message doesn't seem to be sent while the stack is in fullscreen mode, though it works as expected otherwise. Is this a known feature/issue? Or am I doing something wrong? Which OS was that? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite
On 10/31/10 12:41 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle .jhtml?articleID=201001901 That's an interesting benchmark, I wish I had a couple of $60K to $75K server boxes handy so we could see how Valentina would do. We've always emphasized what can be done with modest hardware specs. :-) as I like say You want to get MAC or PC 100 times faster today, but not 10 years later? Use Valentina DB today. :-) Btw, THIRD revolution (or evolution :) which goes last times - is using of multi-core. We also have start do steps in this directions. For example, in the next 4.8 version of Valentina, sorting will be able to use N cores of your computers. Of course it is used for big selections 4K items. This gives x2-x6 speed up for sorting on regular desktops comparing to Valentina 4.7 -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to reorder lines in a list field
Thanks you much Wilhelm for your reply. I had got your very useful (and nice) stack, thanks to the tutorial from Éric Chatonet who pointed your stack out. I am studying your solutions and those of Scott Rossi too Very happy with all this material Best regards André Le 30 oct. 10 à 23:13, Wilhelm Sanke a écrit : Check out http://www.sanke.org/Software/DragWithListFields.zip ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to reorder lines in a list field
Le 30 oct. 10 à 15:39, Jacques Hausser a écrit : Bonjour, Eric Chatonet also published a how to that does exactly what you want: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=telechargerl=enarch=tutorials//List%20reorganizing.rev.zip Good luck Jacques En effet ! exactement ce que je cherchais ;-)) I had not find this one! I had written a similar solution which works on a test stack, but does not work on the stack of my app. I got the same problem with the script of Éric (works well on a stack without any other script, does not work in my app.) So, now I am sure I have handlers in the app. which interfere with this kind of solution. I am looking for (and will find) them. Merci beaucoup Jacques André Le 30 oct. 2010 à 15:18, André Bisseret a écrit : Bonjour, I am trying to get a list field where it would be possible to reorder the lines. (is there somewhere any tutorial or any solution on this?) I started from a script from Éric Chatonet that allow moving lines from field1 to field2, modifying it to drag lines in one field only. I succeeded in a test stack: in a list field, all works as expected with a dragImage). My problem is that when I put exactly the same script in a field of an app. I am developing, it does not works any more: The dragged line is deleted when releasing the mouse (except if I drag outside the field and then back in it: then that works I am fighting with that for hours now, and can't find what is wrong. My last surprise is that if I don't create (set) any dragImage, then all works as expected. I am getting crazy The worst thing is that the same script works well in a field on my test stack and not on the field on my other stack (the two fields have exactly the same properties). Any idea on what could be wrong? Thanks a lot in advance Best regards from Grenoble André ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ** Prof. Jacques Hausser Department of Ecology and Evolution Biophore / Sorge University of Lausanne CH 1015 Lausanne please use my private address: 6 route de Burtigny CH-1269 Bassins tel/fax:++ 41 22 366 19 40 mobile: ++ 41 79 757 05 24 E-Mail: jacques.haus...@unil.ch *** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Yes, the interesting question, don't know the answer, is if you set up windows in the same way Linux is normally set up, limited user accounts and so on, how much more vulnerable would it be? Those hack fests they have every so often suggest that OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. But I don't know what the starting setup is on the windows installation. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Browsing-the-internet-It-is-safer-from-Linux-tp3020657p3020955.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: benches // Stress-testing SQLite
On 10/31/10 9:55 AM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: Hi Pierre, If a test could be setup in benchmarking the same test database set to run as : - PHP+ Oracle 11g - PHP+PostgreSQL 8.2 - PHP+ Valentina - LiveCode server+Oracle 11g - LiveCode server+PostgreSQL 8.2 - LiveCode server+Valentina Oracle and Postgre are servers. in using less expensive comparable hardware configs alike : iMac 27 I7 quad core 2.8 Ghz and an equivalent Desktop PC to test the respective performances of the app's servers+databases against Linux, OSX SL and Solaris 10, I'm not sure at all that PostgreSQL would be slower than Oracle 11g, on both the OpenSuse 11 and OSX SL platforms and it would be interesting to know how Valentina performs for its own against both PostgreSQL and Oracle (would it be faster, as it's presented to to be on the http://www.valentina-db.com/ site ?). Personally me never did benches against Oracle or Postgre. We have info from our users for last, let's say 4-5 years. This info allow us do indirect comparison. 