Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Tom, Dan: Yes, of course one can set this all up manually. Keynote just seems to use apple internal ability to know all this stuff, which Revolution may not be able to access. I work all day with my 17 G4 powerbook plugged into a 21 cinema display, with the external Cinema display monitor set to be the main monitor. So, presumably if the presentor knows his variables ahead of time you can just write the scripts to drive the windows into the correct rects. e.g. right now on my cinema display an open stack can be set to the screenloc and obviously, centers itself... If I open another stack at: -1430,63,-443,604 it will appear on the on-board monitor of the powerbook itself, which is set to be the second monitor and arranged in the display panel of sys prefs to be on the left of external monitor. Of course, this is all very doable by hand, but, as we say in Hawaii very hokey! i.e. a fiddle-dee-dee work around. What one wants (obviously) is for Rev to be able to read all this these system parameters-variables, screen positions-rects in advance of the stack opening. the screenrect gets you monitor 1... so a bit of math could get you the center of the project screen which should default to monitor two on the right... .. e.g. the horizontal center of monitor 2 for the projector 800X600 would should be (item 3 of the screenrect+400)... So, yes, doable, but hokey Sivakatirswami On May 2, 2005, at 4:01 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Dan, That is of course if the alt monitor is at 0,0. We would need to determine where the second monitor is located at. I will look into the new Keynote as to wether it auto detects or not. I can't remember. I will also check my kids iBook. I use a PowerBook G4 15. Tom On May 2, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Dan Soneson wrote: Tom, You're right, of course. You do need to turn mirror imaging 'OFF' prior to running the show, using the system preferences panel. Does the new KeyNote dynamically detect the setting and turn mirror imaging off? What does it do with an iBook where you can't turn mirror imaging off? Rev will allow you to set the coordinates of the screen stack. For example, if the projector monitor is to the left of the main screen, then set the topRight of stack screenStack to 0,0 ought to display it just fine. If you cannot set mirror imaging off, perhaps you could have a button on the control stack that sets the topLeft of the display stack to 0,0. You would lose the control stack's features, unfortunately, but you could still display the presentation. Dan Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Sivakatirswami Here's what you can do: You need to have a computer that can support a second monitor as an extension of the computer's monitor. On the mac side, only the professional line (PowerBook, G5 tower) has this function built in. You cannot make this work with an iBook, an eMac or an iMac AFAIK. On the Windows platform, most laptops now have this functionality. You set the monitor size and location of the extended screen in the display pane of the system preferences panel on Mac OSX, and in the display settings utility in Windows. Create two stacks, one for the user's computer and one for the projector. Set the location of the projector stack to the location of the second monitor You then control the projector stack from the computer monitor stack. You could set up notes for each screen of the presentation, perhaps a thumbnail image of what is being projected, and navigation buttons to go to the next or previous screens. You could have each card in the display stack correspond to a specific card in the control stack. Then in your next button, for example, have two lines: on mouseUp go next cd go next cd of stack display Stack end mouseUp Unfortunately, you need access to a second monitor or projector when developing the stack, or a nice large cinema display in order to see both stacks at once. HTH Dan Oops I think I actually forgot to ask my question: How do you do this in Revolution: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. From the docs: If the system has more than one monitor, the screenLoc function returns the rectangle of the main screen. AND: Use the screenName function to control where applications that Revolution starts up should appear. Comments: On Unix systems, the screenName function returns the string provided by the XDisplayName function call. When starting a process with the open process command or the shell function, if you want the process to appear on the same screen as Revolution, use the value returned by the screenName as the argument to the -d option. This function does not return a useful value on Mac OS and Windows systems. Tom On May 2, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Dan Soneson wrote: Sivakatirswami Here's what you can do: You need to have a computer that can support a second monitor as an extension of the computer's monitor. On the mac side, only the professional line (PowerBook, G5 tower) has this function built in. You cannot make this work with an iBook, an eMac or an iMac AFAIK. On the Windows platform, most laptops now have this functionality. You set the monitor size and location of the extended screen in the display pane of the system preferences panel on Mac OSX, and in the display settings utility in Windows. Create two stacks, one for the user's computer and one for the projector. Set the location of the projector stack to the location of the second monitor You then control the projector stack from the computer monitor stack. You could set up notes for each screen of the