Skinning problems in Windows

[rgould8]

http://www.librarytools.com/aol/circledashboard.png

http://www.librarytools.com/aol/simple.zip



Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?? I'm following the instructions in the 
docs on how to "skin" a Revolution app.? It works on my Mac, but when I try to 
take the same Rev app and run it in Windows XP, all I get is a grey rectangle 
instead of the shaped application with the image.

I'm trying to take the "circledashboard.png" file above and make a Windows app 
that uses it's shape.

My attempt, which works on my Mac is simple.zip.? I've tried everything I can 
think of - - - interlaced PNG's, non-interlaced PNG's, 8-bit, 24-bit - - - 
nothing seems to work.




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Way to get rBrowser working in a standalone .exe with a "shape" defined

[rgould8]

I've created a Windows Revolution stack that has an embedded browser in it.? It 
works great until I try to set the "shape" of my app with a .PNG image.? I've 
embedded my PNG in the app as a control, and then I go to stack properties and 
set the Shape to id #1167, and I do see my app take the shape of my PNG, and I 
do see the PNG.? However, then my browser embed functionality seems to 
disappear.

You can try this yourself by going into the Revolution examples and finding the 
inetbrowser.rev stack and trying to apply a shape - - - the minute you do, it 
no longer works.

Any workarounds to this?


- Rob


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Re: OT: Way to make Safari for Windows run in kiosk mode/full-screen?

[rgould8]

 I wish I could, but in this particular case, I need Safari's new HTML5, 
embeddible fonts, and local database support.? So I really would like a way to 
make Safari for Windows go fullscreen/kiosk-mode.? Like I can using SAFT for 
Mac.



 


 

-Original Message-
From: Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: OT: Way to make Safari for Windows run in kiosk mode/full-screen?










Rob,

is this RevBrowser stuff or plain Safari for Windows?

I think revbrowser uses IE for windows...

andre

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:32 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a Rev app which passes data to a database which then needs to be 
rendered within a touch-screen kiosk in a web-browser.
>
> I really like the fact that I can embed Fonts with the latest Safari, and 
while I can use SAFT for Mac, I haven't found a solution in Windows for making 
Safari go full-screen.? Can anyone tell me if there's a way to do this?
>
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OT: Way to make Safari for Windows run in kiosk mode/full-screen?

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I have a Rev app which passes data to a database which then needs to be 
rendered within a touch-screen kiosk in a web-browser.

I really like the fact that I can embed Fonts with the latest Safari, and while 
I can use SAFT for Mac, I haven't found a solution in Windows for making Safari 
go full-screen.? Can anyone tell me if there's a way to do this?



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Is there an all-in-one CPU/Touchscreen/barcode reader device?

[rgould8]

I've seen lots of touchscreens with CPUs built into them, but I haven't yet 
found one that also has barcode reader build in.? Does anyone know if such an 
all-in-one device exists?? (Need a Windows solution)
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Re: Charset problems passing foreign chars to PHP/MySQL from Mac

[rgould8]

 I've already tried MacToISO, but it doesn't convert "Rhône" to the right 
character-encoding:


put MactoISO("Rhône") returns "RhÙne" 

 


 whereas I need to convert "Rhône" to "Rh%C3%B4ne" in order to pass it to 
PHP/MySQL and get it to successfully save.

Is there something else I need to do in Revolution (in httpheaders perhaps?) to 
ensure that data gets passed in UTF8 format?






 

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From: Mark Schonewille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 9:43 am
Subject: Re: Charset problems passing foreign chars to PHP/MySQL from Mac









Hi rgould8, 
 

MacToIso seems right to me. Just make sure to use IsoToMac when your database 
client runs on Mac. 
 

Better might be UTF8. 
 

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On 6 sep 2008, at 15:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 

> I'm having trouble saving words with special characters into MySQL > from 
> Revolution, and I'm sure I'm just missing something simple: 

> 

> (I hope these special characters come through in this email) 

> 

> Basically I need to pass this word from Revolution (run
ning on my > Mac), into a mySQL database: 

> 

> Rhône 

> 

> If I want to create an URL that I can use to pass Rhône to mySQL and > have 
> it save properly, I use an URL like: 

> 

> put URL "http://www.myisp.com/updatadata.php?valuetopass=Rh%C3%B4ne"; > into 
> databack 

> 

> If I can get Rhône to convert to Rh%C3%B4ne I'm in business, > however, I've 
> tried MactoISO, ISOtoMac, urlencode - - - everything I > can think of, but I 
> can't seem to get the right conversion: 

> 

> put MactoISO("Rhône") returns "RhÙne" 

> 

> put urlencode("Rhône") returns "Rh%99ne" 

> 

> What is the secret formula to get to "Rhône" to convert to "Rh> %C3%B4ne"? 

> 

> What's REALLY annoying is that if I run my Rev app on a Windows box, > 
> everything saves perfectly.  It's just something to do with being on > the 
> Mac platform.  Not sure why. 

> 
 


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Charset problems passing foreign chars to PHP/MySQL from Mac

[rgould8]

I'm having trouble saving words with special characters into MySQL from 
Revolution, and I'm sure I'm just missing something simple:

(I hope these special characters come through in this email)

Basically I need to pass this word from Revolution (running on my Mac), into a 
mySQL database:

Rhône

If I want to create an URL that I can use to pass Rhône to mySQL and have it 
save properly, I use an URL like:

put URL "http://www.myisp.com/updatadata.php?valuetopass=Rh%C3%B4ne"; into 
databack

If I can get Rhône to convert to Rh%C3%B4ne I'm in business, however, I've 
tried MactoISO, ISOtoMac, urlencode - - - everything I can think of, but I 
can't seem to get the right conversion:

put MactoISO("Rhône") returns "RhÙne"

put urlencode("Rhône") returns "Rh%99ne"

What is the secret formula to get to "Rhône" to convert to "Rh%C3%B4ne"?

What's REALLY annoying is that if I run my Rev app on a Windows box, everything 
saves perfectly.  It's just something to do with being on the Mac platform.  
Not sure why.



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Way to auto-run an installer when mounting internet-enabled DMG?

[rgould8]

Sometimes when downloading DMGs of product demos from the web, it seems that 
they are able to make their DMG files "auto mount" and "auto run".  I know how 
to internet-enable a DMG file, but can someone tell ho one goes about making an 
installer auto-start when the DMG is mounted?





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Reading from Sockets

[rgould8]

If I have a webpage that has a link like this:

Talk to Rev


and while that webpage in Safari has that link clicked, I'd like to have 
Revolution lurking in the background waiting for that click, can someone tell 
me what I'd need to add to this script?

on openCard
? open socket "127.0.0.1:77"
? read from socket "127.0.0.1:77" with message "gotdata"
end openCard


on gotdata
? answer "got data from the Safari webpage!"
? close socket "127.0.0.1:77"
end gotdata



I'm just a little confused about whether I need to _continually_ do the "read 
socket" in a timer-loop, or if I can give it an infinite timeout.
Right now, I don't get this to work at all, even when I click the link within 5 
seconds, so I'm obviously missing something important.? 




 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 8:33 am
Subject: Re: way to listen to port 127.0.0.1










You're on the right track.

If what you really need to do is to communicate with Rev from your web page, 
you could set up Revolution as a very simple web server on a *different* 
port -- Safari will use port 80 by default -- and send it a command in the 
form of a URL or POST command. You don't want to have the two applications 
(Safari and Rev) stepping on each other, trying to use the same port.

Andre Garzia's RevOnRockets has a basic web server implementation, but I 
don't know if you'd even need that fully-featured of a solution.

http://www.andregarzia.com/RevOnRockets/

> So, that puts me to Plan B:
>
> Since this is a touch-screen kiosk environment and I have full-control 
> over the hardware/software, I'd like to just use "SAFT", which is software 
> that makes Safari run in full-screen mode, and then have a silent version 
> of Rev running in the background waiting for it's cue.? When it receives 
> the cue, it needs to print some data to a thermal-label printer attached 
> to the kiosk.
>
> I am was hoping that I could have a javascript on a web-page that passes 
> data to 127.0.0.1:80, and then have my Rev app ready to receive that data.
>
> I'm not suceeding, however, and I could use some assistance with the 
> scripting.?
>
> Something like:
>
> open socket "127.0.0.1:80"
> read from socket "127.0.0.1:80" with message "gotdata"
>
> and then on the web-page:
>
> a href="127.0.0.1:80">Click me to test sending a message to Revolution



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Re: way to listen to port 127.0.0.1

[rgould8]

 I tried that just now, and it's still flashing white between clicks on the 
web-page.? This is evident by my particular kiosk application, which has a 
cached large image in the background, and in native Safari, I can jump from 
page to page with that background, and the foreground elements appear overtop 
without any flickering in the background.? When I switch to Rev and the 
embedded browser, however, I get a millisecond of white-full-screen flashing 
between page-draws, and it's visually disturbing.? I'm using the latest Rev 2.9 
on Leopard.

So, that puts me to Plan B:

Since this is a touch-screen kiosk environment and I have full-control over the 
hardware/software, I'd like to just use "SAFT", which is software that makes 
Safari run in full-screen mode, and then have a silent version of Rev running 
in the background waiting for it's cue.? When it receives the cue, it needs to 
print some data to a thermal-label printer attached to the kiosk.

I am was hoping that I could have a javascript on a web-page that passes data 
to 127.0.0.1:80, and then have my Rev app ready to receive that data.

I'm not suceeding, however, and I could use some assistance with the 
scripting.? 

Something like:

open socket "127.0.0.1:80"
read from socket "127.0.0.1:80" with message "gotdata"

and then on the web-page: 

a href="127.0.0.1:80">Click me to test sending a message to Revolution

That's plan B.? 


If Plan B doesn't work, then I've left with Plan C, which I know will work, but 
is less optimal - - - that plan is to have Rev send Applescript commands to 
Safari, checking the URL every few seconds and seeing if it's at a "printing 
url", and taking values from that URL.? Not optimal.? Plan B would be better if 
someone can help me get it working.







 


 

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From: Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 4:03 am
Subject: Re: way to listen to port 127.0.0.1










> Unless someone can fix the "browser window flashes white while
> browser between pages problem" - - - if that can be fixed, then
> I can do it all inside Revolution, which really is preferable.? This
> just needs to run on Mac Leopard.

I was able to eliminate (or at least significantly reduce) flicker by 
putting a lock screen at the beginning of the browserBeforeNavigate handler 
and an unlock screen in the browserNavigateComplete handler in the card 
script of the sample stack. 



