Re: [OT] Adobe Apps for MacIntel

2007-01-04 Thread Bill Marriott
Jim,

CS2 is MacIntel compatible; it's just not MacIntel *optimized*.

Almost all EULAs state that if you do not accept the terms of the licensing 
agreement you may return the package for a full refund. Depending on how 
recently you purchased and installed CS2, it may well be plausible to return 
it for the reason you do not accept the EULA. You generally must open the 
shrinkwap and attempt installation in order to view the EULA.

Also, some retailers have more liberal return policies for purchases made 
during the holiday season. (I was really excited when Auntie May got me CS2 
but it just runs too slowly on my system.)

Amazon will accept returns through Jan 31 for purchases shipped Nov 1 - Dec 
31.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=15015711

Amazon will also refund software purchases. If the software has been opened 
they reserve the option to give a partial refund (typically 90%) but in 
practice it's usually 100% if you have all the material. All good reasons to 
buy from Amazon.

Adobe announced that PhotoShop CS3 would be shipping in Spring 2007 on Dec 
14. Their policy in the past has always been to give free upgrades to people 
who purchased after the announcement and/or within 30 days of shipping the 
new version. However, they were mum in this press release about the overall 
CS3 Suite.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200612/121406Photoshop.html

I recently called Adobe to discuss my upgrade options (I'm a CS2.0 Premium 
user) and they didn't have any specifics on the CS3 suite release date. 
Basically they told me that there would be a new suite to accommodate 
PhotoShop CS3 but they didn't have any information on which of the other 
products would be updated.

Hope this helps,

Bill


Jim Carwardine 
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Re: [OT] Adobe Apps for MacIntel

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Wood


On 4 Jan 2007, at 14:04, Jim Carwardine wrote:


With further research I discovered that they brought a beta version of
Photoshop out in December that was a free upgrade if had recently  
bought the
CS2 version but that they want full price for the full CS3 version  
when it

comes out regardless of when you bought CS2.


The CS3 beta is limited to 2 days if you don't have a CS2 licence,  
and 30 days even if you *do* have a CS2 licence. So there's no free  
upgrades involved with the beta anyway.


I could find no mention of the other apps in the suite.  Does  
anyone know if

the entire CS is being published in April 07?


They've been remarkably quite about the rest of the suite, we still  
don't even know what apps from Adobe 7 Macromedia are going to be  
carried forwards...


Apparently Adobe says CS3 is such a massive upgrade that they do  
not want to

honour their upgrade policy for recent buyers of CS2.


There's a certain amount of truth in that, as far as I know it's been  
pretty much re-written to be MacIntel  Vista compatible.
And BOY does it make a difference on an Intel Mac! CS2 launch on a  
MBP is 20-25s, CS3 is 4-5s.


Now, because I opened the package, I may be stuck with old software  
and no

options but to buy it again to get the CS3 version.


At the very worst you'd have to buy an upgrade, like the rest of us  
who have older copies of CS2. I can't believe that Adobe are insane  
enough to make everyone buy Photoshop again from scratch. There are  
likely to be all sorts of different bundles, though, what with  
LightRoom, Bridge etc.


Ian

P.S. On a slightly related note - anyone who has even a slight  
interest in photography should download the trial versions of both  
Apple Aperture and Adobe LightRoom, very interesting to analyse from  
a GUI design perspective... 
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Re: [OT] Adobe Apps for MacIntel

2007-01-04 Thread Jim Carwardine
I just returned my CS2 stuff this morning, no problem once I got past the
rules-driven worker bee and got to the store manager.  They tell me April 07
for the full CS3 but it is hard to imagine if Adobe are only talking about
Photoshop.

One of the bits of trivia I learned is just how much of the mainstream
software, such as MS office, are being emulated on Rosetta.  My impression
is that very little non-Apple software is Universal... Jim


on 1/4/07 11:49 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

 
 On 4 Jan 2007, at 14:04, Jim Carwardine wrote:
 
 With further research I discovered that they brought a beta version of
 Photoshop out in December that was a free upgrade if had recently
 bought the
 CS2 version but that they want full price for the full CS3 version
 when it
 comes out regardless of when you bought CS2.
 
 The CS3 beta is limited to 2 days if you don't have a CS2 licence,
 and 30 days even if you *do* have a CS2 licence. So there's no free
 upgrades involved with the beta anyway.
 
 I could find no mention of the other apps in the suite.  Does
 anyone know if
 the entire CS is being published in April 07?
 
 They've been remarkably quite about the rest of the suite, we still
 don't even know what apps from Adobe 7 Macromedia are going to be
 carried forwards...
 
 Apparently Adobe says CS3 is such a massive upgrade that they do
 not want to
 honour their upgrade policy for recent buyers of CS2.
 
 There's a certain amount of truth in that, as far as I know it's been
 pretty much re-written to be MacIntel  Vista compatible.
 And BOY does it make a difference on an Intel Mac! CS2 launch on a
 MBP is 20-25s, CS3 is 4-5s.
 
 Now, because I opened the package, I may be stuck with old software
 and no
 options but to buy it again to get the CS3 version.
 
 At the very worst you'd have to buy an upgrade, like the rest of us
 who have older copies of CS2. I can't believe that Adobe are insane
 enough to make everyone buy Photoshop again from scratch. There are
 likely to be all sorts of different bundles, though, what with
 LightRoom, Bridge etc.
 
 Ian
 
 P.S. On a slightly related note - anyone who has even a slight
 interest in photography should download the trial versions of both
 Apple Aperture and Adobe LightRoom, very interesting to analyse from
 a GUI design perspective...
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Re: [OT] Adobe Apps for MacIntel

2007-01-04 Thread Ian Wood


On 4 Jan 2007, at 19:18, Jim Carwardine wrote:

I just returned my CS2 stuff this morning, no problem once I got  
past the
rules-driven worker bee and got to the store manager.  They tell me  
April 07
for the full CS3 but it is hard to imagine if Adobe are only  
talking about

Photoshop.


That's good to hear!


One of the bits of trivia I learned is just how much of the mainstream
software, such as MS office, are being emulated on Rosetta.  My  
impression

is that very little non-Apple software is Universal... Jim


MS, and Adobe. Pretty well everything else is Intel-native by now.

Ian
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