Re: Shared menus

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 5:53 PM +0200 10/6/2005, Paul Claude wrote:

I need, as for ABDialer or Jon's Phone Tool, to make a menu available from
any app with the possibility to make a phone call, choosing an address, etc.


There is no way currently to do this in Rev; you would need a 
low-level compiler.


Perhaps a system window would do? This is a type of palette that 
floats above all applications, so it's always in front.

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Shared menus

[Paul Claude]

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Dude, don't get me started.
> 
> While I have apps written for Win95 that continue to run without
> difficulty in Microsoft's latest OS, on Mac we've had to port from 68k
> to PPC, and then from Classic to OS X, and even now stuff break between
> releases of OS X.

You have reason, but it must consider also that XP is only little different
from Windows 98, while Classic and MacOsX are example of a core and GUI real
progress.

However, if someone knows a workaround in order to realize a shared menu, it
will be the welcome.


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Re: Shared menus

[Richard Gaskin]

Chipp Walters wrote:

Richard Gaskin wrote:

I feel bad for their ROI: the API is considered "for Apple use and 
subject to change", which often translates to "your stuff will break 
with our next release."



Heck, if they were ONLY THAT NICE at Apple! They routinely break stuff 
with their next release with no warning at all-- hence the multiple 
changes to altBrowser. In fact, most of the time, it's their stuff which 
is broken.


Dude, don't get me started.

While I have apps written for Win95 that continue to run without 
difficulty in Microsoft's latest OS, on Mac we've had to port from 68k 
to PPC, and then from Classic to OS X, and even now stuff break between 
releases of OS X.


The latest of these affecting my work is:


Mark Waddingham is on top of that, in touch with Apple engineers to see 
when they'll fix that bug apparently introduced in QT 7.0, or if they 
have a workaround for it.  In the meantime we're in the process of 
redesigning our app to work around Apple's bug.


And then there was "GURLGURL", and Apple's requirement that all 
developers write their own custom filter proc to provide NavServices 
glue which could have been done once in the OS, and the issues you've 
encountered with their web rendering, and


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Re: Shared menus

[Richard Gaskin]

Paul Claude wrote:

I need, as for ABDialer or Jon's Phone Tool, to make a menu available from
any app with the possibility to make a phone call, choosing an address, etc.


Apple's recommended solution is to use Dock menus.  I agree it's less 
useful, but I'm just passing on what they recommend (please don't shoot 
the messenger ).


Any of you have an external for that?
Is there a Bugzilla request to provide that?
Can it be done with some combination of AppleScript/plist stuff?

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Re: Shared menus

[Chipp Walters]

Richard Gaskin wrote:

I feel bad for their ROI: the API is considered "for Apple use and 
subject to change", which often translates to "your stuff will break 
with our next release."


Heck, if they were ONLY THAT NICE at Apple! They routinely break stuff 
with their next release with no warning at all-- hence the multiple 
changes to altBrowser. In fact, most of the time, it's their stuff which 
is broken.


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Shared menus

[Paul Claude]

I need, as for ABDialer or Jon's Phone Tool, to make a menu available from
any app with the possibility to make a phone call, choosing an address, etc.


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Re: Shared menus

[Richard Gaskin]

Paul Claude wrote:

Thanks Richard, but you surely know that many non-apple appications override
this rules, directly or through the Shared Menus Enhancer or the haxies by
Unsanity; I have in my menu bar iKey, Metereologist, MenuCalendarClock,
ABDialer, MainMenu, and there are many othe similar apps.


I feel bad for their ROI: the API is considered "for Apple use and 
subject to change", which often translates to "your stuff will break 
with our next release."


While I agree that it would be useful for Apple to open that up to 
developers, as it is there's an argument for honoring their request to 
support a more consistent user experience.



There is a way to use this also through Revolution?


Not that I know of.

What do you need to do?

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Shared menus

[Paul Claude]

Thanks Richard, but you surely know that many non-apple appications override
this rules, directly or through the Shared Menus Enhancer or the haxies by
Unsanity; I have in my menu bar iKey, Metereologist, MenuCalendarClock,
ABDialer, MainMenu, and there are many othe similar apps.

There is a way to use this also through Revolution?


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Re: Shared menus

[Richard Gaskin]

Paul Claude wrote:

Is there anybody who knows if Revolution may create shared menus (the menus
that appears on the right side of the menubar and are available from any
application)?


The Apple HIG reserves those for OS use:

  Menu Bar Extras

  Reserved for use by Apple, the right side of the menu bar may
  contain items that provide feedback on and access to certain
  hardware or network settings. Menu bar extras display some type
  of status in the menu bar and have a menu to change settings.
  The icon for the battery strength indicator, for example,
  dynamically displays the current state of the battery for a
  portable computer, and the menu has common battery settings.
  Users can display or hide a menu bar extra in the appropriate
  preferences pane.

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/chapter_16_section_4.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP3356-CHDFJEAC>

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Shared menus

[Paul Claude]

Is there anybody who knows if Revolution may create shared menus (the menus
that appears on the right side of the menubar and are available from any
application)?


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