Re: Duration of non supported applications
Many thanks to Bill, David and Devin for your comments. Since there seems to be no willingness (or resources) from our faculty to engage a new person to replace me, I'll stick to Bill's advice and update the programs to 2.8. I do this because I think the contents of many of the programs may still be valid for a decade. for instance phonetical transcription of English, the terminology used in analysis of poems, grammatical exercises (even if the grammar terminology as such tends to change more often than I like) etc. The programs have been developed for the study of English, French, Italian, Spanish, German, Boruca, Norwegian as a second language. In some of the programs, however, there are descriptions, translations of sentences in Norwegian, so they can be only used by Norwegians. The most eager ones to make use of the programs have been the distance learning students, they are mostly more mature people than our regular students. I'll probably be back with questions concerning the upgrading. Thank you again. Signe Marie Sanne Den 16. mar. 2007 kl. 19:26 skrev Bill Marriott: I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work great and continue to do so for the forseeable future. I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Devin, Since there seems to be scarce interest on behalf of our faculty to support the programs I have developed through 20 years, perhaps I should give them away free, at least to Revolution's educational community. All the time I have worked firmly convinced that they may prove most useful for the learning. This has been confirmed by some of the students, but most part of them seem not to have worked with them. However, in recent years I have no idea about how much they have worked with the programs, since the link to downloading the portal stack is available in their students' network (or whatever it is called) and they probably work with them at home. I still think the way they are distributed is fabulous, just one downloading of the portal stack (which I call the menu stack). If you want to have a look at the Italian programs, here is the link: http:// www.hf.uib.no/mlab/ItaMP/mcIta.html. User: studita Password: itafj As to a repository, isn't that what Marielle is trying to do something about? Signe Marie Den 16. mar. 2007 kl. 21:38 skrev Devin Asay: On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote: So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/ opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http. Signe, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I'm developing a similar approach with Rev, which I'm calling the Learning Web. You can take a look at it by downloading the beta version at Mac OS X: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_MacOSX.dmg Windows: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_setup.exe A couple of people on the list have allowed me to link to stacks they've created as a demonstration of the concept. There are also links to a couple of stacks I've created and one that one of my students did. We ought to explore the creation of a repository of web-based instructional stacks that could be run in this way. Tell me what you think. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Nice work, Signe! I still think the way they are distributed is fabulous, just one downloading of the portal stack (which I call the menu stack). If you want to have a look at the Italian programs, here is the link: http:// www.hf.uib.no/mlab/ItaMP/mcIta.html. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding, Bill. Devin On Mar 16, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free upgrade, as 2.9 will be. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
On 18/03/07, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and make any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get past the research/requirements phase. That's the great strength of our beloved platform. True. In my experience truth has little to do with this though :( The problem is that human beings and institutional structures get in the way of that. The real world logic goes to often like this: 1) A university department without a dedicated in house coder defers to the IT Department for advice and support. 2) The IT department unless it has a Rev convert will recommend a commercial solution if it does not have available software engineers (most common), or if it does either industry standard (Java / Micorsoft) or open source solutions. 3) The University department is reliant on the rubber stamp from the IT Department to gain the required project funding The relative merits of the technology have little to do with the decision - again the human factors are more important. Remove a student or department from this catch-22 and they would often choose Rev - otherwise they go for an industry standard or open source solution for career or ideological reasons. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 16/03/07, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are many developers available. 2) Buy a commercial package 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations. Strange I agree with most of yours! If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all? It's my prefered development platform. I can do pretty well anything I need with it, more reliably and faster than with any other platform. These arguments could be used against any desktop application Which is why rightly or wrongly desktop apps are moving increasingly to web based apps. For apps that can oly be delivered on the desktop your arguments hold strong - it may be that this is true for Signe's app - but there are less justifications now than there used to be for Desktop apps. I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work great and continue to do so for the forseeable future. Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast (with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't picture it in the courses I know about. I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify. 3) is a bit of a shorthand, and I'd agree with your caution. I tried to word what I said without promising it to be an easy path. Most open source projects are a have for bugs and truly shoddy work. The larger communities are pretty solid by now though - personally i find Firefox rock solid and upgrading basic installations of MediaWiki or WordPress are in the main done for you with a one click upgrade in many hosting set-ups - its the custom bits and small projects that cause the problems. Again this says to me - go with the people not the technology (both WordPress and MediaWiki are not strong technically) - as the upgrades come for free. A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given - the time taken with your reply is no exception. My advice was to stick with a human centered approach - if there is a Rev developer or a teacher that wants to learn stick with that - if not don't encourage the university to put more resources into an application without the human resources to mange the inevitable change in requirements. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena? Cheers, Luis. On 17 Mar 2007, at 5:40, Bill Marriott wrote: I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free upgrade, as 2.9 will be. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Luis, Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena? I'm not sure what's unclear about what I wrote. Maybe you mean, it's unusual to charge for an update when a future one will be free. But that's the way it is. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Strange I agree with most of yours! That's the power of logic for you ;) Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast (with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't picture it in the courses I know about. The point about updating the content is valid; however if there is a facility, or front-end, for doing this with the app(s) in question, that may not be a consideration. I'm sure there's a wide range of universities... dynamic ones like Brigham Young and perhaps more conservative ones. But let's say that Signe's is one of the faster-moving ones and it would need to be updated based on changing requirements A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given [...] My advice was to stick with a human centered approach - if there is a Rev developer or a teacher that wants to learn stick with that - if not don't encourage the university to put more resources into an application without the human resources to mange the inevitable change in requirements. I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and make any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get past the research/requirements phase. That's the great strength of our beloved platform. I can do pretty well anything I need with [Revolution], more reliably and faster than with any other platform. Ah, maybe we agree after all! - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should re-build the portal standalone with the latest rev engine. In my view that would help legacy stacks survive longer. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you say the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8 would I have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both systems be present at the same time? Signe Marie ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Hello Signe Marie, I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should re-build the portal standalone with the latest rev engine. In my view that would help legacy stacks survive longer. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you say the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8 would I have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both systems be present at the same time? No no, you don't have to install VISTA to use 2.8, have mercy :-D 2.8 is the latest Rev (or MC engine) release and is now compatible with Windows VISTA, that's all. Signe Marie Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
Signe - while I'd agree with the purely technical advice given, I'd have to be frank and say that I would never advise the University to do this. It would be a waisted effort in my opinion for you or the university to spend any further resources on software that neither has an internal developer available or proper external support. They have in my opinion three options: 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are many developers available. 2) Buy a commercial package 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy The first 2 will involve a significant up front cost, and most likely result in limited (perhaps severely limited) functionality compared with a RunRev approach, but will work out in the longer run. Either of these are the safe bet. The last approach means a painstaking and somewhat risky attempt to share development resources with other similar institutions and members of this community (you mentioned Sivakatirswami). Unfortunately the present community is not set up to develop open source projects where there is not a strong vested interest (the Metacard IDE). This will I believe and hope will change for the better in the near future. It has the advantage of costing only time - but that is a cost. It also has no guarantee of success, but putting more time into upgrading RunRev based software - without the likelihood of gaining another dedicated developer is not going to work either. If you think you would like to explore the latter (3), my guess is you may get a few people on this list interested enough to look at how we could host and develop shared code for use in Educational environments (you can include me) - if there is a will within the University and it matches a similar need outside - then you have an open source project. That backed with a little petty cash to pay developers (not me :) from this list and your in business. If not I'd advise against using Rev and go for 1) or 2). Hope that doesn't put a downer on things. On 16/03/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should re-build the portal standalone with the latest rev engine. In my view that would help legacy stacks survive longer. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you say the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8would I have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both systems be present at the same time? Signe Marie ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
David, 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are many developers available. 2) Buy a commercial package 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations. There's no guarantee (and I would argue, little potential) that these paths are going to ensure better long-term survivability than a Rev-based application that is running just fine on Windows Vista and Mac OS X today. Regarding #1) - So-called standard web technology is a moving target, faster-moving even than operating systems. - It's a lot of development work and testing to get something approaching interactive multimedia on all major browser platforms today. - When you do so, you're still relying on underlying multimedia libraries - Revolution out-of-the-box provides superior capabilities for the end-user experience. Regarding #2) - There's very likely no such animal as an existing off-the-shelf product that does exactly what the existing solution does. - Shoe-horning the solution into a product that might be close enough is simply trading one set of problems for another. - Commercial products ain't free Regarding #3) - This is typical pie-in-the-sky open source solves everything wishful thinking and hand-waving - Most of the issues that pertain to #2 and #3 apply here - Anyone who's worked with open source knows it has its own bugs, issues and traps Now, at BEST what you are saying is that you should spend significant time/effort/money NOW to solve a problem that may not occur for several years, if at all. Why? For all we know, the solution works fine as-is on current operating systems. If for some reason it doesn't (I suppose Vista is the most vulnerable) then, just grab Revolution 2.8 and re-save the standalone. Voila, you've just added 5 to 10 years of compatibility. At WORST you are saying you should throw out perfectly good work for dubious returns with little guarantee that the end result will have the same functions and user experience... just because. Vista just came out yesterday and Intel-based Macs are not that much older. Do you really think a new generation of operating systems is going to be released imminently -- OSes that will somehow by default and unavoidably break hundreds of existing applications? And that large organizations are going to adopt