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Re: way to listen to port 127.0.0.1

[rgould8]

 I started to go down the path of using the Rev 2.9 internal browser, but then 
I ran into an issue where all my full-screen web-pages with background images 
"flicker white" each time the page changes after the user touches a button.? If 
I display the same thing in Safari 3, I don't experience that problem at all.? 
This makes me think it's a Rev problem.? It even happens in the browser demo 
that comes with Rev.

So, as a backup plan, I was thinking of just using Safari along with a 
"full-screen" browser plugin called "SAFT", which pretty much gives me what I 
need, except for the ability to control printing to the level that I need - - - 
for that, I need Revolution - - - and I need to somehow get "triggers" sent 
from Safari back to Revolution.

Unless someone can fix the "browser window flashes white while browser between 
pages problem" - - - if that can be fixed, then I can do it all inside 
Revolution, which really is preferable.? This just needs to run on Mac Leopard.






127.0.01 isn't a port, it's an "IP Address" for the local machine. The port 
for web page interaction would be 80 (or 88, 8008, or something else) 
depending on how the machine and remote website are set up.

If it's true that you will be in a kiosk environment, you can force people 
to go through the embedded web browser in Rev. This gives you the 
opportunity to catch data the way you'd like. Check out the documentation 
for browserBeforeNavigate and revBrowserGet commands. I don't know if those 
will do what you want "out of the box" but you certainly can analyze the 
HTML code (and therefore the JavaScript code) to look for specific 
operations/urls you want to monitor and either simulate them or rewrite them 
before display to users so they do what you want.


 


 


 

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From: Bill Marriott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 1:56 am
Subject: Re: way to listen to port 127.0.0.1










127.0.01 isn't a port, it's an "IP Address" for the local machine. The port 
for web page interaction would be 80 (or 88, 8008, or something else) 
depending on how the machine and remote website are set up.

If it's true that you will be in a kiosk environment, you can force people 
to go through the embedded web browser in Rev. This gives you the 
opportunity to catch data the way you'd like. Check out the documentation 
for browserBeforeNavigate and revBrowserGet commands. I don't know if those 
will do what you want "out of the box" but you certainly can analyze the 
HTML code (and therefore the JavaScript code) to look for specific 
operations/urls you want to monitor and either simulate them or rewrite them 
before display to users so they do what you want.


>I have a need to write a little "listener app" that lurks in the 
>background, waiting for the user to do something on a webpage in a browser, 
>like Safari.  When a javascript routine on the web-page gets called, I need 
>my Rev app to receive a few strings of text from the browser.
>
> The only way I can think to do that is to somehow pass data through port 
> 127.0.0.1 and have Rev waiting patiently to receive that data.  I'm just 
> not sure how to go about sniffing for data from that port.  Has anyone 
> done that type of thing before that could share some code.
>
> Note that this is for a kiosk environment where I have full control over 
> the hardware and software.  This is for a Mac.



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way to listen to port 127.0.0.1

[rgould8]

I have a need to write a little "listener app" that lurks in the 
background, waiting for the user to do something on a webpage in a 
browser, like Safari.  When a javascript routine on the web-page gets 
called, I need my Rev app to receive a few strings of text from the 
browser.


The only way I can think to do that is to somehow pass data through 
port 127.0.0.1 and have Rev waiting patiently to receive that data.  
I'm just not sure how to go about sniffing for data from that port.  
Has anyone done that type of thing before that could share some code.


Note that this is for a kiosk environment where I have full control 
over the hardware and software.  This is for a Mac.


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Rev build-in browser "flashes" between pages

[rgould8]

If I use the browser demo that comes with Rev 2.9 and navigate pages on 
my web-site, the browser "flashes white" between each page-navigation.  
However, if I view the same site using Safari 3 on my Mac, it doesn't 
flash.


I was under the impression that Rev was using the WebKit Safari engine, 
but I could be wrong - - - in any case, is there a way this 
white-flashing can be avoided?


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Anyone ever print to a Zerbra label printer?

[rgould8]

Can anyone tell me if they've ever succeeded in getting Revolution to print 
to?a Zebra label printer?? In particular, an LP 2844-Z?

Second question:? Anyone know if it's possible to print a barcode label on such 
a printer from a web-browser?

>From what I'm reading the drivers for these printers are a nightmare.

I'm on a Mac, so that may or may not make things better.

- Rob

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Paying side-project for someone: Safari/Firefox bookmark/homepage app

[rgould8]

I have a need to hire someone for a fairly short-term project.? It's for a 
client who needs to an app to:

1)? alter the user's homepage URL in their browser, and 
2)? add 1 bookmark to their browser.? (It's for an ISP)

Specs:

This only needs to work on a Mac, in Tiger and Leopard.

Browsers:? Safari 2, Safari 3, and maybe Firefox if possible.

It needs to be a standalone executable.? Doesn't matter to me what it is 
written in.? It
does need to be something that can be double-clicked from the desktop.

After speaking with some engineers, the thinking is that this could all be done 
using
Apple's sync-services in Cocoa.? (Using Apple's method of allowing apps to 
update browser booksmarks
during the syncing process).? That way the browser doesn't have to quit or 
require authentification.

I'm sure a Rev app could be written as well, but to edit the browser's pref 
files for bookmarks, the
browser would have to quit first.? I'd like to avoid that if possible.

My understanding is that this cannot be done within a web-page itself due to 
security-reasons.? If
this assumption is not true, please let me know.

Please email me off the list if you know how to pull this off, and what you'd 
charge for such a task.

My off-list email is:? [EMAIL PROTECTED]







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Windows CE and touchscreen displays with CPU's built in

[rgould8]

I have a feeling the answer is no, but can anyone tell me if there's a way to 
get Revolution to run on Windows CE?

Question #2:? Can anyone recommend a good touch-screen that has a barcode 
reader built into it?? Around 17 - 20" would be preferable.? Either Mac or PC 
would be fine.? (Goal is to find one where the CPU is part of the screen).? I 
also need to be able to attach a printer and a wireless keyboard. 


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When does table-cell crop text vs. not crop text?

[rgould8]

I'm passing data to a text-object that's set up as a table in Revolution, with 
hard-tab-stops at certain intervals.? I'm having problems, however, when I do a:


set the htmltext of field "picklist" to url 


All my data comes in nicely, however, in some cases, I'm finding that the text 
in column #1 crops just where it should, but other times, the text bleeds over 
the table-cell into the cells to the right.? I'm having a hard time figuring 
out what the rules are.? (I thought just having tabs between the cell-data 
would keep each column separate.? I do have a lot of  type text 
coloring data coming into the table, however.? Perhaps Revolution expects the 
tags in the cells to appear in a specific order?

Any advice is greatly appreciated.


By-the-way - - - I've been to the Revolution listserve archives, but I don't 
see a way to do a "search" of these archives.? Is that possible?

- Rob




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Can a text field have multiple lines inside a table cell?

[rgould8]

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to have multiple lines inside a table 
cell?? I'm presently using a table field object, and putting data into that 
field object via:

set the HTMLtext of field "picklist" to datafromURL

And I've love it if I could make the text in the left-most column wrap to 2 
lines.? If I attempt to put a "" in the text for cell #1, it bumps anything 
after the  to the next line.




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Re: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts

[rgould8]

 Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm printing using a Dymo Labelwriter 400 printer 
hook up to my Mac


 


 

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Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:59 pm
Subject: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts










I am trying to print from Revolution onto a 2 inch wide X .75 inch tall barcode 
label.

I'm having a very hard time, however, because:

1)? I don't know the secret formula for creating the printpapersize dimensions.
According to the docs, 8.5 x 11" equates to a printpapersize of 595, 842.? So, 
if I'm doing my math right, a label that's 2 x .75 inches would have a 
papersize 
of 153, 57?? I'm telling the printer to print landscape, which also complicates 
things.? I don't know which end is up when defining papersize dimensions.

(e.g.? 11 is to 842 as 2 is to 153)


2)? I'm having a hard time getting any fonts to print less than 8 point.? (I'm 
on a Mac).? When I go to see all the sizes that I can use to set a font like 
"Courier", it looks like I can go down to 6, but when I print, it comes out 
huge.? Anyone know of any fonts that will print at size 6?





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Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts

[rgould8]

I am trying to print from Revolution onto a 2 inch wide X .75 inch tall barcode 
label.

I'm having a very hard time, however, because:

1)? I don't know the secret formula for creating the printpapersize dimensions.
According to the docs, 8.5 x 11" equates to a printpapersize of 595, 842.? So, 
if I'm doing my math right, a label that's 2 x .75 inches would have a 
papersize of 153, 57?? I'm telling the printer to print landscape, which also 
complicates things.? I don't know which end is up when defining papersize 
dimensions.

(e.g.? 11 is to 842 as 2 is to 153)


2)? I'm having a hard time getting any fonts to print less than 8 point.? (I'm 
on a Mac).? When I go to see all the sizes that I can use to set a font like 
"Courier", it looks like I can go down to 6, but when I print, it comes out 
huge.? Anyone know of any fonts that will print at size 6?





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Re: Demo of Rev 9 beta web-browser - nevermind, found it

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 Nevermind, I found it in the resources/examples folder in the beta.


 


 

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Subject: Demo of Rev 9 beta web-browser?










Say, can anyone point me to a Rev v. 9 beta stack that uses the new embeddable 
web-browser?? I'd like to create an app using it, but I need to make sure I can 
trap clicks and react to them using Revolution.


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Demo of Rev 9 beta web-browser?

[rgould8]

Say, can anyone point me to a Rev v. 9 beta stack that uses the new embeddable 
web-browser?? I'd like to create an app using it, but I need to make sure I can 
trap clicks and react to them using Revolution.


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Re: How to get PHP to pass colored text to RTF text in Revolution?

[rgould8]

 The problem I'm seeing when I use this technique is that Revolution no longer 
pays attention to the "hard column stops" in the table field object when I 
start using the HTMLTEXT method.? 

When I just use the native Revolution table-field object, I can set the 
tab-stops to a certain width, and my data in each column never runs into the 
other columns.? The minute I start using the HTMLTEXT method, it appears that 
Revolution stops paying attention to it's native tab-stops, and data that 
over-runs a column no longer gets "cropped", but bleeds into the columns to 
it's right.

I suppose I could start heading in the direction of embedding a browser into 
Rev to get this text-field functionality, but at that point, I might as well 
just do the whole thing as a web-site.

- Rob



 


 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Ault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:54 am
Subject: Re: How to get PHP to pass colored text to RTF text in Revolution?










you want the 

HTMLText property,  in the dictionary.

