Re: number of columns in a table field
Thanks Bill, that works nicely. I don't know now what "viewablecolumns" is supposed to track since the number of columns in view at any given moment is different from it and the total number of columns is different from it. And what's the difference between "currentview" and "formattedview"? Best, russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 On May 30, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: If you're trying to determine how many columns the actual data has, as opposed to how many columns are visible, the following would work (though I don't know if it is the fastest or most clever method): put 0 into maxTabs; set the itemdelimiter to tab repeat for each line x in fld "theField" if the number of items in x > maxTabs then \ put the number of items in x into maxTabs end repeat I agree with you that the table object is extremely frustrating. Russ McBride wrote: Anyone know how to get the actual number of columns and rows in a table field (not the "viewable" number of columns and rows? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
number of columns in a table field
I know, I should probably give up on table fields, but call they're useful for building interfaces to databases that I can't give up on them yet. Anyone know how to get the actual number of columns and rows in a table field (not the "viewable" number of columns and rows? Thanks, russ p.s. If anyone has any info about when a new table field is coming out I'm all ears. Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
selecting portion of a group to display
Can someone point me in the right direction on this noob issue? Let's say I've got a group of a 100 buttons lined up horizontally. Only 3 are seen at any time by virtue of the dimensions of the group. I want to make the next 3 buttons visible without changing the dimensions or location of the group. How? Essentially, I want to horizontally "scroll" within the group's "window". Thanks, Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
set cursor
Can't do any cursor control on 2.7.1 (Mac 10.4.6) on mouseMove x, y set the cursor to watch #doesn't do anything #really want to set the cursor to the double i-beam though, but can't compile this line set the cursor to (the id of img "vdividecursorgif" of stack "revMacCursors") end mousMove any tips appreciated. --russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Send Keys
Well, AppleScript syntax blows and figuring out the syntax needed to reference an object in an unknown object hierarchy blows even harder. UI browser will show you the object hierarchy and also generate a reference to the object in Applescript, saving you a lot of grief. It won't be that helpful though if you're trying to script an application that is both not applescriptable and was not programmed to register it's objects through the normal channels. I had to write a PHP script once that called an Applescript that had to punch a user name and password into a crusty old application after opening it. In the end I just figured out the coordinates of the text field and then used extrasuites to go to that location and start typing. Worked great. I thought extra suites was pretty cool. You should be able to do whatever you need to do even with a recalcitrant target application because you can use the finder to start the app, and then brute force your way to domination of the application using the virtual keyboard and mouse controls. What are you doing exactly? Best, russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 On May 11, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Todd Geist wrote: Hi Russ On May 11, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Russ McBride wrote: I've been able to send keystrokes into just about any field using a combination of the David Lloyd's "Extra Suites" http://osaxen.com/files/extrasuites1.1.html This is basically what I am doing... but it is not fun :>) and Prefab's UI Browser (to help you figure out what object you are trying to control) http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/ Apple has a similar tool for UI browsing but as I recall this worked a bit better. I use this to, but I am curious what value does UI Browser have to Extra Suites? I have UI browser and it works great for the GUI scripting, but Extra Suite has it's own method for identifying things doesn't it? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Send Keys
I've been able to send keystrokes into just about any field using a combination of the David Lloyd's "Extra Suites" http://osaxen.com/files/extrasuites1.1.html and Prefab's UI Browser (to help you figure out what object you are trying to control) http://www.prefab.com/uibrowser/ Apple has a similar tool for UI browsing but as I recall this worked a bit better. In cases where there is no object that's registering itself with through the usual Objective-C mechanisms you can always just hard code in a location and then begin to insert text. Of course the object (text field, e.g.) must actually be at the location for it to work. 1. Don't forget to put the osax library in the right location (I think it's /System/Library/ScriptingAdditions/). 2. Play with the osax commands in a regular applescript editor until you know what's going on 3. Get your working applescript working inside a runrev stack 4. Enjoy life Hope that helps, Russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 On May 11, 2006, at 7:35 AM, Todd Geist wrote: Thanks Rob But I wasn't very clear. I need to send key stroke from Rev to another app. Both "type" and "click" only work within the current Rev stack. I really need this QuickKeys like functionality. Unfortunately I have been unable to get GUI scripting on OSX to do what I need either. It is very frustrating :<( Todd On May 11, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Hi Todd, Any one know of a way to send keystrokes from Rev. Check out the Type command. -- Todd Geist __ g e i s t i n t e r a c t i v e ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
