Re: News on revMobile and the iPhone
Hi List, So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players Yes, I think the same. I'm sure that RunRev will retake the way and take advantage of all present and futures alternatives that we can know in the next months. Salut, Josep -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/News-on-revMobile-and-the-iPhone-tp2218042p2218478.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
News on revMobile and the iPhone
Because of my vacation, I wasn't able to respond earlier to Kevin's sad news. Being an Apple fan, this change in Apple's license agreement is the first major disappointment in the company. It has obviously nothing to do with performance like they say. If that was the case, they should exclude JavaScript because it's a high level, interpreted language. And they should ban all Obj-C/C++ code written by less experienced programmers... Neither has it anything to do with being prepared for the future. I know RunRev as a very nimble company who adapts very fast to new trends, new OSes and new hardware. I don't know how RunRev does it, but apparently the architecture of their product(s) is so good they can adjust very quickly and they stay in the saddle when the industry makes crazy turns. So I cannot think of any sane reason why Apple changed their license agreement. It has probably to do with the Flash war against Adobe. But actually this would be an easy battle for Adobe to win. When ActionScript 3.0 came out, they reconstructed the language to be compatible with JavaScript, which they use as scripting language in other Creative Suite products. So all Adobe has to do is rename ActionScript to JavaScript... So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players. Terry___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile and the iPhone
When elephants dance, eveyone else gets squashed... So RunRev just seems to suffer as collateral damage in this stupid war between these big players. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
News on revMobile
Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
It's quite a long read, so here are some highlights: No Rev of any sort on iPhone OS, probably forever. Refocusing efforts on Android. RunRevLive 10 pushed back to April next year. The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Kevin, As we all knew you would, you did everything humanly possible for your customers. RunRev got ambushed and there wasn't much you could do about it. --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com wrote: From: Kevin Miller ke...@runrev.com Subject: News on revMobile To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 12:39 PM Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Geez, thanks Steve. Just what we Apple loyalists needed-NOT. Do I sound just a wee bit annoyed. You bet I am. But my annoyance is at Apple, not Run Rev. RunRev did their level best, but what could we really expect when logic plays second fiddle to the whims of Sir Steve of Jobs? On May 10, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Hi everyone, Here is the information you have been waiting for about revMobile for the iPhone/iPad. Thank you all for your patience, this has been the soonest we have been able to bring you this news. http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ RunRev - Software construction for everyone ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin, Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! René Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit : The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin Holgate wrote: The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing list: I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. Paraphrasing his reply: The new provision is ONLY intended to apply to applications distributed through the app store. http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/monotouch/2010-April/001878.html But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal confirmation from Apple either way. And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who knows what the license will say by noon... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:05 PM, René Micout wrote: Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! Let's not get into another long discussion about what is right and what Apple are saying. Clearly they can't stop you as an individual, but an Enterprise client who sends out an internal App to hundreds of their staff, could well lose their Enterprise status if any one of those iPhones or iPads is viewed by someone who reports to Steve Jobs. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Colin Holgate wrote: If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
For those deciding to not buy an iPad because of these mess, I completely understand the decision, but you owe it to yourselves to borrow one for a weekend. It is honestly a major breakthru which makes the whole situation much sadder. As Jerry pointed out in one thread, its a breakthrough paradigm and makes going back to a keyboard/mouse feel like stepping into the 20th century. When we get very accurate voice to text on it, I think we will see a lot of used laptops go on ebay/craigslist. To check email, it takes approximately 3 seconds to power own and establish with my wifi network. I can power it up, check my mail and power it down before my laptop has finished awakening from its sleep. Again, incredibly sad situation for everyone. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM, René Micout rene.mic...@numericable.comwrote: Colin, Sorry but, if I want to buy a iPad and use it as a putching-ball, a soccer baloon or freezebee. I do not think that Mr. Jobs can forbid it! René Le 10 mai 2010 à 19:53, Colin Holgate a écrit : The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
I have 5 macbooks, 1 iMac, 1 iPhone and 1 iPad (and 2 newtons) Now... I am so pissed at Apple that I won't buy anything from Apple ever again. As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. I am just thankful that I did not buy an iPhone 3GS to replace my iPhone 3G like I was thinking about doing couple weeks ago. Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? Silly company. Makes no sense. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Colin Holgate wrote: The one thing that Kevin says that seems like a wrong conclusion, is that they will continue to support the existing iPhone version for Apple Enterprise customers. Those are the ones that are allowed to deploy their own apps to some number of hundreds of users. But the license agreement doesn't say anything about Store submissions, it only says that you have to use certain languages, and you can't use an interpreter layer. An Enterprise user making an app for internal use would have still broken the agreement. It seems even Jobs knows his limits sometimes - from the MonoTouch mailing list: I emailed Steve Jobs earlier today, and either he (or some delegate) replied, and the answers were pretty clear. Paraphrasing his reply: The new provision is ONLY intended to apply to applications distributed through the app store. http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/monotouch/2010-April/001878.html But that's just an email from a developer, and I've found no formal confirmation from Apple either way. And course if it's true, it's only true as of 11:06AM on 10 May 2010. Who knows what the license will say by noon... -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
