RE: Midi Comunications

2005-03-07 Thread MisterX
Any midi device should have a clock to synch to. 

The computers, the soundcard (preferred if you use computer effects), sound
mixer (if you can afford that kind of mixer) (best), the midi keyboard too
(best for performers without need of effects). I maybe wrong regarding the
best clock but I think that's what it comes down to...

There's also the case where you use ASIO for midi (much less latency!) -
popular driver from Steinberg.

AFAIK, I choose the main device to which they all should
synch to and the rest is magic, eh, fruity...

I suppose this would be possible through a QuicktimeSynch as well but dont
know if possible - could be easy for Mac programmers. You can also get ASIO
for the Mac...

Just showing you ways if it helps!

Xavier
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> Perhaps the most challenging aspect of handling MIDI data 
> through whatever port (USB or serial) will be the "clocking" 
> issue:  The volume of data may be small compared to audio or 
> video, but the continuous synchronization of the pulse 
> between an external MIDI device and the computer is critical. 
>  Does anyone know of a good reference for this area of MIDI 
> programming?  (Re: OS X) Has Apple made available information 
> about compatibility with its "Audio MIDI Setup" utility?
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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-06 Thread Kurt Kaufman
Perhaps the most challenging aspect of handling MIDI data through 
whatever port (USB or serial) will be the "clocking" issue:  The volume 
of data may be small compared to audio or video, but the continuous 
synchronization of the pulse between an external MIDI device and the 
computer is critical.  Does anyone know of a good reference for this 
area of MIDI programming?  (Re: OS X) Has Apple made available 
information about compatibility with its "Audio MIDI Setup" utility?

Kurt
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-06 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On 3/4/05 3:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work 
of letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used 
it here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.
Don't you need a hardware USB/serial converter? There is a project I 
wanted to do but couldn't because I couldn't read or write to a USB 
device directly -- or so I thought.

Yes, it does need a serial adapter, Keyspan or something similar. This 
can plug into a USB port and the serial device (NOT a USB device) can 
connect to it. The Keyspan is seen as a serial device although it is 
really USB, so the serial commands work.

I can't wait to try out Chipp's USB external.
Sarah
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-05 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Ken,
Go to Sarah's website at: http://www.troz.net/Rev/
and three fourths down her page you can find: SerialTest.rev.gz
Info:
A stack that demonstrates serial communications, both sending and 
receiving. This will work on Mac OS 9, Windows and now Mac OS X (with 
Rev 2.1 or later). For Macs with OS 9 and no serial ports, you need an 
adapter that allows one of it's ports to be configured as a printer 
port. The latest version also allows you to select the termination 
characters for sending and receiving.

HTH
Tom
On Mar 5, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Ken Norris wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:40:31 -0500
From: Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB (Midi Comunications)
Mark,
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work of
letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used it
here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.
  http://www.troz.net/
I couldn't find it. What, exactly, am I looking for.
TIA,
Ken N.
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-05 Thread Ken Norris
Hi Thomas,
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:40:31 -0500
From: Thomas McGrath III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: USB (Midi Comunications)
Mark,
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work of
letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used it
here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.
  http://www.troz.net/
I couldn't find it. What, exactly, am I looking for.
TIA,
Ken N.
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-05 Thread jbv
Chipp ,

Any scheduled release date ?

Thanks,
JB

> Hi JB,
>
> We're working on a cross-platform set of externals at the moment which
> will enable you to control USB devices from within Rev.
>
> Stay tuned...
>
> best,
> Chipp

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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/4/05 6:22 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi JB,
We're working on a cross-platform set of externals at the moment which 
will enable you to control USB devices from within Rev.
Whoa, you decided to do it! That's great!
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Mark Wieder
Chipp-

Friday, March 4, 2005, 4:22:01 PM, you wrote:

CW> We're working on a cross-platform set of externals at the moment which
CW> will enable you to control USB devices from within Rev.

Very cool. Lemme know when I can buy one.

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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
And don't forget Shakobox.rev from http://www.hyperactivesw.com/ which 
uses alphabetic notation BUT plays through and allows control of the 
quicktime built-in MIDI instruments.

Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 10:11 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 3/4/05 7:41 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is a stack called MIDIBuilder.rev that I downloaded from
somewhere. It creates MIDI files. I looked and there is some hex data
conversion stuff in it. Here is the web address:
http://www.shopperturnpike.com/usefulsoftware/midibuilder.html
You can also use UDI's "MakeSMF" Rev stack that creates a MIDI file 
from
strings like you used to do in HyperCard:

  http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html
look for "makeSMF 1.3.3"
HTH,
Ken Ray
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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Ken Ray
On 3/4/05 7:41 PM, "Thomas McGrath III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a stack called MIDIBuilder.rev that I downloaded from
> somewhere. It creates MIDI files. I looked and there is some hex data
> conversion stuff in it. Here is the web address:
> 
> http://www.shopperturnpike.com/usefulsoftware/midibuilder.html

You can also use UDI's "MakeSMF" Rev stack that creates a MIDI file from
strings like you used to do in HyperCard:

  http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/tool.html

look for "makeSMF 1.3.3"

HTH,

Ken Ray
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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
There is a stack called MIDIBuilder.rev that I downloaded from 
somewhere. It creates MIDI files. I looked and there is some hex data 
conversion stuff in it. Here is the web address:

http://www.shopperturnpike.com/usefulsoftware/midibuilder.html
HTH
TOM

On Mar 4, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Ben Fisher wrote:
Hi Mark,
I too am interested in MIDI, as I have an old Casio Midi keyboard that 
I use occasionally. It would be really cool to see how MIDIs work and 
write an editor. For the past couple of years I've been playing around 
with the idea but never found the time.