1) Valentina was FASTER of mySQL in many times, like of any other row based DB. Hmm, I do not want repeat info which can be found easy public, e.g. why columnar db can be faster. Easy example is: Richard want to have 23GB table with 5 million recs and 20 fields. If to have this Table in ROW based db as Oracle, Postgre, MS SQL, mySQL, SqlLite, then this table need 23GB at least, or most probably x1.5 times, because page-storage is used. So on disk it will use most probably 30-35GB. Only table without indexes. If row based DB needs to scan column F1 of Table, then it needs to load from disk that 30GB. Columnar DB needs to read only this field itself. So if f1 is ULONG (4 bytes) we have to read only 5M recs * 4 bytes = 20Mb from disk. You see? 30GB / 20Mb = x1500 times win. Not bad? If normal HDD give you 30Mb/sec to read, 20MB to read from disk is1 sec 30GB to read from disk is 1000 sec - 15 min ** OR For a Boolean field, Valentina need to read only 625Kb against And you can get (wow!) x48,000 times speedup on this field. Of course this is extreme values. But they can be valid in some cases. ** And again, this is only ONE OF many factors why you get speed ups in Valentina. Another can be found from DataModel and unique tools as ObjectPtr and BinaryLinks. They give easy additional x4-x8 speed up on joins. And so on. - 2) Postgre always was pointed as tortilla comparing to mySQL. A lots of developers have told this public... Last year more people go to Postgre mainly because of mySQL license and Oracle ownership. - 3) Oracle vs Valentina Oracle is famous in its scalability. We not going win here so far :) But speed ... One Korea team have told us they do next: * EXPORT from Oracle data * IMPORT them to Valentina DB using Vstudio * Do different searches using Valentina And together this was faster than do that searches in Oracle. Oracle is not stupid. It is one of the most cool things. But it have to solve other tasks... They fight for support of thousands users around server. As result they have overhead in disk files which we do not have. Btw, about 2-3 years ago some Oracle developers have go away and make new company with new columnar DB - Vertica. I can assume some things in Vertica beat Valentina DB. For example, we have no yet compression of indexes. But Vertica costs so much more of Valentina that we play in very different segments of market. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: benches // Stress-testing SQLite
Thanks for this interesting post, Ruslan. It point me on the need to learn more about Valentina, as soon as i will get enough time for this. Best Regards, Pierre Le 31 oct. 2010 à 09:42, Ruslan Zasukhin a écrit : On 10/31/10 9:55 AM, Pierre Sahores psaho...@free.fr wrote: Hi Pierre, If a test could be setup in benchmarking the same test database set to run as : - PHP+ Oracle 11g - PHP+PostgreSQL 8.2 - PHP+ Valentina - LiveCode server+Oracle 11g - LiveCode server+PostgreSQL 8.2 - LiveCode server+Valentina Oracle and Postgre are servers. in using less expensive comparable hardware configs alike : iMac 27 I7 quad core 2.8 Ghz and an equivalent Desktop PC to test the respective performances of the app's servers+databases against Linux, OSX SL and Solaris 10, I'm not sure at all that PostgreSQL would be slower than Oracle 11g, on both the OpenSuse 11 and OSX SL platforms and it would be interesting to know how Valentina performs for its own against both PostgreSQL and Oracle (would it be faster, as it's presented to to be on the http://www.valentina-db.com/ site ?). Personally me never did benches against Oracle or Postgre. We have info from our users for last, let's say 4-5 years. This info allow us do indirect comparison. 1) Valentina was FASTER of mySQL in many times, like of any other row based DB. Hmm, I do not want repeat info which can be found easy public, e.g. why columnar db can be faster. Easy example is: Richard want to have 23GB table with 5 million recs and 20 fields. If to have this Table in ROW based db as Oracle, Postgre, MS SQL, mySQL, SqlLite, then this table need 23GB at least, or most probably x1.5 times, because page-storage is used. So on disk it will use most probably 30-35GB. Only table without indexes. If row based DB needs to scan column F1 of Table, then it needs to load from disk that 30GB. Columnar DB needs to read only this field itself. So if f1 is ULONG (4 bytes) we have to read only 5M recs * 4 bytes = 20Mb from disk. You see? 30GB / 20Mb = x1500 times win. Not bad? If normal HDD give you 30Mb/sec to read, 20MB to read from disk is1 sec 30GB to read from disk is 1000 sec - 15 min ** OR For a Boolean field, Valentina need to read only 625Kb against And you can get (wow!) x48,000 times speedup on this field. Of course this is extreme values. But they can be valid in some cases. ** And again, this is only ONE OF many factors why you get speed ups in Valentina. Another can be found from DataModel and unique tools as ObjectPtr and BinaryLinks. They give easy additional x4-x8 speed up on joins. And so on. - 2) Postgre always was pointed as tortilla comparing to mySQL. A lots of developers have told this public... Last year more people go to Postgre mainly because of mySQL license and Oracle ownership. - 3) Oracle vs Valentina Oracle is famous in its scalability. We not going win here so far :) But speed ... One Korea team have told us they do next: * EXPORT from Oracle data * IMPORT them to Valentina DB using Vstudio * Do different searches using Valentina And together this was faster than do that searches in Oracle. Oracle is not stupid. It is one of the most cool things. But it have to solve other tasks... They fight for support of thousands users around server. As result they have overhead in disk files which we do not have. Btw, about 2-3 years ago some Oracle developers have go away and make new company with new columnar DB - Vertica. I can assume some things in Vertica beat Valentina DB. For example, we have no yet compression of indexes. But Vertica costs so much more of Valentina that we play in very different segments of market. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Which messages are sent to a datagrid on opencard?
