Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Mark Wieder]

Rick-

Sunday, January 29, 2006, 5:25:23 PM, you wrote:

> I just went to this link to check it out.  You are only allowed 1000
> queries per day, and the API is only for Non-Commercial use only.

But wait - it gets worse. Actually, it's *your id* that is limited to
a certain number of queries per day. If you create and distribute an
app then every time that app gets used it counts against your id.
Worse yet, once you hit the limit any further use by *any* user will
be firewalled. And your app gets the blame.

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Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Rick Harrison]

On the upside, Google does provide an API for developers to use for  
such purposes:





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I just went to this link to check it out.  You are only allowed 1000
queries per day, and the API is only for Non-Commercial use only.

Those pictures of the dogs may have their own copyright issues too.
Just because google list them doesn't mean the owners gave up their
copyright on the material.

In many cases the owners of the pictures posted may not even know that
google has indexed them, and included them in their database.

I know of people who have set up small websites to show off pictures
of their kids to Grandma, but since they didn't tell the web spiders
to not index in their meta tags or supply a robots.txt file, google
has now indexed those pictures.  Those parents were not happy
when they discovered their family pictures all over google!

I suppose you might find some other search engine other than
google to do your tests with.  There are tons of them out there
some of which may not have such tight controls.

Good luck!

Rick Harrison



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Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Dan Shafer]

(Usual "I'm not a lawyer" disclaimer)

I do not think it is possible for Google or anyone else to complain
about you accessing their site from a platform other than a Web
browser if you're not repackaging or otherwise taking unfair advantage
of their service. My opinion would be that this is perfectly valid
use.

I use NoteTaker (soon to be NoteShare) for such Web search and
research all the time.


On 1/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't download anything, just using Google's search engine from within
> Rev.   Does anyone have any information as to whether or not there are any
> copyright issues?   --
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Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Richard,

Le 25 janv. 06 à 19:30, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

It's not so much a copyright concern as one of lost revenue.   
Search engine sites make their money from advertising, and  
automated searches nullify the value of such advertising.


As you know it, I was concerned by this possible issue with my  
Resources Picker plugin and, now, with the future Rev Search Engine.
All you say is right but I don't think that using revGoUrl (that  
displays the Google pages in your browser) should be a problem.
As soon as you pop-up a browser and don't distort its contents,  
actually it's all benefice for Google :-)
You can type in the entry box; why would you not be able to use any  
convenient process to paste an url in your browser entry box?
The problem comes when you use *internally* the Google search engine  
and display only what you want into your own app.

And this, I do understand it.

Best Regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet
 
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Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a copyright issue with using the powerful 
RevGoURL command to access websites using known Internet search engines?   For 
instance, if one is interested in dogs one can access Google simply by writing:


It's not so much a copyright concern as one of lost revenue.  Search 
engine sites make their money from advertising, and automated searches 
nullify the value of such advertising.


Google, for example, states their position on this in their Terms of 
Service at :


No Automated Querying

You may not send automated queries of any sort to Google's
system without express permission in advance from Google.
Note that "sending automated queries" includes, among other
things:

* using any software which sends queries to Google to
  determine how a website or webpage "ranks" on Google
  for various queries;
* "meta-searching" Google; and
* performing "offline" searches on Google.

Please do not write to Google to request permission to
"meta-search" Google for a research project, as such
requests will not be granted.


On the upside, Google does provide an API for developers to use for such 
purposes:





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Re: Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Peter T. Evensen]

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see how one could copyright a URL, which is 
what one would have to do for you to get into problems.


I believe Google is licensing an SDK so people can use there services.  At 
the very worst, you'd have to license the SDK so you could "legitimately" 
generate search URL, but I don't think you would even need to do that.


At 11:33 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a copyright issue with using the powerful
RevGoURL command to access websites using known Internet search 
engines?   For
instance, if one is interested in dogs one can access Google simply by 
writing:


RevGoURL "http://www.google.com"; or
RevGoURL "http://www.images.google.com"; (to see pictures)

and then typing in "dogs" in Google's search field.   I don't imagine there
is any difficulty with that.   However, what if one extended it to actually
incorporate Google's search script in the RevGoURL command, namely:

RevGoURL "http://www.images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&;
ie=ISO-8859-1&q=dogs"

It doesn't download anything, just using Google's search engine from within
Rev.   Does anyone have any information as to whether or not there are any
copyright issues?   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg


Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-628-4588 


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Copyright issue with RevGoURL commands?

[Stgoldberg]

Does anyone know if there is a copyright issue with using the powerful 
RevGoURL command to access websites using known Internet search engines?   For 
instance, if one is interested in dogs one can access Google simply by writing:

RevGoURL "http://www.google.com"; or 
RevGoURL "http://www.images.google.com"; (to see pictures) 

and then typing in "dogs" in Google's search field.   I don't imagine there 
is any difficulty with that.   However, what if one extended it to actually 
incorporate Google's search script in the RevGoURL command, namely:

RevGoURL "http://www.images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&;
ie=ISO-8859-1&q=dogs"

It doesn't download anything, just using Google's search engine from within 
Rev.   Does anyone have any information as to whether or not there are any 
copyright issues?   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg
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