Re: [OT] Not just because
Heh.
I'd be happy to find simple calendar popups.
On 5/14/09 5:01 AM, Luis l...@anachreon.co.uk wrote:
Your mention of 3rd party support triggered a thought: What would it
take to create a Rev plugin ('connector') to handle foreign language
libraries?
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Re: [OT] Politics and Programming
LOL LOL LOL. -Stephen cox On 5/13/09 10:09 AM, Kay C Lan lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Every decision we, as programmers, make has some sort of political impact, and as such, needs to be thought about very carefully. Every decision? Like the choice of my background colour is going to have any political connotation, who cares if it's red or blue. Ah then again, bad example, what about green. No, seems like I'm jumping on the eco bandwagon. Pink? No sexual orientation might be misconstrued. OK I'll just go with boring old white. Ooops just lost the black and the youth vote. OK so its., I don't know ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Politics and Programming
No it's laziness. Windows is like 90% of the market. It's a pretty safe bet that your customer will be running Windows. So companies IT departments were lazy and wrote for IE only. Stupid, I know. It's the is the old way of thinking. And it's changed. With phones, the mac, and netbooks (running linux) on the rise companies are scrambling to represent. Frankly any company that was stupid enough to develop for IE only deserves what they get. The Bank of Scotland should lose your business. On 5/13/09 10:29 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Now these may not be 'Political' in the sense of politics, but they are political insofar as they affect other people, marketing and so on. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Website
Take a look at Squarespace @ http://www.squarespace.com/ Starts at 8 dollars a month. It's a kick ass service. Has the best CSS implementation I've ever seen. You design your whole site at their site by moving pieces around the sreen. And it's all done in a browser. It's also compatible with everything. So there is no data lock with these guys. I've turned lot on to them and not heard a bad thing yet. Free usually means crap. Every free service I've seen either has ads, forces you to add a link-farm page, or has such low/slow designed to get you to pay for better. Not worth the trouble when you can get something like Squarespace for so little. On 5/13/09 2:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Have finally transferred my website here: http://richmond.b0x.com/ for what its worth. For people with a lot of free time on their hands there is a link to my 1995 Master's Thesis in Cognitive Linguistics. AND, for the record, you should be able to download the file without joining the Yahoo group where it is stored. I will try to reset all my Yahoo groups so that resources can be downloaded in this way. At least in this way I can circumvent the old versu new revOnline problem until I am the owner of a version of RR that can access the new version. HOWEVER, that is not the point of this posting. I was recommended a number of websites by members of this Use-list - for which, a big Thank You! I am, confined to a free website, however. The most interesting suggestion was: http://www.tripod.lycos.com/ when one clicks on the FREE option one is directed to a page that just states this: 402 Payment Required This service requires payment, contact the server administrator to make arranements for payment and have the service provisioned. You will need to provide the following information: Your full name Your email address Contact Telephone number Click your browser's back button to locate help for this service. I have trawled through a further 20 services that are supposedly free, but, somewhere along the line they ask for your Credit/Debit card details. The free web-hosting I have ended up with haven't tried any financial trick on me, yet; but FREE is as FREE does; no ZIP files and no PDF files. I am prepared to put up with those restrictions for the ease and price of a free website. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Not just because