Hi, I have a rather complex stack that needs quite a few datagrids on a card. Now when said card is opened it is noticeably laggy. I guess this is due to the messages that are sent to the datagrids on (pre)opencard. PreopenControl or something the like? If I remove the dgs, or lock messages before going to the card, everything is speedy. Now I wonder: Can I lock messages before going to said card and avoid the lagging and still being able to populate may data? Cheers, Malte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Stack dimension for mobile application
As far as I know, the resolution of the screen of iPhone 4 is 960 x 640 iPhone3 - iPod Touch is 480 x 320 iPad is 1024 x 768 So, if I want to deploy my application for iphone and ipad, what's the size of the stack (width and height) that I am supposed to set in order to have a full screen application in the iPhone and in the iPad? Thanks a lot Paolo Mazza ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite
On Oct 30, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: With LiveCode, for example, fields can *theoretically* hold up to 4GB, but I pity the person who tries it. There's often a vast difference between theoretical addressing limits and real-world use, hence my interest in finding actual use cases for SQLite. As Yogi Berra said, In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they're different. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Which messages are sent to a datagrid on opencard?
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote: Hi, I have a rather complex stack that needs quite a few datagrids on a card. Now when said card is opened it is noticeably laggy. I guess this is due to the messages that are sent to the datagrids on (pre)opencard. PreopenControl or something the like? If I remove the dgs, or lock messages before going to the card, everything is speedy. Now I wonder: Can I lock messages before going to said card and avoid the lagging and still being able to populate may data? Hi Malte, Yes, dgs are initialized by the preOpenControl message. Do you have: - persistent data? - cache controls activated? - sorting or custom sorting? How many rows contain the dgs? Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: Which messages are sent to a datagrid on opencard?
Hi Zryip, the dgs have no persistent data. they are populated at a later point. Neither cached controls Some of them have custom sorting however, that should only happen after the data has been populated Data is a handful of hundret lines at max. Most of them are in the 100 lines range. I tried locking mesages now, before entering the card and that appears to save me 2 seconds of waiting, without breaking anything. I just wonder if I can really risk it :) Cheers, Malte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: Which messages are sent to a datagrid on opencard?
