RE: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-21 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto

At 4:51 PM -0700 7/20/2006, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

There is a thread in the support forum for it. If in the next newsletter we
set up some sort of automated petition to krugle include Revolution, would
you all be willing to participate?


An automated petition might be interpreted as spam - particularly if 
organized by the seller of a commercial product.


I would advise against this and suggest simply bringing the site to 
Revolution users' attention, as has already been done on the list.

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Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-21 Thread Klaus Major


Am 21.07.2006 um 08:03 schrieb Richmond Mathewson:


...

Probably the best response to any stuffed-shirts who state that  
xTalk is not
a real computer language (presumably the corollary of that argument  
is that
it is a fake language - see what I mean?) is for one of the  
better programmers in

our community to develop a website that searches for xTalk code, and
we then will have no Kugels any more (sorry, a pun I slipped in for  
Klaus Major and

the German contingent).


And THAT would be a pity! :-)


sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


Best

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Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-21 Thread Richard Gaskin

Richmond Mathewson wrote:


now we all know that the MetaCard IDE is open source

we all know that the Engine that drives both MC and RR is proprietary

so where does that leave xTalk / MetaTalk / Transcript ???


This isn't all that mysterious, any more than it was last time you asked:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/metacard/2006-January/008941.html

I'm not sure why this gets forgotten, but please keep a bookmark to this 
post should this ever mystify again in the future:


IDEs are just a collection of stacks, not much different from images 
created with Photoshop or other documents created with other applications.


Just as anyone can distribute images under the Creative Commons or other 
license which were created with proprietary tools like Photoshop, one 
can license their Rev stacks however they like as well.


There are many IDEs, some open source and some proprietary, and all of 
them benefit Rev in that each requires a Rev license to be used.


If we step back and look at the bigger picture, this is not much 
different than those who publish open source executables like Firefox 
which run on proprietary operating systems like OS X and Windows.


So as the inventor of the engine, Scott Raney, used to say, Let a 
thousand flowers bloom


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Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-20 Thread Roger . E . Eller
On 07/20/2006, at 3:17 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
 If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is devoted to 
Open Source languages.
 and, Here, We, Go, Again . . .
 now we all know that the MetaCard IDE is open source
 we all know that the Engine that drives both MC and RR is proprietary
 so where does that leave xTalk / MetaTalk / Transcript ???
 this is probably one of the reasons it is no included on the Krugle 
site.
 sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

I don't think the site exclusive to open source languages, but are 
supportive of them. Krugle itself was designed using open source 
technologies. Code snippets -can be- open source (when placed into the 
public domain) even if written in a commercial language. Therefore, I 
believe xtalks should be generally supported. This is how they describe 
the krugle search engine: Unlike conventional search engines, Krugle is 
designed to locate code. Krugle supports code search by crawling, parsing 
and indexing code found in all open source repositories, as well as code 
that exists in archives, mailing lists, blogs, and web pages.

See, they mention mailing lists. Aren't we a mailing list? It looks like 
it should be able to index our list if they only had an xtalk category.

Roger Eller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-20 Thread Lynn Fredricks
 If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is 
 devoted to Open Source languages.
 
 and, Here, We, Go, Again . . .

There is a thread in the support forum for it. If in the next newsletter we
set up some sort of automated petition to krugle include Revolution, would
you all be willing to participate?

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd



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Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-20 Thread Dan Shafer

Yep

On 7/20/06, Lynn Fredricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is
 devoted to Open Source languages.

 and, Here, We, Go, Again . . .

There is a thread in the support forum for it. If in the next newsletter
we
set up some sort of automated petition to krugle include Revolution, would
you all be willing to participate?

Best regards,


Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution, Ltd



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Re: [ANN] www.krugle.com --- xtalk not a real language

2006-07-20 Thread Jesse Sng
If you poke about on the krugle site it is stated that it is devoted 
to Open Source languages.


and, Here, We, Go, Again . . .


So xTalk is not a real language, but it can be used to build real 
applications. Hmmm.



Jesse Sng
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