Why not a few examples of languages that you can also use to write off line apps too. Like Python or Ruby? Both are used on the web (Rails, Django, Zope, Merb - to name a few). And both are used to write cross platform apps, even gui's using something like Qt. Also Java. And Realbasic has Yuma. Not to mention all the .Net solutions. And Silverlight and Flex (though I hate, HATE Action Script 3.0). What makes OnRev unique is the language. Nothing else really. In fact considering the amount of 3rd party support for Ruby, Python and .Net you are at a disadvantage using OnRev. Being that you have to reinvent the wheel. Course this is true with off line apps as well. I like Revolution but it has a VERY small 3rd party plug-in community. And a backward UI, compared to the rest. What's kept it on my machine so far is the language. In fact we just bought another copy. On 5/13/09 12:27 PM, Luis l...@anachreon.co.uk wrote: Hiya, I didn't like PHP when I first went into it, plus some host apply restrictions to what functions you can call. Cheers, Luis. On 13 May 2009, at 16:53, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Luis, If you're in a need for an alternative, what's wrong with PHP (which isn't an alternative at all but rather the mainstream tool for server-side scripting)? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1 Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 13 mei 2009, at 17:14, Luis wrote: Seeing as it seems to be OT season, and I work in the office of stirring things up: http://runbasic.com/ http://runbasicnet.com/ http://www.runbasic.com/seaside/go/runbasic? _s=hDedgqXdSCYDuTMh_k=nFUdiyqV Actually, I was looking into comparable options to On-Rev to see where the advantages/disadvantages would be, and I came across this Smalltalk based option. Other than LISP based systems that only have a partial features set, this is all I can find that is 'similar'. We've gone through Tilestack, wondering if anyone has seen RunBASIC. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cancel a repeat with a button
Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have the cancel button set the variable to True when pressed. On 5/13/09 10:01 AM, Ludovic Thébault ludovic.theba...@laposte.net wrote: Hello, How interrupt a repeat loop by a button ? While a copy of a lot of files with rev, i want the user can cancel the copy. repeat for each line l in it if char 1 of l . then put convertpath(tstack/l) into tpath1 put convertpath(tlibrary/) into tpath2 get shell(cp tpath1tpath2) end if end repeat Thanks. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cancel a repeat with a button
Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while to complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background. User presses cancel button, setting the global variable to True In the loop, last statement checks the variable (it's global so the code will see it). If True, exit (or whatever cleanup he has, then exit). On 5/13/09 11:08 PM, Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Stephen Cox wrote: Why not just set a global variable and check it in the loop? Have the cancel button set the variable to True when pressed. You would be in a tight repeat loop at the time, so would mouseups on other objects even work? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Cancel a repeat with a button
I was close. ;) I knew about the wait command. On 5/14/09 12:31 AM, Scott Rossi sc...@tactilemedia.com wrote: Recently, Stephen Cox wrote: Why not? You checking a global variable. He said it would take a while to complete. And I'm assuming he's running the loop in the background. Revolution doesn't process events asynchronously. During a straightforward repeat loop, nothing gets processed or sent while the loop executes, so a mouseclick would never be detected. You need to make allowances in the script for this to happen. There are a few ways this could be done: You could poll the mouse: if the mouse is down This practice has been discouraged in the past because it was deemed in efficient and somewhat unreliable, but with recent versions of Rev and newer machines, it can work. You could add a wait command: wait 10 millisecs with messages. The with messages portion allows messages and events to be processed in between the loops. Here's where a global, custom property, or other variable could be checked. Another way entirely to run a loop is using send in...: on myProcessingLoop doMyStuff send myProcessingLoop to me in 10 millisecs end myProcessingLoop This method inherently allows for other events/messages to be processed. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek | Networkx | networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Example revolution apps?
Is ScreenSteps by Blue Mango written in Revolution? -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Example revolution apps?
That's encouraging. Learning Revolution, I've been frustrated with the design tools. But as long as I know things are possible I'm not worried. Thanks. On 5/12/09 5:08 AM, kl...@major.on-rev.com kl...@major.on-rev.com wrote: Hi Stephen, Is ScreenSteps by Blue Mango written in Revolution? Yes :-) -Stephen Cox Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major.on-rev.com kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Details on how to apps mac like?
