Re: the siglum key ???
On 10/30/2010 04:42 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: This might be useful, or discouraging. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2841 Obviously designed for chaps with better eyesight than mine. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
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Re: the siglum key ???
On 30 Oct 2010, at 09:34, Richmond wrote: > Err . . . anybody know a way, within LiveCode/RunRev to detect an end-user's > physical keyboard? I am someone who uses and analyses a lot of games, where keyboard features are often mapped to position instead of char-output. Basically the answer to your question is no. Sure, there are ways to find out some information about the layout, but keybord layouts are not normed in any way beyond "thats how they always did it". A simple example is the difference of an older swiss-german mac layout versus an american layout (those being the two i have here right now): for swiss layout vs us layout: the row that starts with q has one more key at the rightmost position the row that starts with a has one less key at the rightmost position the row that starts with z doesn't start with z, it starts with <, and then continues with y (y and z are always switched in german layouts vs us layouts). The return key is not a double key in width, but instead a double height (with some adjustment to width because the rows are shifted slightly compared to each other, producing a hook-looking key) Instead of a second alt key to the right of the spacebar, there's a return key on my ibook (newer macs don't have that anymore) Obviously a lot of chars are mixed and moved around, for example shift- and then the numbers at the top (from 1 to 0): swiss german: +"*ç%&/()= usa: !...@#$%^&*() now, on my windows pc (swiss german layout), there's an alt-gr key to the right of the spacebar, which allows the typing of funny chars like |,€,¢, etc. there's also a windows and a menu key, which macs won't ever have (they have the command key instead). And that's only comparing three keyboards that I have here. If you want to catalogue all keyboard layouts of the world, I'm sure you could sell big buck licenses to all the game developers who do this stuff on a far less sophisticated ground: Every user can adjust his preferred layout nilly willy, and only the most often seen ones are (maybe) build in. And then there's dvorak. For example Starcraft 2, one of the biggest budget games of the year, has fixed layouts to reduce cheating vectors. these layouts are always bugged for a certain percent of the community, and the answer to those is: memorise or lose the game. -- official ChatRev page: http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"; ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
Le 30 oct. 2010 à 13:28, Jacques Hausser a écrit :
> delete char (offset("—",-1)) of tKeyboard
sorry, it should be: delete char (offset("—",tKeyboard)) to -1 of tKeyboard
J.
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Re: the siglum key ???
Le 30 oct. 2010 à 09:34, Richmond a écrit :
> Ugh; Apple, not content with hiding the # key from people on the East side of
> the Atlantic
> have also been playing "silly buggers" with the physical layout of keyboards:
>
> For instance:
>
> My non-American (this includes my English & Arabic Mac keyboard) keyboards
> have a
> siglum key in the top-left corner = rawKeyDown 0, and American keyboards have
> a
> "funny apostrophe" key in the same place = rawKeyDown 96. rawKeyDown 96 on
> the non-American keyboards is snuggled down left of the Z key.
>
> For virtual keyboard people (like myself) working with LiveCode this is
> a right pox as, frankly, the thought of trying to set up some sort of keyboard
> detection routine followed by a "dance of the vampires" sort of arrangement
> whereby various buttons would merrily shift their position depending on the
> keyboard
> layout gives me the willies . . .
>
> Err . . . anybody know a way, within LiveCode/RunRev to detect an end-user's
> physical keyboard?
THAT's a really good question ! Not sure my answer is the best one:
if you
put URL "file:/library/preferences/com.apple.HIToolbox.plist" into tKeyboard
the variable tKeyboard will contain something like:
bplist00fl
"#$%&+-./_AppleNumberResID_AppleItlbNumber_ApplePreviousInputSource]AppleItlbKeys]Keyboard
Menu_AppleSelectedInputSources^AppleDateResID_ AppleCurrentAsciiInputSource_'AppleCurrentKeyboardLayoutInputSourceID]AppleItlbDate_AppleEnabledInputSources_AppleInputSourceHistory_AppleKeyboardScript_AppleCurrentInputSource_ AppleDefaultAsciiInputSource^AppleTimeResID—WsmRoman—?ˇ”_InputSourceKind_KeyboardLayout
Name_KeyboardLayout ID_Keyboard Layout\Swiss French—— Vkcfg
0Ot W fl W ‡ G P
I \ ?¨ ?≠ ?Ø ?Æ °!”—”_ com.apple.keylayout.SwissFrench—¢'*”()VFrench”°,”””— + > P k y á £ ≤ — ˚
$>Tnçúüß©¨Ø∂»fiÚ ïóû°®
Õ–◊fi‡ÁȘ˛ 0
you can drop the unnnecessary things by
delete char 1 to (offset("apple.keyLayout.",tKeyboard) of tKeyboard
delete char (offset("—",-1)) of tKeyboard
... and tKeyboard should contain "SwissFrench" (on my Mac, at least)
I'm to lazy to check what mean the remaining stuff; perhaps something useful...
