Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Richard Gaskin 

Mark Wieder wrote:


Friday, December 2, 2005, 8:56:45 AM, you wrote:

Thanks for mentioning this Mark. I just posted a message suggesting
that this list be mirrored on Gmane. I didn't bother to actually 
check to see if it was already there. I may switch to using that to 
cut down on my email volume.
 
...and I just replied to your message without reading this one first.


Maybe www.revjournal.com should have a section on its link page for
these alternate ways of viewing the discussions? Richard?


An excellent suggestion -- thanks for that, and to Scott Rossi for 
providing the URLs.


I've just added those to the top of revJournal's Links page:



We have a number of great new articles in the works for revJournal, with 
contributions from Malte Brill, Lynn Fredricks, Trevor DeVore, and more. 
 I've been wrapped up with client work these last several weeks, so my 
apologies to those fine authors and the revJournal readers for the delay 
in getting those posted.  I should be able to get those in place 
starting next week, so get ready for some great new stuff at revJournal.


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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder 
Rodney-

Friday, December 2, 2005, 8:56:45 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for mentioning this Mark. I just posted a message suggesting
> that this list be mirrored on Gmane. I didn't bother to actually 
> check to see if it was already there. I may switch to using that to 
> cut down on my email volume.

...and I just replied to your message without reading this one first.

Maybe www.revjournal.com should have a section on its link page for
these alternate ways of viewing the discussions? Richard?

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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder 
Bill-

Friday, December 2, 2005, 8:57:41 AM, you wrote:

> Yeah... really sorry for the misunderstanding :)

...one of the joys of email text... glad we're back on course now.

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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder 
Rodney-

Friday, December 2, 2005, 8:53:15 AM, you wrote:

> I agree with you, Bob. I REALLY wish that this list was available as

Have you tried looking on gmane?

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RE: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Lynch, Jonathan 
Web based forums do not require than you go to them - not at all.

It can be set up either way - you can set it up so that you receive
posted messages by e-mail, and when you respond to the message (by
email) it gets posted and distributed.

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Subject: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

Bob Hutchison wrote:

>The only better solution to this is NNTP. Unfortunately, USENET is 
>pretty much dead because of spam and finding a good news reader 
>these days is hard (actually, some ISPs are no longer supporting 
>NNTP). BTW, if you are on windows, check out Agent 
> if you want to see what I 
>think is a fabulous mail/news reader (they combine the two)... I 
>wish this was available on the Mac.
>
>The problem with web based forums is a) their functionality sucks 
>(yes, this is my opinion, and that's the point); and, b) you have to 
>go to them. Going to something is fundamentally the wrong way about. 
>This is why email, news (despite the spam), and weblogs are either 
>so entrenched or such active areas of development.

I agree with you, Bob. I REALLY wish that this list was available as 
a Usenet group. As a matter of fact, it would probably be pretty easy 
to have this list mirrored to gmane which hosts many other such 
programming mailing lists. Then people who prefer could use a good 
NNTP reader (I use Thoth on the Mac most of the time for this) and 
those who don't want the change could just keep using email. That 
would be the best of both worlds for everyone.

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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Bill Marriott 
Mark,

Yeah... really sorry for the misunderstanding :) I'm using the gmane NNTP 
view of the list now and it's great. I wish that RunRev published this means 
of accessing the list because it makes me very happy.

Bill

"Mark Wieder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
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> Bob-
>
> Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:08:05 AM, you wrote:
>
>>> Also, I feel the "well if you don't like it go somewhere else" type
>>> of feedback is less than mature or constructive, and quite
>>> defensive-sounding. Why stop with point #12? If I want 3D, why
>
>> I didn't read Mark's comment the way you did.
>
> Going back over my posting, I think I do, and that's not the way I
> intended it (late at night after a couple of glasses of wine, etc),
> so...
>
> There have been several web fora set up already - if that's your
> preferred way of handling these conversations, then do try them out. I
> do find these things useful in other contexts, I just haven't found
> any of the ones set up for rev development to be all that useful. But
> then that's my opinion. I certainly didn't mean "go somewhere else
> instead", but "go somewhere else also".
>
> You can also view this list archives in web format in one of several
> places: lists.runrev.com, Gmane, and the Mail Archive. My preferred
> way of using the lists as threaded archives is to use gmane and my
> news reader, Xnews. In any of these approaches you could have the
> content that we're all here for and not have to deal with email.
>
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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Rodney Somerstein 

You can also view this list archives in web format in one of several
places: lists.runrev.com, Gmane, and the Mail Archive. My preferred
way of using the lists as threaded archives is to use gmane and my
news reader, Xnews. In any of these approaches you could have the
content that we're all here for and not have to deal with email.


Thanks for mentioning this Mark. I just posted a message suggesting 
that this list be mirrored on Gmane. I didn't bother to actually 
check to see if it was already there. I may switch to using that to 
cut down on my email volume.


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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Mark Wieder 
Bob-

Friday, December 2, 2005, 6:08:05 AM, you wrote:

>> Also, I feel the "well if you don't like it go somewhere else" type
>> of feedback is less than mature or constructive, and quite  
>> defensive-sounding. Why stop with point #12? If I want 3D, why  

> I didn't read Mark's comment the way you did.

Going back over my posting, I think I do, and that's not the way I
intended it (late at night after a couple of glasses of wine, etc),
so...

There have been several web fora set up already - if that's your
preferred way of handling these conversations, then do try them out. I
do find these things useful in other contexts, I just haven't found
any of the ones set up for rev development to be all that useful. But
then that's my opinion. I certainly didn't mean "go somewhere else
instead", but "go somewhere else also".

You can also view this list archives in web format in one of several
places: lists.runrev.com, Gmane, and the Mail Archive. My preferred
way of using the lists as threaded archives is to use gmane and my
news reader, Xnews. In any of these approaches you could have the
content that we're all here for and not have to deal with email.

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Re: [OT] Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Bob Hutchison 


On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Bob Hutchison wrote:

There's your first problem, it is a mailing list so don't use  
digests. Filters, threading, keeping fragments of threads, and  
discontinuities in the flow of conversation results directly from  
digests. The way to go is individual email messages...


Wow, that was unintelligible...

Please pretend I wrote "Problems with Filters...".



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