Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
On Dec 20, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: So I'm curious... does anyone use profiles, and if so, what for? It's been three months without a reply, which is pretty much what I figured. Actually, I use them for platform specific interface adjustments. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Hi Mark, No tutorial? How is one supposed to use these? Are they like an overall rev property that changes all other rev properties at once of an object to a saved state? - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev 2009/12/20 Mark Wieder > Mark- > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:06:50 PM, I wrote: > > > So I'm curious... does anyone use profiles, and if so, what for? > > It's been three months without a reply, which is pretty much what I > figured. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwie...@ahsoftware.net > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Mark- Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:06:50 PM, I wrote: > So I'm curious... does anyone use profiles, and if so, what for? It's been three months without a reply, which is pretty much what I figured. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
>> This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool. > > I can’t share your point of view on this. I can't see the reason which > prevents from creating a button which respects the Apple Human Interface > Guidelines for example. Like you I am a Mac person, but as developers, we have to recognise that the majority of computers still run Windows. >From RunRev's point of view, it would be commercial suicide to have their default look to be completely Apple HIG compliant, since this would make them very un-Windows like. They have done an excellent job of making default interface objects that look reasonably good on all platforms, but if you really want the Mac look & feel, the you will either have to develop your own custom buttons, or switch to programming in XCode where the Interface Builder does everything in pure Mac mode. > Sorry, but personally, I prefer to make a standard Mac app that it won't > look like a Windows app for Windows users than the opposite ;-) That is purely a personal and commercial decision. No need to apologise for it :-) Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Le 21 sept. 2009 à 01:36, Sarah Reichelt a écrit : This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool. I can’t share your point of view on this. I can't see the reason which prevents from creating a button which respects the Apple Human Interface Guidelines for example. However you can set the font and with the new graphic effects, you can make gradient buttons. Of course I can, and I do it, but I prefer to spend time to develop, not to improve the elements of the interface. Tool bars are easy enough to make yourself, although allowing the standard customization would be a neat trick which I have never bothered with. (I never have enough options to need it.) Then you start running into the same issues that Rev has i.e. if you make your app look too much like a standard Mac app, then it won't look like a Windows app for Windows users, without a lot of effort on your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never really got into using profiles. Sorry, but personally, I prefer to make a standard Mac app that it won't look like a Windows app for Windows users than the opposite ;-) Jérôme Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Sarah Reichelt wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Oh, By, Am I naive or what? For us naive types could somebody, Please, in a relatively simple way, explain what a "dirty button/flag" is? When a document needs to be saved, this is referred to as being "dirty". Since this is a true/false setting, it is often called a flag. In Macs, if you look at a document in say, Text Edit, if it needs saving, the close close blob in the title bar will have a dark centre, so this is a "dirty button". Cheers, Sarah ___ Thanks for a nice, clear explanation. I cannot help wondering why the word 'dirty' is used in these cases; surely 'unsaved' is much easier to understand (especially for folk like me!) Gosh, I'm even goofier than I thought I was; always wondered about those blobs! Mind you I normally remember when things need saving (about every 2 minutes) without any blobs. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
> It's a feature I'd like, but apart from a couple of mentions on the list it > doesn't seem to be that high a priority for people - there doesn't even > appear to be a request for it in the QA centre. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6213 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
On 21 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Oh, By, Am I naive or what? For us naive types could somebody, Please, in a relatively simple way, explain what a "dirty button/flag" is? In the majority of document-based OS X apps, the saved status of the current document is visually shown in the title bar - if it's unsaved then there is a darker centre to the red 'close' button. TextEdit is a good example - open a new document, and watch the red button as you type in the first character. On 21 Sep 2009, at 07:27, Arthur Rann wrote: Hi, I thought RR was being touted as the evolution of HyperCard? I have a hard time believing the dirty flag isn't supported natively. Are you saying it's not??? Nope, never has been. Look, I have a ton of cross-platform apps on my drive, but all of them use the dirty red button to indicate that the file has been touched. I also have quite a few cross-platform apps, and apart from the 'big' ones like Photoshop, most of them *don't* use the dirty red button. :- ( It's highly dependant on the framework that the developer has been using, and if they are primarily Windows developers whether they are even *aware* of the feature. Doesn't anyone hold RR to task over Mac OS Interface? Apart from us? Who are you referring to? It's a feature I'd like, but apart from a couple of mentions on the list it doesn't seem to be that high a priority for people - there doesn't even appear to be a request for it in the QA centre. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Oh, By, Am I naive or what? > > For us naive types could somebody, Please, > in a relatively simple way, explain what a > "dirty button/flag" is? When a document needs to be saved, this is referred to as being "dirty". Since this is a true/false setting, it is often called a flag. In Macs, if you look at a document in say, Text Edit, if it needs saving, the close close blob in the title bar will have a dark centre, so this is a "dirty button". Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Oh, By, Am I naive or what? For us naive types could somebody, Please, in a relatively simple way, explain what a "dirty button/flag" is? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