 Important!  The HTMLText property uses a tag structure that is HTML-like,
but is not completely standard HTML, in order to accommodate the full range
of text styling available in Revolution.

thus
set the htmltext of fld "dataTbl" to theStringSentFromPhp

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 11/25/07 8:05 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have php code from my server passing data into a rich-text field in a
> standalone Revolution stack.? Presently, it does it something like this:
> 
> put URL "http://urltomyserver/getdata.php"; into field "rtfoutput"
> 
> This is a text field which is set up as a table with columns.
> So far, this works well for me, but now I need the text field to have
> different colored text data for some of the columns in this text field.
> 
> The only way I can think to do this is to do something like has the PHP code
> pass data to revolution for the field like:
> 
>  echo "This text is greenand this text is
> red in the same column.";
> ?>
> but I have no idea what would need to get passed to do such a thing.?
> 


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How to get PHP to pass colored text to RTF text in Revolution?

[rgould8]

I have php code from my server passing data into a rich-text field in a 
standalone Revolution stack.? Presently, it does it something like this:

put URL "http://urltomyserver/getdata.php"; into field "rtfoutput"

This is a text field which is set up as a table with columns.
So far, this works well for me, but now I need the text field to have different 
colored text data for some of the columns in this text field.

The only way I can think to do this is to do something like has the PHP code 
pass data to revolution for the field like:

This text is greenand this text is 
red in the same column.";
?>
but I have no idea what would need to get passed to do such a thing.? 

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.




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Place to stash a text file in Vista thats shared by all users?

[rgould8]

Can anyone tell me if there's a directory somewhere in Windows Vista that is 
accessible by all users of the PC?? I need to find a place to stash a 
preference file for my app that can be accessed, no matter which user is logged 
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Printing "can't end last page" error

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I'm using Revolution Studio 2, and I'm having trouble getting printing to 
work.   What's really strange is that printing works from my standalone all on 
my 
Mac, but if I take the same app and try it on another Mac, printing doesn't 
work - - - it displays the select printer/layoff/portrait/landscape popups, but 
then when you go to print, it displays a small popup window in Revolution 
which says "Can't end last page".   Now what's strange is that when I did the 
build, I am sure to include the printer option in the settings.   I'm trying to 
print to a LabelWriter 400 label printer.


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Anyone get barcodes to print/scan on a Mac?

[rgould8]

I've been scouring the web looking for a good barcode font that will work with 
my barcode scanner (an "intelliscanner", which reads standard Code 128 
barcodes).? 

The trouble I'm finding is that the barcode font I am using works great in 
Windows, but the Mac version of it won't seem to display the first and last 
characters of the formula when printing, so it never scans.

I found a great Rev. stack to demo barcode printing in the Rev archives, and I 
noticed the formula for Code 128 barcodes puts a "numtochar(103+32) at the 
beginning and numtochar(106+32) at the end.? On my Mac, these special 
characters do not display anything in the barcode field.? In Windows, I get the 
proper barcode chars to display at the beginning and end of the string.? Not 
sure why.? I'm trying to determine if it's the barcode font itself (In theory, 
it's the same between Mac and Windows), OR perhaps something different in the 
way the Mac handles numtochar(103+32).? Any advice is greatly appreciated.


function createBarcode pCatNum
??? put 103 into total
??? put 1 into counter
 
??? repeat for each char c in pCatNum
??? add (chartonum(c) - 32) * counter to total
??? add 1 to counter
??? end repeat
 
??? put total mod 103 into checkSum
??? put numtochar(103+32) into theCode
??? put pCatNum after theCode
??? put numtochar(checkSum+32) after theCode
??? put numtochar(106+32) after theCode
 
??? replace space with numtochar(145) in theCode
 
??? -- fix for infrequent problem
??? replace numtochar(127) with numtochar(139) in theCode
 
??? return theCode
end createBarcode



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Revolution character sets showing up differently between Mac and Windows

[rgould8]

I've got an application that pulls in data from a database, some data which 
contains foreign characters (French/German characters (a's o's with dots above 
them, etc).

On Windows XP, the data shows up perfectly.

On Mac OS X, many of the foreign characters are rendering completely wrong 
within the Revolution text field.

I've tried searching the docs for UTF8 and double-byte characters and anything 
else I can think of.? Is there something special I need to do in Mac OS X 
itself to fix this problem, or is there a Revolution call/setting I should be 
using?




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Re: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer

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 Well, what I'm trying to do is create a tool that allows a shipping company to 
print their shipping forms, but use data from a host-based database.

I would have thought that Microsoft Excel would be a lousey print-formatting 
tool too, but somehow they use it.? If I can create a tool that can do this and 
bypass Excel, then it's a win-win.

The goal would be to allow a user to enter data via a nice GUI front-end, and 
then allow the user to select that data record at any point in time and print 
the shipping form to the dot-matrix printer.


 


 

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From: Stephen Barncard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: How to use Revolution 
Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 1:23 am
Subject: Re: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer









Pour through the manual and see if you can find anything about how 
the printer uses tabs. Also try and select a monospaced font.?
?

A Web browser would make a lousy print layout tool.?
?

Your workflow description is not clear; what exactly are you trying 
to accomplish??
?

?

>Say, I'm writing an app for a company that prints shipping paperwork 
>on a 24-pin OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer.? I've started off by 
>getting my hands on some working Excel spreadsheets that print to 
>the printer, with the correct character positioning and spacing to 
>fix exactly in the right spaces on the page printout.?

>?

>My questions are:?

>?

>1)? Is there a way I can somehow detect the character positioning 
>that spits of out Excel, so that I can replicate it in Revolution 
>and print to the printer??

>?

>and?

>?

>2)? I'm also toying with the idea of making the printout entirely 
>web-browser based - - - if I did that, I'd still need to work on 
>getting the exact character-positioning for the printer.? Any 
>drawbacks??

>?

>and?

>?

>3)? In the event that regular ol' HTML browser text doesn't work, 
>anyone know of I can somehow dynamically create a PDF document from 
>a web-server that could be printed that would do the same thing??

>?
?

-- ?


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Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer

[rgould8]

Say, I'm writing an app for a company that prints shipping paperwork on a 
24-pin OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer.? I've started off by getting my hands 
on some working Excel spreadsheets that print to the printer, with the correct 
character positioning and spacing to fix exactly in the right spaces on the 
page printout.

My questions are:

1)? Is there a way I can somehow detect the character positioning that spits of 
out Excel, so that I can replicate it in Revolution and print to the printer?

and 

2)? I'm also toying with the idea of making the printout entirely web-browser 
based - - - if I did that, I'd still need to work on getting the exact 
character-positioning for the printer.? Any drawbacks?

and

3)? In the event that regular ol' HTML browser text doesn't work, anyone know 
of I can somehow dynamically create a PDF document from a web-server that could 
be printed that would do the same thing?




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Embedding font in downloaded .rev stack

[RGould8]

Say, has anyone created a demo stack of how one goes about embedding and 
displaying a font in a .rev file that's downloaded by a separate standalone 
executible.   

I've seen demos of loading and unloading font files, but I haven't seen a 
successful example of embedding a font (particularly in a stack that's 
downloaded 
from another stack, and used)


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Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web

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Say, any idea if I can write a "stub stack" that pulls down a second stack 
off the internet, and yet uses a font that's embedded in that second stack, 
using the new font embedding technology in Rev?




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Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app

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  http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w 
 
 http://www.mini-itx.com/ 
 
 
 I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app on, 
but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive environent, 
so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based hard-drive" solution, or 
something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone have any favorite hardware for 
such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB or COM port for a device that needs 
to send barcode data to this terminal, plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard 
input.
  

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Does Embed fonts with AltFont.bundle work in standalone?

[rgould8]

 Say, I'm trying to get a "barcode" font embedded in my standalone Mac 
Revolution application, but I'm not having much luck. It works in "authoring 
mode", but not "standalone" mode for me. I understand that it's due to be 
integrated into Rev at some time in the future - - - does that mean that it's 
not completely ready yet, or am I just doing something wrong? For instance, if 
I take the altfontbrowser demo app and make it a standalone, I'm not having 
luck getting it to pull in the font either, which makes me wonder if perhaps 
it's just an authoring-mode feature at this point.
 
 From my understanding, I just need to set the externals path and hit save, and 
then make sure that my altfont.bundle file is at that path, right?
 
 
  

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Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes

[rgould8]

 Say, can I "embed" a barcode 128 font into my Rev app so I don't have to force 
the user to install?

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 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 5:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes
 
  > http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Categories/LabelWriter_Printers.html 
 > 
 > Looking at the website, there's a couple of options - - - now since they are 
 > USB-connected, does that mean I'd print straight from Revolution just as you 
 > would to a regular printer, and the printer just comes with the drivers? 
 
 That's how I do it on a Mac. The only annoying thing is that Rev can't 
 store & restore printer setups, so I have to get my users to go 
 through Page Setup every time the program needs to swap printer. 
 
 I use the Dymo Labelwriter Turbo 360 which doesn't look like it is 
 available any more, but so long as they have Mac drivers, I don't 
 think it matters which you use. 
 
 You will need to experiment with the area that you can print on a 
 single label, but once you have that, it should all work well. 
 
 Cheers, 
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Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes

[rgould8]

 Hmmm, I wonder if Applescript could be used to store & restore printer setups.

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 Sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 4:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes
 
  > http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Categories/LabelWriter_Printers.html 
 > 
 > Looking at the website, there's a couple of options - - - now since they are 
 > USB-connected, does that mean I'd print straight from Revolution just as you 
 > would to a regular printer, and the printer just comes with the drivers? 
 
 That's how I do it on a Mac. The only annoying thing is that Rev can't 
 store & restore printer setups, so I have to get my users to go 
 through Page Setup every time the program needs to swap printer. 
 
 I use the Dymo Labelwriter Turbo 360 which doesn't look like it is 
 available any more, but so long as they have Mac drivers, I don't 
 think it matters which you use. 
 
 You will need to experiment with the area that you can print on a 
 single label, but once you have that, it should all work well. 
 
 Cheers, 
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Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes

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http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Categories/LabelWriter_Printers.html

Looking at the website, there's a couple of options - - - now since they are 
USB-connected, does that mean I'd print straight from Revolution just as you 
would to a regular printer, and the printer just comes with the drivers?


