Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Most newer Macs have auto sensing and do not need a crossover cable anymore, they can do the crossover internally if they detect that they are connected to another computer instead of a switch or hub. On May 9, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Jim Ault wrote: There is the 'old' way of using a cross-over ethernet cable. This allows the 2 computers to use that port to talk and listen. price is about $20. catch is that you are now using the port this way, so no internet access. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Thanks, and since I have always used a hub, switch or router, I did not know the new auto sensing capability Jim Ault Las Vegas On 5/10/06 5:46 AM, Wally Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most newer Macs have auto sensing and do not need a crossover cable anymore, they can do the crossover internally if they detect that they are connected to another computer instead of a switch or hub. On May 9, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Jim Ault wrote: There is the 'old' way of using a cross-over ethernet cable. This allows the 2 computers to use that port to talk and listen. price is about $20. catch is that you are now using the port this way, so no internet access. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Routerless Network?
Hi List: Apologies for the OT question. I have an XP system and an OSX Mac sitting near each other that I'm wondering if I can network without using a router -- I'd like to move some Rev files back and forth for testing. (There is a wireless network in the area but no card for the XP system, Mac only.) I do have an ethernet cable. Are there any settings I can apply to either system to make them see each other? Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
On May 9, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Scott Rossi wrote: Hi List: Apologies for the OT question. I have an XP system and an OSX Mac sitting near each other that I'm wondering if I can network without using a router -- I'd like to move some Rev files back and forth for testing. (There is a wireless network in the area but no card for the XP system, Mac only.) I do have an ethernet cable. Are there any settings I can apply to either system to make them see each other? Hi Scott, You need to make sure they are all on the same subnet. I would use the following settings: Mac IP: 192.168.0.3 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 Win IP: 192.168.0.4 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 They should see each other after that. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Routerless Network?
I have a Pentium 3 running Windows XP and a G4 Mirror Door running Mac OSX 10.4.6 - they are networked together via a Switch/Hub (this is not a router) using Ethernet: The settings for the XP box are as follows: Properties Internet protocol (TCP/IP); IP address 10.0.0.29 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 other settings left empty The settings for the Mac OSX box are similar: Subnet Mask 10.0.0.1 Subnet: 255.255.255.0 Windows networking is allowed, as is sharing. An ethernet cable runs out of the LAN port of the PC into the SWITCH, another ethernet cable does the same between the MAC and the SWITCH. On your XP desktop create a new SHORTCUT, in the XP shortcut WIZARD type \\10.0.0.1\ScottRossi where 'ScottRossi' is the exact name of your normal user account on the MAC box, the WIZARD will then ask you to give the SHORTCUT a name (e.g. Rossi's box), when you double click on the SHORTCUT for the first time it will ask you for the password of the user account on the MAC, then it will open the user account of the MAC as a normal browser window on the XP desktop: you can then drag-n-drop files and folders in both directions to your heart's content. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of meanings users attach to words and phrases. Mathewson, 2006 - 24 FIFA World Cup tickets to be won with Yahoo! Mail. Learn more ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
There is the 'old' way of using a cross-over ethernet cable. This allows the 2 computers to use that port to talk and listen. price is about $20. catch is that you are now using the port this way, so no internet access. Google 'crossover ethernet cable' to see how it is wired. Not many around so it is very unlikely that the cable you have is crossover. Once you use this technique, you would have to give each computer a static IP address so they have one. A router automatically assigns this when each cpu starts up or is correctly connected so the router can see it. This makes sure that each computer has a unique address. Another option, but rare, is a network drive, USB or FireWire, but if you have one, it should work. Hope this helps. Someone else may know of a way. Of course, a flash/key chain drive could do in a pinch. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 5/9/06 9:08 AM, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List: Apologies for the OT question. I have an XP system and an OSX Mac sitting near each other that I'm wondering if I can network without using a router -- I'd like to move some Rev files back and forth for testing. (There is a wireless network in the area but no card for the XP system, Mac only.) I do have an ethernet cable. Are there any settings I can apply to either system to make them see each other? Thanks Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
On May 9, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Jim Ault wrote: Google 'crossover ethernet cable' to see how it is wired. Not many around so it is very unlikely that the cable you have is crossover. All Macs for the last few years automatically crossover the connection if you use a standard ethernet cable. Should not be a problem either way. Making your own cables is very simple and cheap as another solution. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Thanks for your clear instructions. I just taped them to the monitor for my
XP box as I can never get that thing to be on the network consistently. I
also absolutely hate window's wizards and while I'm at it why is Outlook
such a bad program while Entourage written by the same people works so nice?
