Re: [OT] 37signals book on web app development.
Joe & Andre, I understand your point, although I wonder how many of these MBAs will ever read that kind of book, and how many of them will follow any of the advices it contains, because they're completely brain-locked... Hence the double meaning of my question : do we really need that kind of advice ? 1- because we, as programmers and/or ppl working in small structures know those advices and follow them for years 2- because "bean counters" will never take the time and energy to have a look at it... JB > JB, I have to agree with Andre. We have so many MBAs and bean > counters controlling what is being done at the highest levels, mostly > with very little in the world practical knowledge/experience that > they need to be shown/told how to get out of the "book learning" and > into the Real world. What else can you expect with a real idiot > running the U.S.A. at the VERY highest level. I thought most of the > advice was well conceived; although I already practice it myself - in > my real world. > > Joe Wilkins ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] 37signals book on web app development.
JB, I have to agree with Andre. We have so many MBAs and bean counters controlling what is being done at the highest levels, mostly with very little in the world practical knowledge/experience that they need to be shown/told how to get out of the "book learning" and into the Real world. What else can you expect with a real idiot running the U.S.A. at the VERY highest level. I thought most of the advice was well conceived; although I already practice it myself - in my real world. Joe Wilkins On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: JB, at least here in Brazil, we need those advises in big, bold, marquee-sized, letters! I've seen junior companies on my university conduct five or more meetings during a week window without no pratical application... common sense, is never, enough! ;-) PS: right now, I am struggling with javascript. On Jan 15, 2007, at 7:40 PM, jbv wrote: Hi Andre, Do we really need such advices as "Don't have meetings" or "Design the interface before you start programming" or even "Build something you can manage" ? I thought these things were known for years if not decades (except by Microserfs perhaps)... JB Folks, many here are wanting to join the web app bandwagon. I suggest reading the "Getting real" book by 37signals which is by far the most successful start-up enterprise in this camp today. They out of nowhere created or provided the means for creation of: Ruby on Rails, prototype library, scriptaculous, basecamp, backpack and others. very good reading http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] 37signals book on web app development.
JB, at least here in Brazil, we need those advises in big, bold, marquee- sized, letters! I've seen junior companies on my university conduct five or more meetings during a week window without no pratical application... common sense, is never, enough! ;-) PS: right now, I am struggling with javascript. On Jan 15, 2007, at 7:40 PM, jbv wrote: Hi Andre, Do we really need such advices as "Don't have meetings" or "Design the interface before you start programming" or even "Build something you can manage" ? I thought these things were known for years if not decades (except by Microserfs perhaps)... JB Folks, many here are wanting to join the web app bandwagon. I suggest reading the "Getting real" book by 37signals which is by far the most successful start-up enterprise in this camp today. They out of nowhere created or provided the means for creation of: Ruby on Rails, prototype library, scriptaculous, basecamp, backpack and others. very good reading http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] 37signals book on web app development.
Hi Andre, Do we really need such advices as "Don't have meetings" or "Design the interface before you start programming" or even "Build something you can manage" ? I thought these things were known for years if not decades (except by Microserfs perhaps)... JB > Folks, > > many here are wanting to join the web app bandwagon. I suggest > reading the "Getting real" book by 37signals which is by far the most > successful start-up enterprise in this camp today. They out of > nowhere created or provided the means for creation of: Ruby on Rails, > prototype library, scriptaculous, basecamp, backpack and others. > > very good reading > > http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php > > Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] 37signals book on web app development.
Folks, many here are wanting to join the web app bandwagon. I suggest reading the "Getting real" book by 37signals which is by far the most successful start-up enterprise in this camp today. They out of nowhere created or provided the means for creation of: Ruby on Rails, prototype library, scriptaculous, basecamp, backpack and others. very good reading http://gettingreal.37signals.com/toc.php Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