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Malte Brill revolut...@derbrill.de wrote: Malte, the dgs have no persistent data. they are populated at a later point. Ok, the persistent data of your datagrids should be set to false. Neither cached controls Some of them have custom sorting however, that should only happen after the data has been populated Data is a handful of hundret lines at max. Most of them are in the 100 lines range. Because the dgs are empty when you first open the card, we can assume that the lag is not due to the amount of rows. I tried locking mesages now, before entering the card and that appears to save me 2 seconds of waiting, without breaking anything. I just wonder if I can really risk it :) Assuming that your dgs are filled after you unlock the messages, you have no risk. Because the first time you open the card by blocking the messages, the dgs are not initialized, but as soon as you fill the data in the dgs, the initialization stuff is executed (this stuff is executed by setting the dgData prop of dgs which have not been initialized previously) Anyway, you should not have this kind of lag with initialization of empty dgs (more than 2 seconds??). Assuming the dgs are empty, that is not something located in the row behavior (the dgs are empty so they not require to use the layout or fillindata messages) or with the number of controls in a template: nothing is drawn. Maybe something in the code of a dg group or assuming you have custom sorting, in a header behavior. If you want, I could have a look to your dgs. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[ANN] NativeDoc 1.6 update
Dear LiveCode users, I am pleased to announce the release of NativeDoc 1.6. This update is mainly about the templates, Javascript scripts has been optimized in order to provide the best user experiences with NativeDoc generated website. Note: NativeDoc 1.6 is a free update. - NativeDoc 1.6 main changelog - Fixed the bug with \seealso of a setprop/getprop - Seealso handlers that does not exists are not displayed anymore in the documentation - Added a link to open directly the NativeDoc API inside the help center - Fixed the bug that made NativeDoc not able to use stacks located in a folder name that contained an of or an id. - New about screen :) - NativeDoc now can be uninstalled from the About screen. (Button Uninstall) - Templates are now based on JSTree 0.9.9a and jQuery 1.4.3. Make documentation a bit smaller and faster. - The default template is now the template without iFrame. This template is working better with any browser. - Templates are now looking far better on Linux. - Internet Explorer 6 does not anymore use the Javascript tree, instead a list is displayed. - - If you must need the javascript tree with IE 6, use NativeDoc 1.5.1. - How to get NativeDoc 1.6 ? Simply go to http://www.nativesoft.fr/download, or in RevOnline NativeDoc Web Installer. Download the NativeDoc Web Installer stack, launch it, install NativeDoc, restart LiveCode then start using NativeDoc 1.6. Kind Regards, Damien Girard NativeSoft, France. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LiveCode Linux version: graphic effects issue with the name of a push button
Dear LC users, For the first time, I gave a try to the linux version of LiveCode (4.5.0). When I apply any graphic effect on a push button with the inspector, the name of the button disappears. What I'm doing wrong? (the showname property is well set to true) Thanks for any help. Regards, -- -Zryip TheSlug- wish you the best! 8) http://www.aslugontheroad.co.cc ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Stress-testing SQLite
I'm not sure at all that PostgreSQL would be slower than Oracle 11g, on both the OpenSuse 11 and OSX SL platforms and it would be interesting to know how Valentina performs for its own against both PostgreSQL and Oracle (would it be faster, as it's presented to to be on the http://www.valentina-db.com/ site ?). A number of the testimonials on our site also include platform information, but not all - just what customers give us. I think your suggestion is very astute, and it also goes back to the value proposition of Valentina. A few of our users are using really mighty $60K boxes. Are your clients doing that? Or do they need high performance on more modest hardware? Check out information from one user from about eight years ago (!) in building a kiosk project, comparing Valentina with MS Access. Of course, you probably wouldn't do this with Access today, but worth considering is that this is with major hardware constraints, the overhead of Director, and that since then most systems of Valentina are exponentially faster now and we've added a huge number of other improvements (64 bit version, etc). I developed a kiosk project using Paradigma's Valentina database in Macromedia Director (not exactly renowned as a speedy environment), but on a P3/600 with 384 Mb RAM I imported and indexed 20 million records (about 1.2 Gb) inside two hours. I thought I'd do a benchmark with Access 2k - it crashed after 11 hours of importing (not even indexing). Valentina did 5-term OR searches in under 0.1 sec on the entire dataset, Access (using only 10% of the data) clocked in at about 13 sec. So Valentina was 1300 times faster!!! Does anyone else need convincing that Access is really not a good way to go? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Peter, where do you get these 'facts' about the security and vulnerability of MacOS today? Your statement just doesn't match up with my experience with the OS. Dead Duck? On 31 October 2010 02:22, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. But I don't know what the starting setup is on the windows installation. Peter Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqb http://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
