Re: AltBrowser Question
Ivan, I'm not at my desk right now, but please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we can help you. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question...etc. (slightly OT).
On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 07:41 AM, Ken Norris wrote: If I were to guess based on past OS X developments, this WebKit thing it's going to be only available on Cheetah (next Mac OS release). --- Where did you see/hear "Cheetah"? AFAIK, "Panther" is the codename of the next Mac OS 10.3 release: Thanks, I realized after I sent that message that I was not up to snuff on my cat names. :-) Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question...etc. (slightly OT).
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:34:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser... > From: Trevor DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> If I were to guess based on past OS X developments, this WebKit thing >> it's going to be only available on Cheetah (next Mac OS release). --- Where did you see/hear "Cheetah"? AFAIK, "Panther" is the codename of the next Mac OS 10.3 release: <http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/> <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,993535,00.asp> <http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/03/21/panther/> Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
Alex, Not sure, but I think Tuviah may be going there. Good point about KHTML. Perhaps Andu's interested (He's a C programmer, no?) or Chris (another Open Source C programmer). -Chipp > I'm not able to go to WWDC, I just really want to root for Chipp, Chris > and Tuviah. altBrowser is so cool, and if it could run on MacOS > versions as well it would be simply amazing. Can you develop one for > Linux and BSD too? Safari's KHTML after all came from KDE project :-) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:59 AM, Alex Rice wrote: Yep I've been following that on the cocoa-dev mailing list too. I've attached an interesting post. I'm not able to go to WWDC, I just really want to root for Chipp, Chris and Tuviah. altBrowser is so cool, and if it could run on MacOS versions as well it would be simply amazing. Can you develop one for Linux and BSD too? Safari's KHTML after all came from KDE project :-) Thanks for the info Alex. That clears up a couple of questions I had on the subject. Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 10:34 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: Apparently there is some web stuff available on Jaguar. Omni Group has a beta of OmniWeb that uses WebCore and JavaScriptCore frameworks. I am not familiar with these but take a look at the article at http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/06/05/omniweb/ Yep I've been following that on the cocoa-dev mailing list too. I've attached an interesting post. I'm not able to go to WWDC, I just really want to root for Chipp, Chris and Tuviah. altBrowser is so cool, and if it could run on MacOS versions as well it would be simply amazing. Can you develop one for Linux and BSD too? Safari's KHTML after all came from KDE project :-) -- From: Greg Titus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:22:15 AM America/Denver To: Daryl Thachuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WebCore revisted X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) On Thursday, April 10, 2003, at 10:04 AM, Daryl Thachuk wrote: Since Omni has now started using WebCore in OmniWeb has anyone else had success in using WebCore? Or did Omni get special secret help from Apple in integrating WebCore in OmniWeb. No, we did not get special secret help, we just put a lot of effort into it. Here's a thread from the MacNN forums that talks about this. Tim: I wouldn't exactly say we reverse engineered it, but we did spend about a month (in fact, we still are) researching various ways of interacting with WebCore in a stable, efficient manner. The problem is that although KHTML has some fairly extensive documentation, there is little to no documentation for WebCore. The plan right now is to continue to use our own layer over WebCore instead of using Apple's upcoming Safari SDK (WebKit, WebFoundation). Among other things, this allows us to make bug fixes and customizations at our own pace instead of waiting for Apple to do it for us. Rick: When WebCore was first released quite a few cocoa programers tried to build an application around it and ran into a ton of difficulties. I'm assuming that Omni figured out these issues and reverse engineered the bridge that takes the layout from khtml and makes it an actual view. Part of the problem was that the first attempts people made to use WebCore sort of assumed it was a complete "web engine". It's not -- it expects to be plugged into something greater which provides text layout, image rendering, integration into the NSView hierarchy, etc, and as Tim2 notes, the procotols for doing this weren't documented. But again, it's hard to call the process of figuring out how to use that "reverse engineering" since WebCore is open source. To further elaborate on Tim2's comments: Apple's forthcoming Safari SDK (WebKit/WebFoundation) is expected to be closed-source. This will be fine for everybody who wants to embed an HTML viewer as a "black box" within their app... but we're making a full-featured web browser. In order to distinguish ourselves from the competition we need the freedom to enhance functionality and add innovative features in any part of the software, and we can't do that with a "black box". Features like the cookie filtering and zoomed form editor we've brought forward from 4.2 to 4.5 would be much more difficult without being able to modify the "engine" parts. Hope this helps, - Greg ___ cocoa-dev mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Help/Unsubscribe/Archives: http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/cocoa-dev Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
