Re: OT : PearPC
On Apr 30, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] I was planning out a testing system that would have lots of Apple boots and realized I might have a problem. Does this mean that if I have only one license for Panther that I can have only one version of Panther per computer. It says I can install one copy. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ Programming and software ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
What about all those hundreds on industrialized Mac's? They have no labels on at all! They are just regular Mac's with the insides put into a sealed steal box with a Giant On/Off switch on the front! I guess you'd have to define what constitues a computer too! I mean I can run Linux on my Tivo which has a PowerPC and it's a Digital Video Recorder not a computer! That would be a good one for the lawyers to fight out! All the Best Dave My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Chipp, Thank you for the compliments. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that coming from you. The MacOS X port is coming along, but it's difficult trying to remember some of the differences between Mac and Windows. :) The funny thing is that I grew up on a Mac. I am working on a Linux port, but until 2.5.1 I was not ready to distribute it. My hopes now are to release 2.7 on all 3 platforms. Hopefully that will help in my attempts for donations towards a Mac Mini. So again, thank you. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software ___ Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress 2.6.1 http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ Chipp Walters wrote: Derek, I just downloaded your JPEGCompress application. Very professional and what a wonderful set of features. I like it! You should definitely port to Mac and Linux. best, Chipp Derek Bump wrote: So thank you to who ever it was that brought up this topic. I will now be able to bring JPEGCompress to Mac OS X (well, provided that Rev will work after it's downloaded). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Well, PearPC may have been off-topic, but it's the best off-topic post I've seen in a while. My Dell-labeled computer is running Panther in another window, downloading Revolution 2.5.1, all while I'm writing this message to you in Thunderbird on XP. So thank you to who ever it was that brought up this topic. I will now be able to bring JPEGCompress to Mac OS X (well, provided that Rev will work after it's downloaded). Derek Bump Dreamscape Software ___ Compress Images Easily with JPEGCompress 2.6.1 http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
So if i stick the Apple Label from my old 128K, on my PC I can run it! Those guys should think differently! ;)) VNC does a great job too! With cheap 500$ HW... Why bother with a 240MHz G3 (info pulled of the web)? Time is money! ;) Cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 15:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suspect the argument is that Apple-labeled means Labeled by Apple, not Labeled with an Apple Although, conspicuously, a definitive definition does seem to be lacking from the license... On May 3, 2005, at 11:20 AM, MisterX wrote: So if i stick the Apple Label from my old 128K, on my PC I can run it! Those guys should think differently! ;)) VNC does a great job too! With cheap 500$ HW... Why bother with a 240MHz G3 (info pulled of the web)? Time is money! ;) Cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 15:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCd5jX7aqtWrR9cZoRArbiAKCLnL6xLgzORQmV8Sc4lc+on1gt8ACbBMY4 fEiHxZ3oQugfkpn03rb0DF0= =MLRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Sloppy contract wording by Apple (and clever wording by MS) was how MS got the right to make Windows from Apple in the first place. In fact clever contract wording is how MS became the dominant provider of an OS to PC makers. Superior contract writing wins out over superior technologies in business --make sure you read the fine print. Dennis On May 3, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suspect the argument is that Apple-labeled means Labeled by Apple, not Labeled with an Apple Although, conspicuously, a definitive definition does seem to be lacking from the license... On May 3, 2005, at 11:20 AM, MisterX wrote: So if i stick the Apple Label from my old 128K, on my PC I can run it! Those guys should think differently! ;)) VNC does a great job too! With cheap 500$ HW... Why bother with a 240MHz G3 (info pulled of the web)? Time is money! ;) Cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 15:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCd5jX7aqtWrR9cZoRArbiAKCLnL6xLgzORQmV8Sc4lc+on1gt8ACbBMY4 fEiHxZ3oQugfkpn03rb0DF0= =MLRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
On May 3, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: Sloppy contract wording by Apple (and clever wording by MS) was how MS got the right to make Windows from Apple in the first place. In fact clever contract wording is how MS became the dominant provider of an OS to PC makers. Superior contract writing wins out over superior technologies in business --make sure you read the fine print. Personally, I think the meaning of Apple labeled is clear. However, the wording is sloppy in general. Strictly, it says you can't run it on more than one Apple computer and you can't store it on more than one computer. That leaves PearPC in the clear. However, I think the intent is to exclude PearPC. Also, Apples lawyers are bigger than mine and even bigger than those of most of my customers. And, public opinion favors Apple. I'd save my nickels for a mini and personal kvm switch. I think Darwin is another matter. If I was writing a driver for a board that needed to be emulated because its still being prototyped, I'd beg Apple for special permission. I'd still hustle the prototype. Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Amen. It's never about the technology. I've seen so many great technologies buried by inferior products that had either more marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen succeed. On May 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: Sloppy contract wording by Apple (and clever wording by MS) was how MS got the right to make Windows from Apple in the first place. In fact clever contract wording is how MS became the dominant provider of an OS to PC makers. Superior contract writing wins out over superior technologies in business --make sure you read the fine print. Dennis On May 3, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suspect the argument is that Apple-labeled means Labeled by Apple, not Labeled with an Apple Although, conspicuously, a definitive definition does seem to be lacking from the license... On May 3, 2005, at 11:20 AM, MisterX wrote: So if i stick the Apple Label from my old 128K, on my PC I can run it! Those guys should think differently! ;)) VNC does a great job too! With cheap 500$ HW... Why bother with a 240MHz G3 (info pulled of the web)? Time is money! ;) Cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 15:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCd5jX7aqtWrR9cZoRArbiAKCLnL6xLgzORQmV8Sc4lc+on1gt8ACbBMY4 fEiHxZ3oQugfkpn03rb0DF0= =MLRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
Amen. It's never about the technology. I've seen so many great technologies buried by inferior products that had either more marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen succeed. Technology isnt usually what wins the day, but neither is it entirely money or lawyers, but strategic use of both. Marketing (and sales) isnt a big packaging machine that vendors throw money into, as its very possible to spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
Sorry to disapoint you but Microsfoot has delivered in terms of server availability, scalability, clustering, AD, DFS, compatibility (since long ago), and multiprocessing. Just like Macs or mainframes... Still, without software, an OS is not happy... As we all know, or microsoft never sued another interface there after... They! got sued for things like one-clik this or that... Then we got MetaCard for any GUI anytime! Same with this company suing apple for the tiger name! Howtotally-ridiculous! Instead of reaping on the accrued name marketing partisanship! Bunch of dweebs IMOHO! Had they combined forces... Xav http://monsieurx.com/taoo Q: nitrous + imagination = ? A: bumbastic scripting environments Programming Jazz for all! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Shafer Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 19:14 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC Amen. It's never about the technology. I've seen so many great technologies buried by inferior products that had either more marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen succeed. On May 3, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Dennis Brown wrote: Sloppy contract wording by Apple (and clever wording by MS) was how MS got the right to make Windows from Apple in the first place. In fact clever contract wording is how MS became the dominant provider of an OS to PC makers. Superior contract writing wins out over superior technologies in business --make sure you read the fine print. Dennis On May 3, 2005, at 11:29 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I suspect the argument is that Apple-labeled means Labeled by Apple, not Labeled with an Apple Although, conspicuously, a definitive definition does seem to be lacking from the license... On May 3, 2005, at 11:20 AM, MisterX wrote: So if i stick the Apple Label from my old 128K, on my PC I can run it! Those guys should think differently! ;)) VNC does a great job too! With cheap 500$ HW... Why bother with a 240MHz G3 (info pulled of the web)? Time is money! ;) Cheers Xav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank D. Engel, Jr. Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 15:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: OT : PearPC -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Re: OT : PearPC
Well, Lynn, while I wouldn't disagree with your perspective, I would nonetheless argue that a world-class technology product with few marketing resources and no legal clout will get buried by a competitive product which, though inferior, has more marketing money and/or legal backing 99 times out of 100. While it's certainly true that you can spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure, it's less likely than having a total failure from *lack* of marketing resources. And given a market with two products characterized as I did above, the one with more marketing will beat the superior product with mind-numbing regularity. On May 3, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Amen. It's never about the technology. I've seen so many great technologies buried by inferior products that had either more marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen succeed. Technology isnt usually what wins the day, but neither is it entirely money or lawyers, but strategic use of both. Marketing (and sales) isnt a big packaging machine that vendors throw money into, as its very possible to spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