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> Can you tell me which version of the Dymo Label printer you are using?
> 
> 






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> Can you tell me which version of the Dymo Label printer you are using?
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Re: Printer to print UPC barcodes

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In a message dated 4/27/07 5:25:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> 
> I use a barcode font, then you can print barcodes on any printer. You
> have to generate the barcode text - the methods for doing this will
> vary from code to code, but if you want to see how I did it for Code
> 128, there is a stack on my web site
> . Then just display that text in the
> barcode font and you can print it just like any other text.
> 
> I use a Dymo Label printer and a standard laser printer.
> 
> HTH,
> Sarah
> 

This is great!   Though will this work on a Mac too with a Dymo Label 
printer?

Can you tell me which version of the Dymo Label printer you are using?



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Printer to print UPC barcodes

[RGould8]

Say, I'm looking for a means of creating an app that will allow me to print 
UPC barcode labels.   I was digging around and found this printer:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009KRY6Y

But I have no idea if I can control it from Rev.   Anyone on this list have 
any experience with using Rev to print barcodes?




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Re: Will revOpenDatabase work in a shared-hosting environment

[RGould8]

Well know you've peaked my interest.   You haven't found _many_ - - - but 
have you found _any_ hosting companies that allow Revolution to connect to 
mySQL 
remotely?

In a message dated 1/17/07 12:12:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Good luck with that, I haven't found many that will allow that.
> You might be better off with a virtual server, and setting your own
> custom permissions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Well, if that's the case, then simplehost.com is toast in my book.   My 
> dream
> > hosting environment is one where I can connect to mySQL from Revolution
> > remotely, and run Ruby on Rails.   I think it may be time for me to 
> switch.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/17/07 11:32:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hiya,
> >>
> >> Some ISPs will not allow database access from external sources. It's ok
> >> to use php and stuff on the hosting server, but anything outside their
> >> subnet is a no-no. This is the same setup for GoDaddy.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Luis.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Schonewille wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure that the MySQL server is using old-style password?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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> >>> Op 17-jan-2007, om 17:14 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven:
> >>>
>  I'm having a rough time getting revOpenDatabase to work on a mySQL
>  database
>  that I am presently hosting at www.simplehost.com.   I've checked the
>  ports on
>  simplehost, and they claim that the port is 3306 for mySQL.   I've
>  written
>  lots of php scripts which successfully pull data from the database
>  locally on the
>  server.   It's just the standalong application in Rev that's the
>  roadblock at
>  the moment.   I've even downloaded the excellent MySQL tests demo, and
>  it's
>  not connecting either.
> 
>  The only variables I can think of that might be causing problems:
> 
>  1)   simplehost.com is blocking access from the outside
>  2)   perhaps I need to try the SSL settings
>  3)   perhaps it's something I'm doing wrong in the way I'm passing
>  data into
>  the revOpenDatabase command
> 
>  Partially, I don't trust my ISP, but partially, I don't trust me
>  either - - -
>  any help is greatly appreciated
> 
>  revOpenDatabase("MySQL","www.simplehost.com","mytestDB',robtest,)
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Re: Will revOpenDatabase work in a shared-hosting environment

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Well, if that's the case, then simplehost.com is toast in my book.   My dream 
hosting environment is one where I can connect to mySQL from Revolution 
remotely, and run Ruby on Rails.   I think it may be time for me to switch.


In a message dated 1/17/07 11:32:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hiya,
> 
> Some ISPs will not allow database access from external sources. It's ok
> to use php and stuff on the hosting server, but anything outside their
> subnet is a no-no. This is the same setup for GoDaddy.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> Mark Schonewille wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are you sure that the MySQL server is using old-style password?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mark
> >
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> > Op 17-jan-2007, om 17:14 heeft [EMAIL PROTECTED] het volgende geschreven:
> >
> >> I'm having a rough time getting revOpenDatabase to work on a mySQL
> >> database
> >> that I am presently hosting at www.simplehost.com.   I've checked the
> >> ports on
> >> simplehost, and they claim that the port is 3306 for mySQL.   I've
> >> written
> >> lots of php scripts which successfully pull data from the database
> >> locally on the
> >> server.   It's just the standalong application in Rev that's the
> >> roadblock at
> >> the moment.   I've even downloaded the excellent MySQL tests demo, and
> >> it's
> >> not connecting either.
> >>
> >> The only variables I can think of that might be causing problems:
> >>
> >> 1)   simplehost.com is blocking access from the outside
> >> 2)   perhaps I need to try the SSL settings
> >> 3)   perhaps it's something I'm doing wrong in the way I'm passing
> >> data into
> >> the revOpenDatabase command
> >>
> >> Partially, I don't trust my ISP, but partially, I don't trust me
> >> either - - -
> >> any help is greatly appreciated
> >>
> >> revOpenDatabase("MySQL","www.simplehost.com","mytestDB',robtest,)
> >
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Will revOpenDatabase work in a shared-hosting environment

[RGould8]

I'm having a rough time getting revOpenDatabase to work on a mySQL database 
that I am presently hosting at www.simplehost.com.   I've checked the ports on 
simplehost, and they claim that the port is 3306 for mySQL.   I've written 
lots of php scripts which successfully pull data from the database locally on 
the 
server.   It's just the standalong application in Rev that's the roadblock at 
the moment.   I've even downloaded the excellent MySQL tests demo, and it's 
not connecting either.   

The only variables I can think of that might be causing problems:

1)   simplehost.com is blocking access from the outside
2)   perhaps I need to try the SSL settings
3)   perhaps it's something I'm doing wrong in the way I'm passing data into 
the revOpenDatabase command

Partially, I don't trust my ISP, but partially, I don't trust me either - - - 
any help is greatly appreciated

revOpenDatabase("MySQL","www.simplehost.com","mytestDB',robtest,)
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Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

[rgould8]

 Scott - - this is great info, thanks!
 
 So it sounds like the only drawback is:
 
 1) A clunky cable interface
 
 I forgot to ask - - - are you doing this on a Mac or Windows platform? Would 
this work with a Mac?
 
 How does the scanner know that the data actually made it into the computer 
before it deletes all it's contents?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 1:25 AM
 Subject: Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?
 
  >> I'm curious to know if the mini sends barcodes to Revolution as if you're
>> using a keyboard

> I'm still trying to get details on how to possibly connect the scanner
> output to Rev

OK, it's pretty basic -- the scanner sends the barcode digits to any region
on the screen that can accept text, which means you can scan a code into a
Rev field that has focus.  As you guessed above, the scanner sends barcodes
in the form of keystrokes (keyDown message).  I tried scanning an iTunes
gift card barcode and it works.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

[rgould8]

 That's great! I emailed them yesterday asking if I could obtain one as a 
developer, but I haven't heard back yet. I'm curious to know if the mini sends 
barcodes to Revolution as if you're using a keyboard, or if you have to write 
some special driver connections to get data out of it. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 9:20 PM
 Subject: Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?
 
  Recently, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> http://www.flicscanner.com/
> 
> I'd love to use this device with a Rev app I'm making if at all possible.   I
> have no idea how to interface with BlueTooth technology, however.

I picked up this one at Macworld to do some experiments.

http://www.intelliscanner.com/products/mini/index.html

It already has software built for it, but not sure if any dev kit is
available.  I'll mention anything I find out.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: AltBrowser licensing/documentation

[RGould8]

I _just_ bought Rev Studio yesterday, so if there's a newsletter with 
instructions on where to download altBrowser, I'd love to know where it is.

In a message dated 1/11/07 3:58:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Hello.
> 
> As we all know, RunRev has published the plugins from Altuit 
> (altBrowser/Font/SQLite) to current Studio license holders via their 
> newsletter. I downloaded the plugin pack and, after scouring Google 
> caches for the documentation for altBrowser, I'm trying to get it 
> online for testing. I've brought it to a point where it is requesting 
> a registration code and email address in the error "error: could not 
> validate regcode" when trying to fire the plugin up. I'm assuming 
> this means that altBrowser needs an activation key of some sort. Has 
> a generic username/code been released, is this a bug and it will be 
> patched soon, do I use my Studio license to unlock it somehow, or am 
> I up a creek for the time being.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
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Re: Ways to get text from browser?

[RGould8]

Wow!   That's great - - - I misread!
In a message dated 1/11/07 1:54:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> altBrowser is available for the mac since it's first version. I use 
> it everyday.
> 
> then you can just use the externals command to fetch the text.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Jan 11, 2007, at 4:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone tell me the Applescript call to make in Revolution to 
> > retrieve the
> > text that's presently in the browser window (either Safari or IE - 
> > - - I
> > understand that Firefox is not Applescriptable yet)
> >
> > That is, unless I can use Altuit's browser inside Rev, but if I'm 
> > reading the
> > runrev site correctly, it's not available just yet for Mac.
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Ways to get text from browser?

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me the Applescript call to make in Revolution to retrieve the 
text that's presently in the browser window (either Safari or IE - - - I 
understand that Firefox is not Applescriptable yet)

That is, unless I can use Altuit's browser inside Rev, but if I'm reading the 
runrev site correctly, it's not available just yet for Mac.

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Re: Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

[RGould8]

I'm open to the suggestion of going USB instead of BlueTooth, and picking a 
barcode scanner that types into an input field like a keyboard.   

Can anyone tell me of any favorites?   In particular, any that could be 
wireless, collect a bunch of data, and then plug into the computer to download 
the 
data into a Revolution text field?



In a message dated 1/10/07 11:37:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


> There are a lot of bar code scanners out there. Most will work
> substituting for a keyboard and with any software.
> 
> USB seems to be the lingua franca these days, in which case it should
> just plug in to a USB port and will simply type a number into 'the
> selection' in a field after scanning. This will work with any app
> that allows input into fields.
> 
> some wands can 'remember' and timestamp many scans and could be
> docked periodically for data download.
> 
> serial port for interface might be found in older models. Rev can do
> this, either through a real port on a PC or a virtual port with a
> Keyspan USB-serial dongle.
> 
> If the device is bundled with inventory software, beware of
> proprietary connections and platform incompatibilities.
> 
> bluetooth might work if the drivers patch into the keyboard input,
> the computer in use has bluetooth, and all the compatibility issues
> are met. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to use a wire?  You won't need
> anything else if you get a USB-as-keyboard unit.
> 
> so choose wisely and talk to tech support before you buy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >http://www.flicscanner.com/
> >
> >
> >I'd love to use this device with a Rev app I'm making if at all possible.   
> I
> >have no idea how to interface with BlueTooth technology, however.
> 
> --
> 
> 
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Any way to use BlueTooth Flic barcode scanner in Rev?

[RGould8]

http://www.flicscanner.com/


I'd love to use this device with a Rev app I'm making if at all possible.   I 
have no idea how to interface with BlueTooth technology, however.
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Re: Server-side type-ahead data for Rev standalone

[RGould8]

Stephen,

 Thanks for all your great advice!   This would be a Revolution 
standalone app (thin client) that pulls data from a system on the internet.   

