Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Luis wrote: And a future 'direction' for Flash and Adobe: http:// labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:developerfaq Gee, developing internet-enabled apps for the desktop that leverage existing technologies! What I wouldn't give for a development environment that would let me do that! Oh wait Don't we already have one? Revolution product and the company have nicely evolved over the last months but, to my knowledge, not the point you describe. I may be wrong... I have had little chance to keep up with revolution's product and community for the last months. Oh wait Don't we already have one? We do, but to what extent we can say Revolution leverages existing technologies may require some qualification. indeed. As I said, I am not up to the latest developments... but to my knowledge revolution can't even leverage revolution's technology itself, due to the lack of component-based architecture. Thanks to a component-based architecture, this javascript library: http://jquery.com/plugins/ has driven the development of possibly up to hundred plugins and components in only 3-4 months time. Nothing huge of course. But at least, it is possible to find something as simple as a working table object that can easily be reused across projects. http://projects.widged.com/exercist/etivities/activities/ table_data/index.html. Has this been done over the 6 months I was out of the list? I didn't read any post for months. I know you only mean to show some support but I fear that comments like Don't we already have one?, may have had for effect to encourage serious programmer who reads this list off the discussion. For one, I would be very interested in a technical discussion of this: http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/main and how, eventually, the apollo project allows to do more than is currently possible with revolution... to understand what is it that we can't do yet is the first step in understanding what needs to be done to become able to do it or Chipp Walters' take on Reusable Components Creating simple and complex components for re-use (cf. Conference DVD contents: http://runrev.com/offers/conference_dvd.php) Marielle ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
And a future 'direction' for Flash and Adobe: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:developerfaq Cheers, Luis. GregSmith wrote: If you want to see how Flash video is developing into THE interactive multimedia video format, you've got to take a look at what this guy is doing: http://www.gotoandlearn.com http://www.gotoandlearn.com http://www.lynda.com http://www.lynda.com (He sells his Flash video series here). - he's a Stanford grad and treating the subject very seriously. Flash Professional 8 hooked up with any kind of video converted to the .flv format makes an unbeatable pair. Now, I think Quicktime could have been launched into this arena with much more strength, but, somebody dropped the ball about 9 years ago, and nobody has picked it up, since. I wish it wasn't too late. Don't let Google win this fight! If interactive QuickTime authoring is ever going to make a comeback, it will have to be able to be friendlier than authoring in Flash, but just as interactive. Greg Smith ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Luis wrote: And a future 'direction' for Flash and Adobe: http://labs.adobe.com/ wiki/index.php/Apollo:developerfaq Gee, developing internet-enabled apps for the desktop that leverage existing technologies! What I wouldn't give for a development environment that would let me do that! Oh wait Don't we already have one? ;-) Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Devin Asay wrote: On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Luis wrote: And a future 'direction' for Flash and Adobe: http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:developerfaq Gee, developing internet-enabled apps for the desktop that leverage existing technologies! What I wouldn't give for a development environment that would let me do that! Oh wait Don't we already have one? We do, but to what extent we can say Revolution leverages existing technologies may require some qualification. ;-) Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Om shanti (In Peace) Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free! http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Unfortunately, Flash is not available for Palm OS, so all those video sites are unavailable to me when the closest PC is my Treo 700p. My phone handles QuickTime, MPEG and AVI/WMV just great. I still get a kick using Orb to tune into my Windows Media Center PC at home and watch live digital cable TV from anywhere. And of course, Flash is not natively supported in Rev. The altBrowser plugin is great... but on Windows, I don't think you can eliminate the border around embedded web pages. So that precludes a more integrated look-and-feel where you could incorporate tiny Flash movies as buttons, etc. Dan Shafer wrote It appears that most of the popular public video sites are using Flash movie format. I find this interesting. When I visit a site that doesn't use Flash, my Web browser (Firefox on Mac) often has trouble displaying the movies. But those that use Flash play perfectly every time. Maybe that's the reason. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
David Bovill wrote: First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Oh, but SMIL has already evolved far beyond Apple's weak support for it. While I agree with the assessment that Apple's NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here) apparently prevents them from fully capitalizing on this open standard, SMIL has one characteristic which has not yet been fully exploited: As an ASCII-based format rather than a proprietary binary one, SMIL lends itself uniquely well to dynamically-generated content. Don't underestimate the value of the allmighty dollar (or Euro, as the case may be). SMIL allows netcasters to insert advertising content specific to the viewer, perhaps more easily than any alternative. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
