Re: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-26 Thread viktoras didziulis

Hi Peter,

just tested this on my Linux (ubuntu 6.06 xfce, kernel 2.6.15-29-386) 
and it looks like it is working. E.g. I open Rev beta dp-4 and it loads 
in the 2nd desktop, then I opened Rev dictionary and send it to 3 
desktop, created new stack and sent it to the 4th workspace. Then 
searched the dictionary, went to 2 workspace to check if IDE is still 
there, then went to the 4th and closed the stack. It works so far 
without collapsing to a single workspace. Maybe there are some desktop 
settings to explore, although I used all defaults...


All the best
Viktoras

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Andre, you say well, it works on my EEE PC with multiple workspaces, I can 
carry rev to workspace 1 to 4 with no problem...


Yes, of course.  So can I.  

But that is not what is meant by working with no problem.  Can you put the 
different windows on different workspaces, in the way Sarah describes, and 
work on them?  Can you, for instance, put the script editor and the 
application browser on one desktop, the dictionary on a different desktop, 
and your app you are designing on a third, and have them all stay where you 
put them and work in the different windows as you choose, by flipping from 
one desktop to another?  I cannot.  They all move instantly back to the same 
desktop the moment I use anything.


I'll have to do some research on locking. Maybe there are hacks.  But at the 
moment, it does not work like I expect it to - like OO works for instance, 
where the dictionary equivalent can be moved to a different desktop and just 
stay there while you work on your spreadsheet.


Which, thankfully, I do less and less these days...

Peter
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DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-26 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Viktoras, you are quite right.  I have just tried out a few window managers.  
On Xfce multiple windows work fine on my installation also.  They also work 
fine on fluxbox. 

However they do exactly what I described earlier on both kde, which I just 
tested, and gnome, that is, all the windows collapse onto one desktop.

This is on Debian testing, pretty up to date.  Default settings for all WMs.

Could you try on Ubuntu using gnome or kde?  If you can bear the bloat!

At least there is a workaround - just use xfce, which I quite like these days, 
though whether it is any longer the low cholesterol desktop is another 
matter...  And if it works on two WMs it should be a fairly simple matter to 
make it work on kde and gnome.  

Or maybe it is a bug in kde and gnome?  Seems unlikely.

Peter
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Re: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-26 Thread viktoras didziulis

Hi Peter,

indeed, in KDE and Gnome it collapses to a single desktop... Hmmm, why 
it works on XFCE and fluxbox and doesn't on KDE and Gnome?.. I have no 
idea whether it is a bug of Rev or these desktop managers. I'll se what 
google says...


All the best
Viktoras

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Viktoras, you are quite right.  I have just tried out a few window managers.  
On Xfce multiple windows work fine on my installation also.  They also work 
fine on fluxbox. 

However they do exactly what I described earlier on both kde, which I just 
tested, and gnome, that is, all the windows collapse onto one desktop.


This is on Debian testing, pretty up to date.  Default settings for all WMs.

Could you try on Ubuntu using gnome or kde?  If you can bear the bloat!

At least there is a workaround - just use xfce, which I quite like these days, 
though whether it is any longer the low cholesterol desktop is another 
matter...  And if it works on two WMs it should be a fairly simple matter to 
make it work on kde and gnome.  


Or maybe it is a bug in kde and gnome?  Seems unlikely.

Peter
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DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-25 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Oh dear guys, I am sure it is wonderful in other ways, BUT  BUT  BUT!

It still does not do multiple desktops right.  Or at all, really.  First thing 
I tried.

It has the little icon in the top left, that works fine and moves your windows 
to another desktop, whichever you want, but then, as soon as you use one of 
them, back all the windows fly into one desktop again.  Just like it always 
has.

This really matters.  What it means is, I have at the moment 6 empty desktops, 
and I cannot even put the dictionary on one of them.  All my 7 Rev windows 
have to clutter up one desktop while the others are empty.  No other Linux 
app behaves like this.  All others, you put whichever window you like on 
whichever desktop you like and then use them.

For instance, OO.  I usually have the dictionary open on one desktop and the 
spreadsheet open on another, when I'm doing spreadsheets.  At the very least 
I would like to do the same with Rev.  

I know this is peculiar right now to the Linux desktops - but all of them have 
pagers like this, Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Fluxbox.  Whatever people think about 
this in HIG terms, its the way Linux people work.  So its got to be 
supported.  I think Apple will supports it in Leopard.  So it it is going to 
have to be done sooner or later.

Or hey, tell me I am idiotically missing some simple way to make it work.  
I'll be overjoyed!



Peter
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Re: DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-25 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:13 AM, Peter Alcibiades
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oh dear guys, I am sure it is wonderful in other ways, BUT  BUT  BUT!

  It still does not do multiple desktops right.  Or at all, really.  First 
 thing
  I tried.


Sorry to add to your misery, but it works fine with Apple's Spaces. I
just tested with my stack in one desktop, the docs in another and the
Application browser in another. All work fine with the Rev menu 
toolbar appearing in each.

I have only just started using multiple desktops when Leopard
introduced them, so I am not yet terribly familiar with them, but in
Spaces, there is a facility to lock a certain application to a
specific desktop. Would it be possible that Rev has somehow got locked
to a single desktop in your Linux system?

Cheers,
Sarah
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DP 4 for Linux: Aaaarrrggg!

2008-02-25 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Andre, you say well, it works on my EEE PC with multiple workspaces, I can 
carry rev to workspace 1 to 4 with no problem...

Yes, of course.  So can I.  

But that is not what is meant by working with no problem.  Can you put the 
different windows on different workspaces, in the way Sarah describes, and 
work on them?  Can you, for instance, put the script editor and the 
application browser on one desktop, the dictionary on a different desktop, 
and your app you are designing on a third, and have them all stay where you 
put them and work in the different windows as you choose, by flipping from 
one desktop to another?  I cannot.  They all move instantly back to the same 
desktop the moment I use anything.

I'll have to do some research on locking. Maybe there are hacks.  But at the 
moment, it does not work like I expect it to - like OO works for instance, 
where the dictionary equivalent can be moved to a different desktop and just 
stay there while you work on your spreadsheet.

Which, thankfully, I do less and less these days...

Peter
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