 Now when you say that the response is best accomplished with the data in 
RAM   - - - do you suggest that I have the host server package up the 
keywords and pass it down to the thin-client as a 1 MB download upon startup, 
or is 
there a better way?   (RAM on the server, for quick response?)




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> It's not clear whether you're developing a thin client or a web app.
> The best features of Rev are clearly shown with the thin client of
> which I'd suggest for this.
> 
> I don't think mySQL used locally would be too slow and the network
> would be a bigger slowdown, but the kind of response you desire can
> really only accomplished in ram, which is where rev lives. I'd
> suggest a cache made from a list of keywords that were indexed in the
> database. This cache could be created when starting up and when a
> record is added and then loaded into a variable. You only have to get
> the list of the keywords from all the records in the database - so
> that's a lot less text than loading the whole records and should be
> fairly quick even on the net.
> 
> 18 records x 6 character key = 108 = 1 megabyte.
> 
>   The code for the "guessing" would be up to you but I'm sure it's not
> that hard. The selected item in the cache would be the key for a
> search of the rest of the record from the database and fill the
> fields. Lightning fast. Rev's built-in dictionary does this, as does
> Galaxy's message box.
> 
> By the way, mySQL is not a 'freebie'. And yes, Valentina will work
> fine as well.
> 
> sqb
> 
> >For instance, if I typed "Lib", I'd like Revolution to instantly provide 
> the
> >option of auto-completing the field with "Liberty School" (a type of 
> wine). 
> >If I type "Cha", it would provide auto-completion options including 
> "Chataeu
> >Coufran", etc.
> >
> >The trick is that there's a ton of records.   Would this auto-complete
> >feature even be possible?   Are the freebie databases like mySQL on many 
> ISP's
> >really up to feeding-out data in real-time like that?   It would be
> >more like an
> >AJAX-call instead of an HTML query with ?parm= data tacked on the end.
> >
> 
> --
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Server-side type-ahead data for Rev standalone

[RGould8]

All my AJAX/Ruby-on-Rails buddies are telling me how to do this via a web 
app, but I'd like to see if this is possible in Revolution:

Let's say I have a wine database of 180,000 records hosted on a server.   (I 
don't, but I'm using that as an example - - my database would be different 
data)

I'd like to write a Revolution standalone app that would allow a user to type 
the first three characters of a wine label and have it auto-complete (make a 
good guess as to what you were about to type)   This would be a hosted 
database that grows every day with new uploaded information.

For instance, if I typed "Lib", I'd like Revolution to instantly provide the 
option of auto-completing the field with "Liberty School" (a type of wine).   
If I type "Cha", it would provide auto-completion options including "Chataeu 
Coufran", etc.

The trick is that there's a ton of records.   Would this auto-complete 
feature even be possible?   Are the freebie databases like mySQL on many ISP's 
really up to feeding-out data in real-time like that?   It would be more like 
an 
AJAX-call instead of an HTML query with ?parm= data tacked on the end.

Would I create a special lookup table for faster parsing?   

Would a Rev CGI script buy any speed?

Any online-database that's best suited for this?

Would a single autocomplete field that can auto-complete the winery and 
appellation be possible, since those are stored in separate fields in the 
database?

As a last resort, would a local Valentina database with Rev be able to pull 
this off?

I went to script.a.licous and took a look at their auto-complete demos, but I 
wasn't impressed with the speed.   (Takes nearly 2 seconds)   It would be 
great if Rev could do this faster with an optimized backend.

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Re: Way to read from USB port with Rev?

[rgould8]

 This is great advice - - - say, can you tell me which barcode reader you've 
tried this with? 

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 3:07 AM
 Subject: Re: Way to read from USB port with Rev?
 
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Can anyone tell me if it's possible to write a 
Revolution app that pulls in data from the USB port? For instance, if I wanted 
to write an app that could read the barcode info from a USB-based barcode 
scanner, could I do that with Revolution? (like the "Intelliscanner" from 
http://www.intelliscanner.com/) I've written apps to read from the COM port 
before, but I've not tried a USB-port app.
 
The way to do this might be to use a bar code reader that looks to the computer 
like a keyboard.  It will not matter if it is USB.  Standard ones using the AT 
connector often go on a Y type connector, so that either the keyboard or the 
reader can enter data.

If you do this, it doesn't matter what the application is or even what the OS 
is.  You do not need any drivers (other than OS support for USB keyboards).   
You just need the cursor in the correct field, and then any triggers of the 
reader will put the read code, followed by ENTER, into it, and you handle it as 
needed.

I have not tried this yet in Revolution, but have verified that a Y connected 
reader which emulates a keyboard will supply data to a spreadsheet in both 
Windows or Linux, and to any of several word processors, so am sure that if the 
cursor is in an editable Rev field, the data will arrive. 

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Way to read from USB port with Rev?

[rgould8]

 Can anyone tell me if it's possible to write a Revolution app that pulls in 
data from the USB port? For instance, if I wanted to write an app that could 
read the barcode info from a USB-based barcode scanner, could I do that with 
Revolution? (like the "Intelliscanner" from http://www.intelliscanner.com/) 
I've written apps to read from the COM port before, but I've not tried a 
USB-port app.
 
 
  

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OT: Would I need a content management system for this?

[RGould8]

Say, if I wanted to create a web-site that supports the following 
functionality, would I need a full-blown content management system like Drupal 
or 
Joomla!, or could I get away with something simpler like Contribute and some 
open-source modules?

Needed features:

1)   Message boards
2)   Local search (searching through past articles that were displayed on the 
site)
3)   Video streaming
4)   Filtered rostering
5)   Ability to allow 5-6 editors to update text/pictures on certain pages of 
the site.

We're not talking a high-bandwidth site here either - - - could be 800 hits a 
day, for a non-profit.

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OT: Lockable shelf with wheels

[RGould8]

I'm looking to buy a "librarian cart" type of bookshelf, with wheels on the 
bottom, so that we can roll bookshelves into conference-rooms filled with 
software development books and DVD's.   Does anyone know of a good company that 
makes such a "rolling bookshelve", but with a means of covering the 
shelf-contents under lock and key when not in use?

The closest thing I've found to date are rolling kids shelves, which stand 
about 2-ft hight and fold together (inward like a "V") for security, but that's 
not really tall enough for adults.   It would be nice to have something like 
that, but about 4ft high or so.
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Re: Can Rev as CGI pull an URL's HTML into a variable?

[RGould8]

Hmmm, I'm afraid I'm having the same problem, using the script you provided.  
 I do get 90% of the html, but the loading process just hangs.

Server:   Mac OS X Tiger 10.4
Client:   Safari or Firefox

Could it be something with Mac OS X?


In a message dated 8/16/06 3:34:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> 
> On 16 Aug 2006, at 04:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >
> > When I run the below script as a CGI, I get, maybe 90% of the html 
> > back, but it hangs at the end for some reason.  Is there a 
> > character-limit to how much text libURL can retrieve at once?
> 
> There's no limit.
> 
> As a first step, I'd suggest you retrieve the url before you starting 
> sending back any response from your CGI. Something like this (untested):
> 
> #!revolution
> 
> on startup
> 
>   start using stack "liburl_1.1.5_minus.rev"
> 
>   put $QUERY_STRING into searchstring
>   put "http://www.imdb.com/find?s=tt&q="; & searchstring into searchURL
>   put URL searchURL into databack
>   if the result <> empty then ##error occurred
>    put "error" && the result into databack
>   end if
> 
>   put "parameter   = " & urlDecode($QUERY_STRING) into tRet
>   put cr & "databack = " & databack after tRet
> 
>   put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr
>   put "Content-Length:" & length(tRet) & cr & cr
> 
>   put tRet
> 
>   wait 20 milliseconds ##helps with some servers
>   end startup
> 
> If this still has problems, let us know.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: Can Rev as CGI pull an URL's HTML into a variable?

[rgould8]

Thanks so much for your help!  That liburl stack seems to be doing the 
trick - - - - except for one thing:


When I run the below script as a CGI, I get, maybe 90% of the html 
back, but it hangs at the end for some reason.  Is there a 
character-limit to how much text libURL can retrieve at once?




#!revolution

on startup

 start using stack "liburl_1.1.5_minus.rev"

 put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr
 put "parameter   = " & urlDecode($QUERY_STRING)

 put $QUERY_STRING into searchstring

 put "http://www.imdb.com/find?s=tt&q="; & searchstring into searchURL
 put URL searchURL into databack
 put "databack = " & databack

 -- you'll never see this, because it's never done.
 put "done!"
end startup





-Original Message-
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To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Can Rev as CGI pull an URL's HTML into a variable?

  Thanks Dave. 
 
Phil 
 
Dave Cragg wrote: 
> > On 15 Aug 2006, at 21:30, Phil Davis wrote: 
> >> Second thoughts... 
>> 
 >> An alternate approach would be to forget the 'libraryStack' handler 
>> and just set the script of your new stack to the script of the >> 
"revLiburl" button. Then do everything else as already stated. This is 

a little more simple conceptually. 
 > > Unfortunately, this won't work. libUrl relies on some properties 
of the > button as well. 
 > > But you can download a ready-made libUrl stack at the following 
page: 

> > http://www.lacscentre.co.uk/liburl/releases.html 
 > > Look at the section at the foot of the page named "libUrl for CGI 
scripts". 

> > Cheers 
> Dave 
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Re: Can Rev as CGI pull an URL's HTML into a variable?

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In a message dated 8/15/06 3:36:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Don't you need to be using libURL for this to work? So before you issue 
> 'put
> url', your CGI would need to 'start using' a stack that includes libUrl.
> 
> Phil Davis
> 

I think I understand what you're saying - - - now since I'm just running the 
revolution engine as a non-GUI CGI on Mac OS X, can you tell me what exactly 
I'd need to reference as a "stack that includes libURL?"   When I downloaded 
the revolution engine for Mac OS X Unix, it only came with 1 "rev" file.

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Can Rev as CGI pull an URL's HTML into a variable?

[RGould8]

Is the "put URL" command something that is not permitted when running Rev as 
a CGI?   I'm getting no data back when I run this short script.   (I just put 
Google in as a sample URL)


#!revolution

on startup
put "Content-Type: text/plain" & cr & cr

   put $QUERY_STRING into searchstring
   
   put "http://www.google.com"; into searchURL
   
   put URL searchURL into databack
   
   put "trying to pull in " & searchURL
   
   put "databack = " & databack
   
end startup
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Anyone use Simplehost ISP for Rev as CGI?

