Re: Phishy Paypal -- those guys pushing the envelope

2005-10-25 Thread Dom
Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i did forward a phishy message to PayPal
 and got an immediate response.

me, too
me, too!
/me, too

and got (almost) immediately 2 PayPal scams!

seems that those ù$^)* are very active...

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Re: Phishy Paypal -- those guys pushing the envelope

2005-10-25 Thread Timothy Miller

Erik Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 i did forward a phishy message to PayPal
 and got an immediate response.


me, too
me, too!
/me, too

and got (almost) immediately 2 PayPal scams!

seems that those ù$^)* are very active...

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Otherwise, it's likely a coincidence. I get two or three phishing spams a day.


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Re: Phishy Paypal -- those guys pushing the envelope

2005-10-24 Thread Timothy Miller
PayPal and eBay have a strong commercial incentive to discourage 
phishing. I'd guess they are working hard on the problem, as we speak.


If you happen to notice a phishing message in mailbox shortly after 
it arrives, forward it immediately (including all headers) to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If users keep doing this, some of 
these creeps will eventually get caught, and get severely punished.


If the phishing message is more than a few hours old, don't bother.


Tim


--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 PayPal phishing their own customers
 for info just doesn't make sense.


those guys are always pushing the envelope
refered to the bad guys in Romania or wherever.

the range of responses was VERY informative.

btw, spellcheck shows Gascony and Goatskin.

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Re: Phishy Paypal -- those guys pushing the envelope

2005-10-24 Thread Erik Hansen


--- Timothy Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you happen to notice a phishing message in
 mailbox shortly after
 it arrives, forward it immediately (including
 all headers) to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If users
 keep doing this, some of
 these creeps will eventually get caught, and
 get severely punished.
 
 If the phishing message is more than a few
 hours old, don't bother.

i did forward a phishy message to PayPal
and got an immediate response.

Erik Hansen


[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org



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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Erik Hansen

i am getting bogus PayPal email
asking for card info etc.
so nfar just deleting is working
but these guys are always pushing
the envelope.

Erik Hansen


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RE: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread MisterX
I can't tell you how much they do!

And they certainly don’t take their customer's problems seriously either!

X 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 Erik Hansen
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:58 AM
 To: How to use Revolution
 Subject: Re: Phishy Paypal 
 
 
 i am getting bogus PayPal email
 asking for card info etc.
 so nfar just deleting is working
 but these guys are always pushing
 the envelope.
 
 Erik Hansen
 
 
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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Hartman


On Oct 22, 2005, at 4:19 AM, MisterX wrote:


I can't tell you how much they do!

And they certainly don’t take their customer's problems seriously  
either!




If you mean PayPal -- it's pretty clearly not PayPal sending out all  
that PayPal phishing spam.


Charles Hartman




X



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Erik Hansen
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:58 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Phishy Paypal


i am getting bogus PayPal email
asking for card info etc.
so nfar just deleting is working
but these guys are always pushing
the envelope.

Erik Hansen


[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org



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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Thomas McGrath III
Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access to  
either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone does  
a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale and  
PayPal transaction.


I sent the email on to both and got a response very quickly. The  
emails stopped soon after.



Tom McGrath

On Oct 22, 2005, at 8:02 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:



On Oct 22, 2005, at 4:19 AM, MisterX wrote:



I can't tell you how much they do!

And they certainly don’t take their customer's problems seriously  
either!





If you mean PayPal -- it's pretty clearly not PayPal sending out  
all that PayPal phishing spam.


Charles Hartman





X




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Erik Hansen
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:58 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Phishy Paypal


i am getting bogus PayPal email
asking for card info etc.
so nfar just deleting is working
but these guys are always pushing
the envelope.

Erik Hansen


[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.erikhansen.org



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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Thomas McCarthy

The Other T.M. wrote:
Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access to
either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone does
a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale and
PayPal transaction.

I sent the email on to both and got a response very quickly. The
emails stopped soon after.

