Re: Into the flamefest
On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:58 PM, capellan (sent by Nabble.com) wrote: On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: I am rebuilding my homepage and there'll be a section on my Application Framework or Paradigm called Alfred that is the stack controlling everything I said on top. Alfred.. Like the Batman's Majordomo, Alfred Pennyworth? :-)) yes, it's called after Bruce Wayne majordomo, it's supposed to save my life and make some tea at the same time! :-) -- Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com: http://www.nabble.com/Into-the-flamefest-t685060.html#a1841569 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I am rebuilding my homepage and there'll be a section on my > Application Framework or Paradigm called Alfred that is the stack > controlling everything I said on top. Alfred.. Like the Batman's Majordomo, Alfred Pennyworth? :-)) -- Sent from the Revolution - User forum at Nabble.com: http://www.nabble.com/Into-the-flamefest-t685060.html#a1841569 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
On Dec 6, 2005, at 10:24 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Todd- Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 3:34:39 PM, you wrote: Hi Andre, I would love to hear more about how you are using rev as an extension to Mac OS X. Could you elaborate on how you are extending the built in apps (with some screen shots?) ...I feel a Malta conference session topic raising its head... Don't know if the thing deserves a such high importance, but you guys will see soon and be able to tell me how well the thing works. Cheers andre -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
Todd- Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 3:34:39 PM, you wrote: > Hi Andre, > I would love to hear more about how you are using rev as an extension > to Mac OS X. Could you elaborate on how you are extending the built > in apps (with some screen shots?) ...I feel a Malta conference session topic raising its head... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Todd Higgins wrote: I would love to hear more about how you are using rev as an extension to Mac OS X. Could you elaborate on how you are extending the built in apps (with some screen shots?) Todd, I am rebuilding my homepage and there'll be a section on my Application Framework or Paradigm called Alfred that is the stack controlling everything I said on top. Even downloads will be available shortly. You'll see tons of photos and text. cheers andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
Hi Andre, I would love to hear more about how you are using rev as an extension to Mac OS X. Could you elaborate on how you are extending the built in apps (with some screen shots?) Thanks -- Todd Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 6, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: I have my own mailers and rich text editor. I have my own image browsing and screen grabber tool. I have interfaces from Rev to iCal, AddressBook, Apple Mail and the Terminal. Revolution is becoming more than a simple IDE for me and it's becoming a crucial part of my computing experience. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
Andre Garzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS: ... Err... I own 3 newtons, sorry, use them everyday, sorry, even > with WIFI :-) Hehe... I got recently a MP 130 (a "new" unit) Somewhat hard to synchronize to the Mac though... No Rev solution ? -- Revolutionario ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
From: "David Burgun" 1200 Baud modems are the key to a happy life. You got 1200baud?! I was thrilled to move from a 110baud, strap-on-the-phone-mouthpiece acoustic modem to the great-guns 300baud phone cradle modem. And now you say they make 1200baud modems? Where will it stop?! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
On Dec 6, 2005, at 6:31 AM, Jerry Saperstein wrote: Some of the zealots and self-promoters here are furious that someone dared criticize the object of their passion. Jerry, I was one of the first persons to reply to your email, I don't think I was furious or rude but if you were offended by my email, sorry, english is not my native language and although I try my best to use it correctly but mistakes happens. You said that Rev was unable to deliver business solutions. There are folks here deploying business solutions since HyperCard, MetaCard, SuperCard and every other xTalk in existance, please don't dismiss their work with a simple paragraph. I know folks here that deployied solutions since I was a toddler with a videogame wondering if those lemmings won't fall from the screen. As for your remark of those business solutions being vague or hoax- like, all I can say is about my solutions. Most of my business apps were created on a contractual basis and are protected by NDA so I can't show you or make them available for download. Some parts of the code, which I own, I share with everyone and that includes code for all kinds of business needs like networking, servers, database and stuff. Now trying to take this conversation to a happy level, can you tell us more about your trouble? What are you trying to accomplish? There are tasks that Rev is not suited, we always talk about that, for example, I share a simple HTTP server with people here but always tell them that the server was not built to handle thousands of connections and serve heavy traffic websites, but it's suited to small groups and custom solutions. I see myself as an evangelist for Revolution, I never was a Zealot, I hope that if you'd share your tasks with us, we can help you to see how Rev can work for you or if it can't. Revolution is an xTalk platform, some things are very quick to do in xTalk, others are not so forward, some people like it, others can't stand it. No language is made for everyone, I for one hate C++ and will only touch such language in extreme cases and only if there's no other options, on the other hand I love lisp and scheme and till today I make lot's of little tools for me in lisp just because I like coding in it. I begun to realize this days that I spend more and more time in the Rev IDE having written many tools for my own that I am able to work without leaving the IDE (much like some folks with Squeak), I have my own mailers and rich text editor. I have my own image browsing and screen grabber tool. I have interfaces from