>
> --
>
> Francophones get a free "word study" exercise with most of my postings . . .
> :)
>
> NOW; in your livres vocabulaires, s'il vous plait?
>
traduttore tradittore... in the context of your post, I would translate
1. Pox a right pox: une vraie saloperie
2. Willies it gives me the willies: ça me fiche les jetons
3. Silly Buggersbougres de cinglés (bougre - and bugger) originally
means bulgarian, eh, eh...
4. Snuggle down camouflé sous
and may you all curse me for the hoofdpijn . . . :) I'm giving up !
>
>
> Happy Saturday, Richmond.
et bon dimanche, Jacques
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Re: the siglum key ???
Ugh; Apple, not content with hiding the # key from people on the East side of the Atlantic have also been playing "silly buggers" with the physical layout of keyboards: For instance: My non-American (this includes my English & Arabic Mac keyboard) keyboards have a siglum key in the top-left corner = rawKeyDown 0, and American keyboards have a "funny apostrophe" key in the same place = rawKeyDown 96. rawKeyDown 96 on the non-American keyboards is snuggled down left of the Z key. For virtual keyboard people (like myself) working with LiveCode this is a right pox as, frankly, the thought of trying to set up some sort of keyboard detection routine followed by a "dance of the vampires" sort of arrangement whereby various buttons would merrily shift their position depending on the keyboard layout gives me the willies . . . Err . . . anybody know a way, within LiveCode/RunRev to detect an end-user's physical keyboard? -- Francophones get a free "word study" exercise with most of my postings . . . :) NOW; in your livres vocabulaires, s'il vous plait? 1. Pox 2. Willies 3. Silly Buggers 4. Snuggle down and may you all curse me for the hoofdpijn . . . :) Happy Saturday, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#QWERTY The siglum at topleft seems to be found in Scandinavian countries and in Holland, at least in the QWERTY layout. The british version at least in this article, doesn't have any siglum key at all (must be an alt/option-key combination). I never realized how much variation there is in these things. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Oct 29, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Jim Sims wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I've never seen it that way. All my Mac keyboards have a tilde in that position. International differences, maybe? Yup, my UK English has the siglum and a plus/minus in the upper left corner. There are UK, American, Universal (I think that's the name) English keyboard versions. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
On Oct 29, 2010, at 6:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I've never seen it that way. All my Mac keyboards have a tilde in that > position. International differences, maybe? Yup, my UK English has the siglum and a plus/minus in the upper left corner. There are UK, American, Universal (I think that's the name) English keyboard versions. sims ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
On 10/29/2010 07:31 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 10/29/10 10:59 AM, Richmond wrote: Very funny; all the Mac keyboards I have have the siglum key in the top-left corner. I've never seen it that way. All my Mac keyboards have a tilde in that position. International differences, maybe? http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/Siglum.png ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
On 10/29/10 10:59 AM, Richmond wrote: Very funny; all the Mac keyboards I have have the siglum key in the top-left corner. I've never seen it that way. All my Mac keyboards have a tilde in that position. International differences, maybe? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
Hmmm. Must be a European thing? Craig In a message dated 10/29/10 11:59:15 AM, richmondmathew...@gmail.com writes: > Very funny; all the Mac keyboards I have have the siglum key in the > top-left corner. > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
On 10/29/2010 04:41 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond. On Mac keyboards? I have a tilde and a sort of mini backSlash (ASCII 57) Like everyone else. But I see what you meant, your odd char is used to reference or annotate secondary sources in a text. It is a sigla, part of a siglum. How much do you want for that keyboard? Craig ___ Very funny; all the Mac keyboards I have have the siglum key in the top-left corner. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The siglum key explained.
