Re: Substacks vs. Backgrounds

2007-08-07 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Mikey,


I've run into what might be a bug in the way that groups are
represented as backgrounds (or maybe not), but this brings up an
interesting question - groups/backgrounds or substacks?  Do we have a
preference?  Other than some minor semantics in the scripts, is there
any compelling reason to go one way or the other?


?

Sorry, I actually don't get the point.
To me substacks and groups/bgs are like day and night.

But if you think there's no big difference, feel free to use groups/bgs
instead of substacks or vice versa ;-)


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Substacks vs. Backgrounds

2007-08-07 Thread Ken Ray
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:36:37 -0400, Mikey wrote:

 I've run into what might be a bug in the way that groups are
 represented as backgrounds (or maybe not), but this brings up an
 interesting question - groups/backgrounds or substacks?  Do we have a
 preference?  Other than some minor semantics in the scripts, is there
 any compelling reason to go one way or the other?

Well, to me, substacks are like regular stacks, just without a separate 
on-disk representation. I usually use them for secondary windows, tool 
palettes, dialog boxes, etc. Groups/backgrounds are for sharing objects 
across multiple cards in a stack, so they really aren't very much like 
substacks, IMHO. Can you provide more info as to how you're viewing 
substacks/groups and what you want to accomplish?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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Re: Substacks vs. Backgrounds

2007-08-07 Thread Mikey
Ken,
Granted you can use backgrounds to share objects across multiple
cards, but that isn't necessary, as you know.  I probably should have
finished my 'dew before posting this morning.  Forget the sharing of
objects for the moment.  For the purpose of building various
dialogs/forms/etc., there doesn't appear to be any real advantage of
one over the other to me, which is what brought this up in the first
place after I discovered one of the problems I'm trying to figure out
right now.


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Re: Substacks vs. Backgrounds

2007-08-07 Thread Stephen Barncard
Actually, backgrounds/groups can make excellent dialogs, forms or 
floating palettes, as long as they stay within the window bounds of 
the stack. They are faster loading than an equivalent stack and they 
can have the advantage of being on the same card, which makes 
addressing simpler.


On the mac, the border feature on a group wil make a very attractive 
round rect panel for you.  They can also be partially transparent. A 
transparent button set to the screenrect can provide modality.




Ken,
Granted you can use backgrounds to share objects across multiple
cards, but that isn't necessary, as you know.  I probably should have
finished my 'dew before posting this morning.  Forget the sharing of
objects for the moment.  For the purpose of building various
dialogs/forms/etc., there doesn't appear to be any real advantage of
one over the other to me, which is what brought this up in the first
place after I discovered one of the problems I'm trying to figure out
right now.


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Re: Substacks vs. Backgrounds

2007-08-07 Thread Ken Ray
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:16:12 -0400, Mikey wrote:

 Ken,
 Granted you can use backgrounds to share objects across multiple
 cards, but that isn't necessary, as you know.  I probably should have
 finished my 'dew before posting this morning.  Forget the sharing of
 objects for the moment.  For the purpose of building various
 dialogs/forms/etc., there doesn't appear to be any real advantage of
 one over the other to me, which is what brought this up in the first
 place after I discovered one of the problems I'm trying to figure out
 right now.

Ah, thanks for clarifying, Mikey. Although you can use groups to 
simulate dialogs, forms, etc., there are several advantages to 
substacks: 

1) They can be made modal, and thus block access to other areas of the 
program - to do this with groups would take extra coding, and would 
only block access to the same stack on which the group appears - any 
other visible stacks would still be accessible (unless you do 
extra-*extra*-coding).

2) If you have code that takes actions based on looping through 
objects, etc., you'd have to skip over any objects used in a group, 
whereas you wouldn't have to if you used a substack.

3) If you need to use the same form or dialog in multiple stacks, using 
a substack allows you to call the same form/dialog from all places, 
whereas if you used a group, you'd have to copy the group to the other 
stack(s) you were working with.

Now of course, if you're only using a single stack, and have no 
intentions of having other stacks in your project, then some of these 
items no longer apply, but you get the idea...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
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