YES ! Le 10 mai 2010 à 20:08, J. Landman Gay a écrit : Colin Holgate wrote: If you think about it, it would make sense for the agreement to affect everyone, not just people submitting to the App Store, because whatever calamity is caused by having Rev, or Flash based Apps on an iPhone device, would still hold true for all those Enterprise users. And that, if there is any logic in the argument at all, would be enough to upset Apple. The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: The difference is, Apple never sees your privately-distributed apps. They can't discontinue them or revoke them. After every iTunes update the jailbreak people have to find another way to jailbreak the iPhone. It wouldn't be too hard for Apple to be equally awkward with end users who are just making apps for their own personal use. I hope that the reply about how the terms only apply to Store Apps is true. That would at least leave open one area of potential development. But really, Apple should amend the agreement to make it clear that it's ok to use any tool for Enterprise work. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
http://www.runrev.com/company/runrev-blog/ It's a sad day for RunRev, and all high level language (HLL) developers. In an unprecedented decree by the current King of the Hill, Steve Jobs has declared his tools, and only his tools, can be used to create compiled binary applications for his new favorite pet platform. The Hell with the rest of us. Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. Nope, he changed things when it suited him best. Be damned with the rest of you- oh and thanks for your support, UP TO NOW, is the message he is sending. He couldn't care less. Screwing his partners, their customers and their customer's customers out of literally millions of dollars. Honestly, will anyone really be surprised when he does this yet again to Mac OS X developers? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Chipp Walters wrote: Making matters worse, he didn't proclaim his intentions to do this until the fourth release of the SDK. It's not like he was starting some new platform from scratch, and set up the rules from the beginning. Nope, he changed things when it suited him best ...which just happened to be two business days before Adobe launched CS5, their expensive investment which was to provide Flash apps for iPhone. That could be entirely coincidental, but either way I guess RunRev could consider themselves lucky that they weren't farther along before this unexpected and sweeping change. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Can they say yes to EA and no to us? And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER ARGH On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Well done, Kevin. Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in good and strong company into this new mobile arena: I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. http://www.mobileorchard.com/goodbye/ 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/ Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use Android Market app count surges 68% in March http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/ Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
How can you be so old when you are so young? Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: Can they say yes to EA and no to us? And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER ARGH On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Colin Holgate co...@verizon.net wrote: On May 10, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: Now, if they are approving games that use LUA, how the hell can they prevent script interpretation? The Lua only tool guys (such as Corona) haven't yet said they are safe, even though they remain hopeful. They argue that if games that Steve himself personally demonstrates use Lua, then that must mean it'll be ok for them. Also, Apple are not likely to eject games from EA, that also use Lua. But I wouldn't be surprised if Apple say that it's ok for the big companies to use scripting, but the little companies can't. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
RunRev, like so many others, have taken a socking great kick in the pants from Apple. Kevin's Article seems remarkably sober considering the circumstances - perhaps it was preceded by a 'slightly' more vulgar internal memo . . . :) I can only say that I hope it does not affect RunRev unduly; and that is DOES affect iPad sales (mind you; here in Bulgaria, the usual mindless morons are queuing up to get one - the same ones who send their expensively dressed children to my school with their iPhones; never mind, they subsidise some of the kids who either don't have any money or don't have fathers to pay). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I won't buy anything from Apple ever again. My entire catalog of products from Apple consists of a no longer owned Mac-mini and the original iPhone. (which I believe to be the single greatest tech product ever designed) In general (not specific to this situation), Apple's restrictive policy's (much worse than Microsoft, IMO) have been the reason for my hesitancy to fork over the bucks for a new Mac of any type as well as the iPad. As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. As a dye in the wool Linux fan for many years previously, I'll have to agree... I foresee Linux, Android and RunRev all playing a big part in my development future. I'll continue to put up with and develop for Windows because I have little choice, but it's now officially good-bye to Macs for sure. Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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While I don't like Microsoft, and they have tried to force people to use their shabby browser, at least they haven't got up to the same sort of restrictive practises that Apple have; consider: I can wander down the road into any tatty-old computer shop and buy a tatty old PC and get some sort of Windows running on it relatively easily (as I can, even more easily with Linux). Apple have always tied their operating systems to their machines. The 'iPad thing' is really just an extension of the same sort of thing. This may, after all, be one of the reasons why Apple have never commanded more than about 10% of the market. I know that Windows is a second-class product; but it works to a certain extent in areas where Mac OS cannot even bootup the install disk. Unless Apple democritise they will probably go the way of all aristocracies; and, just perhaps, it is Apple that should feel threatened by Linux, not Windows. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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The combination of iPhone / iPad AND Windows app development has been seen as a great opportunity for a lot of developers. There where great ideas. So many developer had a HyperCard / RunRev Project to bring to the iPhone AND other platforms. A problem for Apple? Would be great if Apple changes there minds! As others, I have spent a lot of time and effort to bring RunRev Apps on the iPhone. Andreas Stämpfli___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Seems like it might be good to put out some press of the rejection. Not to bad mouth Apple, but rather to inform the various tech blogs that the rejection occurred, that several thousand developers share in the disappointment, and that developers are being forced to look at other platforms. Ive sent out feelers to my press contacts about it. I strongly suggest everyone else does as well. I think there's an excellent market for applications that can be deployed on Mac OS X andAndroid :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News on revMobile
Very, very sorry to hear this, despite having had no personal interest in developing in Rev for iPhone or iPad. It is a serious disappointment, and you along with many others deserved better from Apple. Which they will one day come to understand. These things always come around in the end. Good luck with Android. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/News-on-revMobile-tp2172670p2172817.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products? His answer was, Well if it improves stability, sure, why not? Be afraid. Be very afraid. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Great links Richard. I would suggest anyone remotely interested in developing for Android should check them out! I seriously doubt Google and Android would pull such a stunt as Jobs and try and outlaw cross platform dev apps for Android. After all, unlike Apple, they have a mantra, and it is Do No Evil. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.comwrote: Well done, Kevin. Steve has spoken, you did your best, and now we can all move forward in good and strong company into this new mobile arena: I’m Abandoning iPhone Development. Mobile Orchard To Stop Publication. http://www.mobileorchard.com/goodbye/ 70% of iPhone developers heading to Android, says AdMob http://www.mobile-ent.biz/news/36460/70-of-iPhone-developers-heading-to-Android-says-AdMob Android catches up to iPhone in dev interest as iPad cools http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/31/devs.as.likely.to.code.for.android.as.iphone/ Android phones now outsell Apple's iPhone in US http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/10/npd_android_phones_now_outsell_apples_iphone_in_us.html Android Jumps Past iPhone in U.S. Mobile Web Use http://www.fastcompany.com/1630554/android-jumps-past-iphone-in-us-mobile-web-use Android Market app count surges 68% in March http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/04/07/sudden.rush.of.android.apps.tracked/ Steve Jobs has made a decisive move, and I'll be following his advice: I'm getting an Android-powered phone. :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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I guess they don't hire geniuses at those Apple stores. ;-) Chipp Walters CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc On May 10, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Bob Sneidar b...@twft.com wrote: I would like to offer my personal apologies for my defense of Steve Jobs and Apple. If I had been asked to bet on whether or not Steve Jobs would have accepted the very fair proposal that RunRev made, I would have give odds that he would. I think I see now that Steve Jobs is taking the stance that any development environment for the iPhone/iPad that is not their own is unacceptable, even if the finished app is demonstrably identical to one from their own compiler. So this is NOT about interpretation layers and compatibility after all, as he let on in his now famous post. This is about absolute control. I just had a very long chat with an Apple Store employee. I got to the place where he insisted that Apple has always exhibited this level of control over their products. I said, Really? Well actually they have not. Would you really want the same kind of approval process we have for iPhone/iPad apps enforced for ALL apps for ALL apple products? His answer was, Well if it improves stability, sure, why not? Be afraid. Be very afraid. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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On 10 May 2010 19:11, Andre Garzia an...@andregarzia.com wrote: As soon as Rev works well on Linux, I will switch back to Linux making a comeback to the land of the free just like I did a switch from linux to macs in 2000. Me too! Actually, in the same way that it looks like the future of consumer oriented operating systems at Apple is going to be the iPhone OS, it also looks like the (consumer oriented) Linux of the future is going to be Android. For me, this bodes well in the longer term for Revolution. That is because at last RunRev will be forced to prioritize both Linux (ie Android) and to create a robust open source development strategy. I'm NOT talking here about open sourcing all of the Revolution engine - but because of the way I understand RunRev are proposing developing for Android, it does seem that there will be a need to start to engage with a wider open source community. This is because the Rev engine will be called by Android front end widgets - which in turn will be open source. In other words the front end will be open source and the Rev back end closed. This in turn will mean that belatedly RunRev will inevitably be led down the path of learning how to use classic open source community building strategies. This in turn will have spin off benefits for the server side integration with other open source platforms. I'd predict that in time, Apple will open up, and we'll get Rev on iOS, so while I love the iPad and iPhone platforms as consumer oriented hardware (and will have to shelve 2 iPad related projects) - I'm secretly really pleased about the new focus on Android :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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Yeah, the Newton is awesome... the eMate even more so. Judy On Mon, 10 May 2010, Andre Garzia wrote: And after one day using my iPad I *must* say this: MY NEWTON STILL BETTER ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
