Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Bernard Devlin wrote: Sivakatirswami, what is it you would like Rev to be able to do here? Acting like a pre-installed plugin, or being able to re-arrange the graphics within the window? The latter is possible - I did a rough prototype for that kind of effect a few months ago. Animation engine should be able to smooth out the effect to make it much more pleasing. Bernard I'm not really interested in the whirly movement of the mind map on demand, but rather how this relates to the other thread and the overview of architectures and models for content delivery where the browser (since everyone loves it so much) serves as a launching pad for another application, but the user experience is a seamless one. That new window is *not* HTML being rendered by and HTML rendering engine, as such. Looks like a completely Java based application to me (Like Scott said I also don't see any .swf in the cloud there.) But the user is not a) leaving his browser b) clicking on another document to boot the java app... it just transparently opens as a new window: new rect in the video card... isn't the browser basically passing off, completely, the windowing, content rendering task to a completely independent app? So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. I mean Javascript is a) a plug in which the browser API uses to render stuff inside the browser window, but here it is also b) a separate complete framework that the browser simply launches into another window which is now under the control of Java.. not the browser perse... I tried to View Source, View DOM, etc on that window.. Firefox wasn't happy. It was completely independent.. so this got me thinking a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. b) we have a link on our web page(s) that calls a stack, c) the browser launches the stack using this player core. d) users see it as a seamless integrated experience. But! and this is the big one: the core of the player is not at all concerned with the browser API! i.e. does not have to live by the constraints and rules of having the content be rendered inside the browser window itself... it opens it's own, new window...and leaves Firefox (IE, Safari.. whatever..) behind Isn't that not essentially what is happening here? http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
I was looking at theBrain web site when I wrote the comment about no Mac support. I've been a fan of Tony Buzan - Mind Mapping - for some time. Apparently he has moved his operation to Australia http://www.buzan.com.au//products/software.html. There is an interesting product coming out of this seed http://www.nova-mind.com/Merlin/ that combines mind mapping with project management. Unfortunately the Buzan style doesn't include the dynamic zooming but just contains all the branches on a big page. It does support Mac OSX. What a great way to front-end a database or document an application or a filing system... Jim on 11/16/06 10:51 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote: Too bad it is not on a Mac as well. I'd use it to organize my files... Jim on 11/16/06 12:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 11/15/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in I suppose you know, it's a Flash swf file. You can create standalone Flash apps as well as embedded ones. I've seen this same tree structure before where you give it a URL and it parses your whole website using the same branching mechanism. Pretty cool. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Sivakatirswami wrote: snip a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. That's probably one of the best marketing ploys for RunRev to take advantage of. Cheers, Luis. It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. Is this the kind of thing you are interested in? http://www.openlaszlo.org/demos Laszlo apps used to just be provisioned by Flash. They have been working on Ajax versions this last year. They've also said all along that there's no reason why it couldn't be provisioned in a Java applet like the one in the thread title. Looking at the similarities between the DHTML and the Flash versions of the calendar Laszlo has come a long way in being able to produce rich internet apps that will run without Flash. These kinds of apps aren't completely independent of the browser - if you close the browser the Visual Thesaurus app will close, as will the Laszlo Flash calendar. I believe that .swf files can be started as executables (if passed to a standalone Flash player), so in theory they could be independent of the browser. There's nothing intrinsically stopping Runrev from producing a plug- in that works like Visual Thesaurus. The Squeak people did it for Smalltalk. There are several small companies doing it for their development environments (quite a few for 3D graphics and gaming). There is also http://dreamfactory.com/demo/developer.html - I believe that the guy behind DreamFactory was the original creator of Supercard (could be wrong there, so feel free to correct me). It's just a question of priorities. I've advocated that myself several times on this and other Rev- related forums. But I'm almost of the opinion that the time for a Rev plug-in has passed. With both Laszlo and Flex being free tools now, and with the state of Ajax toolkits coming from Yahoo and Google and dojo and ... Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Here is the technology behind the Thesaurus...http://www.thinkmap.com/download/whitepaper/technical_white_pap er.pdf ... Jim on 11/17/06 7:27 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Bernard Devlin wrote: Sivakatirswami, what is it you would like Rev to be able to do here? Acting like a pre-installed plugin, or being able to re-arrange the graphics within the window? The latter is possible - I did a rough prototype for that kind of effect a few months ago. Animation engine should be able to smooth out the effect to make it much more pleasing. Bernard I'm not really interested in the whirly movement of the mind map on demand, but rather how this relates to the other thread and the overview of architectures and models for content delivery where the browser (since everyone loves it so much) serves as a launching pad for another application, but the user experience is a seamless one. That new window is *not* HTML being rendered by and HTML rendering engine, as such. Looks like a completely Java based application to me (Like Scott said I also