[RGould8]

I'm trying to use my ISP (www.simplehost.com), as a host for a Revolution 
CGI.   I'm getting a bit confused about the cgi-bin folder, vs. the scgi-bin 
folder, and the exact Revolution engine I should be uploading.   Has anyone 
else 
tried installing Revolution as a CGI on simplehost.com?

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Re: Best way to have images in scrolling field?

[rgould8]

 Ok, it looks like I may have to go that route (programmatically creating and 
positioning fields in the group).
 One issue I'm having is word-wrapping - - - sometimes the data that comes back 
causes the text to the right of the icons to wrap 3-4 lines - - - other times 
it's just 1 line. I need to somehow figure out a formula for vertically 
centering the text, no matter how many lines word-wrap (vertically centered to 
the height of the icon to the left, which is in another field that scrolls 
along with the text field, via the group scrollbar)
 
 I really wish I could use some sort of HTML table for this - - - it would make 
life much easier.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
 Sent: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 6:40 PM
 Subject: Re: Best way to have images in scrolling field?
 
  On Aug 9, 2006, at 3:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 > 4) Dynamically create graphic objects and text objects, and group > them via 
 > code as they are drawn and put a scrollbar on the group. I really > don't 
 > want 
 > to go that route. 
 
 Why dynamic? Are you hitting the 32,000 pixel limit? 
 
 Here is a cool tip. Well, I like it. Double group. Set size and lock location 
on the inner group and then put the scroll on the outer. Get rid of margins as 
you need. Now you have a fixed size group that you can move around. 
 
 Maybe you can put programmatically create and position fields and images into 
that inner group. Watching out for 32,000. I'm not sure what to compare. I'd 
compare both top and bottom to the range -32,000 to +32,000 as a first guess. 
 
 Dar Scott 
 
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Best way to have images in scrolling field?

[RGould8]

I need to have some images inside a scrolling field.   Each image needs to 
have 2 lines of text to the right of it.

How many options do I have?   From what I'm reading able fields, it appears 
that I can:

1)   Use a table-field object, put a char in column 1 and set the 
"imagesource" of that char.   Then put my text that is to appear to the right 
of that 
image into column 2.   I set the fixedlineheight to FALSE so that the image 
height fits in the table.

2)   Use a regular field object - - - which I initially tried.   I used the 
same technique as in #1 above.   The problem is that I can't seem to position 
more than 1 line of text to the right of the image.   (and it's bottom-aligned)

3)   Use HTMLtext somehow - - - except that HTML tables in fields don't work, 
so I ruled out that idea.

4)   Dynamically create graphic objects and text objects, and group them via 
code as they are drawn and put a scrollbar on the group.   I really don't want 
to go that route.

Do I have any other options?
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Re: Rev app to pull data from Amazon

[RGould8]

Dan,

 Well, I have followed the instructions and have put the PERL script on 
my web-server like the Amazon API instructions say:


#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w

# This program shows how to use LWP::Simple to make an Amazon Web
# Services (AWS) REST request, and how to process the response with
# XML::XPath.

use strict;
use LWP::Simple qw($ua get);
use XML::XPath;

# Retrieve command line arguments and combine them with escaped space 
characters.
die "Usage: $0 \n"
 unless @ARGV;
my $keywords = join "%20", @ARGV;

# Define parts of the REST request.
my $baseurl = "http://webservices.amazon.com/onca/xml";;
my $service = "AWSECommerceService";
my $accesskey = "";
my $operation = "ItemSearch";
my $searchindex = "Books";
my $responsegroup = "Request,Small";
my $version = "2005-10-13";

# Assemble the REST request URL.
my $request =
 "$baseurl?" .
 "Service=$service&" .
 "AWSAccessKeyId=$accesskey&" .
 "Operation=$operation&" .
 "Keywords=$keywords&" .
 "SearchIndex=$searchindex&" .
 "ResponseGroup=$responsegroup&" .
 "Version=$version" ;

# Send the request using HTTP GET.
my $ua = new LWP::UserAgent;
$ua->timeout(30);
my $response = get($request);

# Process XML response with XPath.
my $xp = XML::XPath->new(xml => $response);

if ( $xp->find("//Error") )
{
 print "There was an error processing your request:\n", 
   "   Error code: ", $xp->findvalue("//Error/Code"), "\n",
   "   ", $xp->findvalue("//Error/Message"), "\n\n";
}
else
{
 for (my $i = 1; $i <= 10; $i++)
 {
 if ( ! $xp->find("/ItemSearchResponse/Items/Item[$i]") )
 {
 last;
 }
 my @authors;
 for (my $j = 1;
  $j <= $xp->
findvalue("count(/ItemSearchResponse/Items/Item[$i]/ItemAttributes/Author)");
  $j++)
 {
 push @authors, $xp->
findvalue("/ItemSearchResponse/Items/Item[$i]/ItemAttributes/Author[$j]");
 }
 
 print "Title: ", $xp->
findvalue("/ItemSearchResponse/Items/Item[$i]/ItemAttributes/Title"), "\n",
 "Author: ", join(", ", @authors), "\n",
 "ASIN: ", $xp->findvalue("/ItemSearchResponse/Items/Item[$i]/ASIN"), 
"\n\n";
 }
}




The part I'm having trouble with is how to get Revolution to talk to this 
PERL script and pass data to it.   I try things like:

put URL "www.mywebserver.com/itemsearch_rest.pl?Elvis" into databack


but I get this error back:

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable 
to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done 
that 
may have caused the error.
More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an 
ErrorDocument to handle the request.


I'm wondering if perhaps the ?Elvis part isn't really what the PERL script is 
expecting for a parameter.   Do you know if there's another way to pass 
parameters to that PERL script?   My ISP doesn't give me SSH Telnet capability, 
so 
I need to pass/receive data via URLs.




In a message dated 8/3/06 6:13:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> I've done a bit of work in this area but nothing ambitious. But I can 
> answer
> your other question below. Yes, you do need a developer account.
> 
> On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Do I need to get one
> > of the Amazon security-service certificates in order to do this?
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Rev app to pull data from Amazon

[RGould8]

Say, has anyone here ever written any Rev apps that pull data from Amazon, 
using the Amazon Web Services API?   

For instance, an app that allows the user to type in a search term for CD's, 
and returns a list of Amazon CD's including album covers?

If so, could I see how you accomplished such a task?   Do I need to get one 
of the Amazon security-service certificates in order to do this?
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OT: VLC to stream videos

[RGould8]

Say, this is rather off-topic, but does anyone on this listserve have 
experience using VLC (from videolan.org) to stream program streams to settop 
box 
devices?   I need to see if I can combine multiple streams into a single 
Program 
Stream for transmission over Ethernet to an "MPEG sniffer" device.

I've successfully used VLC to stream videos, but I've never combined multiple 
streams into a single Program Stream before.   (Using MPEG2)
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Cue-points in Quicktime

[RGould8]

Say, I'm trying to convert an application that I wrote in Director over to 
Revolution, and I'm wondering if Revolution has a means of intercepting the 
Quicktime "cue-points" from the text-track and displaying them in a text field? 
  
I tried using the Quicktime External demo stack (replacing the movie in that 
stack with my own Quicktime, but I didn't receive any Quicktime cue-point data 
from it using the call-back method.   Am I out of luck?

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Routine to check status of URLs

[RGould8]

If I wanted to write a Revolution script that goes through a list of URLs and 
checks each URL's status, can anyone give me pointers on the best approach?

I was originally attempting to do a "load URL" approach, and then check the 
error that comes back (either OK, or not found, re-direct failure, etc).   
Unfortunately I'm finding that load URL tends to take awhile to get through 
URLs 
that do not connect.   I thought "load url" was a non-blocking command, but for 
some reason it does freeze the execution of the handler until it gets through 
the bad URLs.

Is there a more "code to the metal of TCP/IP" technique that I could use, 
just for testing the status of the web-sites?   The data I need to get back is:

1)   Whether the site contains a re-direct or not
2)   Whether the site is found or not
3)   Whether the site is blocked or not


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how to detect re-directs using loadURL

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to detect whether an URL is being  
re-directed, using load URL or some other command?
 
I'd like to see if there's a way I can get the following status from a  
server when loading an URL, but I'm not sure how to retrieve it:
 
302 Success: Found Redirected to: (url)
200 Success: OK
301 Success: Moved Permanently

Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
 
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Slow screen refresh in Windows

[RGould8]

I did some digging around in the archives, and I see that some folks are 
having this same problem, but in my case, I haven't read a solution:

I need to be able to click on a button, and have an image "shrink", 
width-wise, until the width is zero and the image disappears:

repeat with x = 300 down to 0 step -10
set the width of image "screenshot" to x
set the loc of image "screenshot" to 300,300
end repeat


This code works perfectly on a Mac, but in Windows, I get a watch-icon for 2 
seconds, and then the image chuggs and chuggs until it disappears.   The 
performance is much much worse in Windows.

I've tried putting an unlock screen in the loop, and I've tried the "wait 0 
with message" technique.   What other way is there to accomplish this effect 
and make it work smoothly in Windows?   The image is nothing special - - - just 
a small 300x 150 BMP file.
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Broadband Optimizer for Revolution?

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me if there's a way that I could replicate the Mac OS X 
"Broadband Optimizer" app, that's found at this link:

http://www.enigmarelle.com/broadbandoptimizer.py

It's an app the increases the size of the TCP/IP packets of Mac OS X.

Reason I ask - - - I've been creating installers for an ISP using Revolution, 
and if I can mimic the behavior of this app, then I can include that 
functionality at the tail-end of the installer.   This would make the client 
very 
happy.

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Re: Way to Force Safari to load URL

[RGould8]

Ken - - - thanks - - - - you're onto something there, and I follow the logic. 
  However when I try your sample, I just get Safari with a blank window.   
How does the pDestPage value get passed into Safari as an URL to load?   (It 
may 
be that my email app "ate"/parsed of your html code, so I could just be 
missing something something (did you have javascript between the HEAD tags?)   
It's 
showing up empty in my email client.


