Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
François Cuneo wrote: Je vais voir si je peux mettre un thème Revolution sur notre forum. J'avertirai ici si ça se fait. -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most we speak about RR/MC,... and it would be cool to speak about it, in french, for the froggies we allready are ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Thank you for all your answers. I'm really not sure that it's a bug as Klaus says. One more time, I had exactly the same problem with RealBasic and the file's names. I had a conversion with a variable to do with UTF8 and all was in order. So maybe I'll put the problem in the bug database but... If somebody finds something with the UTF8 (I'm sure that here is the solution)... Friendly François Actually, it sounds like a bug since it is Rev that should make this conversion for you (and makes it correctly during the initial save). Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Ok, so it's a bug. I hope it will be corrected in the next release! Friendly François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] De : Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Répondre à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:10:08 +0200 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. Thank you for all your answers. I'm really not sure that it's a bug as Klaus says. One more time, I had exactly the same problem with RealBasic and the file's names. I had a conversion with a variable to do with UTF8 and all was in order. So maybe I'll put the problem in the bug database but... If somebody finds something with the UTF8 (I'm sure that here is the solution)... Friendly François Actually, it sounds like a bug since it is Rev that should make this conversion for you (and makes it correctly during the initial save). Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Révolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain R©volution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Révolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
On Saturday, Aug 9, 2003, at 00:21 Europe/Vienna, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to intrude, but I DON'T speak French... And as far as I know, our Scottish friends from RR and a lot of other people on this list don't either, so do you mind posting in English? Maybe we can be of any assistance when we know what you are talking about... me too, but please let them speak french if they prefer it... If they think that other should understand it too, then they will change to english, -- Imho And for the lack of French documentation: So what? There is no German, Spanish, Dutch documentation either... Not being able to use special characters: ok, bddd Revolution, nice to have Bugzilla... maybe I have missed something, but what the real tool for us now Revolution or Bugzilla...=;0) regards Wolfgang M. Bereuter Learn easy with trainingsmaps© INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria ... http://www.internettrainer.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution,aaaaargh.
Sorry to intrude, but I DON'T speak French... I don't either, but Babelfish works wonders in translation... http://babelfish.altavista.com Whenever I see a non-English post, I just go there and I can understand what's being said (although I'd had to reply in Babelfish-created French! ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution,aaaaargh.
Bonjour Pierre, Le problème, c'est que lorsqu'on débute, on ne peut pas donner beaucoup! J'ai une licence complète, ne t'inquiète pas:-) Je crois avoir vu que le bug est corrigé et tout sera rentré dans l'ordre dans une prochaine version! Il s'agit bien d'un problème de conversion UTF8, héhé, j'avais raison! Amicalement François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] De : Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] Société : Pierre Sahores Répondre à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : Fri, 08 Aug 2003 23:15:42 +0200 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. Bonjour François, J'ai, moi-aussi, lu et apprécié l'article de première classe que tu as consacré à Revolution 2.0.1. Ne te décourage pas pour ces quelques retards à tes demandes d'explications. Les listes Revolution et Metacard sont en pleine ébulition, ces derniers temps et beaucoup de ceux qui, comme moi, auraient, habituellement, trouvé le temps de te répondre rapidement ne l'ont, simplement, pas fait parce que l'attention des listiers se focalise actuellement sur les conséquences, heureusement, de plus en plus prévisibles et rassurantes, du rachat de Metacard par Revolution. Pour les questions précises sur l'usage des caractères accentués dans les noms de fichiers, je ne sais pas répondre et je le regrette mais interroge, de ma part, Scott Raney. Je sais qu'il saura prendre le temps de t'expliquer quoi faire et, aussi, pourquoi le faire, et qu'en