On Monday, June 16, 2003, at 02:43 AM, Alex Rice wrote: Time to ante up folks! altBrowser looks like winner! Apparently Apple has not yet released the web browser API "WebKit", although I see it's forthcoming from looking at the WWDC schedules. What versions of MacOS do you think the altBrowser will run on? It won't run on OS 9 right? If I were to guess based on past OS X developments, this WebKit thing it's going to be only available on Cheetah (next Mac OS release). Apple will undoubtedly be shipping Safari with future Mac OS releases since MS just announced there will be no more Internet Explorer released for Mac OS. But it could be a little tricky if someone is running Mac OS 10.0 to 10.2 and they haven't downloaded Safari. Apparently there is some web stuff available on Jaguar. Omni Group has a beta of OmniWeb that uses WebCore and JavaScriptCore frameworks. I am not familiar with these but take a look at the article at http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/06/05/omniweb/ Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question
On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Gary Rathbone wrote: Although I appreciatate the benefits of "LEO" I'm more into the integration of application environments into the user defined system. What's LEO? Why reinvent the wheel? We've all got a web browser, so why fight to force user requirements into a single development environment? Eg. No matter how you manipulate "tables" in Rev it will never beat Excel. Chipp and Tuviah, I take my hat/cap off to you for providing a fantastic DLL which does a great job for certain requirements. As I know you're aware, it will never beat full browser capabilitiles. Yes I hope nobody thinks they will be competing with Internet Explorer or Mozilla by using this external. But something you might not understand is that altBrowser IS the Internet Explorer engine plugged into a Revolution external. Or Mozilla engine. No reinventing the wheel about it: this IS the wheel. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question
Where are you/they clicking the button? On a Rev app? On a website? On your website? This is important, you can deal with it ! Although I appreciatate the benefits of "LEO" I'm more into the integration of application environments into the user defined system. Why reinvent the wheel? We've all got a web browser, so why fight to force user requirements into a single development environment? Eg. No matter how you manipulate "tables" in Rev it will never beat Excel. Chipp and Tuviah, I take my hat/cap off to you for providing a fantastic DLL which does a great job for certain requirements. As I know you're aware, it will never beat full browser capabilitiles. There's a great mix of opportunities out there to achieve true cross platform and cross product integration... As I've said before, just think sidewards... Regards Gary Rathbone BSc MBCS > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edwin Gore > Sent: 14 June 2003 19:42 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: altBrowser Question > > Chipp, > > Figured the answer to this might be valuable to others, so I decded to put > it on the list. > > When using the altBrowser plug-in, is it possible to access the data in > the > browser? I'm wondering because for something I am woking on it would be > really neat to let users browse through a particular website and then, if > they see something they like, click a button which would cause my app to > grab some data off the site and do stuff with it. > > altBrowser gets fed the URL to go to by RunRev, is that correct? If so I > suppose that even if I can't directly pull the data out of the browser > plug-in, I could still grab and parse the url > > Anyway, look forward to hearing the answers on this. > > Thanks, > > Edwin Gore > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 04:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: I also contacted Kevin at RunRev and asked his interest in RR using the DLL inside their own product. He responded by saying they would consider it IF there was cross-platform support. Well, Chris and I weren't in a position to build a Mac version. Tuviah said he'd consider it. That's were we are now. Tuviah is still interested in building a 'Safari' version, if people are interested. Time to ante up folks! altBrowser looks like winner! Apparently Apple has not yet released the web browser API "WebKit", although I see it's forthcoming from looking at the WWDC schedules. What versions of MacOS do you think the altBrowser will run on? It won't run on OS 9 right? If I were to guess based on past OS X developments, this WebKit thing it's going to be only available on Cheetah (next Mac OS release). Apple will undoubtedly be shipping Safari with future Mac OS releases since MS just announced there will be no more Internet Explorer released for Mac OS. But it could be a little tricky if someone is running Mac OS 10.0 to 10.2 and they haven't downloaded Safari. Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question
Hi Gary, > > Chipp and Tuviah, I take my hat/cap off to you for providing a fantastic > > DLL which does a great job for certain requirements. As I know you're > > aware, it will never beat full browser capabilitiles. > > Thanks. When you say 'it will never beat full browser capabilities', I'm not sure what you mean. altBrowser encapsulates either IE or Mozilla --both full browsers. Let me know in more detail what you are referring to. It may help make the product better. best, Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question
> Chipp and Gary,
>
> Basically, what I want to be able to do is pop up a browser
> window, and then
> let the user navigate around through a 3rd party site - Amazon.com - then,
> when they get to a page that has a product of interest to them,
> press a Rev
> button and grab the URL and parse through it for some info that I need to
> make XML calls to Amazon Web Services and get some data back that
> I pop into
> a database stack.