In older versions of Rev, there used to be a sample MIDI program. I 
think it lives at http://support.runrev.com/resources/unsupported.php 
This might be the first step in looking at the hex behind midis.

Most good midi editors have a "score view." (Of course they also cost 
$$$ and so I don't have them.) From playing the piano, I know how 
musical notation works and with a little effort could put something 
like that together (I.e. a program turning a list of notes into 
musical notation).

Maybe you could use Rev's read from port commands to get data from the 
MIDI port? These days, most MIDI devices use USB, and so I guess they 
are out of reach at least for now. If you learn something cool, please 
tell me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Ben
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
I have a USB device that uses 'serial' commands over USB. I also have a 
serial device that I hook to a USB converter. I use the Keyspan High 
Speed Serial adapter because I had problems with trying to use two 
others. I talked to keyspan and they said to only use the high speed 
one. Since then I have had other devices to hook up which are only 
serial but the Keyspan High Speed Serial adapter works great with them 
all.
It is the Keyspan driver that makes the Mac think or act like a USB to 
the computer but allows the Serial to work over it. Two devices that I 
use come with the same serial/usb driver as what comes with the 
Keyspan.
So use the keyspan one..

HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 5:29 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 3/4/05 3:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work 
of letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used 
it here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.
Don't you need a hardware USB/serial converter? There is a project I 
wanted to do but couldn't because I couldn't read or write to a USB 
device directly -- or so I thought.

 http://www.troz.net/
HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jbv wrote:
Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?

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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Phil Davis
Might those externals open up Rev access to system HID drivers? That 
would solve some major problems for me. The only thing better would be 
if Rev had native access to same.

Phil Davis

Chipp Walters wrote:
Hi JB,
We're working on a cross-platform set of externals at the moment which 
will enable you to control USB devices from within Rev.

Stay tuned...
best,
Chipp
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Chipp Walters
Hi JB,
We're working on a cross-platform set of externals at the moment which 
will enable you to control USB devices from within Rev.

Stay tuned...
best,
Chipp
jbv wrote:
Thomas,
Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?
Thanks,
JB

Mark,
I don't know MIDI but I would think that you could use the serial stack
that Sarah put together as a tester. It will open a port to any
existing devices that have registered over USB, including devices that
accept serial commands. The device usually provides the USB device
driver SO all rev does is load it and allow you to send commands. I
would check out what type of MIDI commands can be sent.
HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to communicate
with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try
making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi
synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an issue, but the
basic communication stuff.
I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that allowed you to
send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from synths, so
something along those lines would be a start.
Thanks for any ideas,
Mark
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Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Ben Fisher
Hi Mark,

I too am interested in MIDI, as I have an old Casio Midi keyboard that I use 
occasionally. It would be really cool to see how MIDIs work and write an 
editor. For the past couple of years I've been playing around with the idea but 
never found the time.

In older versions of Rev, there used to be a sample MIDI program. I think it 
lives at http://support.runrev.com/resources/unsupported.php This might be the 
first step in looking at the hex behind midis. 

Most good midi editors have a "score view." (Of course they also cost $$$ and 
so I don't have them.) From playing the piano, I know how musical notation 
works and with a little effort could put something like that together (I.e. a 
program turning a list of notes into musical notation). 

Maybe you could use Rev's read from port commands to get data from the MIDI 
port? These days, most MIDI devices use USB, and so I guess they are out of 
reach at least for now. If you learn something cool, please tell me at [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]

-Ben

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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/4/05 3:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work of 
letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used it 
here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.
Don't you need a hardware USB/serial converter? There is a project I 
wanted to do but couldn't because I couldn't read or write to a USB 
device directly -- or so I thought.

 http://www.troz.net/
HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jbv wrote:
Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?

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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
OPPPSSS
Sorry JB,
I wrote that to Mark but it was in response to JB
TOm
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jbv wrote:

Thomas,
Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?
Thanks,
JB
Mark,
I don't know MIDI but I would think that you could use the serial 
stack
that Sarah put together as a tester. It will open a port to any
existing devices that have registered over USB, including devices that
accept serial commands. The device usually provides the USB device
driver SO all rev does is load it and allow you to send commands. I
would check out what type of MIDI commands can be sent.

HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to communicate
with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try
making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi
synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an issue, but the
basic communication stuff.
I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that allowed you 
to
send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from synths, 
so
something along those lines would be a start.

