Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Peter Alcibiades]

They'll work through it.  Sad as it is, the team should have taken action
quite a while ago - well, they apparently did take some sort of action quite
a while back, but didn't do it forcefully or urgently enough.  In a month or
so, the thing will probably be resolved and with more precautions to not be
so dependent on one guy in future.  

Remember, its not the code or the archives.  Its basically only some money
and some passwords to servers that they cannot get their hands on.  Its not
like it is a company going bust and taking the source code with it.  So its
hard to see any great urgency about moving from CentOS in the short term,
the team is going to take it forward one way or another.

Remember what happened to xfree86?  It was a similar situation.  Once people
decide to move, which it takes a lot to make them, it turns on a dime.

Personally if moving I'd go to Debian Stable, not Ubuntu.  If you're
thinking about moving to Ubuntu find out about the release schedule, how its
done, what its based on first.  You will end up with Debian if stability
matters.  But that's another issue


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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[GIRARD Damien]

Hi,

Sad is it, I am running CentOS as development workstation for its 
maturity and like it. (I had just to compile Mono to have the latest 
version).


Personnaly I am using thoses operating system, and each ones have its 
usages:

- Graphical development: Windows. (Yes I like Windows).
- Embeded development: CentOS.
- Embeded operating system: Debian.
- Server: Solaris/OpenSolaris.

Since Rev 2.x we are all seeing the Sun logo at the startup of Rev, but 
rev is not running on Solaris :/
This is sad because Solaris is a really good operating system for 
server. I personnaly liked to use it. (ZFS, Zones, dTrace...)


My two cents...

Damien
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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Pierre Sahores]

More preciously : Rev 2.1.2 is the last version to run on Solaris.

Perhaps would it be usefull to have it compiled again for this  
platform, as a marketing effort, at least, to help to let RevServe be  
seen as a professional grade alternative to Tomcat or PHP.


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Le 31 juil. 09 à 12:21, GIRARD Damien a écrit :


Hi,

Sad is it, I am running CentOS as development workstation for its  
maturity and like it. (I had just to compile Mono to have the latest  
version).


Personnaly I am using thoses operating system, and each ones have  
its usages:

- Graphical development: Windows. (Yes I like Windows).
- Embeded development: CentOS.
- Embeded operating system: Debian.
- Server: Solaris/OpenSolaris.

Since Rev 2.x we are all seeing the Sun logo at the startup of Rev,  
but rev is not running on Solaris :/
This is sad because Solaris is a really good operating system for  
server. I personnaly liked to use it. (ZFS, Zones, dTrace...)


My two cents...

Damien
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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Judy Perry]

Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at the 
moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no 
problems that I've heard of.


The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my 
neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services 
company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS...  better warn 
her I guess.


Judy

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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[stephen barncard]

Isn't that what the CENTOS people were trying to do on their site, to get
everyone to calm down?
Speculation could kill a good product. A warning  like that to possibly
non-technical people could elicit panic.

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2009/7/31 Judy Perry 

> Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at the
> moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no problems
> that I've heard of.
>
> The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my
> neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services
> company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS...  better warn
> her I guess.
>
> Judy
>
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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Judy Perry]

Are you saying that you wouldn't want to be warned?

Judy

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, stephen barncard wrote:


Isn't that what the CENTOS people were trying to do on their site, to get
everyone to calm down?
Speculation could kill a good product. A warning  like that to possibly
non-technical people could elicit panic.

2009/7/31 Judy Perry 


Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at the
moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no problems
that I've heard of.

The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my
neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services
company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS...  better warn
her I guess.

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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[stephen barncard]

Well by saying  'warned' you already put a spin on something that may not be
that big a deal. The only problem is with the website domain name,
really

I've already stuck my nose in too far... never mind

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2009/7/31 Judy Perry 

> Are you saying that you wouldn't want to be warned?
>
> Judy
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  Isn't that what the CENTOS people were trying to do on their site, to get
>> everyone to calm down?
>> Speculation could kill a good product. A warning  like that to possibly
>> non-technical people could elicit panic.
>>
>> 2009/7/31 Judy Perry 
>>
>>  Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at
>>> the
>>> moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no
>>> problems
>>> that I've heard of.
>>>
>>> The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my
>>> neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services
>>> company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS...  better
>>> warn
>>> her I guess.
>>>
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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi all,

My conclusion after reading the CentOS web site is: CentOS is dead.  
What indicates that this conclusion is wrong?


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On 1 aug 2009, at 01:41, Judy Perry wrote:


Are you saying that you wouldn't want to be warned?

Judy

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, stephen barncard wrote:


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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[stephen barncard]

Because in this fast-paced internet world of ours, rumor and innuendo spread
fast, either from not knowing all the facts, making assumptions, or not
reading all of the information, leads to the needless destruction of
reputations and livelihoods.

Why spread fear about something we don't really know that much about?
Like I said, the only issue is the stupid domain name.