>
> So all I really care about is whether or not Rev can find out the URL that
> is currently being displayed in the browser window.
>
Edwin,
You can access the current URL of the browser using altBrowser with a single
function:
XBrowser_Get("URL")
Please download the demo and view the help file to learn more about the
properties and functions for altBrowser.DLL
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RE: altBrowser Question
Sounds interesting... And sounds like you've got a reasonable amount of control... Without any further info, I'd approach it as follows... It sounds like the user will already have your Rev app? In which case you could launch a split frame browser. The frame 'A' as normal on port 80 and frame 'B' from your Rev app. This means the user can surf the web in frame 'A'. When a button in frame 'B' is pressed this can be passed to your Rev app on a local port. With a bit of Javascript/VBScript you've got total control of the web content which can be passed to Rev for parsing, processing and if necessary results returned to the browser, or your Rev app. I've got a mish mash of routines that I really should put together in a stack or few to demonstrate this stuff... Its at least worth a chapter in a book ;-) Regards Gary Rathbone BSc MBCS > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edwin Gore > Sent: 15 June 2003 00:18 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: altBrowser Question > > Chipp and Gary, > > Basically, what I want to be able to do is pop up a browser window, and > then > let the user navigate around through a 3rd party site - Amazon.com - then, > when they get to a page that has a product of interest to them, press a > Rev > button and grab the URL and parse through it for some info that I need to > make XML calls to Amazon Web Services and get some data back that I pop > into > a database stack. > > So all I really care about is whether or not Rev can find out the URL that > is currently being displayed in the browser window. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: altBrowser Question
Chipp and Gary, Basically, what I want to be able to do is pop up a browser window, and then let the user navigate around through a 3rd party site - Amazon.com - then, when they get to a page that has a product of interest to them, press a Rev button and grab the URL and parse through it for some info that I need to make XML calls to Amazon Web Services and get some data back that I pop into a database stack. So all I really care about is whether or not Rev can find out the URL that is currently being displayed in the browser window. Currently, I am only interested in doing this on Windows, though who knows...I might to a Mac version someday, though I figure that there is probably someway to do what I need already there with AppleScript. Edwin Gore - Original Message - From: "Gary Rathbone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: RE: altBrowser Question > > Where are you/they clicking the button? On a Rev app? On a website? On > > your website? This is important, you can deal with it ! > > > > Although I appreciatate the benefits of "LEO" I'm more into the > > integration of application environments into the user defined system. > > > > Why reinvent the wheel? We've all got a web browser, so why fight to force > > user requirements into a single development environment? Eg. No matter how > > you manipulate "tables" in Rev it will never beat Excel. > > > > Chipp and Tuviah, I take my hat/cap off to you for providing a fantastic > > DLL which does a great job for certain requirements. As I know you're > > aware, it will never beat full browser capabilitiles. > > > > There's a great mix of opportunities out there to achieve true cross > > platform and cross product integration... > > > > As I've said before, just think sidewards... > > > > Regards > > > > Gary Rathbone BSc MBCS > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edwin Gore > > > Sent: 14 June 2003 19:42 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: altBrowser Question > > > > > > Chipp, > > > > > > Figured the answer to this might be valuable to others, so I decded to > > put > > > it on the list. > > > > > > When using the altBrowser plug-in, is it possible to access the data in > > > the > > > browser? I'm wondering because for something I am woking on it would be > > > really neat to let users browse through a particular website and then, > > if > > > they see something they like, click a button which would cause my app to > > > grab some data off the site and do stuff with it. > > > > > > altBrowser gets fed the URL to go to by RunRev, is that correct? If so I > > > suppose that even if I can't directly pull the data out of the browser > > > plug-in, I could still grab and parse the url > > > > > > Anyway, look forward to hearing the answers on this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Edwin Gore > > > > > > ___ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question