In a message dated 3/11/05 4:01:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> On 3/11/05 12:48 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > revGoURL is great for launching the default browser to a specific URL.   
> In
> > my case, however, I need to force Safari to launch to a specific URL, even 
> if
> > the user's default browser is set to Firefox, Opera, etc.   Anyone know a 
> way
> > to do that via unix?
> 
> Here you go:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   LaunchSafari "http://www.ibm.com/";
> end mouseUp
> 
> on LaunchSafari pDestPage
>   put "" into tScript
>   set the fileType to "TEXTsfri"
>   put specialFolderPath("temp") & "/launcher.html" into tLauncherFile
>   put tScript into url("file:" & tLauncherFile )
>   get shell("open" && tLauncherFile)
>   -- need to delay the delete so there's time for Safari to open the file
>   send "delete file" && quote & tLauncherFile & quote to me in 5 seconds
> end LaunchSafari
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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Re: Way to Force Safari to load URL

[RGould8]

In a message dated 3/11/05 2:21:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Just curious. Why would you want to force the user to use a browser
> other than the one s/he's set qs the default? I've seen one or two
> things that do that to me and I just stop using them.
> 
> Dan
> 

It's for an ISP, and they have all sorts of browser compatibility issues with 
their host system.   All things outside my control.
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Way to Force Safari to load URL

[RGould8]

revGoURL is great for launching the default browser to a specific URL.   In 
my case, however, I need to force Safari to launch to a specific URL, even if 
the user's default browser is set to Firefox, Opera, etc.   Anyone know a way 
to do that via unix?

There is an Applescript call, but I've found that if the Safari default 
homepage is set to a large-website, Applescript launches Safari, tries to load 
the 
default homepage, then gives up on loading the desired URL:


tell application "Safari"
 set targetURL to "https://activate.verizon.net/launch/start/?ver=1.0&;
cdtype=vzone&type=consumer&template=no&customertype=newdsluser"
 try
  set thisDocument to document 1
 on error
  set thisDocument to ""
 end try
 if (thisDocument is "") then
  set thisDocument to make new document at end of documents with 
properties {URL:targetURL}
 else
  do JavaScript "document.location='" & targetURL & "';" in 
thisDocument
 end if
end tell


If you run this Applescript, you'll see what I mean - - - set your default 
homepage in Safari to www.google.com, and it'll work fine.   Then set your 
default homepage in Safari to www.verizon.com, and this Applescript fails.

If there's a unix-way to accomplish this, perhaps that will get around these 
Applescript issues.

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OT: Ping timeout much longer with 10.3.7

[RGould8]

Our testers have discovered that when Revolution does a shell("ping") to a 
server that isn't responding, that the timeouts are much different, depending 
on 
which version of Mac OS X one is on.   In Mac OS 10.3.2, we get feedback in a 
matter of seconds.   In Mac OS 10.3.7, it takes over 2 minutes to get 
feedback.   This happens in the terminal window too, so it's not a Rev issue.   
I'm 
not into unix enough to know what to look for on Apple's site for a technote on 
this.   "ping latency"?   What's interesting is that the same problem exists 
for traceroute, even though the docs say that traceroute's wait-period is to 
default to 3 seconds.   Any thoughts?
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OT: Creator-code for Safari?

[RGould8]

I've been using Revolution's Applescript calls to force-launch IE using 
creator code "MSIE".   Can anyone tell me what Safari's 4-character creator 
code 
is?
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Re: Getting Rev control back after shell()

[RGould8]

In a message dated 1/12/05 11:19:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> That works fine in Terminal, but Rev still waits for the command to
> finish.  Quite stupid, really.
> 
> Under Windows, there is a "start" command that can be jury-rigged to do
> this.  Not sure how to handle it under OS X/*nix (believe me, I've been
> trying to figure that one out too).
> 

H, there's just got to be a way around this - - - - how about some sort 
of unix "start this command 2 seconds from now" type of call, where you'd get 
the control back in Rev immediately.   Is there such a thing?

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Re: Getting Rev control back after shell()

[RGould8]

In a message dated 1/11/05 4:04:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> On 1/11/05 2:04 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If I've got a shell() call that executes a unix command that takes awhile 
> to
> > complete (up to 3 minutes), is there a way to give control back to 
> Revolution
> > while it's taking place?
> 
> It depends... do you need to get data back from shell or is it purely an
> "execute this command" situation?
> 
> 
> 
This is a unix call for imaging drives, but I have figured out a way to route 
the output from that unix call to a text file.   My hope was to somehow have 
Rev start up the disk imaging call process, get control back immediately, and 
have Revolution read that text file every 5 seconds to check on the status.   
It's the "getting control back immediately" part that's presently the problem. 
  Since the same issue occurs when executing the call in Terminal, I know 
it's not Rev's fault.   I guess I could just use some unix advice on 
sublaunching 
processes.


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Getting Rev control back after shell()

[RGould8]

If I've got a shell() call that executes a unix command that takes awhile to 
complete (up to 3 minutes), is there a way to give control back to Revolution 
while it's taking place?   

I was thinking perhaps a cron job or some sort of unix shell script to 
sublaunch the main unix call?

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Re: Might be time for RunRev to go mobile...

[RGould8]

In a message dated 1/9/05 8:18:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> http://gigaom.com/2005/01/08/microsoft-is-finally-mobile/
> 

I can't tell - - - Would this device be running an OS that's compatible with 
Rev?
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Convert Rev app to run inside browser

[RGould8]

I've got a Revolution app that I've written for an ISP that does a couple of 
things, namely:

1)   Uses Applescript to poll system processes
2)   Executes termal commands to retrieve gateway IP address
3)   Edits browser preference files to add bookmarks and set home page
4)   Modifies the HTTP headers and passes XML to through an HTTP address to a 
router
5)   Does MD5 encyption
6)   Writes files to the hard-drive (log files)
7)   Downloads and decompresses software from a server to the user's 
hard-drive.

It all works great as a standalone app.   Now, unfortunately my client wants 
a new app that does all these things, but runs within a web-browser.   I don't 
know how to even go about doing that - - - the very fact that it's in a 
browser limits any plug-in from doing all sorts of things to the system.   
Would 
Shockwave, Flash, or Java applets be capable of all these tasks within a 
browser?

I'd love to use altbrowser for all this, but the client is insistent that it 
run within the user's browser, and not be a standalone app.   This app is to 
run on the Mac.   The windows-folks have accomplished this be using Active-X 
within IE.
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Re: Way for browser to talk to Rev?

[RGould8]

In a message dated 12/30/04 10:40:03 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> I think Dar's got the best way.  Have the Rev stack accept connections on
> some obscure port; then the browser can make http calls to it on that port.
> If it's all running on the same machine, use the address 'localhost' or
> '127.0.0.1'.  If you want to stay on the same page, you can use an iframe;
> javascript (or even a simple link with a 'target' attribute) can change the
> src of the iframe to the results of a call to Revolution.  Either you could
> just use this to display the result to the user, or javascript could read
> back the text from the iframe in order to further process it.
> 

ok - - - I'm going to give that a try.   I know how to get Rev to listen to 
ports, but I'm a little rusty on the 127.0.0.1 technique on the javascript 
side.   

So if I have Rev listening to 127.0.0.1 port 1986, and I don't want the ahref 
to go to a new page, is the only way to accomplish this to create an 
invisible iFrame with a different target name?

Click me to talk to Rev

That type of thing?
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Way for browser to talk to Rev?

[RGould8]

I know that I can use Revolution to talk to Applescript to pass 
values/commands to IE and Safari via their "Do Applescript" calls, but is there 
a method of 
going the other way?   (For instance, pressing a button on a web-page which 
sends a Javascript call back to Revolution that can be picked up?)
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DMG compatibilty with browsers

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me, from a Mac perspective, what various browsers to by 
default when one clicks on a hyperlink on a web-page that is a .DMG file?   

I'm finding that on my Mac, Safari downloads the .DMG and automatically 
mounts it.   IE just downloads it and does not auto-mount.   Curious if that's 
the 
way it's working on your Macs as well.   Also curious what FireFox does, and 
Opera, etc.
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Rev to control DHTML

[RGould8]

I've successfully created a Rev app which passes data to Internet Explorer 
via the "do as Applescript" call passing data to Applescript, which then 
controls the browser.   For instance, I'm passing the value "55" to IE using 
this 
script:


on mouseUp
   put "55" into datatosend
   do "tell application " & quote & "Internet Explorer" & quote & " to do 
script " & quote & "passvalue('" & datatosend & "')" & quote as Applescript
end mouseUp

I then have a Javascript function called "passvalue" which accepts this value 
from Rev.   It all works great, but I've got one rather difficult thing left 
to do:

I need to write a javascript function that will take that value (between 0 
and 100), and dynamically set the width of a filled-rectangle on that web-page 
(without reloading the page).   (I'm basically making a progress-bar)   If this 
were all Rev, I'd have this done in about 5 seconds.   However, I'm not 
up-to-speed on DHTML/Javascript.   Can someone point me in the right direction? 
  
Would I control the width of a colored table-cell in a layer?   Is there some 
way via DHTML/Javascript to dynamically draw shapes?   Any advice (or sample 
code) is greatly appreciated.   This is for IE and Safari on the Mac (many of 
the examples on the web didn't seem to work in Safari for some reason)

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Re: Keychain Experience?

[RGould8]

The user is alerted to the fact that we are adding a new email account to 
AppleMail.   This is for an ISP - - - - actually, one of our competitors, 
ComCast, does the same thing - - - silently adds a new account to the user's 
AppleMail after registration - - - so I know it can be done.   I just need to 
pick 
someone's brain that knows something about keychains, or perhaps pay someone to 
write an external.




In a message dated 11/12/04 12:22:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> 
> eewww.
> 
> Silently hacking both their keychain, and their mail account
> preferences?
> 
> I'd be interested to hear the validation for that. Sorry, but it sounds
> like a virus.
> 
> 

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Re: Keychain Experience?

[RGould8]

The problem with the Applescript method of adding a new user-account to 
AppleMail is that:

1)   It forces AppleMail to start up first
2)   If the user doesn't have any accounts yet set up in AppleMail, then 
AppleMail insists on displaying a popup immediately asking the user to input 
some 
new account info.   There's no way to suppress this popup via AppleScript.

There is a way to hack into keychains, except that it then displays a dialog 
box asking the user for their authentification for the computer.   I need a 
solution that is completely silent - - - doesn't launch AppleMail, and doesn't 
prompt the user for anything.   All account info, SMTP server info, etc would 
get passed from Revolution directly into AppleMail's prefs.   Right now, I've 
got all that working using a unix call written in C, but it can't do the 
password part.


In a message dated 11/11/04 10:28:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> There is an as standalone AppleScript which can be called. However, I
> thought there are a couple of Revolution implementations which don't
> need either. All done in Rev.
> 
> Bill
> 

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must externals be defined at startup?

[RGould8]

I'm reading the docs for the "externals" command:

Specifies a list of files containing external code that are to be loaded into 
memory when the stack opens.


