Re: Digest Reply Link

[Peter Brigham]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:40:05 -0700 Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

++++
Re: Digest Reply Link

Richard-

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 1:18:46 PM, you wrote:

Maybe we could turn the problem inside-out:
It shouldn't be too hard to toss together a lil' Rev stack that displays
the list archives and handles setting up reply emails.

The archives are here:
lists.runrev.com/ 
pipermail/use-revolution/


A little UI, a couple libURL calls, and it's done

Actually I've been waiting for someone to do that for a while now. My
ArchiveSearch plugin does allow you to do that, but it's a search
engine rather than a message browser. I'm not sure the archives lend
themselves to browsing readily in that manner, but I do think a rev
solution would be nice.

-- -Mark Wieder
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


It's been done, in one form, at least. I have a stack called  
RevDigests Reader, created by someone on this list, a while back. I  
use it to reply to this list. I can't find any credits in the stack  
on a quick perusal, and I can't remember who authored it. Age-related  
dementia strikes again. It allows you to read messages individually  
and reply to the list with a button-click. Unless that was a feature  
that I tweaked separately (I have a habit of customizing things  
for my own use.) It should be available somewhere in the userspaces,  
IIRC.


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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[James Richards]

There is an AppleScript here 
http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Misc_Scripts.html to 'burst' MIME 
digests which might do the job for you.


Regards

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On 19 Sep, 2006, at 11:51, Graham Samuel wrote:

So, my (probably inadequate anyway) mail client - Mac Mail - can't do 
anything unassisted.


Sad, because I'm always doing the copy/paste routine described by the 
originator of this thread.


Graham

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Wieder]

Robert-

Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 1:51:36 PM, you wrote:

> Would a Spam gateway change the headers?? Methinks not.

Well, yes, spam gateways do usually change the headers, but not in
that way. I'd follow Dar's advice and look at your subscription
options to make sure you're not in text mode.

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Smith]

Dar, you hit the nail on the head. I don't know if it's a recently  
added option or was there from the start, but there is a "MIME/Plain  
Text" option for digest mode in the list settings web page. I had it  
set to plain text.


Doh!

Best,

Mark

On 19 Sep 2006, at 21:06, Dar Scott wrote:



On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

Mark, looking at the raw source of the last digest I have, there  
really is none of what you describe. I wonder if Mac Mail is  
actually changing things, though you'd then have to wonder about  
the point of even having the option to view the raw source


I wonder if the MIME digest was an option that was added late in  
the life of this list and Mark checked that box and many of us did  
not.


Or maybe mail from Mark has some header that tells the list server  
to send MIME digest to Mark.


The right Mark, of course.

Dar
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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Robert Sneidar]

Mark,

I turned on long headers in Apple Mail and this is what I see for  
encoding:

Content-Type:   text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Would a Spam gateway change the headers?? Methinks not.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Dar Scott]

On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

Mark, looking at the raw source of the last digest I have, there  
really is none of what you describe. I wonder if Mac Mail is  
actually changing things, though you'd then have to wonder about  
the point of even having the option to view the raw source


I wonder if the MIME digest was an option that was added late in the  
life of this list and Mark checked that box and many of us did not.


Or maybe mail from Mark has some header that tells the list server to  
send MIME digest to Mark.


The right Mark, of course.

Dar
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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Graham Samuel]

Sadly, I have to agree. I am seeing

Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED]

at the end of the Digest Header, but nothing saying 'multipart/ 
digest' or anything like it.


Graham

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:38:37, Mark Smith wrote:


Mark, looking at the raw source of the last digest I have, there
really is none of what you describe. I wonder if Mac Mail is actually
changing things, though you'd then have to wonder about the point of
even having the option to view the raw source

I'll happily send you a sample of what I have, if you're interested
enough!

Best,

Mark

On 19 Sep 2006, at 18:20, Mark Wieder wrote:

> ...and that is indeed the correct header info for that message. I  
see

> the same. But each message also has a header (look at the raw source
> for the digest itself, not the individual messages) that  
specifies the

> Content-Type as being "message/rfc822". And before that, right after
> the digest header itself, is a tag defining the block containing the
> messages as "multipart/digest". That's what allows email clients to
> break the digest down into single messages rather than a monolithic
> piece of text.