I have considered one of those ethernet network drives but I have never seen
one that mounts to both windows XP and OS X simultaneously (besides a
windows box doesn't cost much more). While I'm complaining those window's
boxes seem to just get slower and slower the more you use them. Mine is so
slow now I use Virtual PC on my Mac instead because, believe it or not, that
is faster! Windows XP must just load up with background processes invisibly.
On 5/9/06 12:28 PM, Richmond Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a Pentium 3 running Windows XP and a G4 Mirror Door running Mac OSX
10.4.6 - they are networked together via a Switch/Hub (this is not a router)
using Ethernet:
The settings for the XP box are as follows:
Properties Internet protocol (TCP/IP); IP address 10.0.0.29
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
other settings left empty
The settings for the Mac OSX box are similar:
Subnet Mask 10.0.0.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Windows networking is allowed, as is sharing.
An ethernet cable runs out of the LAN port of the PC into the SWITCH,
another ethernet cable does the same between the MAC and the SWITCH.
On your XP desktop create a new SHORTCUT,
in the XP shortcut WIZARD type \\10.0.0.1\ScottRossi where 'ScottRossi' is the
exact name of your normal user account on the MAC box,
the WIZARD will then ask you to give the SHORTCUT a name (e.g. Rossi's box),
when you double click on the SHORTCUT for the first time it will ask you for
the password of the user account on the MAC,
then it will open the user account of the MAC as a normal browser window on
the XP desktop:
you can then drag-n-drop files and folders in both directions to your heart's
content.
sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
Philosophical problems are confusions arising owing to the fluidity of
meanings users attach to words and phrases.
Mathewson, 2006
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Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Scott, You can do it but it may be more time consuming than it's worth because of the potential gotchas. First, not any Ethernet cable will do; you typically need to have a crossover cable. Most modern routers and switches (hubs) auto-detect and compensate for cables of either wiring flavor, but most Ethernet adapters on PCs do not. An appropriate cable can cost $20. The second gotcha is configuring the network on both machines. If the Mac is currently working fine with the wireless network (you say there's one in the area, but not whether you use it), it may be a hassle to undo those settings and configure them for the PC-to-PC net you would create. Each computer will need to be on the same subnet (e.g.: 255.255.255.0), and each will need to have a static IP address. For example, 10.0.0.10 and 10.0.0.11. While they are hooked up to each other, neither computer will have Internet access unless the one machine has a second net connection and you set up Internet Connection sharing. (Third gotcha.) Setting up ICS is fairly involved. On the other hand, good USB WiFi adapters can be had for under $30; I've even seen them as low as $20. They do work with Airport hubs. I've found these little guys can be extremely useful. If it's a choice between getting the correct cable and getting a WiFi dongle, I'd go with the dongle. Bill Scott Rossi asked, Apologies for the OT question. I have an XP system and an OSX Mac sitting near each other that I'm wondering if I can network without using a router [...] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Recently, David Vaughan wrote: Take all the replies and wherever you see a negative comment (need crossover cable which costs $millions, can not network whatever) cross it out. Heh, thanks David. No worries -- I'm not thrown by negative comments; I've learned to wait for a few responses from the list as there's a lot of knowledge/talent here. In fact, I found this document which made me pretty hopeful: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/302#thread But it's not working for me. I'm connecting a Mac laptop to a Win desktop, and while the Win box does indeed report an error if I assign the same IP address to each system, neither system seems able to see the other with unique IDs (Chris Bohnert mentioned pinging the Mac system from Windows to check the connection and all I get is a series of timeouts). So I may just have to break down and go for a wireless card. I may play around with it some more but am not sure what else to try. Thanks to all for the suggestions and for putting up with the OT. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
It's a hack, but if you run virtual PC on the Mac you might be able to set the other box as a share point? On May 09, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, David Vaughan wrote: Take all the replies and wherever you see a negative comment (need crossover cable which costs $millions, can not network whatever) cross it out. Heh, thanks David. No worries -- I'm not thrown by negative comments; I've learned to wait for a few responses from the list as there's a lot of knowledge/talent here. In fact, I found this document which made me pretty hopeful: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/302#thread But it's not working for me. I'm connecting a Mac laptop to a Win desktop, and while the Win box does indeed report an error if I assign the same IP address to each system, neither system seems able to see the other with unique IDs (Chris Bohnert mentioned pinging the Mac system from Windows to check the connection and all I get is a series of timeouts). So I may just have to break down and go for a wireless card. I may play around with it some more but am not sure what else to try. Thanks to all for the suggestions and for putting up with the OT. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