Richmond. On Mac keyboards? I have a tilde and a sort of mini backSlash (ASCII 57) Like everyone else. But I see what you meant, your odd char is used to reference or annotate secondary sources in a text. It is a sigla, part of a siglum. How much do you want for that keyboard? Craig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
Richmond. In a blank card script (so no other offending traps) I have: on rawkeydown var if var = 96 then put "tilde" else if var = 113 then put "Q" pass rawKeyDown end rawkeydown Works fine. Can you say what is different, in concept to how you are doing it? Or could there be something else insinuating itself into the works? And what is the story with "siglum? Craig ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
*slaps forehead* I need to learn to read. However, have you done something as simple as on rawKeyDown theKey put theKey end rawKeyDown to see what code is actually being sent? If you aren't going for a specific key other than the one in the upper left of the keyboard, and keyboards differ, I've no clue how one would go about determining the keycode for that key position other than maybe asking the user to push it once during setup to capture the code. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 10/28/2010 10:22 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: > >> I put this in a button script: >> on mouseUp >>put any item of "random,Silly,Phrase" into field 1 >> end mouseUp >> >> And this in the cardscript: >> on keydown theKey >>if theKey is "`" then >> send "mouseup" to button 1 >>else >> pass KeyDown >>end if >> end keydown >> >> It works for me, so not sure whats up on your end. >> > > What is "up on" my end is that I don't want to refer to "`" or siglum, but > to > rawKeyDown 0, as a very large number of my end-users use non-QWERTY > keyboards, > or, at least, non-QWERTY keyboard layouts. > > > >> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richmond> >wrote: >> >> [Hope this subject line doesn't throw a 'bluey'] >>> >>> If I have a button that contains something like this: >>> >>> on mouseUp >>> put "silly phrase" into fld "XXX" >>> end mouseUp >>> >>> it works . . . >>> >>> Now if I set up a card script so that when I hit the 'Q' key on my >>> keyboard >>> a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, it works. >>> >>> HOWEVER >>> >>> If I set up a card script so that when I hit the SIGLUM key [Top-Left; >>> next >>> to '1'] >>> a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, I get a SIGLUM in my field, >>> not "silly phrase". >>> >>> This is a bl**dy nuisance; any ideas WHY and HOW to circumvent this >>> problem? >>> >>> sincerely, Richmond. >>> ___ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> ___ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
On 10/28/2010 10:22 PM, Mike Bonner wrote: I put this in a button script: on mouseUp put any item of "random,Silly,Phrase" into field 1 end mouseUp And this in the cardscript: on keydown theKey if theKey is "`" then send "mouseup" to button 1 else pass KeyDown end if end keydown It works for me, so not sure whats up on your end. What is "up on" my end is that I don't want to refer to "`" or siglum, but to rawKeyDown 0, as a very large number of my end-users use non-QWERTY keyboards, or, at least, non-QWERTY keyboard layouts. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richmondwrote: [Hope this subject line doesn't throw a 'bluey'] If I have a button that contains something like this: on mouseUp put "silly phrase" into fld "XXX" end mouseUp it works . . . Now if I set up a card script so that when I hit the 'Q' key on my keyboard a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, it works. HOWEVER If I set up a card script so that when I hit the SIGLUM key [Top-Left; next to '1'] a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, I get a SIGLUM in my field, not "silly phrase". This is a bl**dy nuisance; any ideas WHY and HOW to circumvent this problem? sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the siglum key ???
I put this in a button script: on mouseUp put any item of "random,Silly,Phrase" into field 1 end mouseUp And this in the cardscript: on keydown theKey if theKey is "`" then send "mouseup" to button 1 else pass KeyDown end if end keydown It works for me, so not sure whats up on your end. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Richmond wrote: > [Hope this subject line doesn't throw a 'bluey'] > > If I have a button that contains something like this: > > on mouseUp > put "silly phrase" into fld "XXX" > end mouseUp > > it works . . . > > Now if I set up a card script so that when I hit the 'Q' key on my keyboard > a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, it works. > > HOWEVER > > If I set up a card script so that when I hit the SIGLUM key [Top-Left; next > to '1'] > a "mouseUp" is sent to my button, I get a SIGLUM in my field, > not "silly phrase". > > This is a bl**dy nuisance; any ideas WHY and HOW to circumvent this > problem? > > sincerely, Richmond. > ___ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