> Where are you/they clicking the button? On a Rev app? On a website? On > your website? This is important, you can deal with it ! > > Although I appreciatate the benefits of "LEO" I'm more into the > integration of application environments into the user defined system. > > Why reinvent the wheel? We've all got a web browser, so why fight to force > user requirements into a single development environment? Eg. No matter how > you manipulate "tables" in Rev it will never beat Excel. > > Chipp and Tuviah, I take my hat/cap off to you for providing a fantastic > DLL which does a great job for certain requirements. As I know you're > aware, it will never beat full browser capabilitiles. > > There's a great mix of opportunities out there to achieve true cross > platform and cross product integration... > > As I've said before, just think sidewards... > > Regards > > Gary Rathbone BSc MBCS > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edwin Gore > > Sent: 14 June 2003 19:42 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: altBrowser Question > > > > Chipp, > > > > Figured the answer to this might be valuable to others, so I decded to > put > > it on the list. > > > > When using the altBrowser plug-in, is it possible to access the data in > > the > > browser? I'm wondering because for something I am woking on it would be > > really neat to let users browse through a particular website and then, > if > > they see something they like, click a button which would cause my app to > > grab some data off the site and do stuff with it. > > > > altBrowser gets fed the URL to go to by RunRev, is that correct? If so I > > suppose that even if I can't directly pull the data out of the browser > > plug-in, I could still grab and parse the url > > > > Anyway, look forward to hearing the answers on this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Edwin Gore > > > > ___ > > use-revolution mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
Edwin, First a bit of a background on altBrowser.DLL. I originally wanted this capability for a client of mine. I wished to build a custom browser with many set features, which also allowed his customers to navigate only to specific places. Upon asking around, it turned out Tuviah Snyder (of RR and MC fame) had already authored such a DLL. I asked him about it and found out it didn't do everything I needed, so I negotiated the purchase of the source code, with the understanding any changes made to it, I would make available back to Tuviah. My partner, Chris Bohnert, an accomplished C programmer himself, would be able to make the *other* changes. I also contacted Kevin at RunRev and asked his interest in RR using the DLL inside their own product. He responded by saying they would consider it IF there was cross-platform support. Well, Chris and I weren't in a position to build a Mac version. Tuviah said he'd consider it. That's were we are now. Tuviah is still interested in building a 'Safari' version, if people are interested. Recently, we chatted and floated the number of $75 for both versions...Mac and PC. Neither of us are planning on this as a significant revenue stream. We would of course like to recover our expenses, and pay for the inevitable support which is needed. So, those of you *seriously* interested in the Mac version, please fill out the form at the bottom of this page. http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/altBrowser.htm When I say seriously interested, I mean there's a great chance you'd be willing to pay for this product. The decision on how to prioritize it's development is based upon how many serious responses we get. Edwin, back to your question... Since I didn't write the source code for altBrowser, I asked Chris Bohnert, one of the authors, and he said if it's not in there now, it's easy to implement. Of course, if you need to parse the data, you can always 'get URL' as well. There are a couple of minor fixes we'll need to make in the near future, I'll add this request as well. BTW, currently there is a feature which will allow you to 'get the requested URL' which will allow you to intercept it, process it inside RR, then pass it on to the browser (if you wish). So, if you write your HTML a certain way, you *can* process clicks on a page within RR. This product was written probably about a year ago, but Tuviah had to made some changes to the MC engine for it to work properly -- so we couldn't release until RR2.0. This is why I'm a bit unclear regarding all of it's features. -Chipp > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edwin Gore > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: altBrowser Question > > > Chipp, > > Figured the answer to this might be valuable to others, so I decded to put > it on the list. > > When using the altBrowser plug-in, is it possible to access the > data in the > browser? I'm wondering because for something I am woking on it would be > really neat to let users browse through a particular website and then, if > they see something they like, click a button which would cause my app to > grab some data off the site and do stuff with it. > > altBrowser gets fed the URL to go to by RunRev, is that correct? If so I > suppose that even if I can't directly pull the data out of the browser > plug-in, I could still grab and parse the url > > Anyway, look forward to hearing the answers on this. > > Thanks, > > Edwin Gore > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
