Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Kay C Lan]

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Kay C Lan  wrote:

>  5 who bought iPads (well put their name on a list because the 3Gs were all
> sold out) were all 60+ and some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main
> purpose of the iPad purchase was to read.
>
>
Just had another opportunity to pop into an Apple store, of the 3 people who
came into pick up their iPads - they'd received their email giving them 24
hrs to collect - only 1 did, the other two declined, indicating that they'd
decided to put their name down for a model with larger RAM. Times are tuff?
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RE: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Looks interesting
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOL8V2IBq8
> 
> 
> I bought one to play around with..

It would be great if you guys would give the rest of us feedback on how well
it works.

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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Chipp Walters]

Looks interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgOL8V2IBq8


I bought one to play around with..

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Lynn Fredricks <
lfredri...@proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7
> > Er.96035782>
> >
> > I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs.
> > I already plan to update the firmware based on reports that
> > some bugs will be fixed, and it should improve responsiveness
> > and battery life too.
>
> Roger (and others), I think it would be great if you could keep us all up
> on
> how that works and usability. Since there are going to be oodles of Android
> devices, its going to be up to us to share experiences for deploying
> RevAndroid apps (when that happens).
>
> I think it would be interesting especially to see how an "entry priced"
> product like this handles being updated to something like 2.2 when it
> arrives.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
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RE: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Lynn Fredricks]

> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7
> Er.96035782>
> 
> I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs. 
> I already plan to update the firmware based on reports that 
> some bugs will be fixed, and it should improve responsiveness 
> and battery life too.

Roger (and others), I think it would be great if you could keep us all up on
how that works and usability. Since there are going to be oodles of Android
devices, its going to be up to us to share experiences for deploying
RevAndroid apps (when that happens).

I think it would be interesting especially to see how an "entry priced"
product like this handles being updated to something like 2.2 when it
arrives.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

On 05/24/2010 at 08:04 AM, Wayne Durden  wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Have you already the product in hand?  If so, how is your experience?
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Ian Wood  wrote:
>> P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that?
>>
>> I bought mine here:
>>
>> Retail:  $99.90
>> <
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169%7Er.29767964%7Er.96035782>

I don't have it yet, but I will report here how it performs. I already plan
to update the firmware based on reports that some bugs will be fixed, and
it should improve responsiveness and battery life too.

~Roger Eller


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[wayne durden]

Roger,

Have you already the product in hand?  If so, how is your experience?

Wayne


On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  wrote:

> Ian Wood  wrote:
> > P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that?
>
> I bought mine here:
>
> Retail:  $99.90
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169~r.29767964~r.96035782
>
> The firmware can be updated too.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTuGXbEnI_4
>
> ~Roger Eller
>
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

Ian Wood  wrote:
> P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that?

I bought mine here:

Retail:  $99.90
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39169~r.29767964~r.96035782

The firmware can be updated too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTuGXbEnI_4

~Roger Eller


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[René Micout]

In France also.
My mother is 83 years old, she has ordered an iPad and branching ADSL Internet 
access. This will be the first computer in his life ...

Le 24 mai 2010 à 03:24, Kay C Lan a écrit :

> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM,  wrote:
> 
>> I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's
>> computer.
>> 
>> Have to agree with this one. My completely unscientific survey at an Apple
> store recently noted that of all 6 purchases I witnessed, 1 was a Uni
> student who bought a MacBook whilst the other 5 who bought iPads (well put
> their name on a list because the 3Gs were all sold out) were all 60+ and
> some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main purpose of the iPad purchase
> was to read.
> 
> When I got home I rang my Mum (70+ y/o) with the intent on making some
> subtle inquiries about if she knew what a Kindle was etc, to gauge whether
> it was something she might use. To my surprise she was fully aware of what
> an iPad was, and has every intention of purchasing one as soon as they
> become available in her country.
> 
> The reason, a smart phone is way too small for any useful reading, she
> regularly drags a laptop to the State Library but feels it's too big, so a
> Pad style device seems to be the perfect compromise. She considered the
> Kindle too limited in scope for the work she has to do at the Library and
> was already aware of iApps that existed that were going to be 'very
> helpful'.
> 
> My Mum is an Windows user, is aware of my Apple tendancies, but due to how
> far away I live, my brothers, who consider Steve the anti-christ, ensure Mum
> is kept well clear of such uncleanliness. I must say I was very surprised.
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Kay C Lan]

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:08 AM,  wrote:

>  I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's
> computer.
>
> Have to agree with this one. My completely unscientific survey at an Apple
store recently noted that of all 6 purchases I witnessed, 1 was a Uni
student who bought a MacBook whilst the other 5 who bought iPads (well put
their name on a list because the 3Gs were all sold out) were all 60+ and
some mentioned they had a Kindle and the main purpose of the iPad purchase
was to read.