On 10/31/10 4:22 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Those hack fests they have every so often suggest that OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. Is that true? I'd always heard that OS X ranks about even with Linux because it's core is *nix. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
It's probably about a yearly hacking contest, where boxes are setup and then people are invited to hack them. Mac OS X did indeed succumb most quickly there in the last few years. In addition there has been reports of one infection in the wild that uses java, and is able to run on mac os as well as on windows. Windows is protected by UAC, Antivirus, and windows defender. I'd argue that in everyday environments, windows is actually better secured then mac os and maybe on even footing with linux. On the flipside, it's also the most likely one to be targeted. Because most infections for people like us come in randomly, the risk of having a crisis is therefore far bigger on windows. I do have a windows machine, and I consider it the insecure one, compared to my unpatched mac os x server and my everyday machine. Linux is too hard to use for me, so I can't comment much on that, beyond it probably not being the target of anyone with it's almost inexistent market share among non-tech oriented users. On 31 Oct 2010, at 18:57, stephen barncard wrote: Peter, where do you get these 'facts' about the security and vulnerability of MacOS today? Your statement just doesn't match up with my experience with the OS. Dead Duck? On 31 October 2010 02:22, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. But I don't know what the starting setup is on the windows installation. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stress-testing SQLite
Hi Lynn, I'm not sure at all that PostgreSQL would be slower than Oracle 11g, on both the OpenSuse 11 and OSX SL platforms and it would be interesting to know how Valentina performs for its own against both PostgreSQL and Oracle (would it be faster, as it's presented to to be on the http://www.valentina-db.com/ site ?). A number of the testimonials on our site also include platform information, but not all - just what customers give us. I think your suggestion is very astute, and it also goes back to the value proposition of Valentina. A few of our users are using really mighty $60K boxes. Are your clients doing that? Or do they need high performance on more modest hardware? High performance on more modest hardware went always the way i recommended to most of my customers (EADS excluded, of course !). Check out information from one user from about eight years ago (!) in building a kiosk project, comparing Valentina with MS Access. Of course, you probably wouldn't do this with Access today, but worth considering is that this is with major hardware constraints, the overhead of Director, and that since then most systems of Valentina are exponentially faster now and we've added a huge number of other improvements (64 bit version, etc). Seems really interesting. Is Valentina server able to run as a LiveCode server companion ? Is it way to install it in an on-rev account ? I developed a kiosk project using Paradigma's Valentina database in Macromedia Director (not exactly renowned as a speedy environment), but on a P3/600 with 384 Mb RAM I imported and indexed 20 million records (about 1.2 Gb) inside two hours. I thought I'd do a benchmark with Access 2k - it crashed after 11 hours of importing (not even indexing). Valentina did 5-term OR searches in under 0.1 sec on the entire dataset, Access (using only 10% of the data) clocked in at about 13 sec. So Valentina was 1300 times faster!!! Does anyone else need convincing that Access is really not a good way to go? Went Access ever some thing else than a poor and unreliable way to store data ? I never used it in a production-state project... I liked to have to do with direct-to-disk flat-file-based MC/Rev db, SQLServer (a Sybase technology, as anyone should remember), Sybase ASE, PostgreSQL or even Oracle 8i to 11g. I never got pleasure and confidence to run MySQL but it seems i will get good time in testing Valentina, hopefully, in the near. Best Regards, Pierre Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Stack dimension for mobile application
You need to reduce the size by 20 pixels to allow for the status bar for the iPhone 3 and iPad so I guess this means a 40 pixel reduction for the iPhone 4. Terry... On 31/10/10 10:41 PM, paolo mazza mazzapaoloit...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, the resolution of the screen of iPhone 4 is 960 x 640 iPhone3 - iPod Touch is 480 x 320 iPad is 1024 x 768 So, if I want to deploy my application for iphone and ipad, what's the size of the stack (width and height) that I am supposed to set in order to have a full screen application in the iPhone and in the iPad? Thanks a lot Paolo Mazza ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
On 10/31/2010 07:57 PM, stephen barncard wrote: Peter, where do you get these 'facts' about the security and vulnerability of MacOS today? Your statement just doesn't match up with my experience with the OS. Dead Duck? Well Idon't know; my ducks have been alive and quacking for years with not a single problem; I find it absolutely hilarious that you think Windows is more secure than Mac OS; but, hey, maybe I'm just one naive cookie who stupidly believes that the Toyota Auris we just bought is a safer bet than my cousin's 3 wheeled Trabant from 1982; guess I was fooled by those naughty Japanese, instead of sticking with the German Democratic Republic . . . :) Hey, while I'm here, has anybody noticed that Erich Honecker and Bill Gates have a certain Je ne sais quoi in common? On 31 October 2010 02:22, Peter Alcibiadespalcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. But I don't know what the starting setup is on the windows installation. Peter Stephen Barncard San Francisco Ca. USA more about sqbhttp://www.google.com/profiles/sbarncar ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