I've got a Revolution app that resides on the user's hard-drive, and then 
calls anothe Revolution app off a server on the internet.   Can I define 
externals when the hosted Revolution app loads, or does it all have to take 
place 
beforehand by the locally-run app?

For instance, could I store by externals on the host, and have the 
host-stored rev app load those externals?

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Re: Keychain Experience?

[RGould8]

In a message dated 11/11/04 1:51:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> But... this is all applescriptable... why would one want an external
> for that?
> 

The Applescript solution requires that you start up AppleMail.   I need a 
solution where AppleMail is not launched at all.

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Re: Keychain Experience?

[RGould8]

H - - - so you're working on a Rev external that controls keychains?   I 
might be interested in that.   I need to be able to add an email account to 
AppleMail without actually launching AppleMail.   From what I can tell, the 
only 
safe way to do this is via keychains, due to the encryption when storing the 
password to a new account.   Any idea if your external could be used for such 
a thing?

In a message dated 11/10/04 4:54:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Okay, now I am experimenting with accessing the Mac OS X Keychain from
> an External in Rev.  It seems to be working fine, except for one slight
> problem:
> 
> My standalone and the stack running under Rev are recognized by the
> Keychain Services as being the same app!
> 
> If I understand this correctly, this means that *ANY* Rev stack (at
> least, any Rev stack built with that version of Rev) will be able to
> access the same keychain data that my stack would on the same machine. 
> Needless to say this is quite insecure.  I suspect it might have
> something to do with the fact that the Rev engine is used in both cases
> as the basic "application" part of the program.
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with this, or know how to work around
> this problem?  It might take an enhancement request to get this fixed,
> not sure...
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> ---
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OS X dialog interferes with Rev screen refresh

[RGould8]

I've got an app that switches between network connection types in Mac OS X.   
In the event of an invalid PPPoE account during a connection attempt, Mac OS 
X displays a dialog box, and then Mac app is supposed to go to a new card that 
displays an error screen.

What's happening is that Revolution _thinks_ that it's displaying the error 
card, and the code on that error screen is running - - - however the user still 
sees the previous screen.   It appears that somehow the Mac OS X popup is 
preventing Revolution from updating it's display.

I've gotten around this problem by having Revolution display it's own dialog 
box, with the "answer" command.   For some reason that "wakes up" Revolution 
and gets it to update it's screen display.   

Is there another way to do this?   I've tries hiding/showing the stack, doing 
a "lock screen", "unlock screen" - - - nothing seems to work.

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Detect PPPoE vs. DHCP

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me if there's a way in Mac OS X to determine whether the user 
is currently connected via DHCP vs. PPPoE?   Some sort of unix shell command 
perhaps?   I've looked at the "ifconfig" command, and it spits back a lot if 
interesting info, but nothing jumps out at me to denote "DHCP" vs. "PPPoE".
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Re: OS X app compress/decompress solved

[RGould8]

You've saved me much pain - - - thank you thank you thank you!

In a message dated 11/3/04 11:05:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> On 11/3/04 9:58 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > My only concern is that I'm not sure if this works in all versions of Mac 
> OS
> > X (10.2 and up).   It's working great for me in 10.3.   I'm able to make 
> these
> > calls from Rev using the shell() command.
> 
> Rob, my understanding is that it's slightly different in 10.2... here's my
> notes:
> 
> 
> In OS X version 10.3 or later (Panther+), if you wish to copy the resources
> over with your file, you need to use the "--rsrc" flag (note the two
> hyphens) as:
> 
>   ditto --rsrc  
> 
> However in OS X version 10.2 and earlier (Jaguar-), you only need ONE hyphen
> for "rsrc", so it becomes:
> 
>   ditto -rsrc  
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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OS X app compress/decompress solved

[RGould8]

I did some poking around on the web for Mac OS X unix calls that do 
compression/decompression while preserving the resource-fork, and it appears that the 
"ditto" command does the trick.

to compress before uploading to the web:
% ditto -c -X   -z --rsrc some_folder some_folder.cpio

To decompress, after downloading from the web:
% ditto -c -X   -z --rsrc some_folder some_folder.cpio


There's a whole article dedicated to this issue, found at:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2003111844197


My only concern is that I'm not sure if this works in all versions of Mac OS 
X (10.2 and up).   It's working great for me in 10.3.   I'm able to make these 
calls from Rev using the shell() command.

- Rob
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Re: compress/decompress on OS X

[RGould8]

This is a great utility for non-application Mac OS X files.   However, I'm 
finding that if I try to compress an application and then decompress an 
application in Mac OS X, the decompressed file no longer works.   

I think I'm going to try putting a .DMG file on an HTTP server and see if I 
can revolution to download it, mount it, copy files from it, and then unmount 
it.   Anyone even tried that with Revolution?   It still seems like a lot of 
work just to get a Mac OS X application downloaded from the internet via Rev.   
Surely someone else has run across this issue?   (Trying to get an OS X 
application downloaded while preserving it's resource-forks)   How does Fetch do 
this?



In a message dated 11/3/04 6:33:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Check my altPlugins site for a GZ compressor/decompressor quickie...
> 
> called altCompressor at:
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm
> 

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Do all Macs have expander capabilities?

[RGould8]

If I wanted to create a Revolution app for Mac OS X that downloads a .sitx 
file, could I write a routine that would pass that downloaded file to Stuffit 
Expander for decompression?

I guess before I can go that route, I need to ask this - - - - do all Mac OS 
X systems come with Stuffit Expander?

If not, can anyone tell me what unix calls come with Mac OS X that can be 
used to compress/decompress Mac OS X applications, while preserving the 
resource-forks?
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Re: compress/decompress on OS X

[rgould8]

Thank you!  I get it now.  Whew - - - I'm glad someone else wrote all that code - - - 
I never would have imagined it would have taken such a huge effort to copy an app, but 
now I see what all that logic is necessary.  I'm retrofitting this into my code 
next hopefully I'll know shortly how this works in Mac OS X.


In a message dated 11/3/2004 3:19:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Klaus Major <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> writes:

>Hi Richard and all,
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> In a message dated 11/3/04 10:59:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Also, I think that some way back Richard or Chipp create a
 compressin/decomprerssion utility stack in rev... search the 
 archives.

 Andre

>>> If there's a compression/decompression utility stack, I'm definitely 
>>> interested.   I wonder if I'm searching the wrong archives - - - I'm 
>>> just not pulling up any examples of successful Mac OS X application 
>>> compression/decompression.   Lots of posts about 
>>> compressing/decompressing binary data into Rev stacks however.
>>
>> It's tedious, but not difficult:
>
>or one can peep in the script of btn "revbackscript" of cd 1 of stack 
>"revlibrary"
>and search for "revcompress"/"revdecompress" :-)
>
>It is undocumented, but does exactly that!
>
>I did not test it yet, if someone does, please tell us if it works with 
>OS X
>application bundles, thanks :-)
>
>> - get the directory which is the .app bundle
>> - get its contents recursively
>> - read of of those files into custom props in a stack file
>> - store the short path to the file in a custom prop
>>
>> On the flipside, to restore:
>> - walk through the custom props, writing out the stored data to the 
>> stored paths.
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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>
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Re: compress/decompress on OS X

[RGould8]

In a message dated 11/3/04 10:59:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Also, I think that some way back Richard or Chipp create a
> compressin/decomprerssion utility stack in rev... search the archives.
> 
> Andre
> 

If there's a compression/decompression utility stack, I'm definitely 
interested.   I wonder if I'm searching the wrong archives - - - I'm just not pulling 
up any examples of successful Mac OS X application compression/decompression.  
 Lots of posts about compressing/decompressing binary data into Rev stacks 
however.
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compress/decompress on OS X

[RGould8]

I've been looking through the archives, and it's sounding to me like there is 
an issue with compression/decompression in Rev, but only in Mac OS X.   I 
think I'm now witnessing this firsthand:

1)   put compress(URL "binfile://InstallAIM") into URL 
"binfile://InstallAIM4.7.gz"

This compresses the original "InstallAIM4.7" file from 3,559,694 bytes to 
3,098,808 bytes (.gz file)

2)  put decompress(URL "binfile://InstallAIM4.7.gz") into URL 
"binfile://InstallAIMresult"

This then takes that .gz file and decompresses it back to "InstallAIMresult", 
which is 3,367,676 bytes.   


It appears that what's going in is not what's coming out.   Should I be doing 
something else to this file before compressing it to make this work?   Are OS 
X apps "special" in some way?
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Re: FileFormat for uploading/downloading OS X apps

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I think I like your gzip method best, as then I can controll the 
decompression in Revolution.   I'm still having some trouble getting the decompressed 
file 
to be usable, however.   So far, this part gets the file and decompresses it:


put decompress(URL "http://www.librarytools.com/InstallAIM4.7.gz";) into URL 
"binfile://InstallAIM4.7"


But unfortunately what comes back isn't usable.   It does appear to be the 
right file-size, however, so I think I'm close.   I have a feeling this is one 
of those Mac OS X resource-fork issues.




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put URL "http://www.librarytools.com/InstallAIM4.7.gz"; into URL 
"binfile://InstallAIM4.7"
> Rob,
> 
> I don't know what you're trying to do, but, one way is to use stuffit
> to compress and libURL for the download/upload. StuffIt works great and
> preserves the MacOS resource forks. Another way, is to use gzip
> compression, you can script a stack to compress something using gzip
> and to upload/download the file to the server...
> 
> cheers
> andre
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FileFormat for uploading/downloading OS X apps

[RGould8]

Can anyone tell me the preferred method for uploading and downloading Mac OS 
X apps from http servers via Revolution?

For instance, let's say that I want my Revolution app to download the AOL AIM 
4.7 installer from an HTTP server.   First, I'd upload the file 
"InstallAIM4.7" to my http server via Fetch.   That tool automatically appends a 
".bin" 
extension to the end.

Next, if I have my Revolution app download the file, it downloads fine, but 
comes down as a text file with a .bin extension - - - and if I double-click on 
it, it just loads a bunch of gobbly-gook into a text-editor.

I realize that I can fix the file association by setting the creator-type in 
Revolution before downloading.   That I can fix.   However, I'm just not sure 
what file format to upload via Fetch that will download and decompress 
properly for those Mac user's who don't have Stuffit Deluxe installed on their Macs.  
 I'm thinking that perhaps .bin might not be the format of choice.   I looked 
into Rev's compress and decompress, but those appear to be string-compression 
commands that wouldn't fare well with large binary application files.

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