Re: Searching Data in Custom Properties
zack wrote: Well I am really just trying to get my head around the possibilities. I am very used to FileMaker Pro (and SQL dbs). In these environments you normally start with the data and build an interface to use it. It is almost always with large data sets where searching will be one of the primary activities. The data and how it stored is never really an issue. It's in tables. Rev offers so much more, but I find myself a bit lost because I am not used to having to design a storage system for data. What I always took for granted isn't there anymore. I realize that this is part of the power of Rev you can do it in anyway that seems best. BUT this is exactly my problem. I don't feel I know enough yet to know what seems best. I relate to data in terms of RDBMS. I see table and columns and primary keys. That is just what I am used to. In the last few years XML has become important but still mostly as middle layer not the storage layer. At least to me. So now I want to move on to a more flexible tool, but with more power comes more responsibility! So I have to adjust. or just go by altSQLite and be done with it :) altSQLite looks like a fine tool. If it fits the model you're used to you can always dive in and get going with that, and pick up any other Transcript tricks you can use along the way. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Searching Data in Custom Properties
Hello, I am newbie to RunRev. I have been developing databases using other tools for about 10 years. I am trying to get my head around this idea of storing data in custom properties. I have read Richard Gaskin's post on the subject and I am begining top get my head around setting the data into custom props and getting it out when you now where a particular piece of data is. But how do you search for a string that maybe in a custom property? Or if you need searching is it time to move to a RDBMS. I am quite comfortable with that if that is what is required, but I just don't know. tia zack ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Searching Data in Custom Properties
Zack. Unless I'm mistaken -- always a distinct possibility -- find commands work only in fields, not in any other kind of container or in custom properties. On Jun 13, 2005, at 7:42 PM, zack wrote: Hello, I am newbie to RunRev. I have been developing databases using other tools for about 10 years. I am trying to get my head around this idea of storing data in custom properties. I have read Richard Gaskin's post on the subject and I am begining top get my head around setting the data into custom props and getting it out when you now where a particular piece of data is. But how do you search for a string that maybe in a custom property? Or if you need searching is it time to move to a RDBMS. I am quite comfortable with that if that is what is required, but I just don't know. tia zack ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Searching Data in Custom Properties
zack wrote: Hello, I am newbie to RunRev. I have been developing databases using other tools for about 10 years. I am trying to get my head around this idea of storing data in custom properties. I have read Richard Gaskin's post on the subject and I am begining top get my head around setting the data into custom props and getting it out when you now where a particular piece of data is. But how do you search for a string that maybe in a custom property? Or if you need searching is it time to move to a RDBMS. I am quite comfortable with that if that is what is required, but I just don't know. As with so many things in computing, the answer is depends. :) There are many things an RDBMS can be good for, and searching is definitely among them. But there are also very flexible things that can be done with native Transcript too. You can structure data in a wide variety of ways to get what you need. In an application I've been working on I need multiple tables of data that are rarely directly related, but in which searching and sorting had to be efficient. I found that by using simple tab-delimited data stored in properties I was able to get a good mix of what I need from native Transcript, using functions like offset, lineoffset, filter, and sort. In some cases I use the keys for these properties as an index, and with multiple property sets it's easy to use the same key into different collections of data. For example, we have one tab-delimited table which has data that the user can annotate, and we store the annotations separately because we do a lot of operations on the annotations only. By using the same key for the current collection and the user's annotation about the collection I get to what I need quickly and easily: put the uMainDataA[myKey] of stack data into tMyData put the uAnnotations[myKey] of stack data into tMyAnno So you may find that using a DMBS is a good move, but you may also find that you can get what you need in native Transcript. What type of data are you working with, and what do you need to do with it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation __ Rev tools and more: http://www.fourthworld.com/rev ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Searching Data in Custom Properties
On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What type of data are you working with, and what do you need to do with it? Well I am really just trying to get my head around the possibilities. I am very used to FileMaker Pro (and SQL dbs). In these environments you normally start with the data and build an interface to use it. It is almost always with large data sets where searching will be one of the primary activities. The data and how it stored is never really an issue. It's in tables. Rev offers so much more, but I find myself a bit lost because I am not used to having to design a storage system for data. What I always took for granted isn't there anymore. I realize that this is part of the power of Rev you can do it in anyway that seems best. BUT this is exactly my problem. I don't feel I know enough yet to know what seems best. I relate to data in terms of RDBMS. I see table and columns and primary keys. That is just what I am used to. In the last few years XML has become important but still mostly as middle layer not the storage layer. At least to me. So now I want to move on to a more flexible tool, but with more power comes more responsibility! So I have to adjust. or just go by altSQLite and be done with it :) Thanks zack ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
