Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
I'm happy to release the code as open source for this - seems appropriate to the project as well. I just need to think how to pull a few things together - so I don't take on too many disparate projects. It seems a good base for the open source repository work I've done - there also seems a good overlap with Andre's Linux Distro? On 26 February 2010 19:51, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, David Bovill-3 wrote: Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful Remember that, for this project, we could contribute Password protected libraries, for specific functions or features. In this way, your code is protected but still available for use in this project. Many thanks for your help! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1571234.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful On 22 February 2010 14:29, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Björnke von Gierke wrote: including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand. Kevin answered this request: on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM Kevin Miller wrote: That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! Kind regards, Kevin Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos that should be included in this project Wikipedia on CD/DVD to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers? Notice that we must ask for permission to every author to include their work in this project. Thanks in advance. Alejandro ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Hi David, David Bovill-3 wrote: Keep us in touch - going to think what would be useful Remember that, for this project, we could contribute Password protected libraries, for specific functions or features. In this way, your code is protected but still available for use in this project. Many thanks for your help! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1571234.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Hi all, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Björnke von Gierke wrote: including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand. Kevin answered this request: on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM Kevin Miller wrote: That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! Kind regards, Kevin Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos that should be included in this project Wikipedia on CD/DVD to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers? Notice that we must ask for permission to every author to include their work in this project. Thanks in advance. Alejandro On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop an application that display directly the more recently updated XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev. This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers. How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete this project? Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1564499.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
You could start with the scripting conferences, one of the most useful tutorial series ever, that many people still don't know about. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev On 22 February 2010 06:29, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Björnke von Gierke wrote: including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand. Kevin answered this request: on Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:58 PM Kevin Miller wrote: That would be fine. Sounds like a great project, best of luck with it! Kind regards, Kevin Who could volunteer to create a list of tutorials and Demos that should be included in this project Wikipedia on CD/DVD to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers? Notice that we must ask for permission to every author to include their work in this project. Thanks in advance. Alejandro On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop an application that display directly the more recently updated XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev. This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers. How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete this project? Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1564499.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Absolutely true. On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:13 AM, stephen barncard wrote: You could start with the scripting conferences, one of the most useful tutorial series ever, that many people still don't know about. - Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
2010/1/27 Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com David Bovill-3 wrote: I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have. According to your description, this code looks like the startpoint for a commercial application for wiki administrators. ;-) Yes - I thought of that though more in the line of a very good way of getting the revWeb Plugin used by lots of people. David, Could you create code that: Verify (for a user selected list of articles) if offline XML Wikitext is not identical to online XML Wikitext, then download news XMLs, compress them as gzip and save a file to a folder in writable media? Yes - I think all of that is pretty much there. The only question would be the format of the XML. I mainly use the wikitext format, so I'd have to get my head around how you / the project want it packaged. A more advanced version could just store a diff between these two XML Wikitext. Yes - I use git for that to store a versioned file system locally, and allow sharing between users horizontally. Your code could work as a deliberately slow mechanism to update Wikis XML databases. Yes - though I see a greater use in creating forks of WikiPedia for specific uses (teaching for instance). Notice that Wikipedia have warned against creating applications that download too many pages in a short time frame. Many thanks for offering your help for this project! Happy to work on it / contribute what I can. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
2010/1/25 Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com David Bovill wrote: Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing to WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start. Your code reads and write to Wikipedia. Did you use this code as an automatic bot for reverse vandalism in selected pages? I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Hi Mark, Mark Wieder wrote: Yeah, that was the one case I thought of where it might be useful to have a static, albeit somewhat outdated, snapshot of the data. Of course, considering that Wikipedia doesn't for the most part require broadband access where dialup would do, the following chart is probably more to the point: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm The key word is cost, not velocity. Talking with teachers from public schools, i have learned that many of their student's families could afford one computer for the whole family, (here exist an enormous market for second-hand computers) but these families could not pay the monthly cost of Internet service that starts at US$60 dollars for 256KB... Costly, as you noticed. Their economy allows these students to pay for an hour of internet access in an internet center for US$1 (one dolar) or more. In theory, every public school should have free internet access. In practice, the number of public schools with internet access is disminishing not increasing, although newspapers constantly publish news that said otherwise. (Just talk with the teachers and students) Two CD (for texts and images) will cost US$0.66 cents or less and could hold a whole encyclopedia. This is less than a single hour of internet access. (A single 4.5 Gb DVD could be still cheaper, but not everyone have a DVD reader in their computer) No matter how you calculate this. It's an economically sound decision to distribute the Wikipedia for offline use among public school students. Members of this community have the skills to build this project. The only remaining question is: Could we lend a hand to collectively create this project, as a gift from this community to students everywhere? Goals and direction should appear from consensus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus :-D For this project, I believe that we should be able to contribute with Password protected libraries, for specific functions or features. In this way, your code is protected but still available for use in this project. I could write some code and test the application in Windows XP and Vista. