Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-30 Thread Bob Sneidar
If there's a utility for it, then it's more than a rev/vista problem. 

Bob


On Jul 29, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Neal Campbell wrote:

> Try googling it. I think there are utilities that can restore the lost Start
> Orb. Try www.thewindowsclub.com, I think they have one.
> 
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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Neal Campbell
Try googling it. I think there are utilities that can restore the lost Start
Orb. Try www.thewindowsclub.com, I think they have one.

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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Mike Bonner  wrote:

> Probably not the answer you're looking for, but I believe "the
> fullscreen" doesn't hide the taskbar, it just lays the stack over the
> top of everything corner to corner.  I've done similar in the past to
> switch a browser stack in and out of pseudo fullscreen mode.  Have an
> empty stack that gets fullscreened, then put the browserstack on top
> of it, as well as any other stacks.
>
> Since revbrowser apparently can't switch window id on the fly, and
> fullscreening changes the windowid, this gets around the problem.
> fullscreen the empty stack, pop the main stack back up and set its
> rect to whatever you want it to be.  The main windows can also be
> pallettes so they're always on top of the stack you are going to
> fullscreen.  (And I think setting the raisewindows to true works on
> windows in addition to osx right?)
>
> Kinda a pain in the tookus to get it all working together nicely, but
> last time I did it, it ended up working pretty well.
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Scott Rossi 
> wrote:
> > Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> >
> >>  There is another option: Round up the developers of Vista and
> >> publicly flog them with wet brooms soaked in tuna fish oil.
> >>
> >> Does anyone seriously think that Microsoft uses their own software? I
> will bet
> >> good money that the developers at Microsoft do not *actually* use their
> own
> >> operating system. If they did, they would not put up with a tenth of the
> weird
> >> bugs we deal with every day.
> >>
> >> If anyone knows for certain that I am wrong I sure would like to know.
> >> 
> >
> > I'm not convinced this is solely a Vista problem.  It's more likely a Rev
> +
> > Vista problem since weren't able to reproduce the problem with, for
> example,
> > PowerPoint which can also hide the taskbar.  And in my tests, the Start
> > button remains intact on XP.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott Rossi
> > Creative Director
> > Tactile Media, UX Design
> >
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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Mike Bonner
Probably not the answer you're looking for, but I believe "the
fullscreen" doesn't hide the taskbar, it just lays the stack over the
top of everything corner to corner.  I've done similar in the past to
switch a browser stack in and out of pseudo fullscreen mode.  Have an
empty stack that gets fullscreened, then put the browserstack on top
of it, as well as any other stacks.

Since revbrowser apparently can't switch window id on the fly, and
fullscreening changes the windowid, this gets around the problem.
fullscreen the empty stack, pop the main stack back up and set its
rect to whatever you want it to be.  The main windows can also be
pallettes so they're always on top of the stack you are going to
fullscreen.  (And I think setting the raisewindows to true works on
windows in addition to osx right?)

Kinda a pain in the tookus to get it all working together nicely, but
last time I did it, it ended up working pretty well.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:
> Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>>  There is another option: Round up the developers of Vista and
>> publicly flog them with wet brooms soaked in tuna fish oil.
>>
>> Does anyone seriously think that Microsoft uses their own software? I will 
>> bet
>> good money that the developers at Microsoft do not *actually* use their own
>> operating system. If they did, they would not put up with a tenth of the 
>> weird
>> bugs we deal with every day.
>>
>> If anyone knows for certain that I am wrong I sure would like to know.
>> 
>
> I'm not convinced this is solely a Vista problem.  It's more likely a Rev +
> Vista problem since weren't able to reproduce the problem with, for example,
> PowerPoint which can also hide the taskbar.  And in my tests, the Start
> button remains intact on XP.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
Aye, but it only happens in Vista and not in Windows XP. So obviously they are 
doing something different. I'd be curious to see if it happens in Windows 7 as 
well, and with different graphics cards etc. Unfortunately I have neither 
Windows 7 nor Vista at this point. The whole device driver signing thing scared 
me away. 

