Re: DLL usage in RunRev
I didn't see the RunRev sdk, but I think you agree. I think SDK was created to be used with C or C++. Neither Delphi nor Visual Basic, etc... On 11/28/05, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alessandro- > > Monday, November 28, 2005, 1:15:45 PM, you wrote: > > > Sorry Mark, but in my company I already use Delphi to create DLLs > > (using "cdecl" option for parameters passing) ;-) > > Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't create DLLs, just > that you probably can't create *runrev-compatible* DLLs. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Alessandro- Monday, November 28, 2005, 1:15:45 PM, you wrote: > Sorry Mark, but in my company I already use Delphi to create DLLs > (using "cdecl" option for parameters passing) ;-) Yes, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't create DLLs, just that you probably can't create *runrev-compatible* DLLs. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Sorry Mark, but in my company I already use Delphi to create DLLs (using "cdecl" option for parameters passing) ;-) I don't know if I can use Delphi to create dll specific for RunRev, but Delphi can create dll for windows (and, of course, I can read/use every dll). Some problems occurred in older Delphi versions (more about ocx). But now the situation seems ok. On 11/28/05, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alessandro- > > Monday, November 28, 2005, 8:01:14 AM, you wrote: > > > It worked, but only RunRev dlls (sure compiled with RunRev toolkit). > > I currently work in Delphi (but I know other "low-level" programming > > languages) and I not yet understand why RunRev makes the difference > > between RunRev-DLL and Non-RunRev DLLs. > > I doubt you'll be able to create compatible DLLs using Delphi. I know > you can't do it using Borland's C++ compilers. I wish it were > otherwise, but it's a limitation in Borland's linker. You can't get > the right combination of options to create a DLL that is recognized by > the engine.. > > > Basically, the dll has a unique structure; the only difference is > > parameters passing using stack (from left to right: pascal-style; > > right-to-left: C-style). > > There are other differences as well. You need to be able to export > items in Mixed Case and without a leading underscore. You need to be > able to specify that the calling routine (not the called one) has the > responsibility for cleaning up the stack after the call. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Alessandro- Monday, November 28, 2005, 8:01:14 AM, you wrote: > It worked, but only RunRev dlls (sure compiled with RunRev toolkit). > I currently work in Delphi (but I know other "low-level" programming > languages) and I not yet understand why RunRev makes the difference > between RunRev-DLL and Non-RunRev DLLs. I doubt you'll be able to create compatible DLLs using Delphi. I know you can't do it using Borland's C++ compilers. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a limitation in Borland's linker. You can't get the right combination of options to create a DLL that is recognized by the engine.. > Basically, the dll has a unique structure; the only difference is > parameters passing using stack (from left to right: pascal-style; > right-to-left: C-style). There are other differences as well. You need to be able to export items in Mixed Case and without a leading underscore. You need to be able to specify that the calling routine (not the called one) has the responsibility for cleaning up the stack after the call. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
On 11/28/05 10:01 AM, "Alessandro Manotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It worked, but only RunRev dlls (sure compiled with RunRev toolkit). > I currently work in Delphi (but I know other "low-level" programming > languages) and I not yet understand why RunRev makes the difference > between RunRev-DLL and Non-RunRev DLLs. > > Basically, the dll has a unique structure; the only difference is > parameters passing using stack (from left to right: pascal-style; > right-to-left: C-style). Well, Rev DLLs have a special header that must be compiled into the external, which I assume is expected by the Revolution engine when it goes to load it. Personally, I'd *love* to see Rev use normal DLLs so the workaround wouldn't be necessary, but until that happens at least there's a way to do it. > However... I will use this proxy-like system, using VBS (great example!). Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Thank you Ken for your support. I discovered I forgot to insert a "the" in front of "externals" :-( It worked, but only RunRev dlls (sure compiled with RunRev toolkit). I currently work in Delphi (but I know other "low-level" programming languages) and I not yet understand why RunRev makes the difference between RunRev-DLL and Non-RunRev DLLs. Basically, the dll has a unique structure; the only difference is parameters passing using stack (from left to right: pascal-style; right-to-left: C-style). However... I will use this proxy-like system, using VBS (great example!). Thank you! On 11/28/05, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/28/05 4:27 AM, "Rishi Viner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Thanks for the great tip (below). Do you have any links / info / experience > > in > > doing this with Linux .so (shared object) files? I would be interested in > > doing this with database drivers to isolate myself from version changes. Any > > help / links appreciated... > > Sorry, Rishi... no experience here on Linux .so files; I've only used Linux > to test and run stacks/apps that didn't need them so I'm not much help here. > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
On 11/28/05 4:27 AM, "Rishi Viner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > Thanks for the great tip (below). Do you have any links / info / experience in > doing this with Linux .so (shared object) files? I would be interested in > doing this with database drivers to isolate myself from version changes. Any > help / links appreciated... Sorry, Rishi... no experience here on Linux .so files; I've only used Linux to test and run stacks/apps that didn't need them so I'm not much help here. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