Hi, So far the only application I¹ve found written in revolution that looks like a native Mac app is ScreenSteps. Granted, I haven¹t looked long. :) Anyway my questions: How¹d they created the icon bar? And I mean the area right below the title bar of the window? I¹ve been busting my head playing with rectangles, but no. And I assume the blue area on the left is also a rectangle with a background? The problem I am having is I can create the areas and background color easy enough. Placement is my problem. No mater how close I get my icon bar to the windows title bar, the card¹s background bleeds in. Almost like there¹s cell padding going on. I¹m modeling my app against the Mac Dictionary Application. Trying to simulate a large title/tool bar (the app is a database front end for internal use). Thanks, Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Details on how to apps mac like?
Thanks. I got it worked out. And thanks about the margin.. Didn't know that. Actually you can do some pretty nice interfaces with this. ;) On 5/12/09 2:38 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Stephen Cox wrote: No mater how close I get my icon bar to the windows title bar, the card¹s background bleeds in. Almost like there¹s cell padding going on. I'm not clear what you're seeing here, but a couple of thoughts: if you are using a group for your toolbar, note that groups have a margin property. Try setting the group's margins to zero. Also make sure the group itself is opaque so the background card color doesn't show through. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] GIMP paint studio
Does the Gimp still require xwindows to run on the mac? Or did someone finally port it to run natively? On 5/11/09 3:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Those of you who cannot afford Photoshop, have 'funny feelings' about proprietary software, don't do either Macintosh or Windows, can afford Photoshop but would rather spend the money on Runtime Revolution :) (err, why would you spend an awful lot of money on something when there is something just as good available for FREE? Much more sensible to spend it on something that is extremely good and is not available for FREE . . . Runtime Revolution) might well give this a look: http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/gim-paint-studio-gimp-optimized-for.html It presupposes you already have GIMP installed: http://www.gimp.org/ It is poly-platform! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Mac icons
I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa Carbon is being dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can buy, for Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Agreed. Now must I send bribes to end this debate? On 5/10/09 2:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: God may forgive you, but the rest of us will . . . love you and cherish you for initiating a useful and stimulating discussion! And, the moral of the story is: you can be bl**dy-minded like me, or you can be bl**dy-minded like somebody else, or (what a luxury) you can be bl**dy-minded in you own way. To my mind, the 'tolerance' of Runtime Revolution is what makes it so much more accessible than most other programming environments. Stephen Cox wrote: Well.. God.. Sorry all for starting this. :) Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head. On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits. We have all become accustomed to protecting ourselves from ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best insurance against having anything happen is an alert and active mind. Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity. The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education Joe Wilkins On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote: Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... g 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or type variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place. I seriously take issue with that being the main strength of xtalk. 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about. Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand. None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that explicitVars might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and throws an error. Back to today's response: The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I don't get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a typist as your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;) puts on a SNL snarl ...Jacque, you ignorant slut... returns to reality You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a variable name when the friendly compiler would helpfully generate a new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help when your fingers forget to place a space after the and instead of the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty. I once took over a project from someone who used explicit variables. I stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were all kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space. I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right to strip them out g. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit
Re: Mac icons
Much thanks. I got the dev tools installed. On 5/10/09 2:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: If you have the Development tools installed there is a 'Icon Composer' program lurking there (in the Utilities folder); drag your RR images there and they will be 'magically' made into icons for you. Alternatively, just use a PNG image. :) Stephen Cox wrote: I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa Carbon is being dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can buy, for Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac icons