Bob


On Jul 29, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>>  There is another option: Round up the developers of Vista and
>> publicly flog them with wet brooms soaked in tuna fish oil.
>> 
>> Does anyone seriously think that Microsoft uses their own software? I will 
>> bet
>> good money that the developers at Microsoft do not *actually* use their own
>> operating system. If they did, they would not put up with a tenth of the 
>> weird
>> bugs we deal with every day.
>> 
>> If anyone knows for certain that I am wrong I sure would like to know.
>> 
> 
> I'm not convinced this is solely a Vista problem.  It's more likely a Rev +
> Vista problem since weren't able to reproduce the problem with, for example,
> PowerPoint which can also hide the taskbar.  And in my tests, the Start
> button remains intact on XP.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
> 
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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Bob Sneidar wrote:

>  There is another option: Round up the developers of Vista and
> publicly flog them with wet brooms soaked in tuna fish oil.
> 
> Does anyone seriously think that Microsoft uses their own software? I will bet
> good money that the developers at Microsoft do not *actually* use their own
> operating system. If they did, they would not put up with a tenth of the weird
> bugs we deal with every day.
> 
> If anyone knows for certain that I am wrong I sure would like to know.
> 

I'm not convinced this is solely a Vista problem.  It's more likely a Rev +
Vista problem since weren't able to reproduce the problem with, for example,
PowerPoint which can also hide the taskbar.  And in my tests, the Start
button remains intact on XP.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Andre Garzia wrote:

>> Anyone have another suggestion to restore the Start button?
> 
> Make a almost transparent tiny stack with no decorations, float it over the
> start button, it should force windows GUI subsystem to repaint that thing
> right? (not tested)

Thanks for the suggestion but stacks positioned around taskbar don't appear
to force any refresh (even tried a systemWindow stack).

Guess I'll use brute force mouse repositioning. I have the interval set at
10 millisecs and it seems pretty unnoticeable.  Lame, but FWIW:

command restoreVistaStartButton
   put screenRect() into tRect
   put item 1 of tRect + 20,item 4 of tRect - 20 into tLoc
   put the screenMouseLoc into origLoc
   set the screenMouseLoc to tLoc
   wait 10 millisecs with messages
   set the screenMouseLoc to origLoc
end restoreVistaStartButton

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Bob Sneidar
 There is another option: Round up the developers of Vista and 
publicly flog them with wet brooms soaked in tuna fish oil. 

Does anyone seriously think that Microsoft uses their own software? I will bet 
good money that the developers at Microsoft do not *actually* use their own 
operating system. If they did, they would not put up with a tenth of the weird 
bugs we deal with every day. 

If anyone knows for certain that I am wrong I sure would like to know. 


Bob


On Jul 29, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> I had a client recently point out that upon restoring the Vista taskbar
> after a Rev slideshow, the Start button is invisible.  Mousing over the
> region where the button is supposed to be brings it back, but this is
> nonetheless bad behavior.  Try this (msg box):
> hide taskbar
> show taskbar
> 
> The Start button should now be invisible (XP seems unaffected).
> 
> The only workaround I can think of is physically moving the mouse to the
> bottom left of the screen and then moving it back to the starting position
> but this is quite clumsy.
> 
> Anyone have another suggestion to restore the Start button?
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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Re: Restore Windows Start Button?

2010-07-29 Thread Andre Garzia
Scott,

Make a almost transparent tiny stack with no decorations, float it over the
start button, it should force windows GUI subsystem to repaint that thing
right? (not tested)

Andre

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Scott Rossi  wrote:

> I had a client recently point out that upon restoring the Vista taskbar
> after a Rev slideshow, the Start button is invisible.  Mousing over the
> region where the button is supposed to be brings it back, but this is
> nonetheless bad behavior.  Try this (msg box):
>  hide taskbar
>  show taskbar
>
> The Start button should now be invisible (XP seems unaffected).
>
> The only workaround I can think of is physically moving the mouse to the
> bottom left of the screen and then moving it back to the starting position
> but this is quite clumsy.
>
> Anyone have another suggestion to restore the Start button?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
>
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