 
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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Smith]

Mark, looking at the raw source of the last digest I have, there  
really is none of what you describe. I wonder if Mac Mail is actually  
changing things, though you'd then have to wonder about the point of  
even having the option to view the raw source


I'll happily send you a sample of what I have, if you're interested  
enough!


Best,

Mark

On 19 Sep 2006, at 18:20, Mark Wieder wrote:


...and that is indeed the correct header info for that message. I see
the same. But each message also has a header (look at the raw source
for the digest itself, not the individual messages) that specifies the
Content-Type as being "message/rfc822". And before that, right after
the digest header itself, is a tag defining the block containing the
messages as "multipart/digest". That's what allows email clients to
break the digest down into single messages rather than a monolithic
piece of text.


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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Wieder]

Graham-

Tuesday, September 19, 2006, 3:51:49 AM, you wrote:

> Not here it ain't. Here is a typical raw source header from within
> the digest as received by me:

> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:53:55 -0700
> From: Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Folder permissions question
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

...and that is indeed the correct header info for that message. I see
the same. But each message also has a header (look at the raw source
for the digest itself, not the individual messages) that specifies the
Content-Type as being "message/rfc822". And before that, right after
the digest header itself, is a tag defining the block containing the
messages as "multipart/digest". That's what allows email clients to
break the digest down into single messages rather than a monolithic
piece of text.

> So, my (probably inadequate anyway) mail client - Mac Mail - can't do
> anything unassisted.

That's more to the point. The mail list software is generating the
list in exactly the right format. It's up to the developers of email
client software to handle MIME digests properly.

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Graham Samuel]

On 18 Sep 2006, at 17:35, Mark Wieder wrote:



Each individual message in a MIME
digest includes a Content-Type header identifying it as type
"message/rfc822" and "MIME-Version 1.0". The headers of the individual
message are not changed, allowing mail reader client apps to function
as they normally would for single messages. All the header information
*is* in the digest already - it's up to client apps to handle it
properly. If it didn't work this way I'd never be able to put up with
digest mode.

Check section 5.1.5 (Digest Subtype) of rfc 2046:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt


Not here it ain't. Here is a typical raw source header from within  
the digest as received by me:


Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:53:55 -0700
From: Devin Asay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Folder permissions question
To: How to use Revolution 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

So, my (probably inadequate anyway) mail client - Mac Mail - can't do  
anything unassisted.


Sad, because I'm always doing the copy/paste routine described by the  
originator of this thread.


Graham


 
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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Smith]

Well, the last digest I have is July 28th 2005 - maybe it's changed  
since then.



On 19 Sep 2006, at 01:30, Mark Wieder wrote:


Mark-

Monday, September 18, 2006, 10:06:08 AM, you wrote:


Mark, in the digests I have, this does not seem to be the case.
Both the whole digest and each individual message have

in their respective headers, with no mention of rfc822 anywhere to be
found...


This digest??? Very strange. I see that for the digest header and the
TOC, but the individual messages come through with

--===0223335463==
Content-Type: message/rfc822
MIME-Version: 1.0

where the message-id tag is the same for each MIME message but
different from the Digest header fields.

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Wieder]

Mark-

Monday, September 18, 2006, 10:06:08 AM, you wrote:

> Mark, in the digests I have, this does not seem to be the case.
> Both the whole digest and each individual message have
> 
> in their respective headers, with no mention of rfc822 anywhere to be
> found...

This digest??? Very strange. I see that for the digest header and the
TOC, but the individual messages come through with

--===0223335463==
Content-Type: message/rfc822
MIME-Version: 1.0

where the message-id tag is the same for each MIME message but
different from the Digest header fields.

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Dar Scott]

On Sep 18, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

That *is* the way the digest works. Each individual message in a MIME
digest includes a Content-Type header identifying it as type
"message/rfc822" and "MIME-Version 1.0".


Is this a new-fangled thing?  I used to use Majordomo and I don't  
remember anything like this.  The best I could do was put a reminder  
at the top of the digest to set the subject in replies.


Next thing, you will be telling me that HTML doesn't garble digests  
anymore.