d'autres termes, il saura te rassurer sur le sérieux du Team RR/MC en matière de support aux utilisateurs. Je n'ai jamais eu, pour ma part, à attendre plus de six heures, une demande d'information directement adressée au support utilisateur de Metacard. Revolution traverse actuellement une petite crise de croissance mais je peux t'assurer, connaissant les travaux, l'expérience et la notoriété xtalkienne de la plupart des équipiers du team RunTime Revolution, Kevin, Scott, Tuviah, Jeanne,...et de leurs proches partenaires, tels, parmi d'autres, Richard Gaskin, Chipp Walters ou Jacqueline Landman Gay, que le nombre de neurones au centimêtre-carré tend à croitre considérablement dès que l'on s'approche de près de la communauté des développeurs RR/MC. Prends le temps de t'habituer aux codes, à l'étiquette, qui préside aux échanges sur la liste RR/MC. In fine, une seule loi gouverne, entre nous, toutes les autres : plus tu aides les autres par des réponses utiles et ciblées et plus les autres se montreront prompts à répondre à tes propres demandes..., tout celà n'étant rien de moins que la marque de l'élégances et du respect mutuel qui préside aux relations qui se tissent, au fil du temps, entre les colistiers, toujours heureux de pouvoir proposer et échanger les solutions qui nous permettent de coder mieux et plus vite les solutions les plus adéquates. Considère toi comme l'un de ces joueurs d'échecs tout fraichement débarqué dans un club où tout le monde serait classé au-delà de 2000 ELO, toi, y compris, mais où personne ne te connaitrait encore. Prends le temps, y compris, d'acquérir une licence de base de Revolution pour le tester sérieusement (je me souviens n'avoir rien su faire d'interessant avec le starter-kit, avant de prendre ma première licence) et je prends le pari que tu me remercieras, avant longtemps :-) Bien chaleureusement, Pierre Le Vendredi, 8 aoû 2003, à 12:15 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Message: 7 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:24:51 +0200 Subject: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Cuneo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Révolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain R©volution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Révolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution,aaaaargh.
Ken Ray wrote: Sorry to intrude, but I DON'T speak French... I don't either, but Babelfish works wonders in translation... http://babelfish.altavista.com Whenever I see a non-English post, I just go there and I can understand what's being said (although I'd had to reply in Babelfish-created French! ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution OK, OK, I promise i will no more use to much French, nor German, nor Latin to speak in between us with our Swedish or Dutch Friends ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution,aaaaargh.
Hello François, If you need help in french, don't hesitate, just mail your question (in french of course !) to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Revolution is great, don't give it up ! Je serais ravi de pouvoir vous aider... si je peux. (translation : I'll be happy to help you... if I can !) Have a nice day, Roger; 8/08/03 9:24, François Cuneo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote recently : Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Révolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain R©volution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Révolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Bonjour François, Après avoir lu ton article sur Revolution je suis à deux doigts de l'acheter. Malheureusement je vois plusieurs points négatifs: - absence de documentation en français - absence d'une version française du programme (je ne parle pas de Transcript) - mes recherches sur le net m'indiquent que la communauté Revolution n'est pas très importante ou alors pas très active - cette liste n'est pas très pratique. Un vrai forum serait bien plus agréable - je constate que les concepteurs de Revolution n'ont pas intérêt à ce que la communauté soit active car les licences n'étant pas très cher, il faut bien vendre du support. Un idée: tu devrais ouvrir une rubrique dans le forum de cuk.ch pour la communauté Revolution Je vais donc encore attendre avant d'acquérir Revolution. Meilleurs messages. Jérôme Le Vendredi, 8 aoû 2003, à 12:15 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Message: 7 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:24:51 +0200 Subject: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Cuneo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Révolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain R©volution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Révolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Is a forum necessary? (was Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.)
