Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I agree. Email is a more convenient way to receive and browse information (hey, I don't have to do anything to get it) when there are 10 or 20 messages a day. A graph of recent activity on this list would look pretty steep. And though I think it has had some of the characteristics of a spike, I don't think it really is a spike. And we have to go to the archives anyway to search by threads (though it doesn't cross month boundaries!). Of course all this might mean I should unsubscribe from this list and remind myself daily to check the archives . . . Charles Hartman On Dec 14, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Rishi Viner wrote: I agree wtih Dan and Greg, A forum is a much better vehicle for building a community. I've participated on a number of things, forum based and mailing list based, and the forum experience wins hands down. These communities are so big they could not operate on a mailing list format: http://forums.gentoo.org/ http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forumlist.asp http://contribs.org/ modules/pbboard/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I say just do it... You can set it up such that you don't step on their toes. One of the forums can be for this list, the rest of the forums can be more specific. Participants can have the option, when they post a message to one of the more specific forums, to have it automatically post to this list. Just be careful to avoid some sort of recursion problem where a posting bounces back and forth. Just my thoughts, Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:26 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space? I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it enables mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even though I have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire because: (a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b) without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it elsewhere. On 12/14/05, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for facilitating the Revolution Community at large. A forum would provide for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general topic categories, accordingly. The mailing list requires reading through too much quoted material and too many re: . . . . topic headings. It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format. I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind supplying the forum basics, since the raw forum format is provided by my web hosting service. I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community could benefit from this, instead. The moderators could remain the moderators. It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new Revolution learner. I also strongly suggest refraining from using the Yahoo Groups format, it is nowhere near as friendly as the standard kind. Let me know if I can help, Sincerely, Greg Smith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I also would be more than happy to participate in Dan's forum if it were set up --as long as it interacted with this list. I really believe it is a much better solution that meets everybody's needs. Dennis On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I say just do it... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
Setting up a forum just isn't that hard. For a wiz like Dan, it should be a snap. That gmane interface is fine - but it isn't really like having a proper forum set up, with all the different categories and subcategories. So, um... go Dan! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:21 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space? I also would be more than happy to participate in Dan's forum if it were set up --as long as it interacted with this list. I really believe it is a much better solution that meets everybody's needs. Dennis On Dec 15, 2005, at 9:55 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: I say just do it... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
FWIW: www.ExpertsExchange.cm is a fantastic resource... requires paid membership, but it's model is marvelous, it's categorization of issues along the lines of both programs as well as program areas is so well done. I can have a thread going under CSS and another one under XML and a third one running under Apache, and a 4th one under CGI, and a 5th one under Mac sys admin with experts in each area working on my queries etc. but still see all my open questions in one fell swoop. at the risk of further bifurcation should Rev ever become open source enough (there are tech areas on EE for proprietary software like Photoshop, which have become so all pervasive as to be virtually open source in terms of usage...) to gain recognition for an area on ExpertsExchange, it would be major publicity bump for Rev. ExpertsExchange has 3,460,759 IT professional Members www.expertsexchange.com If our great sages of xTalk were to propose category areas like they have at EE, but just for Rev only, inside a new forum, this would be a big leap forward. rev-multi-media; rev-database; rev-crunching text; rev-working with Fields; etc. On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:28 PM, Rishi Viner wrote: Mailing lists are OK when you are passing through 10 messages a day, but this thing is just not practical. Come on rev, let Dan mirror your list and make you the moderators of the new forum. You could even brand it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for facilitating the Revolution Community at large. A forum would provide for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general topic categories, accordingly. The mailing list requires reading through too much quoted material and too many re: . . . . topic headings. It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format. I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind supplying the forum basics, since the raw forum format is provided by my web hosting service. I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community could benefit from this, instead. The moderators could remain the moderators. It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new Revolution learner. I also strongly suggest refraining from using the Yahoo Groups format, it is nowhere near as friendly as the standard kind. Let me know if I can help, Sincerely, Greg Smith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it enables mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even though I have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire because: (a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b) without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it elsewhere. On 12/14/05, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for facilitating the Revolution Community at large. A forum would provide for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general topic categories, accordingly. The mailing list requires reading through too much quoted material and too many re: . . . . topic headings. It is a snap to find those topics you are particularly interested in reading about and responding to, using the forum format. I've got quite a bit of room on my service, and wouldn't mind supplying the forum basics, since the raw forum format is provided by my web hosting service. I'm not using it, so maybe the Revolution Community could benefit from this, instead. The moderators could remain the moderators. It would be an enormous convenience to me, a new Revolution learner. I also strongly suggest refraining from using the Yahoo Groups format, it is nowhere near as friendly as the standard kind. Let me know if I can help, Sincerely, Greg Smith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How About a Forum, I'll Supply the Space?
I agree wtih Dan and Greg, A forum is a much better vehicle for building a community. I've participated on a number of things, forum based and mailing list based, and the forum experience wins hands down. These communities are so big they could not operate on a mailing list format: http://forums.gentoo.org/ http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forumlist.asp http://contribs.org/modules/pbboard/ Mailing lists are OK when you are passing through 10 messages a day, but this thing is just not practical. Come on rev, let Dan mirror your list and make you the moderators of the new forum. You could even brand it. The forum is a much better way to search for the support you need. Quoting Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have free access to some of the best forum software around and it enables mail-list mirroring and participation in the forum via email in both directions. I've offered several times to mirror this list there but the response has been non-existent. I've hesitated to set this uip even though I have the software, the bandwidth, the disk capacity and the desire because: (a) RunRev seems to take the position that they own this list; and (b) without their permission, therefore, it seems ill-advised to mirror it elsewhere. On 12/14/05, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Dan Shafer in both of his opinions - the community is too small already and that a mailing list is the worst possible vehicle for facilitating the Revolution Community at large. A forum would provide for all of the possible areas of discussion by segregating the general topic categories, accordingly. The mailing list requires reading -- Rishi Viner PUREDATA www.puredata.com.au ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