Dar

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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Smith]

Mark, in the digests I have, this does not seem to be the case.
Both the whole digest and each individual message have

in their respective headers, with no mention of rfc822 anywhere to be  
found...


best,

Mark

On 18 Sep 2006, at 17:35, Mark Wieder wrote:


Each individual message in a MIME
digest includes a Content-Type header identifying it as type
"message/rfc822" and "MIME-Version 1.0". The headers of the individual
message are not changed, allowing mail reader client apps to function
as they normally would for single messages. All the header information
*is* in the digest already - it's up to client apps to handle it
properly. If it didn't work this way I'd never be able to put up with
digest mode.

Check section 5.1.5 (Digest Subtype) of rfc 2046:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt


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Re: simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Sunday, September 17, 2006, 3:49:34 PM, you wrote:

> This is working on Mac OS X. So, one can change the way the digest
> work so that every message in the digest carry a mailto url for  
> replying to that message.

That *is* the way the digest works. Each individual message in a MIME
digest includes a Content-Type header identifying it as type
"message/rfc822" and "MIME-Version 1.0". The headers of the individual
message are not changed, allowing mail reader client apps to function
as they normally would for single messages. All the header information
*is* in the digest already - it's up to client apps to handle it
properly. If it didn't work this way I'd never be able to put up with
digest mode.

Check section 5.1.5 (Digest Subtype) of rfc 2046:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2046.txt

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Dar Scott]

On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walton Sumner wrote:
I'll take the time to copy, paste, and endorse Bob's suggestion. I  
often
reply to digest messages privately or not at all - it's too much  
trouble,
and usually someone else asks or answers questions without my  
input. I could

not possibly subscribe to this list without the digest.


I use sorting rules to put the list mail into its own mailbox folder  
to keep up with all the mail--or to ignore it should life demand.



Wonder if the subject line will suffice to connect this message to the
thread correctly?


That works.  Don't worry about thread headers.

Dar

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Digest Reply Link

[Walton Sumner]

I'll take the time to copy, paste, and endorse Bob's suggestion. I often
reply to digest messages privately or not at all - it's too much trouble,
and usually someone else asks or answers questions without my input. I could
not possibly subscribe to this list without the digest.

Wonder if the subject line will suffice to connect this message to the
thread correctly?

--Walt Sumner

BTW, Ken Ray, here's a public thanks for responding to my recent question
about monitoring for Palm syncs! Now I expect to vanish for a while...


> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:52:31 -0700
> From: Robert Sneidar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Digest Reply Link
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;delsp=yes;format=flowed
> 
> Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each
> message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply
> using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the
> quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would
> help.
> 
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Logos Management
> Calvary Chapel CM



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simple mailto hack (Re: Digest Reply Link)

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

I just checked, like we do with HTTP URLs, the mailto urls can carry  
parameters. Each email field can be a param. For example:



mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

will open a mail composition window with my mail and the hello  
subject, the other fields can be added like you'd do in a CGI call.  
This is working on Mac OS X. So, one can change the way the digest  
work so that every message in the digest carry a mailto url for  
replying to that message.


what about this?

Andre

On Sep 17, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Andre-

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 1:17:56 PM, you wrote:


I understand I think, since a digest holds many emails how to reply
to a single one? well, does anyone here knows if Mailto:// urls can
carry subject?


Certainly they can, but remember that they should be urlEncoded if
they contain spaces (per RFC#SomethingOrOther).

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 1:17:56 PM, you wrote:

> I understand I think, since a digest holds many emails how to reply
> to a single one? well, does anyone here knows if Mailto:// urls can
> carry subject?

Certainly they can, but remember that they should be urlEncoded if
they contain spaces (per RFC#SomethingOrOther).

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 1:18:46 PM, you wrote:

> Maybe we could turn the problem inside-out:
> It shouldn't be too hard to toss together a lil' Rev stack that displays
> the list archives and handles setting up reply emails.

> The archives are here:
> 

> A little UI, a couple libURL calls, and it's done

Actually I've been waiting for someone to do that for a while now. My
ArchiveSearch plugin does allow you to do that, but it's a search
engine rather than a message browser. I'm not sure the archives lend
themselves to browsing readily in that manner, but I do think a rev
solution would be nice.