don't see any .swf in the cloud there.) But the user is not a) leaving his browser b) clicking on another document to boot the java app... it just transparently opens as a new window: new rect in the video card... isn't the browser basically passing off, completely, the windowing, content rendering task to a completely independent app? So, this goes to the whole discussion (viz-a-viz Lynn's query about how Rev could integrate with browsers) of rev plug-in vs web page with links to down load stand alones, vs some kind of embed object filled with Rev CGI powered content, vs getting them to download a Super Revolution Player... I thought this site offered yet another model. I mean Javascript is a) a plug in which the browser API uses to render stuff inside the browser window, but here it is also b) a separate complete framework that the browser simply launches into another window which is now under the control of Java.. not the browser perse... I tried to View Source, View DOM, etc on that window.. Firefox wasn't happy. It was completely independent.. so this got me thinking a) if we can get users to download and install some player core... or a stand alone.. =resistance has dropped to virtual zero.. because it is coming from Run Rev Home site. b) we have a link on our web page(s) that calls a stack, c) the browser launches the stack using this player core. d) users see it as a seamless integrated experience. But! and this is the big one: the core of the player is not at all concerned with the browser API! i.e. does not have to live by the constraints and rules of having the content be rendered inside the browser window itself... it opens it's own, new window...and leaves Firefox (IE, Safari.. whatever..) behind Isn't that not essentially what is happening here? http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ It's so beautiful here on Kauai, hard not to dream :-) anything is possible. Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com (now coming to you from our super fast box at ServePath in San Franscisco) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
On 11/17/06 9:35 AM, Bernard Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is also http://dreamfactory.com/demo/developer.html - I believe that the guy behind DreamFactory was the original creator of Supercard (could be wrong there, so feel free to correct me). You're right - Bill Appleton wrote SuperCard and is DreamFactory's CTO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com If only we could do this
This looks like it's derived from: www.webbrain.com The people behind WebBrain: www.thebrain.com They have been around for ages. Similar, but without the stringy bits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_User_Interface Cheers, Luis. Sivakatirswami wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in Image if that window were a UI with the complete Rev Engine behind it. Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Yes, that is cool. It reminds me of a concordancer built with HyperCard [can't recall the name off-hand]. This concordancer put the target word in the middle of the screen and then surrounded it with common associated words discovered in a text. The more common the assosiation, the thicker the line connecting the words on the screen. cheers, tm ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com If only we could do this
On Nov 16, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Luis wrote: This looks like it's derived from: www.webbrain.com The people behind WebBrain: www.thebrain.com They have been around for ages. Similar, but without the stringy bits: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Zooming_User_Interface Another similar approach, applied to web searching www.kartoo.com t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. www.califexsoftware.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Too bad it is not on a Mac as well. I'd use it to organize my files... Jim on 11/16/06 12:37 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: On 11/15/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in I suppose you know, it's a Flash swf file. You can create standalone Flash apps as well as embedded ones. I've seen this same tree structure before where you give it a URL and it parses your whole website using the same branching mechanism. Pretty cool. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- www.TalentSeeker.ca www.HiringSmart.ca/ns www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com Own Your Future Consulting Services Limited, 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada. B3Z 3A9 Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Dang! You are correct. I've seen something extremely similar done in Flash and just expected it was the same. On 11/15/06, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure about that? The sys reqs say it requires Java and the browser status reports it's loading an applet when starting up. Is Flash somehow embedded in the applet? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Wow. Now that is cool. Mark On Nov 15, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in Image if that window were a UI with the complete Rev Engine behind it. Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
On 11/15/06, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in I suppose you know, it's a Flash swf file. You can create standalone Flash apps as well as embedded ones. I've seen this same tree structure before where you give it a URL and it parses your whole website using the same branching mechanism. Pretty cool. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
I evaluated this product about 4 years ago. It was called 'The Brain' back then. IIRC it required a separate download/plugin back then. Actually, I think it was Wolfgang Bereuter who pointed it out on this list way back when. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: www.visualthesaurus.com/ If only we could do this
Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: http://www.visualthesaurus.com/ Now, that's pretty potent stuff. Is the window that opens up technically a new application or a plug in I suppose you know, it's a Flash swf file. Are you sure about that? The sys reqs say it requires Java and the browser status reports it's loading an applet when starting up. Is Flash somehow embedded in the applet? The window doesn't respond as most other Flash apps do. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