On 10/31/2010 08:12 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: It's probably about a yearly hacking contest, where boxes are setup and then people are invited to hack them. Mac OS X did indeed succumb most quickly there in the last few years. In addition there has been reports of one infection in the wild that uses java, and is able to run on mac os as well as on windows. Windows is protected by UAC, Antivirus, and windows defender. I'd argue that in everyday environments, windows is actually better secured then mac os and maybe on even footing with linux. On the flipside, it's also the most likely one to be targeted. Because most infections for people like us come in randomly, the risk of having a crisis is therefore far bigger on windows. I do have a windows machine, and I consider it the insecure one, compared to my unpatched mac os x server and my everyday machine. Linux is too hard to use for me, so I can't comment much on that, beyond it probably not being the target of anyone with it's almost inexistent market share among non-tech oriented users. The first thing I do when I install Mac OS X on a machine is enable the ROOT account; that is dead easy; especially as the Mac OS HELP system tells you how to do it. Set up the FIREWALL, SHARING and so on. Windows, on the other hand, starts telling you to fork out extra moolah for anti-virus stuff . . . On 31 Oct 2010, at 18:57, stephen barncard wrote: Peter, where do you get these 'facts' about the security and vulnerability of MacOS today? Your statement just doesn't match up with my experience with the OS. Dead Duck? On 31 October 2010 02:22, Peter Alcibiadespalcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. But I don't know what the starting setup is on the windows installation. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Yes, it was the annual hackfests. I only know two people with OSX, and neither one has been compromised. Whether the Unix underpinnings make OSX more secure? I think the hacks, but maybe others recall better, were due to applications and privilege escalation. I am really not sure what to conclude about real world safety. If you set up all three systems the same way, with the same basic precautions, would there be any significant differences in security? Don't know. I do know that I have had two people recently, one with 7 and one with XP, ask me for help with compromised systems. I refuse to try to disinfect now, so one who did not want to risk it again got Mandriva, with which he is very happy, in fact, despite my efforts to explain, I suspect he may think its Windows 8 or 9, and the other got an OEM copy of 7, and we will be doing a reformat and reinstall shortly. I do think there is a very different attitude on the part of developers. Linux, you see it in everything, is completely paranoid about security. I recall years ago when the kde dialer went to enormous lengths to take root privileges for the shortest possible and most limited time. Apple I think is quite casual because of years of low risk. Windows seems to have this strange mixture of not taking the most basic precautions, and then layering on all kinds of stuff to protect it. I have never heard of a non-server compromised Linux install. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Browsing-the-internet-It-is-safer-from-Linux-tp3020657p3021414.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Le 31 oct. 2010 à 19:00, J. Landman Gay a écrit : On 10/31/10 4:22 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Those hack fests they have every so often suggest that OSX is a dead duck almost right away, Windows not long after, and Linux holds out longest. Is that true? I'd always heard that OS X ranks about even with Linux because it's core is *nix. Jacque, OSX or Linux are still mainly safe, as long as the firewall, user accounts and networked services are normally set. Don't worry. No way at all to hack remotely a MacOS X box in less time than to say, alike some smiling kids like, target internal HD remotely unmounted ;-) Kind Regards, -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Pierre Sahores mobile : (33) 6 03 95 77 70 www.wrds.com www.sahores-conseil.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Richmond wrote: The first thing I do when I install Mac OS X on a machine is enable the ROOT account; that is dead easy; especially as the Mac OS HELP system tells you how to do it. Set up the FIREWALL, SHARING and so on. Windows, on the other hand, starts telling you to fork out extra moolah for anti-virus stuff . . . Incorrect, to a degree. It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. The average non-tech-savy user will pay the ransom. However, the free-edition of AVG has protected my computers for years. However, recently a Trojan slipped through, and I switched to Microsoft Security Essentials (also free), on the recommendations of several trusted colleagues. It isn't Windows that is bad, it is SkyNet. ;-) Sorry, I'm watching the Sarah Conner Chronicals. ~Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Roger.E.Eller wrote: It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. URL? I'm sometimes prone to notions that seem conspiratorial myself, but while this meme has been floating around for a few years I've not yet been able to find any actual case where this has been demonstrated to have happened. Not to say that if it hasn't been proven it's impossible, but it's such a harsh accusation of massively destructive criminal fraud with potentially billions on the line that one would think that if such stories were true many - including the FBI - would be well motivated to corroborate. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Escape key doesn't work with fullScreen?