YES ! YES ! YES ! Bons souvenirs de Paris René Le 20 sept. 09 à 17:43, Shao Sean a écrit : Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png -- Shao Sean http://www.RevDevelop.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Hi, I thought RR was being touted as the evolution of HyperCard? I have a hard time believing the dirty flag isn't supported natively. Are you saying it's not??? Look, I have a ton of cross-platform apps on my drive, but all of them use the dirty red button to indicate that the file has been touched. This is the kind of basic Mac OS X thing that RR should be putting in their product. Doesn't anyone hold RR to task over Mac OS Interface? -Art ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Sarah- Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:36:15 PM, you wrote: > your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never > really got into using profiles. Yeah - me neither. Had some thoughts about it but never really bothered. So I'm curious... does anyone use profiles, and if so, what for? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
> It is the right track. There are still others improvement to bring so that > Rev applications look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. For example, > tool bars, gradient buttons, button and field with the default Mac OS X > font, size and position, etc. In a word, this would be great if Rev > applications respected the Apple Human Interface Guidelines. This is the price we pay for using a cross-platform tool. However you can set the font and with the new graphic effects, you can make gradient buttons. Tool bars are easy enough to make yourself, although allowing the standard customization would be a neat trick which I have never bothered with. (I never have enough options to need it.) Then you start running into the same issues that Rev has i.e. if you make your app look too much like a standard Mac app, then it won't look like a Windows app for Windows users, without a lot of effort on your part. I think this is what profiles are good for, but I never really got into using profiles. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Shao Sean wrote: > Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel > more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: > > setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off > isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag > (boolean) > setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window > > Screen capture of a modified title bar: > http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png Awesome - that's been on my wish list for ages. Cheers, Sarah ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Shao Sean wrote: Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png Most excellent! This will serve very well until/unless RunRev gets around to that sort of fit-and-finish in the enfgine. Good job. Where/when/how do we get it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Shao, Fantastic. Bill Vlahos On Sep 20, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Shao Sean wrote: Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png -- Shao Sean http://www.RevDevelop.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Shao Sean wrote: Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png My God; I thought I was past being teased by dirty documents. BUT: Tell me more! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Le 20 sept. 2009 à 18:57, Shao Sean a écrit : For example, tool bars, gradient buttons, am looking into this, but my skillz are not mad (even though i am ;-) Don't be so modest :-) button and field with the default Mac OS X font, size and position Set your stack to have the font Lucinda Grande, size 13.. Set your buttons to have a height of 22 pixels.. There are probably other tweaks to be made but that is a start in the right direction.. This is what I do but after that you must take account of the platform in your code to change font, size, etc. and for an application (Revolution) which wants to be easy and cross platform, that beats me ! :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
For example, tool bars, gradient buttons, am looking into this, but my skillz are not mad (even though i am ;-) button and field with the default Mac OS X font, size and position Set your stack to have the font Lucinda Grande, size 13.. Set your buttons to have a height of 22 pixels.. There are probably other tweaks to be made but that is a start in the right direction.. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Great, It is the right track. There are still others improvement to bring so that Rev applications look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. For example, tool bars, gradient buttons, button and field with the default Mac OS X font, size and position, etc. In a word, this would be great if Rev applications respected the Apple Human Interface Guidelines. Le 20 sept. 2009 à 17:43, Shao Sean a écrit : Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png -- Shao Sean http://www.RevDevelop.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
I keep hoping for set the style of this stack to cocoa -- Paul On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Shao Sean wrote: > Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel > more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: > > setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off > isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag > (boolean) > setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window > > Screen capture of a modified title bar: > http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png > > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [teaser] Mac OS X external
Hi Sean, Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png Cool! Consider me teased :-) -- Shao Sean http://www.RevDevelop.com/ Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major.on-rev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[teaser] Mac OS X external
Working on an external for helping Mac applications in Rev look and feel more like Mac OS X applications. Current features include: setWindowModified - toggles the "dirty" document flag on and off isWindowModified() - returns the state of the "dirty" document flag (boolean) setWindowProxy - adds a proxy icon to the title bar of the window Screen capture of a modified title bar: http://revdevelop.com/images/ssMacWindows.png -- Shao Sean http://www.RevDevelop.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