What they say on the site:
Facts Regarding CentOS and the Open Letter to Lance
Davis
CentOS is not dead or going away. The signers of the Open Letter are fully
committed to continue the CentOS Project. Updates and new releases will
continue.
The issues raised in the Open Letter have been raised privately literally
for years and a voluntary resolution had been hoped for and worked toward.
But progress requires follow through. We have tried contacting Lance in
private for a long period of time before this Open Letter. While we received
promises, there was no real response or follow through from him on promises
made. We are sure he is not dead, on vacation, or sick. Once we all decided
there was no movement in the matter we created the Open Letter. This is not
something that appeared just recently.
We would really like to continue the project using the centos.org domain.
That is one of the reasons for the Open Letter. But the developers will move
to another domain if there is no other option. Protective backups are in
place; hot machines exist to allow for a cutover with a simple one time
installation of one RPM package. We continue to refine our plans if this
might be the case, to make the transition as smooth as possible.

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San Francisco
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2009/7/31 Mark Schonewille 

> Hi all,
>
> My conclusion after reading the CentOS web site is: CentOS is dead. What
> indicates that this conclusion is wrong?
>
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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Mark Schonewille]

Thanks, Stephen. I had not seen that, when I visited the site yesterday.

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On 1 aug 2009, at 02:38, stephen barncard wrote:

Because in this fast-paced internet world of ours, rumor and  
innuendo spread
fast, either from not knowing all the facts, making assumptions, or  
not

reading all of the information, leads to the needless destruction of
reputations and livelihoods.

Why spread fear about something we don't really know that much about?
Like I said, the only issue is the stupid domain name.

What they say on the site:
Facts Regarding CentOS and the Open Letter to Lance
Davis
CentOS is not dead or going away. The signers of the Open Letter are  
fully
committed to continue the CentOS Project. Updates and new releases  
will

continue.
The issues raised in the Open Letter have been raised privately  
literally
for years and a voluntary resolution had been hoped for and worked  
toward.
But progress requires follow through. We have tried contacting Lance  
in
private for a long period of time before this Open Letter. While we  
received
promises, there was no real response or follow through from him on  
promises
made. We are sure he is not dead, on vacation, or sick. Once we all  
decided
there was no movement in the matter we created the Open Letter. This  
is not

something that appeared just recently.
We would really like to continue the project using the centos.org  
domain.
That is one of the reasons for the Open Letter. But the developers  
will move
to another domain if there is no other option. Protective backups  
are in
place; hot machines exist to allow for a cutover with a simple one  
time
installation of one RPM package. We continue to refine our plans if  
this

might be the case, to make the transition as smooth as possible.

-
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Peter Alcibiades]

No, by all means warn them, but the warning should be something like, the
project leader has been having problems for a while.  The team has finally
come to the point of action and is acting to get the situation resolved and
take things forward - probably in the end without him.  Something to be
aware of, but no real reason to change a decision to go CentOS.  They really
ought to have acted earlier, but now they have finally done something, this
is all going to be over very quickly.  This is basically good news for the
project.  Though obviously its a pity on a personal level.

Judy Perry wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that you wouldn't want to be warned?
> 
> 

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Re: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web server

[Bernard Devlin]

It is _the_ primary strength of free software solutions (in the strict
GPL/LGPL sense) that one is not at a dead end if a project has only
one primary developer and that person no longer continues development.
 One has access to the source code and can continue development.  If
the source of a product is not available then it is not open source.
If one doesn't have the skills to continue development oneself, that
is another matter.

I have recently started looking at an open source project that had no
development for three years.   The guy who worked on it intensively
for the preceding 5 years no longer has the time.  However, his work
is not wasted, and the project may yet live again.  I can certainly
make use of it as it is, and have already identified and fixed some
bugs myself.  If it meets my needs and I feel confident of my ability
to push it forward as a project, then I can either be granted write
access to the code repository, or I can fork it.  I already have all
the source code from subversion.

This morning I downloaded another LGPL project, and it too came with
all the source code without me even going looking for it.  In fact, I
use several free software projects where there are few developers
and/or limited development, but it doesn't give me any cause for
concern.  When I decide a project is one that I may well be depending
on, I make sure I download a copy of the source code.  It's my
dependency on proprietary tools that gives me cause for concern.

I doubt many of use who use Rev would have the skills to continue the
development of the engine in the event that RunRev ceased development.
 But that is immaterial since the code is not open anyway.  Our
dependency on RunRev is far greater than the dependency of those who
are using CentOS.

This is not a criticism of RunRev.  They have to adopt whichever
policies suit their business plan.  But it's one reason why I have
kept up with software assurance for Revolution, even in the years when
I haven't used Revolution.

I'm not saying that I would be able to fork CentOS :-)  And I strongly
believe that anyone who depends on complex server configurations
should be using something like cfengine or puppet.  Configuration
management tools such as those would certainly make the migration
between different server providers easier.

Bernard.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
> Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at the
> moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no problems
> that I've heard of.
>
> The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my
> neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services
> company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS...  better warn
> her I guess.
>
> Judy
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