table fields
I started playing with table fields with the plan of building a db interface with them and I'm wondering if there are people out there who are actually able to rely on table fields in a production environment. I've gleaned a few tidbits from sifting through old emails and looking at Eric Chatonet's example. A few basic questions: 0- Are table fields stable enough on all platforms to use reliably? 1- Are there some secret docs somewhere? 2- How do I get the cRevTable properties? 3- How do I format text in any given cell? 4- How do I get a selected cell to hilite only within the cell and not into 50% of its vertical neighbors? thanks, russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Sort-of OT: Learning Python
Hey Geoff, Thanks for the link. I always appreciate those kinds of posts. I don't think I've heard a whole lot of great things about wxWidgets. As a sidenote-- a lot of people who've used Python have moved to Ruby and a lot of people who've been stuck using Java have fallen in love with Ruby (me included). Simple, powerful, clean syntax, great development community. Truly a joy to program in. My (long-term) goal is to be able to mix Transcript and Ruby in my runrev apps. If anyone has any ideas or pointers about writing an external to do this I'm keenly interested! Cheers, russ On May 4, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: Those of you who know me know that I am always fascinated by different programming languages. I've programmed in more than a few, but read up on dozens. Lately I've been taking a stab at Python. I'm keeping track of progress at http://learningpython.wordpress.com/ So far it's mostly gripes and rants ;-) The reason I say sort-of off topic is that I'm making no secret of the fact that I come from a Revolution background. The latest post compares the out-of-the-box experience between Rev and a Python IDE. In Rev, installation and building a standalone application takes 16 steps, including retrieving and entering the demo license code. In Python, after 10 steps I have downloaded nothing, installed nothing, and built nothing, have gone down a blind alley or two, and have more questions than I started with. When I get past the install and start describing actually programming in Python, it should be better. In any case, feel free to have a look and post feedback, even if it's just to point out where I went wrong in the Python install process ;-) regards, Geoff ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
databases [was: Re: Ruby Active Record]
Yeah, it seems crazy these days to actually have to *pay* for a database. But there are reasons why people still make decisions that allow Larry Ellison to by another small island in the Caribbean (and why people would pay $$ for FrontBase). We use it as an excellent fit for our WebObjects applications. And in the past MySQL has been quite problematic for any kind of applications that require a lot of updating rather than lots of simple reads (as you get in web apps). FrontBase is also completely SQL92 compliant which is rare. Anyway, I don't want to get into the usual database wars here, nor is it the place. I've been happy with FrontBase, PostgreSQL, MySQL, and others. It was, though, quite nice to see a fairly small db vendor provide runrev support. Cheers, Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Thanks, Ken. FOund it. But at those prices, I think I"ll stay far, far away. Yikes. On 4/19/06, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/20/06 12:50 AM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't see any support there for Revolution. Is it hiding? Click the Downloads link in the toolbar, then scroll down -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, "Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought" From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Ruby Active Record
Has anyone out there made Ruby calls from Transcript? I like Ruby's Active Record for handling database interactions and I'm thinking about just using it across all my applications to mediate access to my databases for some internal app's (I'll be using either FrontBase, MySQL, or PostgreSQL). It would be nice to have a mediating layer like Apple's old Enterprise Objects Framework or Ruby's Active Record. The downside with using Ruby is that I've got to do a lot of Transcript<--->Ruby bridging both ways which may be a headache and/or slow. I know it will also require the additional step of installing Ruby and Active Record on any machine that needs to run my apps but I'm not too worried about that. Anyone have any feedback on blending Ruby into runrev? Cheers, russ P.S. Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention that FrontBase wrote a plug-in for runrev compatibility. Found it accidentally on their download page: http://www.frontbase.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/FrontBase ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution for enterprise SAP-style applications?
