Re: OT Font Question
Mark, I have mailed you some better examples off-list. Adrian On 1 Oct 2008, at 23:24, Mark Swindell wrote: Never mind that last. I see the list and examples at the bottom of the page. It would be nice if the jpg were of higher resolution so I could see them more clearly. Mark On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Adrian Williams wrote: We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. The original typefaces were researched and developed for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html Sassoon® Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy- to-use pronunciation guides for children or adults. This product is part of the larger Sassoon® Project... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html Hope that helps? Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: Devin, Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. Mark, On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
Never mind that last. I see the list and examples at the bottom of the page. It would be nice if the jpg were of higher resolution so I could see them more clearly. Mark On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Adrian Williams wrote: We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. The original typefaces were researched and developed for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html Sassoon® Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy- to-use pronunciation guides for children or adults. This product is part of the larger Sassoon® Project... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html Hope that helps? Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: Devin, Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. Mark, On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. The original typefaces were researched and developed for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html Sassoon® Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy-to- use pronunciation guides for children or adults. This product is part of the larger Sassoon® Project... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html Hope that helps? Adrian __ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: Devin, Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. Mark, On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Devin, Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. Mark, Clever idea, but you're probably right--it seems unlikely that someone would have created such a specialized font. I guess if I were going to do something similar I'd use color or style differences to show the letter combinations. Or I supposed you could use Photoshop or some other tool that will let you play with the kerning. Of course with PS, you're stuck with only the words you create beforehand. This is a place where the old Mac compressed font style would come in handy! Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
Devin, Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ché) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. Mark, On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
Thanks, François. I'll check it out. Mark On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:07 PM, François Chaplais wrote: Le 29 sept. 08 à 20:34, Mark Swindell a écrit : Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the /f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? I suggest you post your question at [EMAIL PROTECTED] XeTeX is a typesetting system based on TeX, with a emphasis on the use of "exotic" writing systems. You question is not a TeX question, but you might find in this mailing list somebody who knows of an OpenType font with phonetic glyphs. If you are interested, an introduction on XeTeX can be found at http://cern.ch/XML/lgc2/xetexmain.pdf do not feel obliged to read all of it, this is just to give you some perspective on what XeTeX is about and why grouping characters into glyphs (in arabic languages, for instance) is part of the preoccupations of the people behind XeTeX. Best regards, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT Font Question
Le 29 sept. 08 à 20:34, Mark Swindell a écrit : Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the /f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? I suggest you post your question at [EMAIL PROTECTED] XeTeX is a typesetting system based on TeX, with a emphasis on the use of "exotic" writing systems. You question is not a TeX question, but you might find in this mailing list somebody who knows of an OpenType font with phonetic glyphs. If you are interested, an introduction on XeTeX can be found at http://cern.ch/XML/lgc2/xetexmain.pdf do not feel obliged to read all of it, this is just to give you some perspective on what XeTeX is about and why grouping characters into glyphs (in arabic languages, for instance) is part of the preoccupations of the people behind XeTeX. Best regards, François ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT Font Question
Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the letters that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple letters (oo, ee, ea)? For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c - ou - gh. But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and the / f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make sense? Thanks, Mark ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
