Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Yes - I wander if they work though - ie in terms of exporting to standalone QuickTime - Id put more money on them than SMIL. I am not sure how much the XML import engine and the corresponding media links (.qtl) are still used / part of any QuickTime future. It may be worth looking at on the grounds that it is the only (easy and fast) technology I can find which allows (cron/cgi) scripts to generate QuickTime files to be embedded in web pages. I guess that there are a few folks out there doing this - and unlike SMIL relying on it? But it's a guess. On a similar note - I tried to find a way to just create / use reference (non-standalone) movies - a lot slower to create - but the main thing was I could find nothing at all that allows you to figure out what external files / urls these reference movies link to - that is not AppleScript, the enhanced QuickTime external or a bunch of command line tools... I was hoping to use some small QuickTime playable file that you could pass around and use as a bookmark. No joy - once the file is created no way to figure out what file or times it links to! SMIL / .qtl files alow this - if would be great to be able to do this finds how to do this cross platform - or embed metadata into a QuickTime file (not Spotlight). Text tracks? On 19/12/2007, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not sure about the third link, but the first two links have a javascript > popup which says: > > "The information in this document is obsolete and should not be used for > new > development." > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Not sure about the third link, but the first two links have a javascript popup which says: "The information in this document is obsolete and should not be used for new development." ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Has anyone tried using the Quicktime XML format for the same purpose - I was thinking of giving it a go as it seems to be actually used - ie server side. These are the links I've looked at - though nothing coded yet in Rev: - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/WhatsNewQT5/QT5NewChapt1/chapter_1_section_39.html - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT6WhatsNew/Chap1/chapter_1_section_53.html - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT4WebPage/samplechap/special-11.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
On Dec 3, 2007 4:51 PM, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion, SMIL isn't all that useful by itself. If you want editing > features, try using Quicktime reference movie files. They are incredibly > useful. Yep, that's what I ended up doing-- creating a QT ref file by scratch. But it's so much easier using SMIL than managing all the tracks manually. My app has the traditional timeline with 2 audio tracks for editing. So, the compilation can get complicated, though I was able to do it with Trevor's external. Much easier with SMIL, but then you can't export to a single standalone video file, which you can do with a QT ref file. -C ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Hi: > Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks > to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. WinXP or Vista - Mac = BAD COMBO > I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently > seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. In my opinion, SMIL isn't all that useful by itself. If you want editing features, try using Quicktime reference movie files. They are incredibly useful. > In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use I agree. SMIL isn't that useful for anything other than simply playing a sequence of files in a specified order. QT reference movie files are much more useful. m ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
It's also very sad that Apple QT can't export plain ole .mpg files. For some reason they won't license the code for the most used and prevalent video codec on the planet. Another case of Apple making all the rules. Bummer. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
> I also went lost on that road before. I found that RealPlayer > support for SMIL is better than apple, so people wanting to > really use SMIL can move to RP or use a Flash Media Player, > many support some SMIL. I had the chance to meet with the Quicktime product manager at a recent Apple Event. Mostly QT was discussed in terms of the iPhone, but SMIL seems to be on nobody's list at Apple. Also, don't think to play back QTVRs on the iPhone either. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com Visit Mirye - http://www.mirye.com North American Publisher of Runtime Revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
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Re: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Chipp, I also went lost on that road before. I found that RealPlayer support for SMIL is better than apple, so people wanting to really use SMIL can move to RP or use a Flash Media Player, many support some SMIL. As for QT, it appears that there's a lot of half baked features. It's flash support is broken, it's hotspot support could be better, the SMIL support is odd... sometimes it feels like QT is hacked together instead of grown with a plan. I also paid for QT Pro and really wish Apple would gives a better editing tool as QT Pro users, QT Player editing feels like a toy. I can't recall how many times I went to Final Cut Pro on the university to do simple and silly movie editing that QT Pro should handle in an easy way. :-/ bad bad apple. Andre On 12/1/07, Chipp Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just thought I'd mention this so it's in the archives. > Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks > to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. > > > I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently > seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. > > Well sure enough, it began to work as expected, and I was able to quickly > view the compilations of movie, image and sound snips in my QT player in > Rev. Sadly, I couldn't view the timeline slider, but that's another issue > altogether. > > The trouble continued when I tried to export the movie into one > self-contained file. No matter how I tried, I was unable to configure > Trevor's external to output the entire movie flattened. At first I figured > it was a bug in the external export routine, but then I purchased QT Pro > ($29 bucks down the drain- thanks Apple for your support), and found out > even Apple's own QT player couldn't accomplish such a simple task of > combining a single SMIL video and audio track into 1 exported movie. > > Some Internet sleuthing and I found out, among other QuickTime shortcomings, > is Apple's very limited support for SMIL. And there is virtually no notes on > SMIL and the PC platform-- that is left for the developer to find out on > their own. Apparently, none of the 'special' tags work in Windows, only Mac. > One would think with Apple wanting large adoption of QT on PC's, they would > at least bother to spend the time documenting somewhere what it does and > doesn't do. > > In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use and implementation > if you plan on either: > > 1) Using it on a PC with Apple's special tags (like the one to always show > the controller, which doesn't work) or; > 2) You ever expect to need to export your SMIL generated movie as a > self-contained file on any platform. > > Hope this prevents others from spending too much time in this particular > rabbit hole. > > best, Chipp > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO
Hey folks, Just thought I'd mention this so it's in the archives. Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. Well sure enough, it began to work as expected, and I was able to quickly view the compilations of movie, image and sound snips in my QT player in Rev. Sadly, I couldn't view the timeline slider, but that's another issue altogether. The trouble continued when I tried to export the movie into one self-contained file. No matter how I tried, I was unable to configure Trevor's external to output the entire movie flattened. At first I figured it was a bug in the external export routine, but then I purchased QT Pro ($29 bucks down the drain- thanks Apple for your support), and found out even Apple's own QT player couldn't accomplish such a simple task of combining a single SMIL video and audio track into 1 exported movie. Some Internet sleuthing and I found out, among other QuickTime shortcomings, is Apple's very limited support for SMIL. And there is virtually no notes on SMIL and the PC platform-- that is left for the developer to find out on their own. Apparently, none of the 'special' tags work in Windows, only Mac. One would think with Apple wanting large adoption of QT on PC's, they would at least bother to spend the time documenting somewhere what it does and doesn't do. In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use and implementation if you plan on either: 1) Using it on a PC with Apple's special tags (like the one to always show the controller, which doesn't work) or; 2) You ever expect to need to export your SMIL generated movie as a self-contained file on any platform. Hope this prevents others from spending too much time in this particular rabbit hole. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