Thanks. -Stephen COx On 5/10/09 6:19 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Dear Stephen, Do you want to create an icon to display on your standalone application package in the Finder, or are you looking for pictures that you can use as icons in your interface? You can use Icon Composer to create icons from almost any picture. Icon composer creates icns files, which you can use in the standalone settings of Revolution. There are several sources where you can download interface icons. Here are a few sources: http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/icons/ http://fasticon.com/freeware/ http://www.iconshock.com/vista-icons.php http://www.cubeyellow.com/downloads.html http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/ I created an unsophisticated set of small icons, which you can find here: http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1 Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 10 mei 2009, at 08:20, Stephen Cox wrote: I was wondering what icons ya use for your projects (on Mac)? Looks like Revolution uses Carbon (when are they moving to Cocoa Carbon is being dropped VERY soon). Has anyone used the Cocoa icons? Or is there a set I can buy, for Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
Wait. I don't get this. You saying that checking if an unused variable is empty returns false? Does revolution put some data in a variable when created? On 5/9/09 2:44 AM, Martin Blackman martinblack...@gmail.com wrote: There is a gotcha to be aware of here. Checking if a previously unused variable is empty returns false. That has caught me out a few times. I wonder why the answer is false. I think the engine interprets the variable as a string instead, in the same way that 'answer hello' without quotes around hello works. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So... Local temp Put 1234 into temp Put 1234 into kemp The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to force you to declare all variables before use? -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Humm I just compiled this and get nothing. On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Stephen- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:39:27 AM, you wrote: I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So... Local temp Put 1234 into temp Put 1234 into kemp The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to force you to declare all variables before use? I get compilation error at line 5 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near kemp, char 15 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Ok I just created a new stack and put: local temp put 1234 into temp put 1234 into kemp And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is Strict Compilation Mode in the Script Editor section the only option that has to be enabled? On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Stephen- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:39:27 AM, you wrote: I've run across something. Even with Strict Compilation Mode on the compiler doesn't throw out an error if it sees some undeclared variables. So... Local temp Put 1234 into temp Put 1234 into kemp The compiles misses this completely. Of course it works cause you can create variables on the fly. But isn't the point of Strict Compilation Mode to force you to declare all variables before use? I get compilation error at line 5 (Chunk: can't create a variable with that name (explicitVariables?)) near kemp, char 15 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
By the way, off topic a bit: Wouldn't I am be the same as I am? ((notice the space after I in the second example)). On 5/9/09 12:57 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Stephen Cox wrote: Wait. I don't get this. You saying that checking if an unused variable is empty returns false? Does revolution put some data in a variable when created? Sort of, but only in specific cases, which is mostly a side-effect of how friendly Rev's interpreter is and how it deals with strings. (The discussion about quoted field names shows how flexible Rev is with strings.) If a variable is not specifically created with a value, the value of the variable is the variable's name itself. This creates a variable without assigning it any value: on mouseup put (var = empty) Var = var end mouseup You get: false var = var But this assigns a value and gives what you'd expect: on mouseUp put empty into var put (var = empty) Var = var end mouseUp Gives: true var = ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Force of habit. And there are many languages that require variable checking. And indeed typing. Like C, C++, C#, VB , Python, JS, AS, ST, Perl, and on and on. Anyway it's one of Revolution strengths not to requiring variable typing and creation. On 5/9/09 4:09 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Funny, I've never declared a variable in Runtime Revolution; I thought that was something that went out with PASCAL: even my BBC doesn't require me to that in BBC BASIC. I remember feeling 'odd' when I got my BBC (ah, all those years ago, out in the desert) that BBC BASIC didn't even need the LET statement anymore. May be this is a goofy question; but it can probably bear the asking one more time: What, if any, is the advantage of declaring variables in RR ? and, just to show you exactly how goofy I am: How do you declare variables in RR ? Mark Wieder wrote: Stephen- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 11:10:46 AM, you wrote: Ok I just created a new stack and put: local temp put 1234 into temp put 1234 into kemp And it compiles with no errors. Maybe I missed a checkbox someplace. Is Strict Compilation Mode in the Script Editor section the only option that has to be enabled? OK - I think I see what you're doing. If I just put that into a script then I can compile it with or without strict compilation mode. But then there's nothing to execute. I'm not really clear on what is getting compiled at that point. I think as far as the compiler is concerned there's no code to run, so there's nothing to compile. Try this: on mouseUp local temp put 1234 into temp put 1234 into kemp end mouseUp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why Rev needs a cookbook (newb questions)
