Re: Jailbreaking
Some more info: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/apple-loses-big-in-drm-ruling-jailbreaks-are-fair-use.ars -- watch for line breaks --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Kann mikek...@yahoo.com Subject: Jailbreaking To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:48 AM http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Michael Kann wrote: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Interesting. If we get the freedom to run our choice of apps on a given hardware system, will we someday get the freedom to run our choice of OSes on the hardware we choose? I trust Andrew Kluthe and I aren't the only people who daydream about being able to legally enjoy OS X on hardware not made by Apple. This is an interesting precedent, possibly the beginning of a deep sea change favoring consumer choice -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Subject: Jailbreaking To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:48 AM http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/0/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html I guess then that my original iPhone that I paid *full pop* for back in the day and have owned outright for over close to three years... the same one that I went well over and above the requirement in fulfilling the ATT contract for, is finally okay to do with what I want. rolling eyes After all, it is my property, right? /rolling eyes Hummm... I finally got fed up with that entire scenario, so it's been jail-broke, unlocked and running on T-Moble service without a contract for a couple of months now. big sheepish grin But don't tell anyone! /big sheepish grin Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Jailbreaking
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_ iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Id like to know what the sources have been for this information - the rumor sites have started their share of rumors based on very poor readings of press releases or other information. The only information I could find on the LOC site was this one: http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2010/10-169.html This does cover the use of handsets, but am I wrong or does this narrow the scope of the kinds of applications that would be affected? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
You can tell the whole world now! :-) But I wonder then if Apple is going to be all that motivated to manufacture high quality computers after people can buy (or download) Mac OS X and run it on a dirt cheap PC? Sometimes we can shoot ourselves in the foot in the name of fair play. Please oh God let us not go back to the days of the Performa when Apple became convinced by all the pundits that it had to compete in the business place to survive! And where are those pundits today? Probably writing for a hollywood rag. Bob On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:15 AM, David C. wrote: Subject: Jailbreaking To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:48 AM http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/0/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html I guess then that my original iPhone that I paid *full pop* for back in the day and have owned outright for over close to three years... the same one that I went well over and above the requirement in fulfilling the ATT contract for, is finally okay to do with what I want. rolling eyes After all, it is my property, right? /rolling eyes Hummm... I finally got fed up with that entire scenario, so it's been jail-broke, unlocked and running on T-Moble service without a contract for a couple of months now. big sheepish grin But don't tell anyone! /big sheepish grin Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Jailbreaking
Lynn, Not just a rumor: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1cf=allned=usncl=drR8VIgeKFQSqMMtKh9sJVmfw0j8Mtopic=t -- watch line breaks --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: From: Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com Subject: RE: Jailbreaking To: 'How to use Revolution' use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 12:35 PM http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_ iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Id like to know what the sources have been for this information - the rumor sites have started their share of rumors based on very poor readings of press releases or other information. The only information I could find on the LOC site was this one: http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2010/10-169.html This does cover the use of handsets, but am I wrong or does this narrow the scope of the kinds of applications that would be affected? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Thanks Lynn. That was a good read. I was intending to jailbreak my 3G iPhone in order to tether it, but there is a little blurb there which says, Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that enable used wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telecommunications network, when circumvention is initiated by the owner of the copy of the computer program solely in order to connect to a wireless telecommunications network and access to the network is authorized by the operator of the network. I read that to mean that ATT can still say that tethering is forbidden and I am still legally obligated to comply. sigh Bob On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_ iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Id like to know what the sources have been for this information - the rumor sites have started their share of rumors based on very poor readings of press releases or other information. The only information I could find on the LOC site was this one: http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2010/10-169.html This does cover the use of handsets, but am I wrong or does this narrow the scope of the kinds of applications that would be affected? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/initialed-registers-recommendation-june-11-2010.pdf Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 645 5394 NEW PHONE NUMBER Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_ iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Id like to know what the sources have been for this information - the rumor sites have started their share of rumors based on very poor readings of press releases or other information. The only information I could find on the LOC site was this one: http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2010/10-169.html This does cover the use of handsets, but am I wrong or does this narrow the scope of the kinds of applications that would be affected? Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Its not allowed because its not authorized by the operator of the network, which charges for that privilege. Neal ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Jailbreaking
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/initialed-registers-recomme ndation-june-11-2010.pdf Thanks Neil! One thing I notice immediately is that at least one of the not recommended made it to the final list, but others did not. It looks like a lot of really good ones got cut. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Michael- Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:44:10 AM, you wrote: Lynn, Not just a rumor: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1cf=allned=usncl=drR8VIgeKFQSqMMtKh9sJVmfw0j8Mtopic=t Oh, right. I forgot about the technique of using a news aggregator as validation. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Mark, Do you think it isn't true? Mike --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Subject: Re: Jailbreaking To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:35 PM Michael- Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:44:10 AM, you wrote: Lynn, Not just a rumor: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1cf=allned=usncl=drR8VIgeKFQSqMMtKh9sJVmfw0j8Mtopic=t Oh, right. I forgot about the technique of using a news aggregator as validation. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking Everything
memoryLane I remember a magazine article from my youth (1960's) describing how someone had taken a Fiat 600 and put a Porsche engine in it (I forget if it was a 912 or 911 engine - either one would be quite radical). Now THAT's a jailbreak I can appreciate! I guess it resonated with me because I had a Fiat 600 at the time. /memoryLane Phil Davis On 7/26/10 11:16 AM, Paul Looney wrote: Richard, I'd like to see everything jail broken. Next up: The ability to order a GM car with a Ford transmission and a Mercedes engine (especially the four cylinder, twin turbo, Diesel they have in Europe and Canada). This might spread beyond the US. Sarah could get a Ford Falcon with mechanicals from a Holden Commodore. Meanwhile in the European Union: Jan could get a Audi A8 with brakes from a BMW 7i. Kevin could upgrade his next Bentley with seats from a Ferrari. Hugh could get that wonderful Peugot suspension and put it into... Think I'll order a new Citroen catalog. Wonder if they still have the 2CV? Would be nice with the sound system from a ... Paul Looney On Jul 26, 2010, at 10:03 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Michael Kann wrote: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_unauthorized_apps.html -- watch for line breaks Interesting. If we get the freedom to run our choice of apps on a given hardware system, will we someday get the freedom to run our choice of OSes on the hardware we choose? I trust Andrew Kluthe and I aren't the only people who daydream about being able to legally enjoy OS X on hardware not made by Apple. This is an interesting precedent, possibly the beginning of a deep sea change favoring consumer choice -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Michael- Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:45:21 AM, you wrote: Do you think it isn't true? Not the point at all. Using internet news sites, or worse, an aggregator of internet news sites, as validation is only a step above using Wikipedia as an authoritative reference. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Jailbreaking
Mark, I got confused and sent this message to a parallel thread. It applies to this one as well so I'll repeat it: I think this one has been flogged enough. Mike --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: From: Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net Subject: Re: Jailbreaking To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 2:10 PM Michael- Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:45:21 AM, you wrote: Do you think it isn't true? Not the point at all. Using internet news sites, or worse, an aggregator of internet news sites, as validation is only a step above using Wikipedia as an authoritative reference. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