Richmond wrote: On 10/31/2010 12:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: While testing a presentation stack I noticed that the escapeKey message doesn't seem to be sent while the stack is in fullscreen mode, though it works as expected otherwise. Is this a known feature/issue? Or am I doing something wrong? Which OS was that? It turns out that this is repeatable on any OS used by someone too stupid to remember he also has a rawKeyDown handler in place and instead posts to the list before double-checking his code. This cognition bug is not fixable by RunRev, and has been marked as a duplicate of several related reports. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com LiveCode Journal blog: http://LiveCodejournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Roger.E.Eller wrote: It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. Richard Gaskin replied: URL? I'm sometimes prone to notions that seem conspiratorial myself, but while this meme has been floating around for a few years I've not yet been able to find any actual case where this has been demonstrated to have happened. No no no no... I said VIRUS MAKERS, not ANTI-virus makers. One of the most common viruses is called Anti-Virus 2010, which spoofs a window to look almost identical to a real antivirus window. No conspriacy, just tricky devils. Google it, but be careful, some of the rusults can lead you to an infecting site. ~Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. URL? I'm sometimes prone to notions that seem conspiratorial myself, but while this meme has been floating around for a few years I've not yet been able to find any actual case where this has been demonstrated to have happened. I'm surprised you've never come across this Richard. Several weekends ago I spent several hours getting rid of this one on my father-in-law's laptop: http://deletemalware.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-remove-smart-engine-malwar e.html These things been around for years and are only getting better (more official looking and more difficult to remove). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Guess I should clarify, it's not put out by an antivirus company, it is software that's been rewritten to rip off people whose machines it infects. Recently, I wrote: Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote: It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. URL? I'm sometimes prone to notions that seem conspiratorial myself, but while this meme has been floating around for a few years I've not yet been able to find any actual case where this has been demonstrated to have happened. I'm surprised you've never come across this Richard. Several weekends ago I spent several hours getting rid of this one on my father-in-law's laptop: http://deletemalware.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-remove-smart-engine-malwar e.html These things been around for years and are only getting better (more official looking and more difficult to remove). Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
On 10/31/2010 09:34 PM, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Richmond wrote: The first thing I do when I install Mac OS X on a machine is enable the ROOT account; that is dead easy; especially as the Mac OS HELP system tells you how to do it. Set up the FIREWALL, SHARING and so on. Windows, on the other hand, starts telling you to fork out extra moolah for anti-virus stuff . . . Incorrect, to a degree. It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. The average non-tech-savy user will pay the ransom. However, the free-edition of AVG has protected my computers for years. However, recently a Trojan slipped through, and I switched to Microsoft Security Essentials (also free), on the recommendations of several trusted colleagues. It isn't Windows that is bad, it is SkyNet. ;-) Sorry, I'm watching the Sarah Conner Chronicals. ~Roger Well; in this case, at least, I am perfectly happy to be wrong, and am extremely happy to hear that you can successfully protect a Windows machine with a minimum of outlay. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Microsoft security essentials is the target of another spoof alert attack, though I'm sure you got the real microsoft security essentials from the microsoft site, I've had to fix this one for a friend, recently in fact. http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-fake-microsoft-security-essentials-alert While most of the time, it's obvious that it's a scan, but not always. What is it the IRA statement to Margaret Thatcher said? (goes to find it) Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always. I see Virii in the same light, minus the bombs, blood and death. Heck, I see spoof emails in the same light too. Send out 12 million and you don't have to get many bites to make it worthwhile. On 10/31/10, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote: Richmond wrote: The first thing I do when I install Mac OS X on a machine is enable the ROOT account; that is dead easy; especially as the Mac OS HELP system tells you how to do it. Set up the FIREWALL, SHARING and so on. Windows, on the other hand, starts telling you to fork out extra moolah for anti-virus stuff . . . Incorrect, to a degree. It is in many cases the virus makers themselves who infect Windows, and then use FAKE anti-virus messages that offer to cleanse your machine for a fee. The average non-tech-savy user will pay the ransom. However, the free-edition of AVG has protected my computers for years. However, recently a Trojan slipped through, and I switched to Microsoft Security Essentials (also free), on the recommendations of several trusted colleagues. It isn't Windows that is bad, it is SkyNet. ;-) Sorry, I'm watching the Sarah Conner Chronicals. ~Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Escape key doesn't work with fullScreen?
On 10/31/10 3:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: This cognition bug is not fixable by RunRev, and has been marked as a duplicate of several related reports. ;) LOL! You're talking about some of my reports, right? :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Escape key doesn't work with fullScreen?
I have that problem crop up quite often. My brother tells me its a problem between the keyboard and chair. I've never been quite sure what he meant by that.. On 10/31/10, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On 10/31/10 3:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: This cognition bug is not fixable by RunRev, and has been marked as a duplicate of several related reports. ;) LOL! You're talking about some of my reports, right? :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Browsing the internet... It is safer from Linux?
