Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Kay C Lan
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Chipp Walters ch...@altuit.com wrote:

 Interesting. Very interesting.

 Richard, how long do you suppose until Apple bans web apps for the
 iPhone/iPad AppStore unless they are only made with their new tool?


 Probably shortly after they make it illegal to lend your MacBook to your
mother/brother etc. Oh wait, he's already done that:

5. NO RENTAL/COMMERCIAL HOSTING. You may not rent, lease, lend or provide
commercial hosting services with the Software.

So maybe shortly after they make it impossible for you to sell your iMac on
eBay. Oh wait, he's already done that:

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different
Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the
Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The
initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this
EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no
copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software
(including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any
upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity).
The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior
to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the
EULA terms.

Note that if you were to sell your iMac on eBay and you had ANY back-up
copies of your hard drive you'd be in direct breach of this clause.

Oh, wait a minute, I'm sorry, I got the wrong EULA out, this is the Bill
Gates EULA but I'm sure the Steve Jobs one says the same thing.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/eula/home.mspx

Interesting what the fine print says.
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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 08/05/2010 07:32, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/07/apple_developing_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html 



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Is that Glandula as in glandular, or something vaguely
Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen
an unwise name.
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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:25:41 AM, you wrote:

 Is that Glandula as in glandular, or something vaguely
 Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen
 an unwise name.

If you follow up and look at the link you'll see in the fourth
sentence that Gianduia is named after an Italian hazelnut chocolate.
I think it's an overly pretentious attempt to come up with more
spinoffs from the Cocoa name, but there you go. Whether it's a wise
choice of not isn't my call. Maybe their lawyers are gearing up for
another trademark lawsuit.

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Josh Mellicker

Is that Glandula as in glandular, or something vaguely
Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen
an unwise name.


Apple sometimes gives different departments different names or code  
names so they can trace leaks.

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Neal Campbell
I suspect that just as Jerry chose Rodeo for his new service, name picking
is done by the people coming up with the design and choose what they like. I
know in the 90's when I was in charge of a global technology call center, I
went to Apple for a best practice visit and they had named their meeting
rooms after sushi. You could cynically say How pretentious but the
employees smiled every time they mentioned a room so they enjoyed it.

Just look at the Intel chip names, obviously someone loves those location
names that none of us find amusing or even memorable!

Brs


Neal
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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 09/05/2010 20:18, Josh Mellicker wrote:

Is that Glandula as in glandular, or something vaguely
Italian? Because if it is the former they seem to have chosen
an unwise name.


Apple sometimes gives different departments different names or code 
names so they can trace leaks.


Leaks of what?  Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe 
I'm getting out of date.

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 09/05/2010 20:25, Neal Campbell wrote:

I suspect that just as Jerry chose Rodeo for his new service, name picking
is done by the people coming up with the design and choose what they like. I
know in the 90's when I was in charge of a global technology call center, I
went to Apple for a best practice visit and they had named their meeting
rooms after sushi. You could cynically say How pretentious but the
employees smiled every time they mentioned a room so they enjoyed it.

Just look at the Intel chip names, obviously someone loves those location
names that none of us find amusing or even memorable!



I think I prefer location to lactation; maybe it's a side affect of
Steve Jobs' veganism.  Of course it could be something linked
with, say, the thyroid gland; but that doesn't make me feel very
comfy either.
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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond-

Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:46:49 AM, you wrote:

 Leaks of what?  Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe
 I'm getting out of date.

I'm fairly sure my Windows computers have bile glands.

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson

 On 09/05/2010 20:55, Mark Wieder wrote:

Richmond-

Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:46:49 AM, you wrote:


Leaks of what?  Last time I looked computers don't have glands; maybe
I'm getting out of date.

I'm fairly sure my Windows computers have bile glands.



Oh, Gosh, here I am back at my computer after 4 days without; lovely
holiday; and I am already feeling queasy.

All I can say is that I am really rather glad that Sivakatirswami came
up with 'Devawriter' for my software before I put my big, fat foot in it
and gave it some sort of name that would have elicited comments
and remarks of this sort.

Of course; I had all sorts of fairly unprintable names in mind;
and as my all-in-wrestling match to tame the RunRev-crossbreeds-with-Unicode
dragon they became increasingly unprintable.

On the other hand, I prefer 'Glandular' to the poncy Italian chocolate . 
. .  :)

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RE: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-08 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia
 
 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/07/apple_developin
 g_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html

Isn't this just another javascript framework?

While I see some duplication of functions, I have been wondering how these
(abeit increasingly powerful) frameworks completely replace Flash or Rev for
that matter, delivered through a plugin experience. We see a lot of examples
of implementation but not very sophisticated editing and testing
environments for them.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-08 Thread Bernard Devlin
Over the past 2 or 3 years, I kept seeing references to Apple 
Gianduia on the WebObjects list.  But as everyone was under NDA, they
would never say exactly what it was.

Bernard
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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-08 Thread Richard Gaskin

On 5/8/10 10:32 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/07/apple_developin
g_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html


Isn't this just another javascript framework?


As of 8 May at 10:49 AM that's true.

But it's not like Apple has no experience making authoring tools, and it 
seems a slender leap to consider the possibility that they'll turn out 
an IDE for this within the coming months.


I'd wager they do.  To NOT do so would hamper their strategy.

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Re: [OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-08 Thread Chipp Walters

Interesting. Very interesting.

Richard, how long do you suppose until Apple bans web apps for the  
iPhone/iPad AppStore unless they are only made with their new tool?


Chipp Walters
CEO Shafer Walters Group, Inc
President, Altuit, Inc

On May 8, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Richard Gaskin  
ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:




As of 8 May at 10:49 AM that's true.

But it's not like Apple has no experience making authoring tools,  
and it seems a slender leap to consider the possibility that they'll  
turn out an IDE for this within the coming months.


I'd wager they do.  To NOT do so would hamper their strategy.

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[OT] Apple developing Flash alternative

2010-05-07 Thread Richard Gaskin


Apple developing Flash alternative named Gianduia

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/07/apple_developing_flash_alternative_named_gianduia.html

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