Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-21 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto

At 12:20 PM +0100 5/18/2007, David Bovill wrote:

Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)



It's for historical reasons: HyperCard called that format the english 
date. (Probably because the engineers were thinking in terms of 
English versus other languages such as Spanish - that is, localized 
systems - instead of in terms of England versus the US.)

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jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.jaedworks.com
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New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread David Bovill

I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a
problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:

   put 20/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 20/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 6/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 6/4/02 into testDate
   convert testDate from english date to seconds
   convert testDate to dateItems
   put testDate
   break

Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english dates
back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
script?
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Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Smith
David, are you sure you've understood what english denotes in  
Revolution?

From the docs:

english
Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in  
the format used in the United States.


So 20/4/02 is not an english date

Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote:

I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and  
have a

problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:

   put 20/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 20/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 6/4/02 into testDate
   -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
   convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
   put testDate

   put 6/4/02 into testDate
   convert testDate from english date to seconds
   convert testDate to dateItems
   put testDate
   break

Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english  
dates

back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
script?
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Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread David Bovill

Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)

On 18/05/07, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


David, are you sure you've understood what english denotes in
Revolution?
From the docs:

english
Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in
the format used in the United States.

So 20/4/02 is not an english date

Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote:

 I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and
 have a
 problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:

put 20/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
put testDate

put 20/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
put testDate

put 6/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
put testDate

put 6/4/02 into testDate
convert testDate from english date to seconds
convert testDate to dateItems
put testDate
break

 Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english
 dates
 back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
 script?
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Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread Robert Brenstein

Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)


The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the 
current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy.


May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken 
in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly.


Robert
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Re: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?

2007-05-18 Thread Bill
We call that sort of English the gringo English here but that is probably
also incorrect as I think the first use of gringo was for British soldiers.

 But convert dateitems to the gringo date would be cool.


On 5/18/07 7:39 AM, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
 no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
 it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
 it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)
 
 The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the
 current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy.
 
 May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken
 in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly.
 
 Robert
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