Sounds like you have users with unsafe browsing habits, who end up falling for many of the social attacks out there. I have the same problem in my household, but I've cured all but my Dad, who insists on downloading and installing every exe he runs across which claims to make his system run faster. :-) I've used the free version of AVG since XP with ZERO problems on a bunch of computers, including my current two with Win 7. I'm not saying no one else has viruses on Windows, just not ones I use. On Sunday, October 31, 2010, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Every time I have installed a variant of Windows on a machine that is connected to the Internet, sooner rather than later, things have gone 'queer'. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Swapping scrolling text for regular text
Thanks Terry. (I did stumble on it as well, and was embarrassed I posted but you never know with these things). I have another question to post tonight, hopefully not quite as silly. Terry Judd wrote: Mark - all you need to do is select the field and enable its vScrollbar property in the property inspector. Regards, Terry... -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Swapping-scrolling-text-for-regular-text-tp3020802p3021735.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Refreshing a card
Hello all, by now most of you are probably familiar with my silly questions (born of, I am afraid, too many years engrossed in procedural programming languages). Here we go. I have a menu option called Toggle Date Stamp and it toggles on/off the display of a date stamp on the card. When you select it you might expect that the card goes from displaying the date stamp to not displaying the date stamp ad infinitum. Not so. In fact nothing changes. If I move off the card and then back on I see the correct behaviour but not while I am actually on the card (or any card). I am guessing that in the Toggle Date Stamp menu code (below) I need to send a message to the card to refresh itself. But what message? case Toggle Date Stamp set the showDateStamp of this stack to not the showDateStamp of this stack -- insert some message to get the current card to redisplay itself break end switch (Note, yes the showDateStamp property is in the stack because it effects the behaviour of all of the cards, not particular ones. Hopefully I've got that bit of logic right :-) Thanks for your patience, -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Refreshing-a-card-tp3021743p3021743.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Refreshing a card
Mark - if you want to do a general refresh the card then just call openCard in your handler. If all you want to do is refresh the date stamp object then add something like... Set the visible of grp/fld/whatever dateStamp to the showDateStamp of this stack ...to your case statement HTH, Terry... On 1/11/10 2:52 PM, Mark Smith mark_sm...@cpe.umanitoba.ca wrote: Hello all, by now most of you are probably familiar with my silly questions (born of, I am afraid, too many years engrossed in procedural programming languages). Here we go. I have a menu option called Toggle Date Stamp and it toggles on/off the display of a date stamp on the card. When you select it you might expect that the card goes from displaying the date stamp to not displaying the date stamp ad infinitum. Not so. In fact nothing changes. If I move off the card and then back on I see the correct behaviour but not while I am actually on the card (or any card). I am guessing that in the Toggle Date Stamp menu code (below) I need to send a message to the card to refresh itself. But what message? case Toggle Date Stamp set the showDateStamp of this stack to not the showDateStamp of this stack -- insert some message to get the current card to redisplay itself break end switch (Note, yes the showDateStamp property is in the stack because it effects the behaviour of all of the cards, not particular ones. Hopefully I've got that bit of logic right :-) Thanks for your patience, -- Mark -- Dr Terry Judd | Senior Lecturer in Medical Education Medical Education Unit Melbourne Medical School The University of Melbourne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Refreshing a card
Hi Mark What do you mean by moving off the card and back on? Go to a different card of that stack or suspend and resume stack / application? Also you may need to provide your setprop handler for this property because there's nothing wrong with your menu code. Cheers Monte On 01/11/2010, at 2:52 PM, Mark Smith wrote: Hello all, by now most of you are probably familiar with my silly questions (born of, I am afraid, too many years engrossed in procedural programming languages). Here we go. I have a menu option called Toggle Date Stamp and it toggles on/off the display of a date stamp on the card. When you select it you might expect that the card goes from displaying the date stamp to not displaying the date stamp ad infinitum. Not so. In fact nothing changes. If I move off the card and then back on I see the correct behaviour but not while I am actually on the card (or any card). I am guessing that in the Toggle Date Stamp menu code (below) I need to send a message to the card to refresh itself. But what message? case Toggle Date Stamp set the showDateStamp of this stack to not the showDateStamp of this stack -- insert some message to get the current card to redisplay itself break end switch (Note, yes the showDateStamp property is in the stack because it effects the behaviour of all of the cards, not particular ones. Hopefully I've got that bit of logic right :-) Thanks for your patience, -- Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Refreshing-a-card-tp3021743p3021743.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