Why not just comment - leave notes - in the online Dictionary? That be easy for all to di and help a lot. On 5/9/09 2:59 AM, Peter Alcibiades palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I said this before, but its why Rev needs a cookbook on the lines of Carla Schroder's great Linux Cookbook Steven Cox's queries illustrate the problem very clearly. Imagine a kitchen with lots of pots and pans and ingredients in it. It comes with a 400 page guide detailing the function of every one. We now have an intelligent Martian who has just been employed as a cook. His first assignment is spaghetti carbonara, or cassoulet. Where does he start? What he has is a superb kitchen manual. What he wants is a cookbook, with a systematic set of entries like this (from the Rev for C programmers page): To filter a handler so that it only responds to certain objects, rather than every object below it in the hierarchy, use the target function to determine which object originally received the message being handled. To create a code library, place the handlers you want to re-use in any object that¹s available in your a stack, then use the insert script command to add that object to the hierarchy. So what Steven is looking for is a cookbook with entries like to empty a field..to check for a variable.. to make elements in a list field clickable to change the mouse to a hand while hovering... Without this, learning becomes a Zen like experience. You know the story of the young man wanting to learn swordsmanship? He enrols with a master, and the first day when expecting to meet for a lesson, is astonished to be hit violently over the head with a stick. His master has sneaked up on him. As time goes by the attacks continue and become more and more devious. One day he is about to enter a room and something makes him pause. His master emerges from behind the door and bows deeply. Its OK but a recipe book is easier. Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie Question 5 of N
Actually I'm not so sure it even matters, considering this isn't a typed language. I was just surprised when I ran my first try at code and had errors at runtime. Almost every compiler I've used checked variables. Why I asked in the first place. On 5/9/09 5:24 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Writing as someone who, generally, learns from his errors, and trying to work out why they are error, this sounds as if it would not be a great advantage to me. Probably much more useful for somebody trying to belt out something with a very quick SDLC or turn-around. Mark Wieder wrote: Richmond- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 1:14:47 PM, you wrote: So; what is 'strict compilation', and why should we be interested? Strict compilation was formerly referred to as explictVars. Setting the checkbox *forces* you to declare all your variables or be faced with compile errors. The advantage is that it cuts down dramaticly on the number of bugs in one's coding. You can't, for example, mistakenly type and compile put the last chr of line x of field 3 or put thevariablenames into field 1 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Re: Newbie... Strict Compilation mode
Well.. God.. Sorry all for starting this. :) Use what you want. I'll keep it on cause I'm used to that type of environment. Used to declaring variables. And it's in my head. On 5/10/09 1:09 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Following this thread has pushed another one of my buttons and I cannot resist getting on my soap-box and inserting my two-bits. We have all become accustomed to protecting ourselves from ourselves. To the point where some of us pass laws requiring that everyone protect themselves. I'm talking about INSURANCE. The best insurance against having anything happen is an alert and active mind. Insurance merely puts us to sleep; allowing us to be less than vigilant and knowledgeable within all aspects of our lives. Not declaring vars merely promotes sloppiness and, eventually, stupidity. The President is going to spend enormous sums of money promoting Health Insurance, when the best insurance is almost free; preventive medicine which we have neglected for decades. We just need to be diligent about all things. Education, eduction, education Joe Wilkins On May 9, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Saturday, May 9, 2009, 6:01:53 PM, you wrote: Ah... I *knew* this would push Jacque's buttons... g 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or type variables. Sticking them up there at the top of every handler removes one of the main advantages of using Rev in the first place. I seriously take issue with that being the main strength of xtalk. 