MacOS X has built-in windows sharing no need for VPC for that... On May 9, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: It's a hack, but if you run virtual PC on the Mac you might be able to set the other box as a share point? On May 09, 2006, at 12:33 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, David Vaughan wrote: Take all the replies and wherever you see a negative comment (need crossover cable which costs $millions, can not network whatever) cross it out. Heh, thanks David. No worries -- I'm not thrown by negative comments; I've learned to wait for a few responses from the list as there's a lot of knowledge/talent here. In fact, I found this document which made me pretty hopeful: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/302#thread But it's not working for me. I'm connecting a Mac laptop to a Win desktop, and while the Win box does indeed report an error if I assign the same IP address to each system, neither system seems able to see the other with unique IDs (Chris Bohnert mentioned pinging the Mac system from Windows to check the connection and all I get is a series of timeouts). So I may just have to break down and go for a wireless card. I may play around with it some more but am not sure what else to try. Thanks to all for the suggestions and for putting up with the OT. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Hello, FYI, it is not necessary to use VPC for that. On the PC side, I have Client for MS Networks installed, together with the correct ethernet drivers. I have also a TCP/IP protocol defined for that Ethernet driver, with the correct IP number and subnet mask. Then I turned on file sharing and set the properties of an entire hard disk partition such as to share it with the local network. On the Mac, I configured TCP/IP manually and turned on Windows sharing. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Salery is the easiest way to get your own web store on-line: http:// www.salery.biz/salery.html Op 10-mei-2006, om 0:54 heeft Sivakatirswami het volgende geschreven: It's a hack, but if you run virtual PC on the Mac you might be able to set the other box as a share point? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, David Vaughan wrote: Take all the replies and wherever you see a negative comment (need crossover cable which costs $millions, can not network whatever) cross it out. Heh, thanks David. No worries -- I'm not thrown by negative comments; I've learned to wait for a few responses from the list as there's a lot of knowledge/talent here. In fact, I found this document which made me pretty hopeful: http://hacks.oreilly.com/pub/h/302#thread But it's not working for me. I'm connecting a Mac laptop to a Win desktop, and while the Win box does indeed report an error if I assign the same IP address to each system, neither system seems able to see the other with unique IDs (Chris Bohnert mentioned pinging the Mac system from Windows to check the connection and all I get is a series of timeouts). So, just to be clear, are you saying that if you use the same address, the Win box reports an error, but if you use different addresses, no connection ? Something like Win : IP : 192.168.1.1 netmask : 255.255.255.0 Mac : IP : 192.168.1.1 netmask : 255.255.255.0 gives an error message, but Win : IP : 192.168.1.1 netmask : 255.255.255.0 Mac : IP : 192.168.1.2 netmask : 255.255.255.0 give nothing but timeouts ? Between those two cases, are you changing the IP addr on the Mac or the PC ? Double check that you didn't set the netmask to 255.255.255.255 on one of the systems by mistake. As well as ping, try doing an arp -a to check if each can see the other IP address. Just for fun, do a tracert -d from each to the other (may need to experiment with the option on the Mac, I can't remember which letter it uses for no dns lookups). And do an ipconfig as well on the Win box send any (or preferably all) of the output (direct to me is OK) from those and I'll take a look to see if there's anything unusual. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 08/05/2006 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
Unfortunately, these ad hoc networks are almost never straightforward. Been there, done that. And the OP couldn't get it to work either. Not trying to be negative, just trying to save people time. David Vaughan wrote [...] follow the remaining positive instructions and it should be a piece of cake. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Routerless Network?
On 10/05/2006, at 9:15, Mark Schonewille wrote: FYI, it is not necessary to use VPC for that. On the PC side, I have Client for MS Networks installed, together with the correct ethernet drivers. I have also a TCP/IP protocol defined for that Ethernet driver, with the correct IP number and subnet mask. Then I turned on file sharing and set the properties of an entire hard disk partition such as to share it with the local network. On the Mac, I configured TCP/IP manually and turned on Windows sharing. Indeed, either should work, and Scott's O'Reilly reference shows the flexibility. Personally i would define the IP addresses (like Mark) rather than using self-assigned addresses, and would share the PC and connect from the Mac end. You do not have to share both. However, Scott's last post on his lack of success on something which should work readily leaves me at a bit of a loss to troubleshoot it remotely and without information on machines, versions, settings and so on. Probably quicker to use iPodNet or thumbDriveNet or connect the PC to the airport. I was optimistic earlier when I said Macs three to five years old should do the auto-crossover trick. I think it might only have come in with the PB17 three years ago and then spread to later models. regards David ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