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1311164.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Hi David, David Bovill-3 wrote: I use it to move articles around between MediaWikis and provide additional tools that MediaWiki does not have. According to your description, this code looks like the startpoint for a commercial application for wiki administrators. ;-) David, Could you create code that: Verify (for a user selected list of articles) if offline XML Wikitext is not identical to online XML Wikitext, then download news XMLs, compress them as gzip and save a file to a folder in writable media? A more advanced version could just store a diff between these two XML Wikitext. Your code could work as a deliberately slow mechanism to update Wikis XML databases. Notice that Wikipedia have warned against creating applications that download too many pages in a short time frame. Many thanks for offering your help for this project! Have a great good week. Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1311191.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
sounds nice what work exactly needs to be done? where can one look at example xml files? why do you think you need help? will you manage and direct the efforts? including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand. note that the browser external is only available for mac and win. so it'd be probably good if the content could be shown in fields, and not use that external, on-rev or the web plugin. but maybe you had a different idea about how to do it? have fun björnke On 24 Jan 2010, at 04:04, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application Recently, the Python Users group from Argentina, joined efforts to develop an application that allows to read Wikipedia contents offline, directly from CD or DVD. Obviously, this application is written in Python and they are planning to include Tutorials and lessons for Python in the CD and DVD. You could read about the application and download the CD or DVD from their site: http://python.org.ar/pyar/Proyectos/CDPedia It's a python web server that display html pages (decompressed from CD or DVD) and linked images stored in the CD or DVD. If many RunRev developers joint efforts, we could develop an application that display directly the more recently updated XML database of Wikipedia in every platform supported by RunRev. This project could include (with RunRev permission) the free version of RevMedia and RevWeb, tutorials and Demos to introduce RevTalk to a wider audience and many potential developers. How many of you could devote a few hours weekly to complete this project? Thanks in advance for your comments and ideas! Alejandro -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Looking-for-volunteers-to-create-Wikipedia-on-CD-application-tp1288518p1288518.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Hi Bjornke, On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:08:38 +0100 Bjornke von Gierke wrote: sounds nice Yes, and this platform offers all the features needed to create this CD or DVD. what work exactly needs to be done? An application that seach and display the xml text format and images used by Wikipedia, in every platform available for Runrev. where can one look at example xml files? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext_examples and every wikipedia page shows near the top an option: View source why do you think you need help? To create a multiplatform project, it's neccesary to build and test in every platform where Runrev is available. will you manage and direct the efforts? No, i could help with some code and testing in Windows XP and Vista. including media installers is allowed by runrev, but of course one should ask em beforehand. Yes. note that the browser external is only available for mac and win. so it'd be probably good if the content could be shown in fields, and not use that external, on-rev or the web plugin. but maybe you had a different idea about how to do it? Yes, a field could work too, but displaying the page inside a web browser should be ideal. Many thanks for your answers and interest. Have a nice weekend! :-) Alejandro ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
2010/1/24 Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com what work exactly needs to be done? An application that seach and display the xml text format and images used by Wikipedia, in every platform available for Runrev. where can one look at example xml files? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Wikitext_examples and every wikipedia page shows near the top an option: View source Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing to WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Alejandro- Maybe I'm missing the point here. What's the advantage of reading Wikipedia offline? Aside from the size of the files needed, the slowness of reading from optical media, and the static character of the data... I thought the point of wikis was that they're constantly in flux, Wikipedia more so than most. Errors can be corrected in realtime, new topics added, etc. As soon as the data gets burned to disc it's out of date, no? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
David Bovill wrote: Not sure if it is any use - but I can offer code for reading and writing to WikiPedia from Rev - it is not a complete library - but a good start. Hi David, Your code reads and write to Wikipedia. Did you use this code as an automatic bot for reverse vandalism in selected pages? This could be useful as a module that could track changes in specific user selected articles. One of the greatest problems of using an offline Wikipedia database is to keep updated the database. The primitive and rather wasteful method to update the xml database is to download and index (again) the whole database. About Mark question, probably this project is not useful in those fortunate places with ubiquitous and cheap internet access: http://www.internetworldstats.com/dsl.htm Alejandro An script that watch ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Looking for volunteers to create Wikipedia on CD application
Alejandro- Sunday, January 24, 2010, 4:40:43 PM, you wrote: About Mark question, probably this project is not useful in those fortunate places with ubiquitous and cheap internet access: Yeah, that was the one case I thought of where it might be useful to have a static, albeit somewhat outdated, snapshot of the data. Of course, considering that Wikipedia doesn't for the most part require broadband access where dialup would do, the following chart is probably more to the point: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