In case anyone wants to have a look at the latest (Open Source) player: http://www.cwi.nl/projects/Ambulant/distPlayer.html I think it also includes an SVG player if you want to embed something 'flash' like. Cheers, Luis. Richard Gaskin wrote: David Bovill wrote: First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Oh, but SMIL has already evolved far beyond Apple's weak support for it. While I agree with the assessment that Apple's NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here) apparently prevents them from fully capitalizing on this open standard, SMIL has one characteristic which has not yet been fully exploited: As an ASCII-based format rather than a proprietary binary one, SMIL lends itself uniquely well to dynamically-generated content. Don't underestimate the value of the allmighty dollar (or Euro, as the case may be). SMIL allows netcasters to insert advertising content specific to the viewer, perhaps more easily than any alternative. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Go this from: http://www.w3.org/TR/XHTMLplusSMIL/ 'The XHTML+SMIL profile defines a set of XHTML abstract modules that support a subset of the SMIL 2.0 specification. It includes functionality from SMIL 2.0 modules providing support for animation, content control, media objects, timing and synchronization, and transition effects. The profile also integrates SMIL 2.0 features directly with XHTML and CSS, describing how SMIL can be used to manipulate XHTML and CSS features. Additional semantics are defined for some XHTML elements and CSS properties.' Now, me thinks of Rev's XML cards, streaming data... Cheers, Luis. Richard Gaskin wrote: David Bovill wrote: First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Oh, but SMIL has already evolved far beyond Apple's weak support for it. While I agree with the assessment that Apple's NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here) apparently prevents them from fully capitalizing on this open standard, SMIL has one characteristic which has not yet been fully exploited: As an ASCII-based format rather than a proprietary binary one, SMIL lends itself uniquely well to dynamically-generated content. Don't underestimate the value of the allmighty dollar (or Euro, as the case may be). SMIL allows netcasters to insert advertising content specific to the viewer, perhaps more easily than any alternative. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Same issue for me, Bill. But I think the Palm Treo folks need to pony up on this one and support the clearly winning standard Flash stuff soon. It's clearly feasible; the Sony Clie folks have done it. ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/mobile/articles/sony_clie.html). On 10/25/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, Flash is not available for Palm OS, so all those video sites are unavailable to me when the closest PC is my Treo 700p. My phone handles QuickTime, MPEG and AVI/WMV just great. I still get a kick using Orb to tune into my Windows Media Center PC at home and watch live digital cable TV from anywhere. And of course, Flash is not natively supported in Rev. The altBrowser plugin is great... but on Windows, I don't think you can eliminate the border around embedded web pages. So that precludes a more integrated look-and-feel where you could incorporate tiny Flash movies as buttons, etc. Dan Shafer wrote It appears that most of the popular public video sites are using Flash movie format. I find this interesting. When I visit a site that doesn't use Flash, my Web browser (Firefox on Mac) often has trouble displaying the movies. But those that use Flash play perfectly every time. Maybe that's the reason. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
Yes, But.. :) Kinda done it. The support on the Clie is limited to Flash 5 and earlier. Plus it's a standalone viewer not integrated into the browser, so YouTube and Google Video are still out. And there are myriad other limitations: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/mobile/articles/sony_clie_9.0.html I agree it's feasible; just a question of Palm and Adobe working together. Palm's got a lot of other issues on its hands; the uncertainty around the platform may be a reason why Adobe and other vendors (notably, Skype) aren't investing much effort in it. Doesn't mean I love my Treo any less. Dan Shafer wrote: Same issue for me, Bill. But I think the Palm Treo folks need to pony up on this one and support the clearly winning standard Flash stuff soon. It's clearly feasible; the Sony Clie folks have done it. ( http://www.adobe.com/devnet/mobile/articles/sony_clie.html). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
If you want to see how Flash video is developing into THE interactive multimedia video format, you've got to take a look at what this guy is doing: http://www.gotoandlearn.com http://www.gotoandlearn.com http://www.lynda.com http://www.lynda.com (He sells his Flash video series here). - he's a Stanford grad and treating the subject very seriously. Flash Professional 8 hooked up with any kind of video converted to the .flv format makes an unbeatable pair. Now, I think Quicktime could have been launched into this arena with much more strength, but, somebody dropped the ball about 9 years ago, and nobody has picked it up, since. I wish it wasn't too late. Don't let Google win this fight! If interactive QuickTime authoring is ever going to make a comeback, it will have to be able to be friendlier than authoring in Flash, but just as interactive. Greg Smith -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Quicktime-Multimedia-Authoring---Nearly-Dead--tf2474191.html#a7002452 Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
On Oct 25, 2006, at 4:21 PM, GregSmith wrote: If interactive QuickTime authoring is ever going to make a comeback, it will have to be able to be friendlier than authoring in Flash, but just as interactive. Looking at QuickTime's history I think it is clear that they aren't competing in the all-in-one category. QuickTime is an architecture that enhances the playback environment, be in browser or desktop application. For example, QT 7 added much more comprehensive support for scripting within the browser. Now the browser coupled with QuickTime can accomplish more than before. It appears that QuickTime had to let some aspects of the architecture slide while they overhauled the audio/video for QuickTime 7. That was no small undertaking given the age of QuickTime. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