This T.M.'s experience: Eerily similar. I've been testing my Instant Payment 
Notification cgi--having it email me when payments are completed, and lo and 
behold every time I tested it I got a piece of spam right next to my PayPal 
one. Could be on my side, though...h.

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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Mark Wieder
Thomas-

Saturday, October 22, 2005, 5:28:50 AM, you wrote:

 Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access to
 either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone does
 a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale and  
 PayPal transaction.

Well, eBay does own PayPal, so...

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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Bruce A. Pokras
Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access to 
either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone does 
a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale and 
PayPal transaction.


I sent the email on to both and got a response very quickly. The 
emails stopped soon after.


Tom McGrath



The phishers do not necessarily have PayPal mailing lists. I have 
neither a PayPal nor eBay account, and I get plenty of phishing spams 
for both companies. So the phishers are just using regular spam lists 
and hoping to hit PayPal and eBay customers.


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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread jbv

true.
if you check carefully that kind of phishy emails, you'll notice that
very often it sends data back to a server located in Romania...

JB


 The phishers do not necessarily have PayPal mailing lists. I have
 neither a PayPal nor eBay account, and I get plenty of phishing spams
 for both companies. So the phishers are just using regular spam lists
 and hoping to hit PayPal and eBay customers.


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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Charles Hartman


On Oct 22, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Sounds reasonable.  Why would PayPal phish its own customers?   
Weird idea


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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Dennis Brown
I just used my Paypal for a transaction yesterday after a long period  
of not using it.  Today I have been Phished twice by phony Paypal  
emails and sites!


Dennis

On Oct 22, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Bruce A. Pokras wrote:

Obviously it is not PayPal doing it BUT someone IS gaining access  
to either PayPal and/or eBay and their mailing lists 'when someone  
does a transaction'. This started for me right after an eBay sale  
and PayPal transaction.


I sent the email on to both and got a response very quickly. The  
emails stopped soon after.


Tom McGrath




The phishers do not necessarily have PayPal mailing lists. I have  
neither a PayPal nor eBay account, and I get plenty of phishing  
spams for both companies. So the phishers are just using regular  
spam lists and hoping to hit PayPal and eBay customers.


Bruce Pokras
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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Richard Gaskin

Dennis Brown wrote:
I just used my Paypal for a transaction yesterday after a long period  
of not using it.  Today I have been Phished twice by phony Paypal  
emails and sites!


There may or may not be a cause-and-effect relationship there.  After 
all, phishing is an attempt to get account info from someone -- if 
you're already a PayPal customer and PayPal were doing the phishing, 
they'd just be working overtime to get info they already have.


You could test this theory by using a complex semi-random email address 
that's not published anywhere else.


But I suspect such a test will turn out negative.  Not that I have 
enough experience with PayPal to vouch for them, but simply that PayPal 
phishing their own customers for info just doesn't make sense.


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Re: Phishy Paypal -- those guys pushing the envelope

2005-10-22 Thread Erik Hansen


--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 PayPal phishing their own customers 
 for info just doesn't make sense.

those guys are always pushing the envelope
refered to the bad guys in Romania or wherever.

the range of responses was VERY informative.

btw, spellcheck shows Gascony and Goatskin.

Erik Hansen



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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Stephen Barncard
But one will never know whether it was coincidence or not unless one 
uses a special email address for Paypal transactions. I have never 
gotten a 'phishing' email from anyone using the special email address 
I created. This is highly recommended if you can have multiple 
addresses or aliases on your email account.


I just used my Paypal for a transaction yesterday after a long 
period of not using it.  Today I have been Phished twice by phony 
Paypal emails and sites!


Dennis



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Re: Phishy Paypal

2005-10-22 Thread Erik Hansen


--- Stephen Barncard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But one will never know whether it was
 coincidence or not unless one
 uses a special email address for Paypal
 transactions. I have never
 gotten a 'phishing' email from anyone using the
 special email address
 I created. This is highly recommended if you
 can have multiple
 addresses or aliases on your email account.

tanks for duh tip.

i do have a special bank account that i only
load prior to a purchase. i also keep a small
amount in PayPal for convenience.

Erik Hansen

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