Rev to iCal, AddressBook, Apple Mail and the Terminal. Revolution is becoming more than a simple IDE for me and it's becoming a crucial part of my computing experience. Why this? Is it because Rev is a God Send and the Final Language of The World? No. This is happening because Rev is a perfect match for my needs and wishes, it's on personal level, it suits the way I think. I begun to understand Rev after talking to many folks in here like Richard, Chipp, Jacque, Dan, Dar, Scott and Trevor and... heck, I'll quote the whole userbase if I go like this. They were (and still are) much more experienced than me. It was seeing their code and their insights that I came to enjoy rev and finally understand what it was all about - for example, the message hierarchy system is nothing I've seen in other languages, but without it, you can't really enjoy Rev. I moved to Rev after coding in C, Pascal, Basic and Lisp. I was a PC guy moved to Macs and needed to deploy cross platform solutions. I choosed REALBasic first because I used Delphi and VB in the PC and that language was similar to me and I was pretty happy with the conventional approach. I never saw HyperCard but heard that my favorite game was built with it, and a guy that I respected much - Michael Swaine of DDJ - kept shouting about metacard, revolution and stuff. When MacOS X came into being, I could not upgrade my RB, the first carbon betas were flawed and the sunden change in their socket routines rendered all my code bogus. I decided to try that MetaCard thing, launched it, couldn't do nothing with it, deleted it, kept using RB... only many months later, with the Rev Starter kit and this list I started understanding rev. I never moved back, but, my love with rev was not on the first glance, it took me a while, maybe if you tell us what you're trying to do, we'll be able to help you and then maybe some of this love will came to you. Cheers, Good Luck, Andre PS: ... Err... I own 3 newtons, sorry, use them everyday, sorry, even with WIFI :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Into the flamefest
As you put it so well "If you don't agree with him and he doesn't seem to be willing to change his mind (he's asking for a refund) just let it go, no need to attack him personally on or off the list." I once get threatened with being beaten to death for daring to say it was a silly idea to wrap the Quicktime APIs in a C++ Wrapper! The internet does stange things to people 1200 Baud modems are the key to a happy life. Bye for now! Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
For me, the most interesting aspect of typical flame wars is the persistent demonstration of logical fallicies offered by participants on all sides. http://members.tripod.com/AttitudeAdjustment/Books/Logic.htm provides a useful summary. In the heat of the flame, personalities lose their multidimensional quality and collapse down to their core structure, well-illustrated at http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm From a purely logical standpoint, all programming tools and languages have their identifying strengths and shortcomings. The first job of the programmer is to understand the problem. Selecting the tool is the second job. If a chosen tool is unsuitable to the task at hand, cast it aside and try another. It is a poor carpenter who blames his tools for the quality of his work, or who faults the work of others solely for the tools they use. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
Well said, Sean. Jerry,... The most i love in about Rev = the most i love in about creation : to take a problem and to drive it to its most usefull attendee result solution... Many Thanks to anyone there, in Boulder and in Edimburg, whose helped us in about software to gohead in this way over the years ;-) -- That's all for yet, Friends, Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores "A partir du moment où on évolue dans une activité où il n'y a pas de place pour la fanfaronnade, on est obligé de tomber sur des personnages d'exception. Tous ces gens sont au limiteur." Pierre Dupasquier ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Into the flamefest
Well said, Sean. Some of the zealots and self-promoters here are furious that someone dared criticize the object of their passion. A few of the private e-mails I've received are magnificient: sputtering, fuming, accusing and indicative of conditions well described in the DSM. You got it right: I've asked for a refund and offered my opinion. Aside from amusing me with their impotent rhetoric, the flamers add nothing to anything, a fact they'll never understand. As you put it so well "If you don't agree with him and he doesn't seem to be willing to change his mind (he's asking for a refund) just let it go, no need to attack him personally on or off the list." But it may be one of the few things some know how to do, even if they can't do it well. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Shao Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:15 AM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Into the flamefest Holy bat guana Batman, what a noisy list lately!! Abso-freakin-lutely nothing lately has really been about "using" Revolution or anything of the sort. "What a joke you are." That and someone's comment about RunRev being in Scotland are the best so far to date.. How much longer will the flaming continue? If you don't agree with him and he doesn't seem to be willing to change his mind (he's asking for a refund) just let it go, no need to attack him personally on or off the list.. -Sean ps.. Thanks to the person smart enough to [snip] 200 lines of code from their reply pss.. Yes, I'm tired and b!tchy ^_^ _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Into the flamefest
Holy bat guana Batman, what a noisy list lately!! Abso-freakin-lutely nothing lately has really been about "using" Revolution or anything of the sort. "What a joke you are." That and someone's comment about RunRev being in Scotland are the best so far to date.. How much longer will the flaming continue? If you don't agree with him and he doesn't seem to be willing to change his mind (he's asking for a refund) just let it go, no need to attack him personally on or off the list.. -Sean ps.. Thanks to the person smart enough to [snip] 200 lines of code from their reply pss.. Yes, I'm tired and b!tchy ^_^ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