On 19/10/06, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I think QT is and has been for many years Apple's greatest single technology. I might now say it's tied with the iPod. Which is why I'd look at what this tie up means in terms of the future of QuickTime. First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Then look at iPod friendly podcast formats and tools - ie enhancing audio podcasts with images and chapters. I'm not sure about Google, but if I were to bet between QuickTime and Google Video + Youtube - I'd put my money with Google long term. That is Apple could loose a lot there. Of course QuickTime can easly be made to play any format - if it isn't playing flash video, is that not a strategic decision rather than a technical one? QuickTime is great - but it suffers from the technolog- looking-for-a-use thing for many of its features. Its gratest use IMO is to make it easy to create software like Final Cut Pro. What does that mean for RunRev? Well my 2 cents is they should look to QuickTime to allow Revolution to create Final Cut Prop type application, and to hedge their bets and watch Google closely with regard to the current basic video playback features of the Rev player. You might say they need to choose - they are a small team and they can't support both strategies? That is not true. It is not a matter any more of coding everything in house - it is a matter of properly supporting a development community. A lot more could be done to create the right atmosphere around external development projects such as Trevors enhanced quicktime external for instance. A similar official project could be set up - that is encouraged for cross-platform externals to interface with open source VLC / MPlayer? Rational? Not just to revitalise Revs cross-platform credentials (which was a unique feature of the platform), but also because the future digital war over video distribution is going to heavily feature open formats - and not just from the community - Google will use open strategies to outcompete players with well thought out DRM solutions but weak open source / open content strategies. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
David- Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 3:07:33 PM, you wrote: Which is why I'd look at what this tie up means in terms of the future of QuickTime. First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Then look at iPod friendly podcast formats and tools - ie enhancing audio podcasts with images and chapters. I'm not sure about Google, but if I were to bet between QuickTime and Google Video + Youtube - I'd put my money with Google long term. That is Apple Interesting re SMIL. Looking ahead, I'd say you're probably right. And Youtube uses flash video as its display channel. They come out as flv video files, so that's apparently where Google is heading re video. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
It appears that most of the popular public video sites are using Flash movie format. I find this interesting. When I visit a site that doesn't use Flash, my Web browser (Firefox on Mac) often has trouble displaying the movies. But those that use Flash play perfectly every time. Maybe that's the reason. Dan On 10/24/06, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David- Tuesday, October 24, 2006, 3:07:33 PM, you wrote: Which is why I'd look at what this tie up means in terms of the future of QuickTime. First it means SMIL is dead. That is because podcasts and iPod are not built on SMIL - so use it for now but don't expect the standard to evolve. Then look at iPod friendly podcast formats and tools - ie enhancing audio podcasts with images and chapters. I'm not sure about Google, but if I were to bet between QuickTime and Google Video + Youtube - I'd put my money with Google long term. That is Apple Interesting re SMIL. Looking ahead, I'd say you're probably right. And Youtube uses flash video as its display channel. They come out as flv video files, so that's apparently where Google is heading re video. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. The two applications that I find to be the most advanced QuickTime authoring solutions, (LiveStage and VideoClix), haven't done anything to make their packages attractive to new authors, not in years, either. Visiting the LiveStage website reveals that they are now focusing on being content providers, themselves, rather than offering an authoring solution for others. When emailing the VideoClix people for some technical answers, I get no response at all. So, it looks to me like Flash authoring, for the present, is the only viable, practical and timely solution for the kind of interactive authoring I need to perform. Also, for the Mac, there is only one thorough solution. And, though I hate supporting these corporate monsters, I went ahead and purchased the Macromedia Authoring Studio, for the total lack of finding anything comparable elsewhere, at any price. Very sad. Greg Smit ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
However, it should be noted you are speaking from a Windows perspective. In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
I'm friends with the VP of Quicktime at Apple. If someone can gather all the complaints and needs in one document point-by-point, I can make sure he's aware of your concerns and can perhaps tell us what's in the future for Quicktime without blowing an NDA. He also might be aware of some new QT based authoring products in the pipeline. Glenn was VERY bullish about and proud of the product, and I'd expect he's have a really good answer. It's worth a try. He was concerned and disappointed when he found Realaudio files on my sites! sqb However, it should be noted you are speaking from a Windows perspective. In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Quicktime Multimedia Authoring - Nearly Dead?
FWIW, I think QT is and has been for many years Apple's greatest single technology. I might now say it's tied with the iPod. :-D Dan On 10/19/06, Stephen Barncard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm friends with the VP of Quicktime at Apple. If someone can gather all the complaints and needs in one document point-by-point, I can make sure he's aware of your concerns and can perhaps tell us what's in the future for Quicktime without blowing an NDA. He also might be aware of some new QT based authoring products in the pipeline. Glenn was VERY bullish about and proud of the product, and I'd expect he's have a really good answer. It's worth a try. He was concerned and disappointed when he found Realaudio files on my sites! sqb However, it should be noted you are speaking from a Windows perspective. In my quest for finding the ultimate multimedia authoring tool, I've come to the tentative conclusion that QuickTime, (as far as an authoring platform is concerned), is falling so far behind that it could soon be considered dead. Apple, the very folks who should be promoting solutions for interactive QuickTime haven't done anything, themselves, for years. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- ~~ Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author http://www.shafermedia.com Get my book, Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought From http://www.shafermediastore.com/tech_main.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