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Mark Wieder]

Dar-

Saturday, September 16, 2006, 1:10:18 PM, you wrote:

> And how does that Reply button know what part of the digest I want to
> reply to.  That is, what subject to put into the reply.  Does it know
> what part of the digest is in front of me or where I have selected?
> The last I used a digest (maybe last century), a digest was just an
> email.  Is it somehow smart nowadays?

My email client of choice, The Bat! (http://www.ritlabs.com) gives me
digests as a hierarchal list of individual emails. So responding to
one item in the digest is like responding to an email that came in on
its own. The only difference is that instead of being bothered with
emails coming in constantly they will show up a few times a day.

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Richard Gaskin]

Dar Scott wrote:


On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Friday, September 15, 2006, 1:52:31 PM, you wrote:


Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each
message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply
using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the
quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would
help.


Not sure what you're referring to here. To reply to the list I just
hit my "Reply" button. Maybe you need a different email client app.


And how does that Reply button know what part of the digest I want to  
reply to.  That is, what subject to put into the reply.  Does it know  
what part of the digest is in front of me or where I have selected?   
The last I used a digest (maybe last century), a digest was just an  
email.  Is it somehow smart nowadays?


As in the the chainsaw joke, "What's that noise?!!!"

I liked Robert's idea, but I have a feeling we are missing something.


Maybe we could turn the problem inside-out:
It shouldn't be too hard to toss together a lil' Rev stack that displays 
the list archives and handles setting up reply emails.


The archives are here:


A little UI, a couple libURL calls, and it's done

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Andre Garzia]

I understand I think, since a digest holds many emails how to reply  
to a single one? well, does anyone here knows if Mailto:// urls can  
carry subject?


andre
On Sep 16, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Dar Scott wrote:



On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Friday, September 15, 2006, 1:52:31 PM, you wrote:


Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each
message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the  
reply

using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the
quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would
help.


Not sure what you're referring to here. To reply to the list I just
hit my "Reply" button. Maybe you need a different email client app.


And how does that Reply button know what part of the digest I want  
to reply to.  That is, what subject to put into the reply.  Does it  
know what part of the digest is in front of me or where I have  
selected?  The last I used a digest (maybe last century), a digest  
was just an email.  Is it somehow smart nowadays?


As in the the chainsaw joke, "What's that noise?!!!"

I liked Robert's idea, but I have a feeling we are missing something.

Dar

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Dar Scott]

On Sep 16, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Friday, September 15, 2006, 1:52:31 PM, you wrote:


Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each
message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply
using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the
quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would
help.


Not sure what you're referring to here. To reply to the list I just
hit my "Reply" button. Maybe you need a different email client app.


And how does that Reply button know what part of the digest I want to  
reply to.  That is, what subject to put into the reply.  Does it know  
what part of the digest is in front of me or where I have selected?   
The last I used a digest (maybe last century), a digest was just an  
email.  Is it somehow smart nowadays?


As in the the chainsaw joke, "What's that noise?!!!"

I liked Robert's idea, but I have a feeling we are missing something.

Dar

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Mark Wieder]

Phil-

Friday, September 15, 2006, 4:34:02 PM, you wrote:

> Another thing I would like in the digest is to have messages grouped by 
> subject
> rather than timeline. Last time I was on the digest, at least, it was by 
> timeline.

Again, this is a email client app thing. I see MIME digest entries
grouped by subject, then subgrouped by time. It's a configurable
option.

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Mark Wieder]

Robert-

Friday, September 15, 2006, 1:52:31 PM, you wrote:

> Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each  
> message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply
> using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the  
> quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would
> help.

Not sure what you're referring to here. To reply to the list I just
hit my "Reply" button. Maybe you need a different email client app.

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Re: Digest Reply Link

[Phil Davis]

Another thing I would like in the digest is to have messages grouped by subject 
rather than timeline. Last time I was on the digest, at least, it was by timeline.


Phil Davis


Robert Sneidar wrote:
Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each message 
to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply using copy 
paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the quoted text, but at 
least an address and a Re:  would help.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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Digest Reply Link

[Robert Sneidar]

Ya know what would be nice for us Digest users? A link in each  
message to reply to that message. Otherwise I have to build the reply  
using copy paste. Just a thought. I don't mind copy pasting the  
quoted text, but at least an address and a Re:  would  
help.


Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Logos Management
Calvary Chapel CM

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