On 11/28/05 2:23 AM, "Alessandro Manotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Author says it functions correctly. > But the RunRev documentation about "externals" suggests to close > (destroy) and open stack. > > What's the right procedure (how to use externals and close/open stack > without losing externals configuration)? Here's the deal - Rev only loads Rev-specific externals into memory when a stack that has the "externals" property is loaded. This happens before any messages are sent (with the exception of the "startup" message, which only goes to standalones). So if you already have your stack open, and you "attach" externals to it through the "set the externals to ___" command, those externals won't be available to that stack until the stack is saved, closed, and reopened, or is put into use as a library through "start using". Trevor Devore had a great idea that I (and others) have used - that is to attach the externals to a *substack* of the mainstack (I call mine "Externals" - I know, not very original :-), and then "start using" the substack as a library. This kicks the externals into gear immediately and makes them available. If I need to add other externals, all I need to do is "stop using" the Externals stack, and then "start using" it again to get it loaded. > > More: > let's suppose I need to use a generic DLL (not RunRev specific). And > let's suppose this dll is already registered. > Can you suggest the the smartest method to register and use it? Well, if it's already registered, then the only things you need to know is what function you want to call in the DLL and what the DLL's class name is. Personally, I always attempt to register the DLL anyway with my stsRegisterDLL handler, because it calls the internal function _stsIsRegistered which will return true or false if the DLL is registered and won't register it again if it's already registered. > I tried to use some windows dll (just to try) using the previous code, > but nothing happened (only errors...). My second problem is I have not > a dll to test (my application must be able to use any dll, based on a > script supplied from another program...). > > So... can you suggest me a proven method to use a generic windows dll? Once again, I direct you to the tip at my site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm This very clearly explains how to use a generic windows DLL. If it doesn't work for you, let me know what errors you receive and I'll help you troubleshoot it. > Last item (I'm sorry): and about ".so" Linux files? Or Linux dynamic library? Sorry, no idea about that - I haven't done anything with Linux libraries... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Hi Ken, Thanks for the great tip (below). Do you have any links / info / experience in doing this with Linux .so (shared object) files? I would be interested in doing this with database drivers to isolate myself from version changes. Any help / links appreciated... > > Basically an DLL is either built exclusively for Revolution using the > > headers/source provided in the Externals kit, or it is a third party DLL > > (a "normal" DLL"). Revolution externals are loaded with the "set the > > externals to " command (see "externals" in the > > Transcript Dictionary), and third party DLLs *can* be used, but you have > > to provide an intermediary to call them (see the tip). > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Ken Ray > > Sons of Thunder Software > > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Rishi Viner -- PUREDATA Australia www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
Thank you for suggestions and links ;-) But I noticed a bit of confusion about this argument (inside forum and mailing-list, and RunRev documentation). I will try to be more specific. Please read the this (from mailing list): Hi Eric, here's the script from MetaCard's stack components... on mouseUp local f if the platform is "Win32" then put "*.dll" into f else put "*" into f answer file "Choose an external:" with "external" with filter f if it is not empty then set the itemDelimiter to "/" if field "List" is not empty then put return after field "List" put the last item of it after field "List" set the externals of stack the label of button "Stack Name" to field "List" end if end mouseUp Author says it functions correctly. But the RunRev documentation about "externals" suggests to close (destroy) and open stack. What's the right procedure (how to use externals and close/open stack without loosing externals configuration)? More: let's suppose I need to use a generic DLL (not RunRev specific). And let's suppose this dll is already registered. Can you suggest the the smartest method to register and use it? I tried to use some windows dll (just to try) using the previous code, but nothing happened (only errors...). My second problem is I have not a dll to test (my application must be able to use any dll, based on a script supplied from another program...). So... can you suggest me a proven method to use a generic windows dll? Last item (I'm sorry): and about ".so" Linux files? Or Linux dynamic library? Thank you in advance for your help! --Alessandro On 11/28/05, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/27/05 5:12 AM, "Alessandro Manotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > can someone help me to understand how to use a Windows DLL in RunRev? > > Allesandro, we just went over this topic a few weeks back. It's detailed in > the tip at my site: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm > > Basically an DLL is either built exclusively for Revolution using the > headers/source provided in the Externals kit, or it is a third party DLL (a > "normal" DLL"). Revolution externals are loaded with the "set the externals > to " command (see "externals" in the Transcript > Dictionary), and third party DLLs *can* be used, but you have to provide an > intermediary to call them (see the tip). > > Hope this helps, > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: DLL usage in RunRev
On 11/27/05 5:12 AM, "Alessandro Manotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > can someone help me to understand how to use a Windows DLL in RunRev? Allesandro, we just went over this topic a few weeks back. It's detailed in the tip at my site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm Basically an DLL is either built exclusively for Revolution using the headers/source provided in the Externals kit, or it is a third party DLL (a "normal" DLL"). Revolution externals are loaded with the "set the externals to " command (see "externals" in the Transcript Dictionary), and third party DLLs *can* be used, but you have to provide an intermediary to call them (see the tip). Hope this helps, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: DLL usage in RunRev
Hi Alessandro There's lots of ink spilled in the mailist about those... You can't interface directly to DLLs without an API call that you make via shell or a custom external command. Depends on what you need... Tell us more... There's usually other ways in Rev ;) Get the ActiveSearch Stack from the RevOnline files... fast Search engine in the comfort of rev or via the web <http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config =use-revolution_lists_runrev_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=DLL> Whatch for line cuts in the url... cheers Xavier http://monsieurx.com/taoo > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Alessandro Manotti > Sent: Sunday, 27 November, 2005 12:13 > To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Subject: DLL usage in RunRev > > Hello, > > can someone help me to understand how to use a Windows DLL in RunRev? > > I cannot find the exact function to load a library and use > the functions contained inside. :-( > > Thank you! > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
DLL usage in RunRev
Hello, can someone help me to understand how to use a Windows DLL in RunRev? I cannot find the exact function to load a library and use the functions contained inside. :-( Thank you! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