when do you guys write product, do you men computer / software product only, or does it apply to any kind of product ? I'm asking because in the field of movies for instance, a superior film with low marketing resources can nevertheless meet a great success by word of mouth... this happens on a regular basis. And the opposite also happens : a bad movie with huge marketing resources can fail, because of word of mouth... JB Well, Lynn, while I wouldn't disagree with your perspective, I would nonetheless argue that a world-class technology product with few marketing resources and no legal clout will get buried by a competitive product which, though inferior, has more marketing money and/or legal backing 99 times out of 100. While it's certainly true that you can spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure, it's less likely than having a total failure from *lack* of marketing resources. And given a market with two products characterized as I did above, the one with more marketing will beat the superior product with mind-numbing regularity. On May 3, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Amen. It's never about the technology. I've seen so many great technologies buried by inferior products that had either more marketing money or better lawyers than I've seen succeed. Technology isnt usually what wins the day, but neither is it entirely money or lawyers, but strategic use of both. Marketing (and sales) isnt a big packaging machine that vendors throw money into, as its very possible to spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
Well, Lynn, while I wouldn't disagree with your perspective, I would nonetheless argue that a world-class technology product with few marketing resources and no legal clout will get buried by a competitive product which, though inferior, has more marketing money and/or legal backing 99 times out of 100. While it's certainly true that you can spend gobs and gobs of money and still end up with a total failure, it's less likely than having a total failure from *lack* of marketing resources. And given a market with two products characterized as I did above, the one with more marketing will beat the superior product with mind-numbing regularity. Right, and there's my point -- its about sufficient marketing *resources*, which includes having competent marketing for whatever your budget is. Not having enough money is a contributing but different factor. The commonality is that they are both the result of poor management decisions. There are many vendors that field technically superior products then crash and burn, and their argument is that they were outspent or overwhelmed by a superior force (which is almost as genuine as the customers just didn't get it). In many instances, the vendor _never really marketed at all_ and thought that superior technology or vision of superior technology would carry the day. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
when do you guys write product, do you men computer / software product only, or does it apply to any kind of product ? I'm asking because in the field of movies for instance, a superior film with low marketing resources can nevertheless meet a great success by word of mouth... this happens on a regular basis. And the opposite also happens : a bad movie with huge marketing resources can fail, because of word of mouth... Word of mouth is also a form of marketing: viral marketing. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Word of mouth is also a form of marketing: viral marketing. IMHO word of mouth and viral marketing are 2 completely different things : viral marketing is usually part of a strategy built by a distributor, while word of mouth is rather out of control and not part of a strategy (ie: telling your friends to go and see a movie)... Best, JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: OT : PearPC
Word of mouth is also a form of marketing: viral marketing. IMHO word of mouth and viral marketing are 2 completely different things : viral marketing is usually part of a strategy built by a distributor, while word of mouth is rather out of control and not part of a strategy (ie: telling your friends to go and see a movie)... It is art to conceal art. -Ars est celare artem -Ovid Thank you, my classical education :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
Derek, I just downloaded your JPEGCompress application. Very professional and what a wonderful set of features. I like it! You should definitely port to Mac and Linux. best, Chipp Derek Bump wrote: So thank you to who ever it was that brought up this topic. I will now be able to bring JPEGCompress to Mac OS X (well, provided that Rev will work after it's downloaded). ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, the key phrase being Apple-labeled computer. On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCdiX37aqtWrR9cZoRAmY4AJ43lIxqILhSIoGSXjSXq/+Co35g+gCeOP9a WoXP193ApSxFbvpmn1t7ri0= =zieJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. You could use that to run Linux, I'm sure, but you can't legally install OS X on that emulator (or any other, for that matter). On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:54 AM, jbv wrote: Has anyone seen / used this : http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html http://prasys.skidsoftware.com/intro.htm just curious... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution - --- Frank D. Engel, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] $ ln -s /usr/share/kjvbible /usr/manual $ true | cat /usr/manual | grep John 3:16 John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCc5xS7aqtWrR9cZoRAn2XAJ479ZqaVR2oO0dcwIUEy1xp/iR++wCdGi64 RtVM2vunoUNx8st5lsd9PJE= =qLvs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT : PearPC
On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time [...] Dar -- ** DSC (Dar Scott Consulting Dar's Lab) http://www.swcp.com/dsc/ A Sponsor of RevCon West ** ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