A list is much more easier to manage on the user side than a forum!!! The only point is that each participant has to write cleary the subject and the subject has to be changed each time the discussion inside it is running out the intial subject... (but this is also true for forums...) - Original Message - From: Jérôme Rosat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. - cette liste n'est pas très pratique. Un vrai forum serait bien plus agréable ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
Bonjour Franois, J'ai, moi-aussi, lu et apprci l'article de premire classe que tu as consacr Revolution 2.0.1. Ne te dcourage pas pour ces quelques retards tes demandes d'explications. Les listes Revolution et Metacard sont en pleine bulition, ces derniers temps et beaucoup de ceux qui, comme moi, auraient, habituellement, trouv le temps de te rpondre rapidement ne l'ont, simplement, pas fait parce que l'attention des listiers se focalise actuellement sur les consquences, heureusement, de plus en plus prvisibles et rassurantes, du rachat de Metacard par Revolution. Pour les questions prcises sur l'usage des caractres accentus dans les noms de fichiers, je ne sais pas rpondre et je le regrette mais interroge, de ma part, Scott Raney. Je sais qu'il saura prendre le temps de t'expliquer quoi faire et, aussi, pourquoi le faire, et qu'en d'autres termes, il saura te rassurer sur le srieux du Team RR/MC en matire de support aux utilisateurs. Je n'ai jamais eu, pour ma part, attendre plus de six heures, une demande d'information directement adresse au support utilisateur de Metacard. Revolution traverse actuellement une petite crise de croissance mais je peux t'assurer, connaissant les travaux, l'exprience et la notorit xtalkienne de la plupart des quipiers du team RunTime Revolution, Kevin, Scott, Tuviah, Jeanne,...et de leurs proches partenaires, tels, parmi d'autres, Richard Gaskin, Chipp Walters ou Jacqueline Landman Gay, que le nombre de neurones au centimtre-carr tend croitre considrablement ds que l'on s'approche de prs de la communaut des dveloppeurs RR/MC. Prends le temps de t'habituer aux codes, l'tiquette, qui prside aux changes sur la liste RR/MC. In fine, une seule loi gouverne, entre nous, toutes les autres : plus tu aides les autres par des rponses utiles et cibles et plus les autres se montreront prompts rpondre tes propres demandes..., tout cel n'tant rien de moins que la marque de l'lgances et du respect mutuel qui prside aux relations qui se tissent, au fil du temps, entre les colistiers, toujours heureux de pouvoir proposer et changer les solutions qui nous permettent de coder mieux et plus vite les solutions les plus adquates. Considre toi comme l'un de ces joueurs d'checs tout fraichement dbarqu dans un club o tout le monde serait class au-del de 2000 ELO, toi, y compris, mais o personne ne te connaitrait encore. Prends le temps, y compris, d'acqurir une licence de base de Revolution pour le tester srieusement (je me souviens n'avoir rien su faire d'interessant avec le starter-kit, avant de prendre ma premire licence) et je prends le pari que tu me remercieras, avant longtemps :-) Bien chaleureusement, Pierre Le Vendredi, 8 ao 2003, 12:15 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a crit : Message: 7 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:24:51 +0200 Subject: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. From: Fran=?ISO-8859-1?B?5w==?=ois Cuneo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Rvolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain Rvolution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Rvolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly Franois -- Franois Cuneo Site Web ddi au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage comptitif
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
I'm also a French speaking user. I never used accent in files names and don't find this is a major problem at all. Of course if this can be corrected easily I don't see why it shouldn't: there numerous languages with special non-english characters... André - Original Message - From: François Cuneo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, argh. Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! If you save a file like Save this stack as Révolution.rev I obtain the first time that seems to be e good file. But When I open and I save again the file I obtain R^©volution.rev~ that prohibs Revolution to save correctly the stack. So I have asked how to correct that. The answser from Yves (save as Whatever.rev and rename it to Révolution.rev works only if I don't open the stack another time in the same session (the files stays im memory, so it's impossible to open it again) I have asked about UTF8 conversion of the files names (I'm sure that here is the problem, I had exactly the same with RealBasic, and it was corrected with a conversion) but I had no answer. I have asked about how to purge a stack, no answer. So I think that I don't have a solution, and for me (and for all people that use diacritical char), that is a basic necessity. And I'm sorry but I think that Revolution is not for me. The problem, that I have writed a review about Revolution (some thousands have read it) and I say that Revolution is THE solution for all people that have used languages like Hypertalk and maybe for all that whant to begin to write applications. The review is here (http://www.cuk.ch/articles/tests) I think that I have to change something in my review. So maybe it is one of my last messages on this list. For me, it's terrible but it's like that. Friendly François -- François Cuneo Site Web dédié au Macintosh http://www.cuk.ch E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I speak French, so I think that I can't use Revolution, aaaaargh.
I'm sorry to hear you're having problems with Rev. Before you give up completely, why don't you report your problem to the bug database? That's really the only way of getting the development team alerted. And just because something doesn't work now, doesn't mean that it won't get fixed in the next release. Cordialement, T. Am Freitag, 08.08.03 um 09:24 Uhr schrieb Franois Cuneo: Hello everybody, I'm sorry, but I have asked a lot of questions this last days and I have no answer (just one from Yves) about something that maybe prohibs me to use Revolution. Why? Because I think that's it is impossible to use what all people who speaks French does: use our char in File's names! ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