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about. Laziness is one of the big reasons I *do* declare my variables. If the compiler is smart enough to catch all kinds of errors for me, why should I go through all the debugging work at runtime? I believe in letting the computer do the hard work for me, otherwise I might as well just be coding the cpu's opcodes by hand. None of these things is outweighed for me by the fact that explicitVars might catch a few typos. The engine catches most of those anyway and throws an error. Back to today's response: The debugger pinpoints the exact source of the misspelling if it happens; how hard is that? I'm a pretty good typist though, so I don't get caught out too often. I suppose if you are really as bad a typist as your theoretical example, then yes, you'd want some help. ;) puts on a SNL snarl ...Jacque, you ignorant slut... returns to reality You're missing the point. The purpose of explicitVars is to catch things that slip by the compiler otherwise. If it's just a simple misspelling of a keyword the compiler will catch it anyway, as you pointed out. But explicitVars will let you know if you've mistyped a variable name when the friendly compiler would helpfully generate a new variable instead of using the one you intended. And it will help when your fingers forget to place a space after the and instead of the variableNames ending up in a variable you end up with empty. I once took over a project from someone who used explicit variables. I stripped out all the declarations so I could read the scripts comfortably. The stack size was cut in half (!). No lie. There were all kinds of handlers in there with something like 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script. Waste of time and space. I recognize hyperbole when I see it, but nonetheless I don't think you can have 8 lines of declarations and three lines of actual script (and of course someone will post some code that proves me wrong). If you come across a handler like this then you have at least five lines of declarations that are not being used. And then you're absolutely right to strip them out g. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Newbie question - how to check for a varible
Really two questions: How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like; If !empty(tUsername) // process here Endif Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is empty. I can¹t seem to find it¹s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this the wrong way? And can I check fields the same way? I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But is there an easier way? Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I¹d rather have the assurance of checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
Lol. Of course. I knew it would be easy. Thanks. For the life of me I could not find an example in the docs; the user guild or online. The messagebox? I hardly use it. Gets in the way mostly. I've been using it to look at global variables. I know you can run commands. But if you don't know the commands, it's no help. Or am I wrong about this? On 5/8/09 2:35 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Stephen, Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC, just use: if tUsername is empty then if tUsername exists then ... You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox? Joe Wilkins On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote: Really two questions: How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like; If !empty(tUsername) // process here Endif Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is empty. I can¹t seem to find it¹s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this the wrong way? And can I check fields the same way? I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But is there an easier way? Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I¹d rather have the assurance of checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
I did search for empty in the Online Dictionary. But all I got were property keywords. I also read the docs on put and answer and saw nothing about empty. Anyway know now, thanks. As for checking for existence of variables.. Just a habit I formed over years writing dbase and c. Always check the existence of a variable before you take any action on it. The compilers of today are more sophisticated so I'll probably wean my way off it. On 5/8/09 2:40 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi Stephen, Search the docs for empty. It will show you things like put empty into x set the cProp to empty So, you will also want to read up on put and set. There is also a function variableNames, which will probably be very useful to you. Why do you want to check for the existence of a variable? I do this very, very rarely and only in really advanced projects. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum New: Snapper Screen Recorder 2.0.1 Download at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com On 8 mei 2009, at 08:25, Stephen Cox wrote: Really two questions: How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like; If !empty(tUsername) // process here Endif Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is empty. I can¹t seem to find it¹s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this the wrong way? And can I check fields the same way? I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But is there an easier way? Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I¹d rather have the assurance of checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Newbie question - how to check for a varible