Thanks for any ideas,
Mark
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Mark,
Yes if they have a serial driver. The driver actually does the work of 
letting the system see via USB to the serial device. I have used it 
here. Sarah has it in her user space and also at her website.

 http://www.troz.net/
HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jbv wrote:
Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?
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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Mark Smith
Thanks to X and Tom. I am indeed on OS X, so I'll give Sarah's serial 
stack a look over.

Thanks again,
Mark
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Re: USB (Midi Comunications)

2005-03-04 Thread jbv


Thomas,

Does Sarah's stack really allow the use of USB devices
in Rev apps ? For a few months I'm trying to find a way
to control an app with a data glove... I even made plans
to make an external in C for that...
Where can I find that  stack ?

Thanks,
JB

> Mark,
>
> I don't know MIDI but I would think that you could use the serial stack
> that Sarah put together as a tester. It will open a port to any
> existing devices that have registered over USB, including devices that
> accept serial commands. The device usually provides the USB device
> driver SO all rev does is load it and allow you to send commands. I
> would check out what type of MIDI commands can be sent.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom
>
> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
> > Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to communicate
> > with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try
> > making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi
> > synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an issue, but the
> > basic communication stuff.
> >
> > I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that allowed you to
> > send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from synths, so
> > something along those lines would be a start.
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas,
> >
> > Mark
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RE: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread MisterX

Unfortunately for Mark, he's running OSX. ;)

But surely this is "simple" thing for unix to reroute
ports. a couple config file vi edits should do it... 

/bin/vi anyone?  (or search da bsd forums...)

In our high tech environment at work, we have 6 ESX 
VMWare servers (surely nothing big corporate wise) which
run 3 to 10 vmware 2003 servers, etc... just another farm
of servers... The ESX servers run on Linux to host the vms! 

The kicker is that if you forgot to set the virtual scsi 
port to the desired setting at install and its keeps crashing 
your installation, you got to vi into the linux server to 
change the paramater or reinstall complely (should you find 
the error!!!)  

Loving the irony!

>From MacOS to WinOS to XOS
You either enjoy it and master it
but there's is an easier way low level!

cheerios!
X


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Thomas McGrath III
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 18:54
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Midi Comunications
> 
> Mark,
> 
> I don't know MIDI but I would think that you could use the 
> serial stack that Sarah put together as a tester. It will 
> open a port to any existing devices that have registered over 
> USB, including devices that accept serial commands. The 
> device usually provides the USB device driver SO all rev does 
> is load it and allow you to send commands. I would check out 
> what type of MIDI commands can be sent.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
> 
> > Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to 
> communicate 
> > with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try 
> > making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi 
> > synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an 
> issue, but the 
> > basic communication stuff.
> >
> > I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that 
> allowed you to 
> > send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from 
> synths, so 
> > something along those lines would be a start.
> >
> > Thanks for any ideas,
> >
> > Mark
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Re: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Mark,
I don't know MIDI but I would think that you could use the serial stack 
that Sarah put together as a tester. It will open a port to any 
existing devices that have registered over USB, including devices that 
accept serial commands. The device usually provides the USB device 
driver SO all rev does is load it and allow you to send commands. I 
would check out what type of MIDI commands can be sent.

HTH
Tom
On Mar 4, 2005, at 12:08 PM, Mark Smith wrote:
Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to communicate 
with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try 
making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi 
synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an issue, but the 
basic communication stuff.

I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that allowed you to 
send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from synths, so 
something along those lines would be a start.

Thanks for any ideas,
Mark
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RE: Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread MisterX
If you're on a PC, there's a way with myokent.exe
and midioxse to reroute any midi message to any port
and/or virtual ports (usb (with driver for controler, 
to any midi channels, maybe com ports too I think)... 
If there's a way to route com to usb...

http://www.midiox.com - didn't find com ports routing
but it must exist.

from the help...

MIDI-OX now has a COM interface that can be accessed from any language that
supports COM, including Visual Basic, C++ and Windows Script Host (WSH). WSH
is part of Win98 and can be obtained from the Microsoft web site if you are
using Win95. WSH comes with scripting engines for VBScript and JScript and
third-party engines are available for other languages such as Python and
Perl.

Mark, I sent you the whole help text offlist...

cheers
Xavier
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Smith
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 18:09
> To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Midi Comunications
> 
> Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to 
> communicate with external midi devices from Revolution? I 
> have in mind to try making an editor app. for some of my 
> older and more obscure midi synths, so real-time playback and 
> such like is not an issue, but the basic communication stuff.
> 
> I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that 
> allowed you to send and receive strings of hexadecimal 
> numbers to and from synths, so something along those lines 
> would be a start.
> 
> Thanks for any ideas,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Midi Comunications

2005-03-04 Thread Mark Smith
Anyone here got any ideas about whether it's possible to communicate 
with external midi devices from Revolution? I have in mind to try 
making an editor app. for some of my older and more obscure midi 
synths, so real-time playback and such like is not an issue, but the 
basic communication stuff.

I had a programme years ago,made by opcode r.i.p., that allowed you to 
send and receive strings of hexadecimal numbers to and from synths, so 
something along those lines would be a start.

Thanks for any ideas,
Mark
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