When I got home I rang my Mum (70+ y/o) with the intent on making some
subtle inquiries about if she knew what a Kindle was etc, to gauge whether
it was something she might use. To my surprise she was fully aware of what
an iPad was, and has every intention of purchasing one as soon as they
become available in her country.

The reason, a smart phone is way too small for any useful reading, she
regularly drags a laptop to the State Library but feels it's too big, so a
Pad style device seems to be the perfect compromise. She considered the
Kindle too limited in scope for the work she has to do at the Library and
was already aware of iApps that existed that were going to be 'very
helpful'.

My Mum is an Windows user, is aware of my Apple tendancies, but due to how
far away I live, my brothers, who consider Steve the anti-christ, ensure Mum
is kept well clear of such uncleanliness. I must say I was very surprised.
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Ian Wood]

Note that the battery capacity is only 1600mAh so battery life won't  
be too amazing with the 7" screen.


At least it has non-iPad app icons over the familiar background,  
unlike the 8" model which just has the standard iPad home screen  
comped in on the rendered images. ;-)


http://www.euogo.com/8-inch-ipad-style-android-slate-tablet-pc-with-wifi-office-youtube-skype-msn_p258.html

Ian

P.S. Anyone know what the retail price is for something like that?

On 23 May 2010, at 17:37, roger.e.el...@sealedair.com wrote:


Lynn,

You just cured my Android buying fever.  I may still grab a low-end  
tablet
just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I  
will wait
until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting  
something

better. I really like the smooth look of this one though.

http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html

~Roger Eller


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RE: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Lynn Fredricks]

> http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-m
id-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html

Really nice price too!

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Lynn Fredricks
President
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger.E.Eller wrote:


Lynn,

You just cured my Android buying fever.  I may still grab a low-end tablet
just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I will wait
until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting something
better.


The great thing about technology purchasing is that it's one of the few 
areas of life that consistently rewards the procrastinator. :)  Gadgets 
only get ever more powerful while also getting ever cheaper.


When I first heard about the coming iPad and similar devices I was 
intrigued but decided to see how it panned out.


With Apple's SDK change and Rev for Android still some time away, I 
assuaged myself in the meantime by getting a netbook, which has been a 
wonderful addition to my workflow for a little more than half the cost 
of an iPad (US$270 vs. $500).


Similar weight and size, built-in keyboard, protected screen thanks to 
the clamshell form factor, hundreds of thousands of apps for it (would 
have been millions but I prefer Ubuntu Netbook Remix over Windows), has 
a multitouch trackpad, but it also runs Rev and comes bundled with an 
entire computer. :)


Some have noted recent sales figures of the iPad as a reason to overlook 
the netbook market, but reading past the headlines we find two 
significant details:


1. The "market cannibalization" caused by the iPad's success isn't 
affecting just netbooks, but most computing devices including Apple's 
own laptops; the cannibalization effect is more horizontal than vertical.


2. Stats about this effect on netbook sales mention reduction not in 
unit sales but only of the GROWTH of unit sales.  So even with "The iPad 
Effect" netbook sales continue to increase, just continuing to grow at a 
slightly slower rate than they have been over the last couple years.


In more recent weeks, now that the excitement of the iPad launch has 
settled down a bit and analysts can examine the bigger picture from a 
more relaxed perspective, the outlook for netbooks is pretty good:


Netbook sellers need not fear the iPad, says analyst
Just 1% of potential netbook buyers will choose a tablet instead
May 18, 2010


Netbook sales will almost double in 2010




More stats with notes about the implications of netbook deployment for 
Rev developers here:


Netbook market on the rise



If you're itching for an ultra-portable gadget, a netbook offers an 
alternative you can enjoy Rev on today (and R and Squeek and all the 
other languages that are verboten on iPads).


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World
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RE: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

>> True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I
>> believe the market is ripe. I know more people with Android
>> phones than with iPhones actually.
>
> I agree. And yes, the market certainly is big enough now. But also, I
don't
> think Android support is going to happen this week for Rev. By the time
we
> can start testing an alpha I imagine there will be even more devices
> available.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Lynn,

You just cured my Android buying fever.  I may still grab a low-end tablet
just to play around with the OS and gain some familiarity, but I will wait
until we see what minimum version Rev supports before getting something
better. I really like the smooth look of this one though.

http://www.euogo.com/7-inch-google-android-16-tablet-pc-umpc-mid-notebook-with-wifi_p229.html

~Roger Eller


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RE: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would 
> be to just 
> > know someone who has one. If you don't know anyone who has 
> an Android 
> > phone, then maybe it's not a big enough market yet.
> 
> True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I 
> believe the market is ripe. I know more people with Android 
> phones than with iPhones actually.