Ahhh! Exists was there. I was looking at it from the wrong end. Thanks. God I feel like I have to unlearn all my coding habits and thinking. On 5/8/09 2:47 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Stephen, I should have checked. Check exists in the dictionary for the rev syntax. Not quite as straightforward or easy as with HC. Sorry, Joe Wilkins On May 7, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: Stephen, Without even checking, since it's the way it would be done in HC, just use: if tUsername is empty then if tUsername exists then ... You were already there. Didn't you check these out in the messagebox? Joe Wilkins On May 7, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Stephen Cox wrote: Really two questions: How do I check if a variable is empty? Sort of like; If !empty(tUsername) // process here Endif Empty() is a Foxpro function that pops if what you are checking is empty. I can¹t seem to find it¹s equivalent in revolution. Am I approaching this the wrong way? And can I check fields the same way? I suppose I could create an empty variable and just compare the 2? But is there an easier way? Next question; checking the existence of a variable? Now I know I can turn on Strict Compilation (and I have) but I¹d rather have the assurance of checking to see if a variable exist? Is this a non-issue in Revolution? Thanks -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
Don¹t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the docs. But this language is so different then what I am used to it¹s hard to phrase searches correctly. Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text Field. I wanna offer a clear button. I¹ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk command. But no luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of the Text Field. And still no. Someone mind pointing me in the right direction? Much thanks, -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
If you only have 1 stack do you have to include the stack ID? On 5/8/09 5:48 AM, stephen barncard stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com wrote: put empty into fld x of stack b - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/5/8 Stephen Cox step...@networkxfla.com Don¹t hate me for asking another nub question. ;) I am reading the docs. But this language is so different then what I am used to it¹s hard to phrase searches correctly. Ok, so how do I clear the contents of a field? Namely a text Field. I wanna offer a clear button. I¹ve been trying various forms of the Delete [Clear} Chunk command. But no luck so far. Then I thought maybe it was related to a property of the Text Field. And still no. Someone mind pointing me in the right direction? Much thanks, -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
Heh. You know I tried that. But didn't use quotes. So I assume when referring to objects on cards you have to use quotes? On 5/8/09 5:54 AM, Phil Jimmieson p...@liverpool.ac.uk wrote: put empty into field yourfieldname ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
And you just answered another question I was about to scan the Dictionary for. Thanks. -Stephen Cox On 5/8/09 3:25 PM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: set cursor to none ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
The biggest problem I am having is figuring out what to search for. The language is so unique. So take my question about emptying a field. Be easy in an OOP language: empty(Text_field.text) - or something to that effect. So I would search on empty and get tons of info on the function and various examples.. AND user comments. Now in Revolution it's also easy but completely different then any of language. So I search the Dictionary on empty, got nothing; then Text Entry Field, got nothing; then asked here. I'm not harping on Revolution. I like it. It's just different from anything else on the market. So a FAQ that shows JAVA or C syntax alongside Revolution would be a god-send. Just some common functions and procedures. The manual is good, but has no reference to other languages. It would help get my head out of OOP into Revolution. On 5/8/09 3:54 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins pepe...@cox.net wrote: Hey Jacque, Has no one ever put together an FAQ for Rev newbies? I realize that could be a pretty horrendous effort, but should be useful and doable. Joe Wilkins On May 8, 2009, at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Yeah, well, since you're new, *you* have to write set the cursor to none. The rest of us will continue to use our bad habits. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com Joe Lewis Wilkins Architect Director of Product Development for GSI 760-738-1721 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Newbie question - Set the cursor to....
I¹m gonna preface [the subject] all my questions with ³Newbie² so those who have no interest in nubs can move on. Trust, I know it can be painful. ;) I got a card. With a label or button. I want to change the cursor of the mouse to a hand then back to arrow when the user moves on/off the object. on mouseEnter set the cursor to hand end mouseEnter on mouseLeave set the cursor to arrow end mouseLeave The above should work? Or am I missing something about the cursor command? I placed a breakpoint and followed the code. It fires, just doesn¹t change the cursor. Maybe I¹m using mouseEnter/mouseLeave incorrectly? Thanks for any info. -Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
Bookmarked. In fact, let me spend some time going over it now. Might have to waste less of your time on this list. Thanks. -Stephen Cox On 5/8/09 4:30 PM, Devin Asay devin_a...@byu.edu wrote: Welcome, Stephen. shameless plug I teach Revolution classes for complete novices, and I have my tutorials online at http://revolution.byu.edu Even though you're an experienced programmer, you might find some of the tutorials useful, especially the ones on the Revolution scripting language, because I describe how basic concepts in the language work-- things like variables, literals, if-then, and loops. There's another link for Scripting Language Examples, that just shows examples of various statements. /shameless plug ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another newb question - How to you clear a field?