presentation, perhaps a thumbnail image of what is being projected, and navigation buttons to go to the next or previous screens. You could have each card in the display stack correspond to a specific card in the control stack. Then in your next button, for example, have two lines: on mouseUp go next cd go next cd of stack display Stack end mouseUp Unfortunately, you need access to a second monitor or projector when developing the stack, or a nice large cinema display in order to see both stacks at once. HTH Dan Oops I think I actually forgot to ask my question: How do you do this in Revolution: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Dan, That is of course if the alt monitor is at 0,0. We would need to determine where the second monitor is located at. I will look into the new Keynote as to wether it auto detects or not. I can't remember. I will also check my kids iBook. I use a PowerBook G4 15. Tom On May 2, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Dan Soneson wrote: Tom, You're right, of course. You do need to turn mirror imaging 'OFF' prior to running the show, using the system preferences panel. Does the new KeyNote dynamically detect the setting and turn mirror imaging off? What does it do with an iBook where you can't turn mirror imaging off? Rev will allow you to set the coordinates of the screen stack. For example, if the projector monitor is to the left of the main screen, then set the topRight of stack screenStack to 0,0 ought to display it just fine. If you cannot set mirror imaging off, perhaps you could have a button on the control stack that sets the topLeft of the display stack to 0,0. You would lose the control stack's features, unfortunately, but you could still display the presentation. Dan Dan, Sivakatirswami, This approach assumes you have mirror imaging 'OFF' in order to have two distinct screen areas. I don't know how (applescript, do process, shell) to do this. Or how to detect this to not get errors. Something like If the system has two monitors (?) then turn off 'video mirroring' then do 'split screen' and set this window to main screen and send that window to alt screen'. I don't see where knowing these things is within REVs builtin capabilities. Daniel B. Soneson Director, Language Lab Southern CT State University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Split screen output for Presentations
Apple's new Keynote has an interesting new feature: It can make 2 separate windows! Wow! (grin) Ok, yes, REv can do that and a lot more though Rev's Graphic options are still a bit stone age compared to what iWorks offers now. [aside: humbly suggest that for Rev to move forward, that the back end of the engine for applications development is already ramped up enough (for the time being), and and a new focus on graphics Dev both in the IDE and for delivery is needed to keep Rev on the Cutting Edge of the Future, especially now that Adobe has bought Macro Media. I know, I know, we don't want the core of the executable to get so bloated that delivery of a little widget application weighs in at 5-6 megabytes, so, ala Richard's earlier musings, some modularity option may be needed.]] OK that said, I do have a specific question: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Thomas (McGr...) you do this stuff all the time right? Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Sivakatirswami, Yes Keynote can split the output but only during full screen mode. There is a preference under Preferences/ Presenter Display that has a check box for Use alternate display to view presenter information with some neat options for a timer/clock etc.. You can also preview what the second window looks like if you don't have a projector hooked up, by a button that says 'Edit Presenter Layout... otherwise you don't get to see the second window until full screen mode. Also, I don't remember for sure but I think you have to turn Video Mirroring off? - not 100% sure though. The thing that distinguishes Keynote from PowerPoint is that it has much richer graphics and video support. It also has better interaction using text and graphics for navigating. ( I was able to prototype a game that played in Keynote that could not be done in PP.) The other thing Keynote has is XML which will/should open some doors for other apps that might have even better tools to do something with the Keynote presentations. I also agree that graphics support and graphic specific tools should be high on the list for the next improvements to REV. I would like to fill some of the 'holes' left behind during the transition from MM to Adobe for Director. I am sure once Adobe merges them DIrector might get better but for now there will be a nervous gap with people looking else where 'just in case' Director is dropped. Even if it isn't dropped I can at least exploit some of these issues. Especially since a lot of people use Director/Flash for software development that it is not the best tool for and can actually make some projects obsolete. It would not take much of an argument to persuade these people to switch or at least try an xTalk for. Tom On May 1, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Apple's new Keynote has an interesting new feature: It can make 2 separate windows! Wow! (grin) Ok, yes, REv can do that and a lot more though Rev's Graphic options are still a bit stone age compared to what iWorks offers now. [aside: humbly suggest that for Rev to move forward, that the back end of the engine for applications development is already ramped up enough (for the time being), and and a new focus on graphics Dev both in the IDE and for delivery is needed to keep Rev on the Cutting Edge of the Future, especially now that Adobe has bought Macro Media. I know, I know, we don't want the core of the executable to get so bloated that delivery of a little widget application weighs in at 5-6 megabytes, so, ala Richard's earlier musings, some modularity option may be needed.]] OK that said, I do have a specific question: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Thomas (McGr...) you do this stuff all the time right? Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Maybe RR should consider a generous and widely publicized sidegrade deal for current owners of Director who are nervous. I've seen such campaigns pull in huge sales. On May 1, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Especially since a lot of people use Director/Flash for software development that it is not the best tool for and can actually make some projects obsolete. It would not take much of an argument to persuade these people to switch or at least try an xTalk for. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Dan, I agree especially since we are talking about Director and not so much about Flash. A sidegrade targeted to the making a standalone application side versus the making an animation side which can and will be taken up by Flash. The high selling point is that the move over does away with the need for a projector side and yet, Dreamcard might be the key too. You know, come over to Rev in Dreamcard and you can provide a player/projector (a concept they are already familiar with) and then when you need to you can step up to REV for self contained standalones. Good thoughts, Tom On May 1, 2005, at 6:53 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Maybe RR should consider a generous and widely publicized sidegrade deal for current owners of Director who are nervous. I've seen such campaigns pull in huge sales. On May 1, 2005, at 1:45 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Especially since a lot of people use Director/Flash for software development that it is not the best tool for and can actually make some projects obsolete. It would not take much of an argument to persuade these people to switch or at least try an xTalk for. ~~ Dan Shafer, Co-Chair RevConWest '05 June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Split screen output for Presentations
Oops I think I actually forgot to ask my question: How do you do this in Revolution: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. ?? Sivakatirswami On May 1, 2005, at 10:45 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Sivakatirswami, Yes Keynote can split the output but only during full screen mode. There is a preference under Preferences/ Presenter Display that has a check box for Use alternate display to view presenter information with some neat options for a timer/clock etc.. You can also preview what the second window looks like if you don't have a projector hooked up, by a button that says 'Edit Presenter Layout... otherwise you don't get to see the second window until full screen mode. Also, I don't remember for sure but I think you have to turn Video Mirroring off? - not 100% sure though. The thing that distinguishes Keynote from PowerPoint is that it has much richer graphics and video support. It also has better interaction using text and graphics for navigating. ( I was able to prototype a game that played in Keynote that could not be done in PP.) The other thing Keynote has is XML which will/should open some doors for other apps that might have even better tools to do something with the Keynote presentations. I also agree that graphics support and graphic specific tools should be high on the list for the next improvements to REV. I would like to fill some of the 'holes' left behind during the transition from MM to Adobe for Director. I am sure once Adobe merges them DIrector might get better but for now there will be a nervous gap with people looking else where 'just in case' Director is dropped. Even if it isn't dropped I can at least exploit some of these issues. Especially since a lot of people use Director/Flash for software development that it is not the best tool for and can actually make some projects obsolete. It would not take much of an argument to persuade these people to switch or at least try an xTalk for. Tom On May 1, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: Apple's new Keynote has an interesting new feature: It can make 2 separate windows! Wow! (grin) Ok, yes, REv can do that and a lot more though Rev's Graphic options are still a bit stone age compared to what iWorks offers now. [aside: humbly suggest that for Rev to move forward, that the back end of the engine for applications development is already ramped up enough (for the time being), and and a new focus on graphics Dev both in the IDE and for delivery is needed to keep Rev on the Cutting Edge of the Future, especially now that Adobe has bought Macro Media. I know, I know, we don't want the core of the executable to get so bloated that delivery of a little widget application weighs in at 5-6 megabytes, so, ala Richard's earlier musings, some modularity option may be needed.]] OK that said, I do have a specific question: Keynote can output one window to the channel that goes out to the projector -- video port. i.e. it shows on the screen. and the second window is locked onto the personal PC's LCD screen, where the latter window has notes for the presentor which are not seen by the audience who are watching output to the project -- large display screen in the front of the hall. Thomas (McGr...) you do this stuff all the time right? Sivakatirswami ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