I agree. And yes, the market certainly is big enough now. But also, I don't
think Android support is going to happen this week for Rev. By the time we
can start testing an alpha I imagine there will be even more devices
available.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Richard Gaskin]

Roger.E.Eller wrote:


Has the Rev team stated which version of Android will be the minimum spec -
1.5, 1.6 or 2.x?


I haven't read anything from RunRev specifying their stance on versions, 
but most of the world is now targeting 2.2 ("Froyo") and forward.


The earlier versions were useful in gaining a foothold with some 
manufacturers, but the differences between them have, as has been 
pointed out here, resulted in a target base that's hard for developers 
to aim for.


V2.1 is now considered a reasonable transitional focus until 2.2 is 
released this summer, and it is expected that most if not all 
manufacturers will adopt v2.2 as a migration path to a unified 3.0 next 
year.


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

Colin Holgate  wrote:
> The Android SDK comes with a simulator, although I haven't
> needed to use it. Instead, I just post the APK files online,
> and my colleague who has an Android phone just goes to that
> link, and the app installs.

I knew about the simulator, but when it comes to a touch screen based OS,
having a real device would be a plus.

> So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would
> be to just know someone who has one. If you don't know
> anyone who has an Android phone, then maybe it's not a
> big enough market yet.

True, but I don't want to bug friends for every test. I believe the market
is ripe. I know more people with Android phones than with iPhones actually.
Phones are a big part of the market, but wi-fi devices will be huge too.
Even with the 800x480 resolution of the Apad, it is still plenty for casual
reading. And for the elderly (and me) a 7" screen has to be easier on the
eyes. I see these low cost pad type devices becoming the future grandpa's
computer. People with limited mobility could still easily communicate with
family and friends. HUGE market potential.

~Roger Eller


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Colin Holgate]

The Android SDK comes with a simulator, although I haven't needed to use it. 
Instead, I just post the APK files online, and my colleague who has an Android 
phone just goes to that link, and the app installs.

So, the cheapest way to test Rev on Android devices would be to just know 
someone who has one. If you don't know anyone who has an Android phone, then 
maybe it's not a big enough market yet.



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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

> Ruslan Zasukhin  wrote:
>> And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this
device.
>> So you will be happy to trash it.

Someday soon, I can imagine major newspapers providing similar
very-low-cost (disposable) Android tablets as their 'green initiative'.
Think about it... a comfortable size tablet, included for free if you get a
2 - 3 year subscription.

>>
>> IMO this is the most weak place of Android ...
>>
>> They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible
>> zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ...

I like having a choice between multiple hardware providers. Competition
makes them try harder to make better products and lower prices. I see your
point about being overloaded with unnecessary drivers, etc. It can be
confusing to us humans. But in this age of technology, shouldn't the
computer/pad be smart enough to pick the correct driver on its own?

>
Sarah Reichelt  wrote:
> Yes, I agree with you there Ruslan.
> Except that I think Android is going to become the Linux of mobile
> devices, rather than the Microsoft.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah

There have been a few posts in agreement, for various reasons, that the
Apad may not be the best choice for an Android device to test revMobile
apps on. I would like to hear recommendations on other low-mid range
devices that you guys would get as a testing platform. The iPad of course
is not an option, or is it? I know that Android has been installed on an
iPhone, although it probably voided the commandments.

Has the Rev team stated which version of Android will be the minimum spec -
1.5, 1.6 or 2.x?

~Roger Eller


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Sarah Reichelt]

> And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this device.
> So you will be happy to trash it.
>
> IMO this is the most weak place of Android ...
>
> They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible
> zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ...


Yes, I agree with you there Ruslan.
Except that I think Android is going to become the Linux of mobile
devices, rather than the Microsoft.

Cheers,
Sarah
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Ruslan Zasukhin]

On 23/5/10 5:35 AM, "Colin Holgate"  wrote:

And ... No promise that next version of Android OS will work on this device.
So you will be happy to trash it.

IMO this is the most weak place of Android ...

They go by MS way -- any hardware, open devices ... As result incredible
zoo. Tons of drivers ... Overloaded systems ...