that new paradigm, replace their hardware, and sacrifice their software infrastructure ... overnight? Now a meta-comment: If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all? These arguments could be used against any desktop application built with Rev, and undermine anyone trying to sell software based on the Rev platform. For what it's worth, when I was testing Windows Vista I ran a standalone I created in July 2003 with Rev without recompiling. It worked just great. Of course I wasn't doing tricky stuff like registry edits but then again, how many standalones do that, and what is the chance an educational solution does so? The truth is, Rev is the one development platform that just works across a vast array of operating systems and versions. You can run it on Windows 98. You can run it on Mac OS X 10.4.9. Yeah, I know there are glitches here and there, and you have to use 2.6.1 for Linux and Mac Classic (that will change). But understand that it DOES work and is remarkably robust. I'm not sure if MetaCard was available in 1997, but for all intents and purposes, those stacks still work fine a DECADE later, on both Windows 98 and Vista. As for resources there are thousands of users of Rev, more each day, and I'm sure any of them would appreciate a referral for consulting should that dark day arrive when the apps finally, really do have to be updated or replaced. THAT is the time to worry about putting the train on different tracks... not today. (The Aztecs seem to think it's all over in 2012. Whatever comes first -- Rev apps breaking or the end of the world.) I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work great and continue to do so for the forseeable future. I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify. - Bill ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should re-build the portal standalone with the latest rev engine. In my view that would help legacy stacks survive longer. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you say the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8 would I have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both systems be present at the same time? I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free upgrade, as 2.9 will be. The comments of others indicate that chances are very high that Rev apps and stacks will just work on Vista. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote: So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http. Signe, I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I'm developing a similar approach with Rev, which I'm calling the Learning Web. You can take a look at it by downloading the beta version at Mac OS X: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_MacOSX.dmg Windows: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_setup.exe A couple of people on the list have allowed me to link to stacks they've created as a demonstration of the concept. There are also links to a couple of stacks I've created and one that one of my students did. We ought to explore the creation of a repository of web-based instructional stacks that could be run in this way. Tell me what you think. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free upgrade, as 2.9 will be. - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement. - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date. Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Duration of non supported applications
Hello to the list After having used MetaCard since 1989 I'm now retiring from my job and there is no one to follow up my work. Both I and the institute are worried about further usage of the educational programs I have developed for various foreign languages at our University. Many of the programs are purely textual, whereas some make use of QuickTime (only on Mac) and Microsoft Multimedia Tools for sound and graphic files. So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http. My questions to the group: If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as they are with no urgent need to change anything, for how many years can we count on their functioning? 5? 10? Should I convert them all to latest version of Revolution? Would this secure a longer life for them? Can we count on a contiuous existence of QuickTime and Microsoft Multimedia Tools when new systems arrive? I would be happy to hear your opions. Signe Marie Sanne ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:23:45 +0100, Signe Marie Sanne wrote: So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http. My questions to the group: If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as they are with no urgent need to change anything, for how many years can we count on their functioning? 5? 10? Well, that would depend on how often the computers they're running on get upgraded with new operating systems, etc. If they never get upgraded, they will last as long as the computer can last at the institute. Unfortunately, if they *do* get upgraded, there's no way to tell whether something in a new OS will cause a program to fail - for example, the latest post about the Daylight Savings Time bug would cause date-oriented applications to fail unless they are patched to work. Should I convert them all to latest version of Revolution? Would this secure a longer life for them? Well, for *Macs*, I'd say you should upgrade them. The reason is that 2.6.6 is not Intel or Universal Binary, so it's currently running under Rosetta. Eventually Apple will discontinue Rosetta support (much as it discontinued Classic support), so if you upgrade to the latest Rev you will at least be sure that if Rosetta goes away it won't affect your program. Can we count on a contiuous existence of QuickTime and Microsoft Multimedia Tools when new systems arrive? Once again, it's hard to project too far into the future, but I'd have to say that Apple has such a strategic investment in QuickTime, so that would indicate to me that QT will be here for a LONG time. As to Microsoft Multimedia Tools - that's anyone's guess. If you're talking specifically about Windows Media Player, I would say based on past history that some form of WMP will be around for a long time as well. Hope this helps, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Duration of non supported applications
On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Ken Ray wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:23:45 +0100, Signe Marie Sanne wrote: So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http. My questions to the group: If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as they are with no urgent need to change anything, for how many years can we count on their functioning? 5? 10? Well, that would depend on how often the computers they're running on get upgraded with new operating systems, etc. If they never get upgraded, they will last as long as the computer can last at the institute. Unfortunately, if they *do* get upgraded, there's no way to tell whether something in a new OS will cause a program to fail - for example, the latest post about the Daylight Savings Time bug would cause date-oriented applications to fail unless they are patched to I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should re-build the portal standalone with the latest rev engine. In my view that would help legacy stacks survive longer. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
