LiveCode 4.5 License model
Hi all, Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet? To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It will take you directly there. Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. How does that make you feel? Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out. I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling. Maybe that will have to change for me. What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I don't see a license model for that. Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware. Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you realize how much your costs have increased? I'm just saying... so you are all aware. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On 09/21/2010 08:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Hi all, Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet? To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It will take you directly there. Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. How does that make you feel? Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out. I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling. Maybe that will have to change for me. What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I don't see a license model for that. Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware. Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you realize how much your costs have increased? I'm just saying... so you are all aware. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ Well, nothing really wrong with sticking with RunRev 4.0: I make almost all my freeware using RunRev 2.0.1 ! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price is bad at all. If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero is $1320. Best wishes Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.comwrote: On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price is bad at all. If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
I'm feeling the same as well... :( --- On Tue, 21/9/10, Mark Stuart mstu...@adaptcrm.com wrote: From: Mark Stuart mstu...@adaptcrm.com Subject: LiveCode 4.5 License model To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 5:00 PM Hi all, Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet? To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It will take you directly there. Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. How does that make you feel? Unless I'm mistaken on this yearly maintenance fee, I don't think I'll be maintaining my yearly upgrades from here on out. I can't afford that money, when I don't have a product that I'm selling. Maybe that will have to change for me. What about those building and distributing freeware or shareware? I don't see a license model for that. Now unless you use the Personal license, that will most probably work for you. But the user will have a nag screen on use of the freeware. Now for those who are selling products built in (now) LiveCode, do you realize how much your costs have increased? I'm just saying... so you are all aware. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On 9/21/10 12:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Hi all, Has anyone checked out runrev's store as yet? To navigate to it, open LiveCode and access Help | Buy a License... It will take you directly there. Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. LiveCode Complete doesn't equate to your current Enterprise license, it includes *everything* -- mobile, all three desktop options, web server, developer program, etc. This is a savings over purchasing each package separately. Your curent Enterprise license only includes desktop deployment. If you want to duplicate your Enterprise license, you can do it by purchasing the $99 Mac/Windows package for personal use (add Linux if necessary,) or the Desktop package for commercial use. There is no annual subscription fee for those. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On Sep 21, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price is bad at all. If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want. I think this hits the nail on the head. Alice doesn't know what a Linux is. Bobby knows he will never deploy to web or server. Charles never gets involved with lists or even publisher communication. Each can have the right license. But some month or year when Bobby's customer says web, then Bobby is instantly set and with minimal cost and effort. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
I have one question: Is Rev 4.5 now LiveCode 4.5? Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LiveCode 4.5 License model
on Tue Sep 21 12:11:10 CDT 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero is $1320. Yes, but look at the tool you are getting from Embarcadero. A complete suite of tools to build an Enterprise level application. With that, I don't think LiveCode 4.5 even comes close to its tool set. I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't even comes close to it, and the product was stopped several years ago. I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the same application in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier to build a richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6. I've spent hours trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the objects in revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different property settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly. Yes, I've tried all sorts of renditions of the settings. I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Yes! Op 21 sep 2010, om 20:59 heeft use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com het volgende geschreven: I have one question: Is Rev 4.5 now LiveCode 4.5? Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Never mind. I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license. Craig Newman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Not sure how this affects me. I bought into the 2 year license offer. Do I still get this as part of my maintenance? Bob On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: On Sep 21, 2010, at 1:00 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: Mouse over the LiveCode Bundle package icons. You will see product information in a flyout. Now mouse over the LiveCode 4.5 Complete for the Commercial product. Notice the pricing at the bottom of the flyover. The yearly maintenance fee for this product is now US$749. If you are using Rev to deploy commercial products to Desktop, Web, Mobile and Server plus using the LiveCode Developer program I don't think the price is bad at all. If you don't need all of those output options or don't want the subscription then just buy the output options you need in the store and there is no yearly subscription fee. Then you just have to pay when you want to upgrade if a newer version comes out that you want. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Releasable Revolution Resources for Developers: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On 09/21/2010 10:01 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: on Tue Sep 21 12:11:10 CDT 2010, Neal Campbell wrote: Just for comparison, my annual SA price for RADStudio from Embarcadero is $1320. Yes, but look at the tool you are getting from Embarcadero. A complete suite of tools to build an Enterprise level application. With that, I don't think LiveCode 4.5 even comes close to its tool set. I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't even comes close to it, and the product was stopped several years ago. I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the same application in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier to build a richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6. Well; it's all a matter of taste really. Having spent about 6 months with VB6 I would use RunRev any time; I found Visual Basic awful. But then I was probably trying to develop something entirely different from what you had in mind. I find these comparisons a bit invidious. I've spent hours trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the objects in revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different property settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly. Yes, I've tried all sorts of renditions of the settings. I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode. Regards, Mark Stuart ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On 09/21/2010 10:15 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Never mind. I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license. Craig Newman ___ How did you manage that? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
Richard. My license for Rev v.4 is still valid. I just went to: http://www.runrev.com/downloads/ logged in, and, presto. Craig In a message dated 9/21/10 3:38:56 PM, richmondmathew...@gmail.com writes: On 09/21/2010 10:15 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Never mind. I just updated Rev 4.0 to LiveCode 4.5. Free with my existing license. Craig Newman ___ How did you manage that? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Mark Stuart mstu...@adaptcrm.com wrote: I use VB6 from time to time, and again LiveCode 4.5 doesn't even comes close to it, and the product was stopped several years ago. I guess I get frustrated/annoyed if I were to build the same application in revStudio and also in VB6, the latter is so much easier to build a richer desktop application. I've tried to build the same objects/components in revStudio as are already in VB6. I've spent hours trying to do this, and in the end give up, because the objects in revStudio are not complete. Especially trying different property settings, they come up short. They don't work/set properly. Yes, I've tried all sorts of renditions of the settings. I will be revisiting my license with LiveCode. Regards, Mark Stuart Well, it's all about using the right tool for the job at hand. I've been using Rev/LiveCode for one-off tools, for prototypes, and for complete projects. If a project is better done in Java or .NET, I'll use those tools instead. Sure, I wish LiveCode had toolbars, ribbons, tree views, etc. all built-in with point-and-click configuration as well as full scripting control. But I've always been able to replicate what I needed, and behaviors have recently made that a whole lot easier. Jan Schenkel. = Quartam Reports PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: LiveCode 4.5 License model
On 09/21/2010 10:43 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richard. My license for Rev v.4 is still valid. I just went to: http://www.runrev.com/downloads/ logged in, and, presto. Craig Aah . . . mine expired on the 4th of September. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
