Re: cross platform drawers
On 17/08/2010, at 3:41 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Monte Goulding wrote: The plugin is well suited to using drawers on OS X to integrate IG settings with the standalone builder interface. I'm just wondering what people think I should do on Windows? Has anyone done drawer emulation and is it worthwhile and appreciated my users? I think you'll find people who will argue both sides of what is or is not appropriate for Windows. From an implementation standpoint (not philosophical), I've only been able to figure out 2 ways of doing a drawer like window: a 2-stack approach, with the front stack being a palette so it always stacks in front a topLevel drawer stack, or a stack with 2 custom windowShapes -- a closed state and an opened state. Hmm... neither of these are options for the ig rev plugin. If you were open to modifying your design, you could build the drawer as a group within your mainStack -- a pane that opens inward from the left edge, instead of outside the mainStack. True, this would temporarily obscure the controls of the mainStack, but it would solve a multitude of challenges that you'll probably face when trying to implement an actual drawer. Hmm.. I can't do that without modifying revStandaloneSettings and that's going to cause maintenance issues. I'll see what it feels like with palettes on windows but I may need to come up with a plan b... Cheers Monte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Sorry chaps: couldn't resist it; but Cross platform drawers sounds like something from Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Personally, for all my RunRev needs I use a THONG . . . :) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Recently, Monte Goulding wrote: If you were open to modifying your design, you could build the drawer as a group within your mainStack -- a pane that opens inward from the left edge, instead of outside the mainStack. True, this would temporarily obscure the controls of the mainStack, but it would solve a multitude of challenges that you'll probably face when trying to implement an actual drawer. Hmm.. I can't do that without modifying revStandaloneSettings and that's going to cause maintenance issues. I'll see what it feels like with palettes on windows but I may need to come up with a plan b... Monte, I took a closer look at your screenshot and it seems you're tacking on to the existing standalone builder (I thought at first it was your own creation). If you're not handling the mainStack in your design, then probably none of my suggestions apply. Maybe a drawer type approach isn't even necessary -- perhaps just a separate add-on window that knows about the standalone builder would suffice. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Monte, I took a closer look at your screenshot and it seems you're tacking on to the existing standalone builder (I thought at first it was your own creation). If you're not handling the mainStack in your design, then probably none of my suggestions apply. Maybe a drawer type approach isn't even necessary -- perhaps just a separate add-on window that knows about the standalone builder would suffice. Yeah, just having a play with it now. I think it's just as functional with palette's but not as sexy. Just store the topLeft of the stack in the prefs so when it swaps stacks it doesn't jump around and retains loc between sessions and it feels ok. I'll leave the drawers in for os x just so Richmond can keep thinking about Hugo Weaving in drag ;-) Cheers Monte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry chaps: couldn't resist it; but Cross platform drawers sounds like something from Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Personally, for all my RunRev needs I use a THONG . . . :) ...nor could I resist the urge: http://www.docstoolchest.com/dual_bootys.jpg Best regards, David C. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Monte Goulding wrote: I'll see what it feels like with palettes on windows but I may need to come up with a plan b... You may find a disclosure triangle a suitable Plan B. They're still recommended in the Mac HIG, and in the HIGs for Win and Gnome too. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Rev training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com revJournal blog: http://revjournal.com/blog.irv ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
On Mon Aug, 2010, Monte Goulding monte at sweattechnologies.com wrote: Hi I'm working on InstallGadget 2 and an InstallGadget plugin for rev. The plugin is well suited to using drawers on OS X to integrate IG settings with the standalone builder interface. I'm just wondering what people think I should do on Windows? Has anyone done drawer emulation and is it worthwhile and appreciated my users? Check out InstallGadget 2 the plugin on Facebook and you will see what I mean about the drawers ;-) Cheers Monte I do not know if you could use an old stack of mine for your Install Gadget, but it is indeed a drawer emulation for all platforms: http://www.sanke.org/Software/Drawers.zip The stack demonstrates the use of drawers without using the new drawer command introduced in Revolution 2.1.2. Therefore these forms of drawers can be implemented also with older versions of Metacard and Revolution and on any platform. Drawers can slide out and back at any point of the rectangle of the main stack and even in diagonal directions. From the information pane of the stack itself: Using and modifying the scripts of the drawer-buttons you can create any number of drawer stacks that can slide out in any direction. 1. Set the starting point of the drawer to any point of the sides of the drawerbase. 2. Define the direction of the drawer movement in the repeat loop 3. Modify the respective close buttons Drawers can be created for any platform and with Rev or Metacard versions lower than 2.1 or 2.5 as these examples do *not* use the new drawer command available at present - August 2003 - only in version 2.1 of Revolution (2.5.1B3 of Metacard) and only for MacOS X. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Hi Wilhelm That looks good but I think I'm settled now on just using palettes unless on OS X. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Don't know why the facebook link didn't work but here it is if you are interested: http://www.facebook.com/pages/InstallGadget/140038149354105 On 17/08/2010, at 1:40 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: Hi I'm working on InstallGadget 2 and an InstallGadget plugin for rev. The plugin is well suited to using drawers on OS X to integrate IG settings with the standalone builder interface. I'm just wondering what people think I should do on Windows? Has anyone done drawer emulation and is it worthwhile and appreciated my users? Check out InstallGadget 2 the plugin on Facebook and you will see what I mean about the drawers ;-) Cheers Monte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: cross platform drawers
From: Monte Goulding Don't know why the facebook link didn't work but here it is if you are interested: http://www.facebook.com/pages/InstallGadget/140038149354105 So drawers are sub-panes that stick out to the side of the main window, the way Nvidia driver settings appear in Windows display properties? -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:pdero...@ix.netcom.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
On 17/08/2010, at 2:54 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote: From: Monte Goulding Don't know why the facebook link didn't work but here it is if you are interested: http://www.facebook.com/pages/InstallGadget/140038149354105 So drawers are sub-panes that stick out to the side of the main window, the way Nvidia driver settings appear in Windows display properties? Well, I'm not sure about the driver settings on windows but that sounds about right. There's a screenshot of my plugin in a drawer next to the rev standalone settings stack on the facebook page if you want to have a look. Cheers Monte___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: cross platform drawers
Recently, Monte Goulding wrote: The plugin is well suited to using drawers on OS X to integrate IG settings with the standalone builder interface. I'm just wondering what people think I should do on Windows? Has anyone done drawer emulation and is it worthwhile and appreciated my users? I think you'll find people who will argue both sides of what is or is not appropriate for Windows. From an implementation standpoint (not philosophical), I've only been able to figure out 2 ways of doing a drawer like window: a 2-stack approach, with the front stack being a palette so it always stacks in front a topLevel drawer stack, or a stack with 2 custom windowShapes -- a closed state and an opened state. Neither of these options lends it self easily to Windows because Windows only lists topStacks with default decorations in the Taskbar. If you're willing to jump through some hoops, you can workaround this limitation, but it does take some work. If you were open to modifying your design, you could build the drawer as a group within your mainStack -- a pane that opens inward from the left edge, instead of outside the mainStack. True, this would temporarily obscure the controls of the mainStack, but it would solve a multitude of challenges that you'll probably face when trying to implement an actual drawer. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