Thanks for the replies on the feasibility of this multi-headed monster that I'm building in Rev. Here are a few more questions: 1) It sounds like it's pretty easy to make external language calls (e.g., Java, Objective-C, Ruby) from Rev, correct? 2) How about building SOAP clients? 3) And more randomly, has anyone tied a report tool into Rev, something like Crystal Reports? Thanks, Russ Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution for enterprise SAP-style applications?
Hi, It's been a few years since I've used Revolution. We've got a messy set of systems here that keep the front end and back end of our store running and I'm exploring ideas for inexpensively consolidating and streamlining them to reduce complexity and redundancy. One possibility is rebuilding everything from the ground up in RR. I'm not sure that it can do it though. Basically, we need to rebuild nothing less than a "junior-SAP" system, a set of the following: --a point-of-sale system --an inventory management system --some custom apps that access remote web services --a content control system for web site data (simpler than Hemingway, e.g.) --some custom bookkeeping apps The goal would be to reduce our 4 overlapping databases down to one so it means that these apps would be heavily database-centric, probably built on FrontBase, PostgreSQL, or MySQL. And I would need to easily tie in some Objective-C code and Java code (and ideally some Ruby code) when necessary. The web content system would have to feed into some flat files for the WebDNA web app system we're using until we get around to rebuilding our WebDNA/WebObjects composite system. At one point Geoff Canyon made it sound like RealBasic might be better for database-intensive applications. Unfortunately our environment at the University here requires custom applications, but we don't have the $$ for an actual SAP-style setup. Having used RR for some apps quite awhile ago my first impression is that it might be perfect, er--the only possible candidate--for rapidly building an inexpensive, but comprehensive set of apps. My other choices would be RealBasic (more code, but maybe a more desirable language), Cocoa (but this wouldn't be truly rapid--at least not for me), Ruby on Rails (but I don't want web interfaces), WebObjects (ditto), or Cocoa-Ruby (interesting, but limited to Mac), or Ruby + TK (unstable GUI system). What do you think? Any tips, anecdotes, or suggestions appreciated. Thanks very much, Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst, PhD Cadidate The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution for enterprise SAP-style applications?
Hi, It's been a few years since I've used Revolution. We've got a messy set of systems here that keep the front end and back end of our store running and I'm exploring ideas for inexpensively consolidating and streamlining them to reduce complexity and redundancy. One possibility is rebuilding everything from the ground up in RR. I'm not sure that it can do it though. Basically, we need to rebuild nothing less than a "junior-SAP" system, a set of the following: --a point-of-sale system --an inventory management system --some custom apps that access remote web services --a content control system for web site data (simpler than Hemingway, e.g.) --some custom bookkeeping apps The goal would be to reduce our 4 overlapping databases down to one so it means that these apps would be heavily database-centric, probably built on FrontBase, PostgreSQL, or MySQL. And I would need to easily tie in some Objective-C code and Java code (and ideally some Ruby code) when necessary. The web content system would have to feed into some flat files for the WebDNA web app system we're using until we get around to rebuilding our WebDNA/WebObjects composite system. At one point Geoff Canyon made it sound like RealBasic might be better for database-intensive applications. Unfortunately our environment at the University here requires custom applications, but we don't have the $$ for an actual SAP-style setup. Having used RR for some apps quite awhile ago my first impression is that it might be perfect, er--the only possible candidate--for rapidly building an inexpensive, but comprehensive set of apps. My other choices would be RealBasic (more code, but maybe a more desirable language), Cocoa (but this wouldn't be truly rapid--at least not for me), Ruby on Rails (but I don't want web interfaces), WebObjects (ditto), or Cocoa-Ruby (interesting, but limited to Mac), or Ruby + TK (unstable GUI system). What do you think? Any tips, anecdotes, or suggestions appreciated. Thanks very much, Russ McBride Programmer/Analyst, PhD Cadidate The Scholar's Workstation University of California at Berkeley 510-643-6853 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