> There are a number of things you might want to worry about:
> 
> The resolution is the same as the 4 inch Android phones.
> 
> The screen is two inches smaller than the iPad.
> 
> The CPU is 1/2-1/3 of the speed of other Android devices. It's perhaps close
> to the speed of an iPhone 3GS, but it has 2.5 times the number of pixels to
> drive.
> 
> Its screen is resistive instead of the better capacitive touch, you may need
> to press harder to make things work.
> 
> The battery capacity is 1/8th that of the iPad.
> 
> The memory of the cheapest one is most likely 1/8th of the memory in the
> lowest end iPad.
> 
> It comes with the 1.5 version of Android, which is not uncommon, but some
> features (such as Flash player 10.1) will need version 2.1. I'm not so
> confident that the device will be first in line to get OS updates.
> 
> It is quite likely to have the typical number of touch points for low
> resolution Android devices, which means two at a time. iPad can be ten at a
> time.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

stephen barncard  wrote:
> I would worry about this paragraph - they seem to be on the edge of the
law.
>
> I sense Hong Kong here.
>
>  Do i have to pay custom taxes and duties?
>  No, you don't have to. We will mark the Apad as gift at very low value
> so that  you can avoid paying custom taxes and duties.

I noticed that one in the FAQ too.  This is only one of several suppliers
of the device. This is the only one I have seen that makes that statement.
It may be a more common practice than we know, just without saying it.

~Roger Eller


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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Mark Wieder]

Roger-

Saturday, May 22, 2010, 8:04:48 PM, you wrote:

> Mark - What's an eeePad? Is it like the eeePC (I have one)? Or is it
> another Android device? I definitely want an Android device since that is
> where revMobile is going.

Nothing's definite about the eeePad yet, I've seen some conflicting
stories about it, and nothing's been "officially" announced, but
there's a good bet that it'll be an Android device.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100423PD207.html
http://www.gadgetvenue.com/asus-eeepad-launch-july-04235635/

-- 
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 mwie...@ahsoftware.net

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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[stephen barncard]

I would worry about this paragraph - they seem to be on the edge of the law.

I sense Hong Kong here.

 Do i have to pay custom taxes and duties?
No, you don't have
to. We will mark the Apad as gift at very low value so that  you can avoid
paying custom taxes and duties.

On 22 May 2010 19:45, Mark Wieder  wrote:

> Colin-
>
> Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote:
>
> > There are a number of things you might want to worry about:
>
> The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept
> credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news
> on the eeePad myself.
>
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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Roger . E . Eller]

Mark Wieder  wrote:
> Colin-
>
> Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote:
>
>> There are a number of things you might want to worry about:
>
> The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept
> credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news
> on the eeePad myself.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
> mwie...@ahsoftware.net

Mark - What's an eeePad? Is it like the eeePC (I have one)? Or is it
another Android device? I definitely want an Android device since that is
where revMobile is going.

Colin - I am not interested in the iPad. Not right now anyway. I appreciate
the tech-spec comparison, but I just need something just good enough to
test Android apps. I do like the look of the iPad, and that is why I
mention the Apad. Because of the similar appearance, it will probably be
very popular with lower income consumers. Therefore Android market share
will increase even more, and that increases the success ratio for revMobile
developers. Even lower income consumers will buy a killer app for 99 cents.

~Roger Eller

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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Mark Wieder]

Colin-

Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:35:58 PM, you wrote:

> There are a number of things you might want to worry about:

The one I'd worry about is "Sorry, we don't accept Paypal, we accept
credit card payment via Moneybookers." I'm holding out for more news
on the eeePad myself.

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Re: Apad - The Andriod iPad

[Colin Holgate]

There are a number of things you might want to worry about:

The resolution is the same as the 4 inch Android phones.

The screen is two inches smaller than the iPad.

The CPU is 1/2-1/3 of the speed of other Android devices. It's perhaps close to 
the speed of an iPhone 3GS, but it has 2.5 times the number of pixels to drive.

Its screen is resistive instead of the better capacitive touch, you may need to 
press harder to make things work.

The battery capacity is 1/8th that of the iPad.

The memory of the cheapest one is most likely 1/8th of the memory in the lowest 
end iPad.

It comes with the 1.5 version of Android, which is not uncommon, but some 
features (such as Flash player 10.1) will need version 2.1. I'm not so 
confident that the device will be first in line to get OS updates.

It is quite likely to have the typical number of touch points for low 
resolution Android devices, which means two at a time. iPad can be ten at a 
time.



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