By the way, I got the printed user guide. Now this guide is one of the best tech books I've seen. Thank you Revolution for using a font I can actually read without using a magnifier. -Stephen Cox On 5/8/09 5:00 PM, Richmond Mathewson richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Coupled with the PDF file that comes with RR, ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: WOW Scott Rossi!
Add my praise to this chorus. I can't believe some of the things you've down with Revolution. Amazing. Thanks. -Stephen Cox On 5/7/09 4:56 PM, viktoras d. vikto...@ekoinf.net wrote: Thanks Scott, extremely useful information and well done! Best regards Viktoras Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Jim Bufalini wrote: GREAT article and demo stack in the latest revUP! Fantastic work, Scott. :-) Thanks -- hope you found something of use in there. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Question about On Rev
Hi, Can¹t find some information. Hoping those of you involved will be able to answer. 1. Can I install Rev on my own servers? 2. If so, what servers are supported (Apache, IIS, etc, etc) 3. How much? And what are the license terms? Thanks, Stephen Cox ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RapidWeaver
Drupal has gotten easy to learn. There is also very good training available at Lullabot (http://www.lullabot.com/). Drupal is easy to install and maintain. Knowing PHP isn't required but is a major plus (for WordPress too). Lullabot is all about learning Drupal. WordPress can't compare to Drupal. I'm not bashing WordPress. I use it. I use Drupal too. But comparing WordPress to Drupal is like comparing c++ to html. MTV, HBO. Amnesty International, Goldman Sacs run on Drupal. Actually, there's a mod for Drupal that runs WordPress, in Drupal. :) All this said, if all you want is a quick site then Drupal is way over kill. Use WordPress. It's very good for what it does. Also take a look at Squarespace at squarespace.com. Squarespace allows anyone to create a website. It's that simple (It has one of the best CSS implementations I've ever seen). You can literately build your site (design, color - even fonts) all online. With WordPress, you either use a template or roll up your sleeves and modify the template (not that hard - but if you don't want to write any code, there you are). I can't say enough good things about Squarespace. And no, I don't work for them. But I turned my mother's church onto them. On 4/19/09 2:28 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@chipp.com wrote: WordPress is much simpler to use than Drupal, and there are many who have used it as a CMS to build commercial websites. Of course it's not as all-encompassing nor as hard to learn as Drupal, but you can put up a website in minutes. Try Googling WordPress and CMS ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek of NetworkX 954.537.2692 or 888.564.5223 step...@networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RapidWeaver
WordPress is a PHP blogging system. Has a template system for site design. It's well used and respected. And there are many plug-ins. It's open source. Drupal is a PHP framework. You can create any kind of website with it really. It's referred to as a 'CMS' framework because of huge 3rd party plug-in support. Drupal is used as a backend to everything from blogs to corporate websites. Drupal is also open source. If you needed to create a non-blog site then take a look at Drupal. Keep in mind there are many web frameworks: like ruby on rails. Django (python), Seaside (Smalltalk), Zope (python), CAKE (PHP)- and many more. You can probably find a web framework written in whatever language you want. And soon, Transcript will probably be added to the list. ;) On 4/19/09 12:00 AM, Colin Holgate co...@rcn.com wrote: On Apr 18, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I might suggest people interested in creating their own websites, check out WordPress. Free, very easy to use and installs automatically on your On-Rev server account It took a couple of minutes of research to figure out that to install WordPress on on-rev you would use Fantastico. In the Fantastico page it lists WordPress as being a blog, so is it up to be a complete site management? Might Drupal be a better choice? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Stephen Cox Chief geek of NetworkX 954.537.2692 or 888.564.5223 step...@networkxfla.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
